Gaza war 2014 - Page 70

On July 31 2014 06:33 EtherealBlade wrote:

If everyone applied zionism to their own history (or really, their holy book) there'd be wars everywhere. Don't you see how it creates a dangerous precedent? If Israel can be allowed do it why shouldn't Italy get Mare Nostrum. Or why not let Mongolia rule the Eurasian landmass. As ridiculous these sound, so ridiculous the idea of zionism is, except some people really followed it through and many still do.

On July 31 2014 06:39 EtherealBlade wrote:


Can't you get over Hamas and realise it doesn't matter what these people do they are getting slaughtered?

On July 31 2014 06:40 Plansix wrote:

Yeah, but I don't care about zionism or who is right or wrong or who gets the land. Israel currently holds it and no-one can take it from them because they don't have the military power to do so. Any other arguments about "native land" are just stupid. The US took native american's land and they(as a whole) don't go around demanding that the US government return it, because they know it will never happen.(clearly there are other issues, but on one is that unreasonable).

On July 31 2014 06:39 EtherealBlade wrote:


Can't you get over Hamas and realise it doesn't matter what these people do they are getting slaughtered?

On July 31 2014 06:40 Plansix wrote:
The US took native american's land and they(as a whole) don't go around demanding that the US government return it, because they know it will never happen.(clearly there are other issues, but on one is that unreasonable).

On July 31 2014 06:35 Nyxisto wrote:

No. Hamas leaders literally ask people to stay at their homes, stay on their roofs and defend their houses "with their bare chests".

A right-wing Israeli mob has been caught on film seemingly celebrating the deaths of Palestinian children in Operation Protective Edge. Over 1,200 Palestinians have been killed in Israel’s latest offensive, including over 200 children.

The video uploaded onto YouTube on Saturday shows a group of right-wing Israeli activists celebrating the Israeli Defense Force’s incursion into Gaza.

“Tomorrow there’s no teaching in Gaza, they don’t have any children left,” chanted the protesters, waving Israeli flags.

On July 31 2014 06:46 EtherealBlade wrote:

So if someone in the future had the military power to take the land, and they proceeded to do it, you'd say it's fine, whatever the consequences?

The Israel Broadcasting Authority banned a radio broadcast made by the human rights organization B’Tselem about children killed in Gaza, claiming its content was “politically controversial.”

On Wednesday the IBA again censored the clip, after considering B’Tselem’s appeal against the decision.

The clip, submitted a few days ago, says children have been killed in the fighting in Gaza and mentions a few of their names. The IBA said it was politically controversial and it does not allow clips of a political character.

On July 31 2014 06:52 Sn0_Man wrote:

Opinions on strategic bombing of large, densely populated cities in world war 2? Nuking japan? Is that more or less horrible than the projected millions of (civillian) deaths involved in ending the war via invasion?

On July 20, around 2:20 am, 16-year-old Anas Mahmoud Hussein Muammar from Rafah went out onto the second-floor balcony of his home to join his older brothers for a cup of coffee. Soon after, an Israeli drone-fired missile directly targeted him and his brothers, according to documentation collected by Defense for Children International Palestine. His brothers were killed instantly. Anas suffered fatal injuries and was pronounced dead at Abu Yousef An-Najjar Hospital about 10 minutes later.

On July 31 2014 07:03 DannyJ wrote:
I'm pretty confused on the whole logistics angle of lots of these incidents. So they accidentally shell a UN school where families were hiding because "nearby" militants were firing mortars. How quickly does Israel retaliate? How many mortars and men were there? Were militants still even there. I get Israel has a right to defend itself, but I really question the risk vs reward they take with many of their actions, assuming they knew that was a UN facility. What a mess...

The names of the children from the Abu Jami’ family in Khan Younis, ages ranging from 4 months to 14 years old, are listed below. All were sheltering in their four-storey house when the strike occurred without warning.

