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On May 27 2019 05:40 opisska wrote:
Italians being a pain in the ass as is their historical tradition make it so official results can be declared only at 23:00 CEST (20 minutes from now) and it seems that there are no real data for Czech results until then at all.
Same for Sweden. Voting closed at 20:00 so not that strange. Though tends to be quicker in national election so could be some agreed rule for EU elections specifically.
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Czech results: 28.7% turnout, seats:
ANO - 6 (the party in power, led by a billionaire under investigation for corruption)
ODS - 4 (improvement wrt. last national election, somewhat decent right, but EU-sceptical, party of ECR leader Jan Zahradil)
Pirates - 3 (on par with national election, they are a strong party here)
STAN-TOP - 3 (surprising, big gain from national elections, pro-EU centrist party with independents)
SPD - 2 (party based on anti-immigration, contains some literal neo-nazis, decline from national election, yay!)
KDU - 2 (christian democrats, left-center, reasonable if sometimes too christian)
Communists - 1 (their voters probably don't even know what EU is)
In general positive results after the somewhat tragic national elections last year.
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On May 27 2019 06:10 opisska wrote:
Czech results: 28.7% turnout, seats:
ANO - 6 (the party in power, led by a billionaire under investigation for corruption)
ODS - 4 (improvement wrt. last national election, somewhat decent right, but EU-sceptical, party of ECR leader Jan Zahradil)
Pirates - 3 (on par with national election, they are a strong party here)
STAN-TOP - 3 (surprising, big gain from national elections, pro-EU centrist party with independents)
SPD - 2 (party based on anti-immigration, contains some literal neo-nazis, decline from national election, yay!)
KDU - 2 (christian democrats, left-center, reasonable if sometimes too christian)
Communists - 1 (their voters probably don't even know what EU is)
In general positive results after the somewhat tragic national elections last year.
I think that the differences in turnout are really interesting. In Germany, we have the highest turnout for a european election in basically forever (since 1989 apparently), and with about 61.5% it is about 13 % higher than 2014.
Why is the czech turnout that low in comparison?
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On May 27 2019 06:16 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 06:10 opisska wrote:
Czech results: 28.7% turnout, seats:
ANO - 6 (the party in power, led by a billionaire under investigation for corruption)
ODS - 4 (improvement wrt. last national election, somewhat decent right, but EU-sceptical, party of ECR leader Jan Zahradil)
Pirates - 3 (on par with national election, they are a strong party here)
STAN-TOP - 3 (surprising, big gain from national elections, pro-EU centrist party with independents)
SPD - 2 (party based on anti-immigration, contains some literal neo-nazis, decline from national election, yay!)
KDU - 2 (christian democrats, left-center, reasonable if sometimes too christian)
Communists - 1 (their voters probably don't even know what EU is)
In general positive results after the somewhat tragic national elections last year. I think that the differences in turnout are really interesting. In Germany, we have the highest turnout for a european election in basically forever (since 1989 apparently), and with about 61.5% it is about 13 % higher than 2014. Why is the czech turnout that low in comparison?
Sweden is estimated to be at 51.4%, 4% up. Still lower than national elections by a fair margin. It is interesting how wide the gap is in different regions.
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Heh.. This is not a surprise. Younger generations have tendency to vote for greens.
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The increased polarization in Poland made the turnout jump from 23% to 43%, though I think most people considered these elections to be a final test before parliamentary elections which will take place in a few months. European matters weren't in the spotlight.
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On May 27 2019 06:16 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 06:10 opisska wrote:
Czech results: 28.7% turnout, seats:
ANO - 6 (the party in power, led by a billionaire under investigation for corruption)
ODS - 4 (improvement wrt. last national election, somewhat decent right, but EU-sceptical, party of ECR leader Jan Zahradil)
Pirates - 3 (on par with national election, they are a strong party here)
STAN-TOP - 3 (surprising, big gain from national elections, pro-EU centrist party with independents)
SPD - 2 (party based on anti-immigration, contains some literal neo-nazis, decline from national election, yay!)
KDU - 2 (christian democrats, left-center, reasonable if sometimes too christian)
Communists - 1 (their voters probably don't even know what EU is)
In general positive results after the somewhat tragic national elections last year. I think that the differences in turnout are really interesting. In Germany, we have the highest turnout for a european election in basically forever (since 1989 apparently), and with about 61.5% it is about 13 % higher than 2014. Why is the czech turnout that low in comparison?
Low? Not at all, compared to the 18 % we got last time!
There is just very little campaign and media coverage. One effect can be that MEPs from a small country have only a small amount of votes and thus aren't seen as capable of any change.
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It's absolutely disgraceful what the ruling party of Romania, PSD did here.
Knowing they will get a pounding in both the MEP elections and in the referendum held at the same time, once again they tried everything to make it hard to vote for the citizens working/living abroad.
