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Props to Bolivia for having more balls than the rest of the world.
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On July 31 2014 06:01 Nyxisto wrote:
I didn't ignore it a single bit, everybody already knows that Israel's centre-right faction is unwilling to give the settlements up, but that has little to do with racism or religious fanaticism that is comparable to the Hamas ideology, which is what this was originally about.
So forcing out the native people from a land because God promised it to us is not fanaticism... right. There are non-religious platforms on similar position. I don't see where that fits with the democratic moderate image you try to paint Israel in.
On July 31 2014 06:06 ticklishmusic wrote:Props to Bolivia for having more balls than the rest of the world.
Considering Bolivia has like the only indigenous president out there, understandable how they feel.
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On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...]
Define native please
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On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please
How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium."
Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across.
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On July 31 2014 05:35 EtherealBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. You forget those who were forced out of their homes in 1948. Gay friendly? Really? How's that supposed to help Palestinians? You mean the US spends billions of dollars on Iron dome. Excuse me if bombing UN shelters, schools, mosques, hospitals, marketplaces, homes and refugee camps from the air, sea and ground does not look like an "anti terrorist operation" to me.
Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that has Hamas deliberately placed rockets three times in UN schools and fires from locations close to hospitals, mosques etc? I think you're being extremely naive if you really believe that Hamas are not exploiting their own civilians in this war.
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On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across.
Opinions on the US treatment of, for lack of a better term, "Native Americans" then?
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On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across.
So we give the land to the Canaanites? I don't think they are around. How about the Egyptians? I mean, how far back do we go here. We need specifics. A lot of people have owned this land at one point or another. I mean, the Roman's owned it for a while, and the Babylonians too. Anyone here a Babylonian?
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On July 31 2014 06:17 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:35 EtherealBlade wrote:On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. You forget those who were forced out of their homes in 1948. Gay friendly? Really? How's that supposed to help Palestinians? You mean the US spends billions of dollars on Iron dome. Excuse me if bombing UN shelters, schools, mosques, hospitals, marketplaces, homes and refugee camps from the air, sea and ground does not look like an "anti terrorist operation" to me. Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that has Hamas deliberately placed rockets three times in UN schools and fires from locations close to hospitals, mosques etc? I think you're being extremely naive if you really believe that Hamas are not exploiting their own civilians in this war.
EMPTY UN SCHOOLS. EMPTY is the keyword.
Israel has fired knowingly on UN schools full of refugees escaping other places that were being bombed, despite warnings by the UN and requests to evacuate the innocent civilians out before the bombing. Seriously, where the hell do you expect these people to go? Gaza is about double the size of Washington DC with 1.8 million people. It has a population density higher than New York City. Now imagine F-16s dropping bombs over residential neighborhoods. Where do you expect these people to flee to?
People are literally dying from bombing in places they ran to to avoid getting bombed in their homes.
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On July 31 2014 06:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across. So we give the land to the Canaanites? I don't think they are around. How about the Egyptians? I mean, how far back do we go here. We need specifics. A lot of people have owned this land at one point or another. I mean, the Roman's owned it for a while, and the Babylonians too. Anyone here a Babylonian?
I mean, technically none of those civilizations lived in palestine for a millenium straight.
But I agree with you
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On July 31 2014 06:06 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:53 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:42 EtherealBlade wrote:On July 31 2014 05:29 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:22 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:08 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. I believe I said the racist and zealots in Israel are as bad as Hamas, not the country as a whole. And in my opinion those people are as guilty of escalating the crisis as Hamas. Its what they want. But no mainstream party in Israel is racist or consists of religious zealots. That the Israelis would have the right to all the land because of religious scripture is a fringe position in Israel. There are a large number of pro-war conservatives in Israel and from my understanding, they have held a lot of sway in the government recently. Even US media reports on the growth of a more "hawkish" section of Israel's government. These conflicts do not start in a vacuum. Sure there are hawkish people, but drawing parallels between the Hamas and the current government in Israel are wrong and relativistic. Theocratic rule with and the creation of a homogeneous society is basically the rule in nearly all Arabic nations. Take a trip to Tel-Aviv and you'll encounter the exact opposite. Israel does not want to form an exclusive Jewish society. 70% of Israelis support a two state solution, but also 85% of people support the current military operations. This genuinely is about self defense and not about creating some kind of apartheid ghetto. On July 31 2014 05:28 Derez wrote:
That's not a fringe party and, quoting wikipedia:
10% of the vote last election and part of the governing coalition. Geert Wilders scored equally in the Netherlands. I've yet to meet one Dutchman who supports the guy. There was no theocratic rule in Egypt except for a year, none in Syria. Lebanon and Syria are far from homogenous societies. You're citing what the media leads you to believe - Israel is carrying the democratic torch among the uncivilised Arab masses. Egypt has a long history of Islamic law that permeates many aspects of life. I'll give you Syria, Assad has successfully managed to slaughter 170k of his citizens without resorting to religious fanaticism. I don't know much about Lebanon. But that's basically about it. In almost any other Arabic country theocratic rule and/or Sharia law is indeed the norm. Congratulations you've outdone yourself with the absurdity of this post. 1) Please give me clear examples of Islamic law permeating Egyptian life 2) Your comment about Assad killing his own people is irrelevant to this conversation 3) Yes, it's clear that you don't know much of anything "In almost any other Arabic country" - what does this mean? Do you realize that a huge percentage of Arabs live in Egypt, Algeria, Syria, and Lebanon? The gulf countries represent a very small percentage of Arab population and their cultural influence is only as a result of the oil reserves they're sitting on. These people were all bedouins in the desert before they got rich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#mediaviewer/File:Use_of_Sharia_by_country.svg
The Arabic countries have a long history of Islamic influence in society, law and cultures. Compared to that Israel is a secular and pluralistic state.
