So Bush just admitted they held people in secret prisons in other countries, if you haven't heard. Here is the first article I found: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/index.html

I expect most people don't care, but I thought it deserved a thread.

Myxomatosis

United States2392 Posts

September 07 2006 08:48 GMT

i think it's important to keep in mind that these guys aren't members of a foreign militia. they are terrorists and should be treated as such. the line between interrogation and torture as quite thin IMO, but remember, some of the people in "custody" would like to see american men woman and children die in the worst ways and highest numbers possible.

NewbSaibot

3849 Posts

September 07 2006 08:50 GMT

Torture of terrorists is acceptable because the goverment has never made a mistake and arrested the wrong person.

Pacifist

Israel1683 Posts

September 07 2006 08:52 GMT

yeah that has never happened.

ToT)Testie(

Canada723 Posts

September 07 2006 08:53 GMT

Who doesn't have a secret prison?
I'm sure even Canada has one.
Though it's only for pretend to fit in.

Manifesto7

Osaka27178 Posts

September 07 2006 08:55 GMT

Canadas secret prison is even on the map. It is called Sudbury, Ontario. People cant WAIT to escape from there.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

September 07 2006 09:00 GMT

On September 07 2006 17:55 Manifesto7 wrote:
Canadas secret prison is even on the map. It is called Sudbury, Ontario. People cant WAIT to escape from there.

Um, I'm in a similar situation... it's called New Jersey, United States of America. =(

a.k.a: The Hellhole of the World
a.k.a: The Armpit of the United States

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

September 07 2006 09:09 GMT

Yeah, I'm sure they don't torture them ..-_- Alternate interrogation methods, nice euphorism.

Zeto

United States2290 Posts

September 07 2006 09:24 GMT

this is a surprise how?

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

September 07 2006 09:29 GMT

#10

On September 07 2006 18:00 thedeadhaji wrote:

Show nested quote +

Um, I'm in a similar situation... it's called New Jersey, United States of America. =(

a.k.a: The Hellhole of the World
a.k.a: The Armpit of the United States

things can be worse
our state motto should be 'at least its better than the south'

Rotodyne

United States2263 Posts

September 07 2006 09:34 GMT

#11

On September 07 2006 18:00 thedeadhaji wrote:

Show nested quote +

Um, I'm in a similar situation... it's called New Jersey, United States of America. =(

a.k.a: The Hellhole of the World
a.k.a: The Armpit of the United States

Where do you live in NJ?

nitram

Canada5412 Posts

September 07 2006 09:37 GMT

#12

On September 07 2006 17:55 Manifesto7 wrote:
Canadas secret prison is even on the map. It is called Sudbury, Ontario. People cant WAIT to escape from there.

Sudbury the armpit of Ontario.
I've never been there, whys it so bad?

sith

United States2474 Posts

September 07 2006 09:44 GMT

#13

for some reason every time i here about secret prisions and torture i think of maddox's one article where he had something about him being in charge of the world and having secret police and killing vampires. just reminds me of it.

as for the prisons i'm not suprised.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

September 07 2006 09:52 GMT

#14

Just a grammar question;
"In this new war, the most important source of information on where the terrorists are hiding and what they are planning is the terrorists themselves,"

Is the terrorists? Shouldn't it be are the terrorists themselves, or is it is because source is singular? But that doesn't sound right when I say it..

Hippopotamus

1914 Posts

September 07 2006 09:59 GMT

#15

This has been known for a while, but if the public doesn't know it's OK for stuff like this to go on, eh? As one might guess, extraordinary rendition to places like syria and egypt isn't for having a teaparty. It's to have your bones broken and metal rods shoved up your ass. How a 1st world country can tolerate that is incredible. A little more obvious, direct, in-your-face evidence that Bush is a criminal. Watch this now, and think about how he will go down in history. He'll join the enormous list of other assholes in history, just like that. Democracy my ass... it's no better than monarchy when people are so stupid.

SolaR-

United States2686 Posts

September 07 2006 10:11 GMT

#16

Im sure the rule is no torture, but its probably one of those rules that no one follows nor enforces

Lemonwalrus

United States5465 Posts

September 07 2006 10:17 GMT

#17

On September 07 2006 18:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Just a grammar question;
"In this new war, the most important source of information on where the terrorists are hiding and what they are planning is the terrorists themselves,"

Is the terrorists? Shouldn't it be are the terrorists themselves, or is it is because source is singular? But that doesn't sound right when I say it..

It is right because source is singular. A lot of things don't sound right but actually are. I.E. I am about to eat an large apple. It sounds like it should be a large...but because apple starts with an A, it is an.
It makes sense if you strip the sentence down to only the needed parts.
I am about to eat an apple. (large is not needed)
The most important source is terrorists. (everything else not needed)

neSix

United States1772 Posts

September 07 2006 10:17 GMT

#18

FA you're right, it should be ARE, because even though source is singular, the plural terroristS ARE the source. Haha, difficult to explain, but you are correct afaik, but I'm no english pro.

They're terrorists. Don't they deserve a little bit of terror themselves? kekeke

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

September 07 2006 10:17 GMT

#19

ZOMG They dont ask nicely for information? Fucking monsters! Not like those other institutions throughout history where national terrorists and conspirators are treated with dignity and respect, like in the glory days of Vietnamese prison camps, Russian holding cells, German concentration camps, South American executions, French dungeons or Middle Eastern mass graves. Shame on you USA, your the only ones who use forceful tactics to extract information. Fucking bastards, I bet pre-Bush these camps or anything of the sort never existed.. yeah, Bush solely set them up, it was all his idea that prick! He just hates non whites im sure of it. No President other than THIS American president have ever utilized such tactics, nobody.

Orome

Switzerland11984 Posts

September 07 2006 10:22 GMT

#20

On September 07 2006 19:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
ZOMG They dont ask nicely for information? Fucking monsters! Not like those other institutions throughout history where national terrorists and conspirators are treated with dignity and respect, like in the glory days of Vietnamese prison camps, Russian holding cells, German concentration camps, South American executions, French dungeons or Middle Eastern mass graves. Shame on you USA, your the only ones who use forceful tactics to extract information. Fucking bastards, I bet pre-Bush these camps or anything of the sort never existed.. yeah, Bush solely set them up, it was all his idea that prick! He just hates non whites im sure of it. No President other than THIS American president have ever utilized such tactics, nobody.

Am I missing something or did you just try to justify those camps because Hitler had similar ones?