This is Munich, not the worst que at Romanian embassies across the EU, by any means.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bt7mt3/people_queuing_up_to_vote_in_munich_eu/
This is at least the 3rd time in a row something like this is happening with the vote from abroad, it's premeditated and repeated voter-suppression attempt. The party is still ran by a guy who is convicted for election-fraud at a previous referendum.
Thousands of people didnt get to vote. Some people waited for 3-7 hours in line and either gave up or were refused at the end.
Luckily they were somewhat punished at the polls, but since this is the MEP election, they're gonna stay in power.
I really hope the European Socialist Party kicks them for good.
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Belgium only had marginal increases ford green. Our extreme left party finally became 'relevant' with 5% treshold level . For the rest: overwhelming win for the extreme right and central-far right. Our younger generation has become naively conservative.
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Voted for the German Green party, but hesitantly so. SPD used to be a no-brainer before I was eligible to vote, but that has changed drastically.
Used the Wahl-O-Mat and had a nearly 80% overlap with the Greens, despite disagreeing strongly with their stance on migration. Die Linke (Left Party) had 76% overlap. Funnily, AfD scored so low with me that even NPD scored better (23% and 24% respectively.
Overall, I hope this election result will help us get our house in order in terms of climate change. Without a strict carbon tax ruling and campaigns to lower meat consumption there's no way we can meet even the most pessimistic emissions goals.
Press freedom and social issues, like EU-wide marriage and adoption equality should also be on the table.
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On May 27 2019 17:04 Geo.Rion wrote:It's absolutely disgraceful what the ruling party of Romania, PSD did here. Knowing they will get a pounding in both the MEP elections and in the referendum held at the same time, once again they tried everything to make it hard to vote for the citizens working/living abroad. This is Munich, not the worst que at Romanian embassies across the EU, by any means. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bt7mt3/people_queuing_up_to_vote_in_munich_eu/This is at least the 3rd time in a row something like this is happening with the vote from abroad, it's premeditated and repeated voter-suppression attempt. The party is still ran by a guy who is convicted for election-fraud at a previous referendum. Thousands of people didnt get to vote. Some people waited for 3-7 hours in line and either gave up or were refused at the end. Luckily they were somewhat punished at the polls, but since this is the MEP election, they're gonna stay in power. I really hope the European Socialist Party kicks them for good.
Well, be happy for what you get, as a Czech citizen I cannot vote abroad at all, the EP elections are simply not held outside the country. One could, in principle, register for election in the country I live in though and vote for the local EPs (but this is also not relevant to my status).
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On May 27 2019 04:44 Godwrath wrote:
A lot going on in Spain since it wasn't only european elections, but also for the autonomous communities, province, etc. But just wanted to state my happiness about Valls crashing and burning hard.
He never had a hope in hell. But yeah, I voted for Colau, but can't be too disappointed in the results. There's a solid left majority and no majority for independence, which at a municipal level should be irrelevant, but weirdly isn't.
One thing I really don't understand, though, is why Junts won in Barcelona for the EU elections, but got crushed in the municipal elections. I guess people really like Puigdemont?
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Hungary (unofficial info of Magyar Nemzet with 88 percent counted), votes then seats, compared to 2014:
Fidesz–EPP?: 52.3 (+0.8) // 13 seats (+1)
DK–S&D: 16.3 (+6.5) // 4 (+2)
Momentum–ALDE: 9,7 (new) // 2
MSZP-P–S&D: 6.6 (-4.3) // 1 (-1)
Jobbik–NI: 6.5 (-8.2) // 1 (-2)
Out are LMP–G/EFA (5.04% and 1 seat in 2014) and E14-PM–G/EFA (7.25% and 1 seat in 2014) (of the latter coalition E14 disbanded after last year's elections while PM teamed up with MSZP as Párbeszéd for this election).
Copied from a reddit post. Some interesting stuff:
- Fidesz managed to snatch 1 more place than last time. Their situation reminds me of the DJ Khaled meme, "suffering from success". They were 1st place at every. single. voting. area. Quite crazy, if we consider that our capital is historically their weakest point, and it is where they have lost elections before.
- The second place finishers, DK, has Ferenc Gyurcsány at the helm, who is pretty much considered as a failed politician and a meme here. But he tapped into that public perception, launched a Messenger campaign, which sounds absolutely awful on paper, but it turns out it worked out for him. Currently he represents the second strongest party, opposing Orbán, and I am not sure if it's 2019 or 2004.
- DK came second place everywhere outside of the capital, but even there they managed to get most of the second places.
- Momentum came in big. After a failed entry in the parlimentary election, they came in 3rd now. Before the election, the big question was whether they can send a single person or not, and in the end, they are sending two. We will see if they can keep their momentum (heh), or will end up like LMP (see below).
- Since their split in 2010, MSZP and DK were around equal strength with MSZP being somewhat stronger. DK was looked at as the bastard child, with the failed ex-prime minister of MSZP, Gyurcsány. This difference now, is huge, and (along with Momentum's success) can signal a new era of opposition. MSZP has been trying to rebrand since forever now, but they just keep sinking.
