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On September 07 2006 19:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Justify? Yeah, because by sarcastically alluding to historical examples of similar uses of brute force in other countries im clearly alluding to the legality and purity of this current tactic.
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Im simply complaining about the fucking anti US propoganda that circulates this site all the fucking time. Had you of read on, and maybe paid more heed to the other shit rather than just tighten your anus when "Germany" was mentioned, you would have seen the bulk of my comment was talking more about this ISNT new shit and this HAS ALWAYS been done. Yet somehow, because Bush is our president, these cuntlips seem to think this is new or unique to the US. THAT was the purpose of my post.
Yeah, no one ever complained about concentration camp, goulag etc. Everyone found them perfectly normal and moral and now that the country who pretend to defend freedom and justice has some, they denonce it. Fucking propaganda...
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Anyone who supports the way the United States treats the rest of the world is guaranteed to be a white ignorant American. There is no other country in the world that supports what they do, and in 50 years this will be extremely evident. There is no "War on Terror"; you cannot declare war on an idea. It's like the "War on Drugs." It can never be won because you can't kill an idea. It's just a propaganda driving name. The Bush administration (READ NOT BUSH, THE ADMINISTRATION) has completely fucked the United States in terms of international standing as well as economic prosperity. Continuously lying about the situation is the only way they are able to prevent uprisings in the USA. If you visited the Middle East 50 years ago America was almost WORSHIPPED, and now it's hated by 90% of the populace. The main reason is the RIDICULOUSLY overwhelming favoritism that the USA shows to Israel, which is ONLY because Israeli lobbyists control the morally bankrupt American congress. Saying that God and religion has nothing to do with American's political policy is stupid and ignorant. Bush won the election due to his right wing and conservative religious wing support. Of course the platform is built on religious belief. Half Bush' speeches involve what God would do and God Bless this and that.
That's a short version, I can go on and on. And please, for fucks sake, don't try to argue with me using vague terms and ambiguous/nebulous examples; if you're going to debate with me you need to have REAL examples and intelligently explain what you want to say, because I don't want to hear blind American patriotism.
Yes I do live in America (though my account says Chinese because I am an immigrant).
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On September 07 2006 19:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Justify? Yeah, because by sarcastically alluding to historical examples of similar uses of brute force in other countries im clearly alluding to the legality and purity of this current tactic.
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Im simply complaining about the fucking anti US propoganda that circulates this site all the fucking time. Had you of read on, and maybe paid more heed to the other shit rather than just tighten your anus when "Germany" was mentioned, you would have seen the bulk of my comment was talking more about this ISNT new shit and this HAS ALWAYS been done. Yet somehow, because Bush is our president, these cuntlips seem to think this is new or unique to the US. THAT was the purpose of my post.
Maybe it's because of;
a) The rest of the world expecting more from a first world democracy like the US
b) Because of your holier than thou attitude and complaints about similiar practices in other countries.
c) Both.
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Australia3818 Posts
Bomb first, ask questions, deny allegations, cover-up facts/misinformation, smile for the cameras, blame it on Islam later.
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On September 07 2006 21:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
French? Roman? Hungarian? Indian?
USA didnt "chose" to become "God's right hand" we decided to back up democracy and sometimes enforce it in places we think it should exist. Sure thats fucked up, but that is far from us proclaiming to be the rage of God.
USA didn't chose to "back up" democracy; USA chose to defend its one interest whatever are the costs for the other; see the early support of the Talibans, the recent support of armed bands in Somalia, all its actions in South America etc.
So seeing this after USA has gone to a war for petrol/money/geopolitical reasons but by pretending to get rid off a dictator because he was torturing/killing his opponents is somewhat ironical.
And no, sorry for you, but the majority of other civilized country don't torture their opponents.
Looks like a killer who would say to the judge, "look there are plenty people who kill when they are angry so I don't see the problem".
But yeah those were not American lifes, so I'm not surprised that you don't see it etheir.
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In addition to my other post I'd like to point out a few interesting things:
There is massive evidence that the Bush administration was seeking for something to turn public opinion back in his favor prior to 9/11 when his popularity was dropping FAST after having lost the popular election and doing jackshit while in office. Memos show plans to attack Iraq then as a centering point for American media attention and to boost both American support of Bush as well as his and his administration's agendas (recall that Bush' entire administration was involved in Desert Storm to some large degree).
Karzai the president of Afghanistan is a former executive of the oil company (I forget the oil company's name at the moment) that has been contracted by the United States to drill the massive oil line (I forget its name as well; it's been awhile) in Afghanistan.
