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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
2019: 19,3% 2014: 15,7% 2009: 14,8% This was the same participation rate in 2017 legislatives at 12:00, so if it follows the same trend the final participation might reach 47-48%. Doesn't sound good for Macron. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5847 Posts
On May 26 2019 01:34 Sent. wrote: Low voter turnout doesn't directly hurt democracy, but entails a risk of all those usually uninterested ignorants coming to polling stations one day and electing someone that promises them whatever they think they want. It's not something bad, it's a sign that something else isn't working correctly. What are you trying to say here? The alternative to low voter turnout is those disinterested people actually voting. How is the risk of it happening bad compared to its actually happening? Also, just because someone has opinions on various matters and is eager to vote, doesn't mean he/she is informed. In my experience, the vast majority of voters are clueless about the more complicated matters that are subject of policy, such as how various institutions work, the economy, education and so on. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9324 Posts
On May 26 2019 19:59 maybenexttime wrote: What are you trying to say here? The alternative to low voter turnout is those disinterested people actually voting. How is the risk of it happening bad compared to its actually happening? Also, just because someone has opinions on various matters and is eager to vote, doesn't mean he/she is informed. In my experience, the vast majority of voters are clueless about the more complicated matters that are subject of policy, such as how various institutions work, the economy, education and so on. I wanted to say it's bad to have a lot of people who rarely vote, that it would be better if they voted regularly or not at all. Consistently high turnouts mean people are interested in politics, so you can expect their choices to be somewhat informed. They don't need to be fully informed (although that is an ideal we should strive toward), I just want them to do the bare minimum of following politics, discussing it with other people, maybe even researching something on their own once in a while. If someone can't bring themselves do that, they should leave the voting to someone who can. I agree that people who are always eager to vote aren't automatically better informed. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12487 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
The 12:00 turnout was the highest ever. The 17:00 turnout is second only to 1994. The numbers at 12:00 showed that FN strongholds and various departments where the yellow vests were strong had a higher turnout than the average. The participation at 17:00 is already higher than the final turnout in 2004, 2009 and 2014. Macron is going to be defeated hard. Final participation should be somewhere between 50 and 52%. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
At the end of the day the lobbies are running the show and the so called "representatives" are just interchangable pawns. | ||
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Yurie
12132 Posts
On May 27 2019 00:20 Pr0wler wrote: The most pointless ellections ever. I didn't vote. I don't know who are Timmermans and Weber and I don't care. As for our representatives - 17 lucky people will earn 20 times the average salary in Bulgaria for doing what their "parties" told them to do. Good for them. I don't think that they will defend Bulgarian interests at all... Some of them even avoid speaking Bulgarian. At the end of the day the lobbies are running the show and the so called "representatives" are just interchangable pawns. Then I have a very different experience here, which is nice. I had 2 parties that was hard to pick between (since both were good) and can do a person vote for that party as well. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
CDU/CSU: 27.9 (-7.4) - Conservatives SPD: 15.6 (-11.7) - Social Democrats Greens: 21.8 (+11.1) Linke: 5.5 (-1.9) - Left AfD: 10.5 (+3.4) - Right FDP: 5.5 (+2.1) - Liberals Other: 13.2 (+4.4) Or in Seats: CDU/CSU: 28 SPD: 16 Green: 22 Linke: 5 AfD: 10 FDP: 5 Die Partei: 3 Freie Wähler: 2 ÖDP: 1 Familie: 1 Volt: 1 Tierschutzpartei: 1 Piraten: 1 Oh, and the biggest winner of the day was: Participation! 59%, up from 48% | ||
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Sent.
Poland9324 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On May 27 2019 01:32 Sent. wrote: You can do exit polls before elections are over in Germany? The election ended at 1800 in Germany. And if you mean, the entire election in Europe is over.... This was often criticized, but so far the ruling in Euope has been, that exit polls can be released in each country, once the election is over there. Only the official results have to wait until the entire thing is over. That's why the Dutch exit polls have been out there in the public since Thursday  | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9236 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On May 27 2019 01:35 Dan HH wrote: Nice to see the Greens so high in Germany, our Greens didn't even get enough signatures to be on the ballot. The greens are way past being a one trick pony, a single issue party, in Germany. Idk if that's the same in Romania? I guess the other (big) parties being rather bland and sometimes indistinguishable as well as lots of infighting during the coalition (conservatives and socialists) did help them. Also being the most stable with regards to their political positions, apart from the one issue right wing parties (whose position has been consistent as it has been shit through and through) surely helped similarly to having a mildly successful, more importantly mostly scandal free and pretty Conservative local government in a rich federal state. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 27 2019 01:38 farvacola wrote: Based on the shakeout of these polling results, is it fair to say that Germany’s political situation is at least marginally more stable than some other EU nations? Those results are promising in the eyes of this far away foreigner. I think that is true. While we certainly are not left out of the rise of populism as you can see by the AfD inreasing a bit further I think Germany is one of the countries where it's the least pronounced. We've voted Merkel in for 16 years so I think it's fair to say a bunch of us are conversative, not in the political sense of the word but in "if it ain't broken" kind of way. I expect it to be more extreme in France and Italy. On the results so far, voted Greens myself, so I'm happy with how things turned out more or less. Obviously AfD getting more votes is a shame but can't have everything. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
46,66% turnout 25 min ago; in 35 min it'll be closed. - there were massive lines of people waiting to vote(it took ~4 hours in London for most of the people); it's blamed on the ruling party(PSD) and seen as badly organized on purpose. thing is, we had another referendum here at the same time; it was more of a constitutional consultation on matters regarding corruption and gov. abilities(through ordinances) to interfere with the justice(~40% turnout). | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Bless voting on Sundays | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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