- And the same can be told about Jobbik. tl;dr they started out as a far right, racist party, but after realizing that it can only get them so far, they rebranded into Fidesz 2.0, earning them more success, but creating turmoil amongst their ranks and their most loyal, original voter base. A far right, quite racist contingent left, created a new party (MI Hazánk - Our Nation), and -sadly - did pretty well, 3+%.
- LMP has been beaten by said racist party AND our joke party as well. Their fall from grace is a story to behold, and their entire leadership resigned. ANd by that, I mean the new leadership, not the ones they exiled after the last election. And by that leadership I don't mean the previous leadership which they have exiled before the election before. And by-- ... anyway, you get the idea.
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Nothing new in Bulgaria. The results are the same as the past 5 or so elections. After 95% of the protocols:
GERB (EPP) - 7
BSP (PES) - 5
DPS (ALDE) - 3
VMRO (ECR) - 1
Democratic Bulgaria (EPP) - 1
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Volband, what is the deal with Fidesz and EPP? They are listed as "suspended" and it kinda makes sense - I just don't see CDU/CSU associating with Orbán, but how did they get there in the first place? Shouldn't they be in some "lunatic faction" for their own good?
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I know this is minor in the light of the European elections, but a short summary and update on the political situation in Austria:
Last saturday the conservative-nationalist coalition announced reelections after the nationalist party FPÖ was confronted with a video showing their leader Strache trying to sell out the country in 2017.
On wednesday the conservative chancellor Kurz formed an intermediate government without the nationalist ministers that were forced to step back by him.
This government is about to fall in the coming hours as the nationalist party has announced their support for a motion of no-confidence from the social-democrats. Who is going to lead the country in the months to come is uncertain at this moment in time.
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In jollier news from Romania, the Undead de facto ruler of the government is going to prison (unless he seeks asylum in a 3rd world country like some of his friends)
A court in Romania has rejected an appeal by Liviu Dragnea, the controversial leader of the country’s ruling Social Democrat Party (PSD), against his 2018 conviction on corruption charges.
At last year’s trial, Dragnea received a three-and-a-half-year jail sentence after being convicted of using his influence to procure fake public jobs for two women who were working for the PSD at the time.
According to reports, he is now expected to begin serving his prison sentence immediately.
The jailing of Dragnea will remove from public life the man who has been a key figure in the PSD's push for controversial judicial reforms that critics say has damaged the independence of the courts.
https://www.rferl.org/a/romanian-court-to-rule-on-appeal-against-corruption-verdict-by-ruling-party-s-leader/29964885.html
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On May 27 2019 20:06 opisska wrote:
Volband, what is the deal with Fidesz and EPP? They are listed as "suspended" and it kinda makes sense - I just don't see CDU/CSU associating with Orbán, but how did they get there in the first place? Shouldn't they be in some "lunatic faction" for their own good?
From what I have gathered, the EPP wasn't entirely sure about their victory, so they hadn't kicked Fidesz out for good, in case they might need them, and Fidesz was hoping for the parties opposing the EU to win much more across the EU, so they can jump ship, and be part of the new power.
They will probably be kicked, and will join Salvini. At home, this will be translated to them leaving the EPP on their own, because the EPP wants more immigrants in the EU, and joining the good guys in the from of Salvini is the right choice.
As for how they got there, I am not sure, as the EU politics are besides me, but Fidesz has been pro-EU for a very long time, and it was them, back in 98-02, who made successfull negotiations about our future joining. Their troubles began after 2010, when they started to build their empire, and the EU kept breathing down their neck, though they hadn't villanized the EU back then. That started with the immigration crisis, and earned them a lot of voters.
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On May 27 2019 20:06 opisska wrote:
Volband, what is the deal with Fidesz and EPP? They are listed as "suspended" and it kinda makes sense - I just don't see CDU/CSU associating with Orbán, but how did they get there in the first place? Shouldn't they be in some "lunatic faction" for their own good?
Orban's rhetoric doesnt match EPP values at all, that is true, and hence the suspention.
However if you look at FIDESZ members voting record in the EP, they faithfully supported every EPP agenda and motion, and in theory their ideology is a carbon copy of the EPP ideology (christian-democrat, conservative etc). And they're a fairly large and reliably reelected chunk of MEPs, so there s that.
The one issue where they break, and quite seriously, is migration/border control, the rest of the disagreement was and is just posturing and campaigning.
It's gonna be interesting to see where they end up.
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A fun story from Czech EP election:
A satirical party, named, in literal translation "Yes, we will troll the europarliament" (actually using a Czech neologism for trolling!) has won 1.56 %. Their whole program was a bunch of funny nonsensical statements and the only reason they got so many votes is because the leading party is called "YES 2011" and apparently enough people are sufficiently stupid to mess this up. The party gets some 40kEUR for their efforts too, a pretty good trolling if you ask me 
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