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On July 31 2014 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across. Opinions on the US treatment of, for lack of a better term, "Native Americans" then?
Do you think the US treatment of the Native Americans is not without its share of critics?
As I've stated in this thread numerous times, one nation's crimes against another is not justification for further crimes.
The Israel/Palestine conflict is happening IN REAL TIME, in front of us. Let's do something to end it before the Palestinians share the American Indians' fate.
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On July 31 2014 06:17 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:35 EtherealBlade wrote:On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. You forget those who were forced out of their homes in 1948. Gay friendly? Really? How's that supposed to help Palestinians? You mean the US spends billions of dollars on Iron dome. Excuse me if bombing UN shelters, schools, mosques, hospitals, marketplaces, homes and refugee camps from the air, sea and ground does not look like an "anti terrorist operation" to me. Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that has Hamas deliberately placed rockets three times in UN schools and fires from locations close to hospitals, mosques etc? I think you're being extremely naive if you really believe that Hamas are not exploiting their own civilians in this war.
No, but it's not Hamas doing the massacre in the end. There's no excuse hitting UN run schools that declare themselves unarmed, or a power plant.
Opinions on the US treatment of, for lack of a better term, "Native Americans" then?
One would think such acts are only dark chapters in the history books but turns out the same mindset still exists today.
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On July 31 2014 06:23 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:22 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across. So we give the land to the Canaanites? I don't think they are around. How about the Egyptians? I mean, how far back do we go here. We need specifics. A lot of people have owned this land at one point or another. I mean, the Roman's owned it for a while, and the Babylonians too. Anyone here a Babylonian? I mean, technically none of those civilizations lived in palestine for a millenium straight. But I agree with you
I mean if we are going to go by the rules of who owned the land first and their civilization is still standing, I think Egypt gets the whole place. Everyone else has to move out, Egypt is going to reclaim the land that is rightfully theirs but the idiot rules of "the land of my for fathers".
But of course, that's not how this shit works.
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I mean thats only cuz Egypt's name hasn't changed. I don't think its particularly directly descended from the first egyptian pharoahs etc.
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On July 31 2014 06:23 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:06 DinoMight wrote:On July 31 2014 05:53 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:42 EtherealBlade wrote:On July 31 2014 05:29 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:22 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:On July 31 2014 05:08 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:
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All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. I believe I said the racist and zealots in Israel are as bad as Hamas, not the country as a whole. And in my opinion those people are as guilty of escalating the crisis as Hamas. Its what they want. But no mainstream party in Israel is racist or consists of religious zealots. That the Israelis would have the right to all the land because of religious scripture is a fringe position in Israel. There are a large number of pro-war conservatives in Israel and from my understanding, they have held a lot of sway in the government recently. Even US media reports on the growth of a more "hawkish" section of Israel's government. These conflicts do not start in a vacuum. Sure there are hawkish people, but drawing parallels between the Hamas and the current government in Israel are wrong and relativistic. Theocratic rule with and the creation of a homogeneous society is basically the rule in nearly all Arabic nations. Take a trip to Tel-Aviv and you'll encounter the exact opposite. Israel does not want to form an exclusive Jewish society. 70% of Israelis support a two state solution, but also 85% of people support the current military operations. This genuinely is about self defense and not about creating some kind of apartheid ghetto. On July 31 2014 05:28 Derez wrote:
That's not a fringe party and, quoting wikipedia:
10% of the vote last election and part of the governing coalition. Geert Wilders scored equally in the Netherlands. I've yet to meet one Dutchman who supports the guy. There was no theocratic rule in Egypt except for a year, none in Syria. Lebanon and Syria are far from homogenous societies. You're citing what the media leads you to believe - Israel is carrying the democratic torch among the uncivilised Arab masses. Egypt has a long history of Islamic law that permeates many aspects of life. I'll give you Syria, Assad has successfully managed to slaughter 170k of his citizens without resorting to religious fanaticism. I don't know much about Lebanon. But that's basically about it. In almost any other Arabic country theocratic rule and/or Sharia law is indeed the norm. Congratulations you've outdone yourself with the absurdity of this post. 1) Please give me clear examples of Islamic law permeating Egyptian life 2) Your comment about Assad killing his own people is irrelevant to this conversation 3) Yes, it's clear that you don't know much of anything "In almost any other Arabic country" - what does this mean? Do you realize that a huge percentage of Arabs live in Egypt, Algeria, Syria, and Lebanon? The gulf countries represent a very small percentage of Arab population and their cultural influence is only as a result of the oil reserves they're sitting on. These people were all bedouins in the desert before they got rich. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Egypthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#mediaviewer/File:Use_of_Sharia_by_country.svgThe Arabic countries have a long history of Islamic influence in society, law and cultures. Compared to that Israel is a secular and pluralistic state.