I hate living in such a woefully ignorant country, where a poll of 50 thousand college students showed 90% could not find Iraq on a world map, 69% could not find the UK, and 10% could not find the USA. Where we can't concentrate on news if it's longer than a 10 second sound-bite. Where lobbyists control our legislative process and pork-barrel runs rampant because politicians care ONLY about being re-elected (ex. the senior Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska had a $72 million dollar bridge built for LITERALLY 90 people connecting a small island to the mainland because the people complained about taking a 10 minute ferry). Nobody knows what the fuck is going on with the war in Iraq and almost nobody is even aware that Adghanistan exists anymore since the media stopped reporting on it.
And I hate blind patriotic people like InControl who get all pissy if you criticize the US. Guess what...the US has a LOT to answer for and is most open to criticism of any country in the world, including pre-OPERATION FREE IRAQ!!!! Iraq
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On September 07 2006 19:22 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2006 19:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
ZOMG They dont ask nicely for information? Fucking monsters! Not like those other institutions throughout history where national terrorists and conspirators are treated with dignity and respect, like in the glory days of Vietnamese prison camps, Russian holding cells, German concentration camps, South American executions, French dungeons or Middle Eastern mass graves. Shame on you USA, your the only ones who use forceful tactics to extract information. Fucking bastards, I bet pre-Bush these camps or anything of the sort never existed.. yeah, Bush solely set them up, it was all his idea that prick! He just hates non whites im sure of it. No President other than THIS American president have ever utilized such tactics, nobody. Am I missing something or did you just try to justify those camps because Hitler had similar ones?
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On September 07 2006 19:55 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2006 19:40 Hippopotamus wrote:
Do you have some authority on the English language to back you on that one? I've always understood "an" to be more of a phonetic thing than a grammatical thing. That is why it would be proper to use it in front of a word beginning with a silent h. You're right about the terrorists though. You are correct, when speaking in english, the 'an' would be replaced with 'a' in that sentence. But when writing in english, the 'an' would be used. English writing and speaking follow different rules for special circumstances. Although I do not claim to be a master of the english language, I am ALMOST 100% sure that this is correct.
you are not correct.
I do not think "incontrol" grasps that the argument "he did it first" is not a good argument when coming from the premiere nation on this planet.
I think even most 10 year olds have realized that.
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On September 07 2006 17:48 Myxomatosis wrote:
...these guys aren't members of a foreign militia. they are terrorists ...
what the fuck is the difference?
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On September 08 2006 09:25 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2006 09:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 08 2006 08:50 Servolisk wrote:
Incontrol, how you can make this into being a topic of liberal bias is amazing. Any country and anyone caught doing this would receive heavy criticism, and rightfully so. It would be funny to see the contrast between your first post in the thread and whatever you would say if you were the victim of some other country doing this.
Fucking moron. Experience ALWAYS changes perspective. Perhaps if i was mobbed by a flock pf penguins and had my eyes pecked out by them i wouldnt be so in love with penguins either right? As it is, im fine with saying this because i know A. it is in noway unique or new. B. it gets results C. its a part of war. So... you're saying you would change your mind if it happened to you, but you won't because it has not? As in... you won't be against something unless you are one of the victims? hmmm. Show nested quote +
Yeah it fucking sucks. Yeah its against the law. Yeah its inhumane. But name me a war where shit like this DIDNT happen?
What would the point of establishing that this is as widespread as you believe be? What does it change. Anyway, it would be so easy to find a war where it didn't happen I suggest you refine you're criteria. And it would be even easier if we refine this to cases where it happened out of government endorsement, since it happens all the time where law enforcement and military go against the rules to abuse a prisoner. Those are distinctly separate scenarios.
Yes of course im saying if im on the negative end of ANY experience i would feel differently about it. As it is im not racist, but if 30 fucking black men raped and killed my entire family i would think i might end up a racist... maybe? As it is, im on the positive end of these brutal tactics. So yes, my opinion is going to be grossly minute as oppose to my opinion if I was locked up with no lawful representation indefinately. You can try to paint me the asshole, but fact is this is how humans work.
Example: "Hey faggot, how do you feel about cute little koala bears?"
Faggot: "Why i think they are swell!"
Example dude: "Oh great, cause they are skinning your family alive with scary looking tools, how do you feel now!?"
faggot: "Well not so good dude, i just darn well dont like em!"