Njoud Tayseer Ahmad Abu Jami’, 4 months
Bisan Bassam Ahmad Abu Jami’, 6 months
Nour Yaser Ahmad Abu Jami’, 2
Rinas Tayseer Ahmad Abu Jami’, 2
Suheila Bassam Ahmad Abu Jami’, 3
Seraj Yaser Ahmad Abu Jami’, 4
Batoul Bassam Ahmad Abu Jami’, 4
Tawfiq Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 4
Rayan Tayseer Ahmad Abu Jami’, 5
Sajed Yaser Ahmad Abu Jami’, 7
Maisa’a Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 7
Husam Husam Abu Qnais, 7
Ahmad Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 8
Haifa Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 9
Ayyoub Tayseer Ahmad Abu Jami’, 10
Aya Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 12
Fatima Tayseer Ahmad Abu Jami’, 12
Jawdat Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 13
Razan Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jami’, 14

Israeli officials stated that the intended target was a Hamas member who was visiting the house at the time of the strike...

On July 31 2014 06:56 xDaunt wrote:

Only children look at foreign policy through the lens of morality. Foreign policy -- with war being one of its biggest tools -- is an exercise in cold, amoral calculation. Appealing to morality may be a tool that some use to accomplish their ends, but at the end of the day, the exercise of raw power -- diplomatically, economically, or militarily -- will always be the deciding factor. Thus, whether someone is "fine" with conquering Israel or any other piece of land is irrelevant. The real question is what are they willing and able to do about it.

On July 31 2014 07:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Are you for real

I mean seriously, what you are saying is literally that if another country is mightier than another country, it can do whatever it pleases to that country and its inhabitants. Do you seriously not see how absurdly fucked up scenarios you can get through adhering to this line of thought?

Like, you're literally endorsing mass-rape as a method of breaking enemy morale. You're endorsing mass-mutilations because it will make your enemy a less capable enemy. You're endorsing the fucking holocaust because that is the final solution. Note that I am in no way accusing Israel of these things, I am merely saying that if these are the principles you feel you must hold on to for you to be able to continue voicing your support towards Israeli actions, then that settles the debate for me. And as a final note, Carthage must be destroyed.

On July 31 2014 07:32 Nyxisto wrote:
Obviously the law of the jungle like "we'll just settle where we please" argument is, in today's world, really awful. If you argue this way this would justify how Russia has been bullying their neighbours around, which is just completely unacceptable.

But the "They're occupying Arab land" is just as awful as faulty. 50% of the Jews in Israel originate from the middle-east. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews)
Combine that with the 20% Arab population and that leaves you with 7 out of 10 people being 'local' natives. That makes for a pretty bad colony in my opinion.

On July 31 2014 07:32 Nyxisto wrote:
Obviously the law of the jungle like "we'll just settle where we please" argument is, in today's world, really awful. If you argue this way this would justify how Russia has been bullying their neighbours around, which is just completely unacceptable.

But the "They're occupying Arab land" is just as awful as faulty. 50% of the Jews in Israel originate from the middle-east. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews)
Combine that with the 20% Arab population and that leaves you with 7 out of 10 people being 'local' natives. That makes for a pretty bad colony in my opinion. This is why the map you posted yesterday is terribly misleading.
All state lines aside, if you're going to make an honest map of the region you're going to end up with a really messy patchwork rug.

On July 31 2014 07:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
So at what point are atrocities so horrible that morality becomes a factor? You just said only children view foreign policy through the lens of morality. Where's the breaking point?

Either morality is a factor, or we accept the holocaust as like, "alright".

On July 31 2014 07:38 Liquid`Drone wrote:
But actions of our leaders depends on the voice of the population. We are talking about democratic countries here. Only through people accepting your point of view - that morality is not a factor - can morality continue to not be a factor.

On July 31 2014 07:39 Jormundr wrote:

They aren't natives, similar to how Igor Strelkov is not a native Ukrainian. Just because you only had to hop one country over to colonize doesn't really change the fact that you're colonizing. See: Russia-backed separatists.