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KwarK
United States43271 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 08 2006 16:50 Kwark wrote: That is based upon reports by the British guys they let out of Guantamano. Trawl through the BBC websites and you'll find it somewhere. Cba to find link. In other words, you made it up about the prisons in this topic. | ||
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testpat
United States565 Posts
On September 08 2006 17:05 Shymon wrote: Ok, something that i think needs clearing up in a big way in this and any political discussion; Acts by a goverment (say the USA) against an individual who is NOT a citizen of said country is not illegal unless a treaty with another country says that act is prohibited. And before you all claim the geneva convention, you should relize that the USA did NOT sign it. that is all, please don't take this as taking sides, just making a point about people throwing the illegal claim around far too loosely. ie detaining foriegn "insert word you like here", invading iraq (which was actually called for IN a treaty, and other such things which while of morally debatable nature had no laws prohibiting them. FLAME ON! The u.s signed the Geneva Conventions with several reservations. States have responsibilities to prisoners of war and to political prisoners. The u.s. standards should be above the global standards. | ||
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KwarK
United States43271 Posts
On September 08 2006 17:15 Servolisk wrote: In other words, you made it up about the prisons in this topic. Too lazy to google it yourself. Fine. In June of 2004, following the Abu Gharib prison scandal in Iraq, the CIA temporarily suspended the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" in its facilities pending a Justice Department evaluation. The techniques include feigning drowning, feigned suffocation, 'stress positions', light and noise bombardment, sleep deprivation, and making captives think they are being interrogated by another government. However, the suspension of these tactics applies only to CIA facilities and will not change things at Guantanamo. [YAHOO] Four men were set free from Guantanamo in October, 2002 after being deemed not a security risk. Speaking from a hospital in Kabul, they told the BBC they had not been beaten, but they had been interrogated intensely and had been locked in tiny cells in sweltering heat for long periods. They had been cut off from the outside world for eleven months. Jan Mohammed was not given a letter from his family until three days before his release. The returned men say there are three kinds of people being held at Camp Delta: real fighters, those forced to fight and innocent Afghans who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. [BBC2] | ||
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Akirus
United States124 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 08 2006 17:32 Kwark wrote: Too lazy to google it yourself. Fine. In June of 2004, following the Abu Gharib prison scandal in Iraq, the CIA temporarily suspended the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" in its facilities pending a Justice Department evaluation. The techniques include feigning drowning, feigned suffocation, 'stress positions', light and noise bombardment, sleep deprivation, and making captives think they are being interrogated by another government. However, the suspension of these tactics applies only to CIA facilities and will not change things at Guantanamo. [YAHOO] Four men were set free from Guantanamo in October, 2002 after being deemed not a security risk. Speaking from a hospital in Kabul, they told the BBC they had not been beaten, but they had been interrogated intensely and had been locked in tiny cells in sweltering heat for long periods. They had been cut off from the outside world for eleven months. Jan Mohammed was not given a letter from his family until three days before his release. The returned men say there are three kinds of people being held at Camp Delta: real fighters, those forced to fight and innocent Afghans who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. [BBC2] Why are you talking about Guantanamo? | ||
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Agone
American Samoa231 Posts
[QUOTE] What about arming the talibans for example? If you don't have any clue about the actions of the USA durind these 20 last years, why do you try to discuss them? You have some serious reading comprehension problem too. Where did I say it was justified? you don't know the difference between "having responsability" and "beeing justified"? If you hit someone in the face, you will have some responsability in the fact that he will hit you back. That doesn't mean that his action was justified[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Oh jeez. The US armed the Taliban against the USSR. They armed Bin Laden against the USSR. And because of this Bin Laden attacks them? Erm... and then you call me clueless. Well, unless you believe the USSR was behind 9/11 (I swear they built a fucking time machine) I can't see how the Taliban would hold that particular incident in American history as a grudge. I mean of all the things that piss me off most, recieving free weapons in the middle of a war probably isn't near the top. That leads me to conclude that my grasp of history is infinitely superior to yours. In the way that I am right. And you are wrong. [/QUOTE] I begin to think you lack any ability to resonate. The Talibans didn't care USA helped them; you see some people are not exactly rational or intelligent or they would not be terrorists. But they get the power to turn against USA because USA helped them in the first place. One more time i'm ashamed by the fact that you, who pretend to fight terrorism, see no probleme in the fact that USA helped a group of terrorist killing people and enslaving women; But yes they were Russians so that's not an issue. You have no real respect for the human life. You just respect what is good for you and then try to cover it. [QUOTE] Oh, and you brought Iranian sanctions into it. And suggested American was wrong to stop Iran getting nuclear material. And then I pointed out the leader of Iran is committed to the destruction of Israel. And then I suggested he was possibly a bad person to let have nuclear material (same reason we wouldn't give it to Hitler, or any other mad antisemite). The Iran nuclear issue is entirely to do with Israel. We get to choose between Iranian nuclear capacity and Israel. We can't have both.[/QUOTE] Where did I said the Americans were wrong to stop Iran? I said that you have no probleme to punish a population when you disagree with the actions of their government (Iran) but at the same time you find that the USA population is innocent of what its government has done... | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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staRt.toDaY
Germany38 Posts
"They beat him, stripped him naked, drugged him, and gave him an enema. He was then dressed in a diaper and a jumpsuit, and flown on a Boeing 737 N313P to Baghdad, then immediately to "the salt pit", a covert CIA interrogation centre in Afghanistan which contained prisoners from Pakistan, Tanzania, Yemen and Saudi Arabia." You`ve been talking about if treating "terrorists" in an unlawful way a lot, but thats not the point (well, not the main point). the point is that unblemished citizens, like Khalid are being kidnapped, tortured. when they finally realised they were fucking with an innocent person what did they do? "They flew him out of Afghanistan and released him at night on a desolate road in Albania, without apology, or funds to return home" nice going usa. same story with another german based "terrorist" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz "Kurnaz is one of the detainees who has alleged that he was subject to interrogation techniques that included suffocation by drowning, sexual humiliation, and the desecration of his religion." again, in the end no charges were made, he did nothing wrong. nevertheless they had him transported to germany bond and gagged -guantanamostlye. "k, we tortured and imprisoned you for no reason for years, whatever fuck you, we´re still gonna humiliate you now fuck off...." and these guys did nothing wrong, they just were on the wrong place at the wrong time, this could be any of us . this shit can´t be right. | ||
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Servolisk
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