European-founded countries have a long history of Chirstian influence.
You hang onto Islam like it was evil incarnate, like Israel's actions are justified because they are somehow more enlightened and civilized. They are not.
It's the same old colonialist attitude that the British and the French held 100 years ago.
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On July 31 2014 06:17 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:35 EtherealBlade wrote:On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue. You forget those who were forced out of their homes in 1948. Gay friendly? Really? How's that supposed to help Palestinians? You mean the US spends billions of dollars on Iron dome. Excuse me if bombing UN shelters, schools, mosques, hospitals, marketplaces, homes and refugee camps from the air, sea and ground does not look like an "anti terrorist operation" to me. Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that has Hamas deliberately placed rockets three times in UN schools and fires from locations close to hospitals, mosques etc? I think you're being extremely naive if you really believe that Hamas are not exploiting their own civilians in this war.
Gaza - 139 sq m - about half of which is occupied as a buffer zone for israeli invasion forces so lets say 70 sq miles
Population - 1.8 million
1.8 million people / 70 sq miles = population density of 25714 people per sq mile
For reference that's a little less than new york city proper and a little more than los angeles.
This shit about "near civilians" is pure fucking bullshit - they literally have nowhere else to go.
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On July 31 2014 06:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:17 DinoMight wrote:On July 31 2014 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 06:06 EtherealBlade wrote:
So forcing out the native people from a land[...] Define native please How about "people who've been living there continuously for over a millenium." Not exactly scientific but I think it gets the point across. So we give the land to the Canaanites? I don't think they are around. How about the Egyptians? I mean, how far back do we go here. We need specifics. A lot of people have owned this land at one point or another. I mean, the Roman's owned it for a while, and the Babylonians too. Anyone here a Babylonian?
If everyone applied zionism to their own history (or really, their holy book) there'd be wars everywhere. Don't you see how it creates a dangerous precedent? If Israel can be allowed do it why shouldn't Italy get Mare Nostrum. Or why not let Mongolia rule the Eurasian landmass. As ridiculous these sound, so ridiculous the idea of zionism is, except some people really followed it through and many still do.
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On July 31 2014 05:01 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:46 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:
well the only thing that was changed by the immigration reform was that they need to speak a little bit of German now, but that is off-topic anyway. The gist of it is that Israel grants Jewish people the right of return because historically Israel has been founded as a refuge because of the extermination on the European continent. That doesn't imply that they're discriminating other people. All right, lets me clear, there is a reasonable number of people in in Israel are racist as fuck and a lot of them have gained a lot of power in the government. They suck just as much as Hamas and the only difference is they have more guns and power right now. Lets not act like Israel is the land of tolerance right now or for the last 10 years. "They suck just as much as Hamas" Who exactly? Name one political party in the knesset who's charter says Palestinians should be harmed. And let's talk about Israeli tolerance for a second. A country with a growing population of over 1.5 million arab citizens when Jews were forced out of Muslim countries. A country with the city Tel Aviv which "has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world". A country which spends billions of dollars from its budgets on developing defensive missiles which no other country in the world has or ever thought. A country which continues to provide aid to the citizens of Gaza during this recent cycle of violence, because it is not at war with them, but with Hamas. I bet you didn't know there is an IDF field hospital right outside of Gaza only for Palestinian citizens, and Hamas has fired upon it several times. Good thing that missile defense system is protecting those Palestinian citizens from Hamas' rockets. So no, you can't compare Israel to Hamas when it comes to "sucking". You can criticize Israel for its actions, but if you think it is just as bad as Hamas, you really have no place in a real conversation about this issue.
We've heard that many times : outstanding democracy, most moral army in the world.
Meanwhile it's a country that occupy another for forty years.
Did you forget arabs can marry jew in this perfect democracy ?
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Can't you get over Hamas and realise it doesn't matter what these people do they are getting slaughtered?
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