Anyways, obviously you guys are missing my point. Or im doing a horrible job trying to convey a thought. It got mutttled when i uttered the scary words of German camps and got further muttled when i realized im out numbered 10 to 1 in people who have an opinion on war and the US in particular. Continue your fucking circle jerk of overly liberal opinions on how war should be done. Fact is, war will always be fought in a brutal fashion that when a light is shined on it it fucking looks horrible. Nevermind the intentions, nevermind HOW those tactics escalated to that degree. Nevermind the tactics THEY use. Nevermind the positive results as oppose to the zilch results without the tactics. No, just continue to think its only the US and this is horrific shit that is somehow "new" to war?
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On September 08 2006 09:51 maleorderbride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2006 19:55 Lemonwalrus wrote:On September 07 2006 19:40 Hippopotamus wrote:
Do you have some authority on the English language to back you on that one? I've always understood "an" to be more of a phonetic thing than a grammatical thing. That is why it would be proper to use it in front of a word beginning with a silent h. You're right about the terrorists though. You are correct, when speaking in english, the 'an' would be replaced with 'a' in that sentence. But when writing in english, the 'an' would be used. English writing and speaking follow different rules for special circumstances. Although I do not claim to be a master of the english language, I am ALMOST 100% sure that this is correct. you are not correct. I do not think "incontrol" grasps that the argument "he did it first" is not a good argument when coming from the premiere nation on this planet. I think even most 10 year olds have realized that.
Hey i know your a fucking retard, but lets try and keep this semi-intelligent. If you want to sum up my examples as "Hey lookie, they did it as well!" Than your missing the fucking point that i have verbalized 30 fucking times. No, i dont give a shit that "they did it first" its fucking examples of "look, this happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME" and the US doesnt deserve a god damn unique thread with 30 of the same people complaining about "Bush" andhow he invented these tactics or how hes "a criminal" when every fucking US president has done this, as well as almost every major leader in a war time through the course of HISTORY all over THE WORLD.
So dont degenerate this into a flame war anymore than it already has. If you want to generalize my statements, dont do it incorrectly you dank ass jerk.
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yeah! you dank ass jerk you!
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On September 07 2006 17:55 Manifesto7 wrote:
Canadas secret prison is even on the map. It is called Sudbury, Ontario. People cant WAIT to escape from there.
LoL~!
Although jokes aside, Canada has had secret facilities and still does, a secret prison wouldn't be suprising, and contrary to what most believe Canada does have viable agents in the intelligent business i'm sure =P
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Australia3818 Posts
iNcontroL is a hedonistic crack junkie, don't even acknowledge his argument.
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On September 08 2006 09:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2006 09:25 Servolisk wrote:On September 08 2006 09:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On September 08 2006 08:50 Servolisk wrote:
Incontrol, how you can make this into being a topic of liberal bias is amazing. Any country and anyone caught doing this would receive heavy criticism, and rightfully so. It would be funny to see the contrast between your first post in the thread and whatever you would say if you were the victim of some other country doing this.
Fucking moron. Experience ALWAYS changes perspective. Perhaps if i was mobbed by a flock pf penguins and had my eyes pecked out by them i wouldnt be so in love with penguins either right? As it is, im fine with saying this because i know A. it is in noway unique or new. B. it gets results C. its a part of war. So... you're saying you would change your mind if it happened to you, but you won't because it has not? As in... you won't be against something unless you are one of the victims? hmmm.
Yeah it fucking sucks. Yeah its against the law. Yeah its inhumane. But name me a war where shit like this DIDNT happen?
What would the point of establishing that this is as widespread as you believe be? What does it change. Anyway, it would be so easy to find a war where it didn't happen I suggest you refine you're criteria. And it would be even easier if we refine this to cases where it happened out of government endorsement, since it happens all the time where law enforcement and military go against the rules to abuse a prisoner. Those are distinctly separate scenarios. Yes of course im saying if im on the negative end of ANY experience i would feel differently about it. As it is im not racist, but if 30 fucking black men raped and killed my entire family i would think i might end up a racist... maybe? As it is, im on the positive end of these brutal tactics. So yes, my opinion is going to be grossly minute as oppose to my opinion if I was locked up with no lawful representation indefinately. You can try to paint me the asshole, but fact is this is how humans work.
Not all people. Such as those who believe in civil rights. There is a reason these things are unlawful.
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Your right, everyones opinion and beliefs remain the same no matter what they experience.
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There is no point in extending this to absolutes that cover any topic.
It is very clear that this topic is covered by the ideas of fairness and equality. If it is something you don't want to happen to you, then it is not fair for you to do it to others.
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