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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 20:47:06
February 19 2013 20:42 GMT
#541
EDIT: Nevermind.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42609 Posts
February 19 2013 20:46 GMT
#542
On February 20 2013 05:40 ArcticFox wrote:
This thread has too much arguing and gender politics, and not enough stories. I'll tell my 2nd worst breakup story to get us back on track. This one's far less depressing than my last one, I promise.

You're right. I'll stick to this and enforce it. Let's get it back on topic.
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SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 20:47:25
February 19 2013 20:46 GMT
#543
On February 20 2013 05:42 Ghostcom wrote:
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On February 20 2013 05:17 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 20 2013 05:07 Ghostcom wrote:
On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry.


Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain.

Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you?


"This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls.

"Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships.

Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up.


Can you point out to me the point in there where I said all women? And uh yeah, I've said from the very beginning that cold-hearted opportunism is BAD for relationships. What it's NOT bad for is the woman's own self-interests. There is a huge difference between the two. Hence, why from the beginning I've advocated men also turn to cold-hearted opportunism to advance THEIR own self-interests, because we live in a society that promotes self-interest.

Your analysis is just awful. So is your interpretation of my dialogue with Kukaracha. He was flexing his e-peen when he made several derisive remarks towards me and talked about how successful he is in life, etc. Had nothing to do with living happily with a nice gf. But cherrypicking to push your own agenda is obviously your drug of choice, so keep on keeping on.


If a guy came up to you and said: "The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales" as an agreement to another guy saying "woman are just out to screw you over" would you honestly not take that as to mean all women? Are you communicative skills really that terrible? Do you even have a straight face right now?

And Kukaracha was not flexing his e-peen - he was giving you an anecdote about how you were wrong in your generalization as a counter to the anecdote on which you based it on. For some reasons your anecdotes are the only ones worth anything though and everyone else is either whiteknighting, facepalm-worthy, bright-eyed bushy tailed, or using the wrong premises.

The best part is how you are now trying to use the morals are subjective card and we shouldn't judge you by ours - yet throughout this thread you have had no problems about calling others naive for their morals and declare society to be rotten and decaying because it does not conform to your ideas - and to top it all of we should all feel sorry for you for you not being able to date "boring" girls. You then proceed to outright dismiss everyone who stated that they were able to find all you described in a stable relationship. You have nothing to support your arguments. You might not be a misogynist, but you are a very sad little man who throughout this thread has done his very best to belittle those of us who have a differing view on women from yours. Who believe that women are no worse than men, that their actions are easily as logical as mens and that no, the vast majority of them are in fact not out to screw over their male counterparts. I feel incredibly sorry for you.


This thread is about anecdotal experiences. I shared my own anecdotal experiences. Then I gave my opinion for why I think those experiences came about. Then suddenly the white knights descended to tell me I was wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences, and that when I shared them I was referring to all women.

If you can't see how that's insane, then you're the one I feel incredibly sorry for.

Edit: I will abide by Kwark's latest post and stop going off-topic. This is my last post not related to actual thread title.
XiaoXiaoo
Profile Joined October 2012
Switzerland20 Posts
February 19 2013 21:09 GMT
#544
here's somethin that isn't the "worst", but has a touch of karma to it :D

back in senior year of high school, 2 friends of mine (boy and girl) really liked each other and the guy asked the girl to prom on valentines day by making a poster and putting it on the fence surrounding the tennis field where the girl practiced. they happily got with one another until around a month before prom.

the girl then decides to cheat on the guy, and i knew about it but couldn't bring myself to tell him, (they were both my friends...). feeling bad for the guy, i asked another of my friends if she could go to prom with the guy, knowing that eventually either she will tell him, or i will have to. unfortunately, he finds out himself while hanging out with me and some friends in town and seeing the girl entering the movies with the other guy. he gets all angry and pissed about it, but absolves to be a gentlemen about it and goes to break up with the girl. the girl, having already seen the other guy for over a month, doesn't care in the least, and the guy decides not to attend prom. my other friend, jess, who i asked earlier voluntarily approaches him and asks him out to prom, and he agrees after a bit of persuasion, (both by me and jess).

the girl who cheated on my friend resumes going out with the other guy jake. eventually jake gets around to asking the girl out to prom, but does so by just saying "you're going to prom with me right?". the girl, apparently spoiled by my friend(?) gets angry at jake and starts b*tching out on facebook about how jake is lazy and uncreative. jake hardly cares, breaks up with her, and quickly snatches up a different date for prom. at the end, we all stopped talking to the girl, and she wasted her dress that she rented for prom 3 months prior, while we all happily went to prom and enjoyed after prom in florida.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 19 2013 22:45 GMT
#545
My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.

So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it

Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.

Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text.
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Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 23:04:29
February 19 2013 23:00 GMT
#546
On February 20 2013 05:40 ArcticFox wrote:
This thread has too much arguing and gender politics, and not enough stories. I'll tell my 2nd worst breakup story to get us back on track. This one's far less depressing than my last one, I promise.

Intro:
+ Show Spoiler +
In my early 20s I was fairly into blogging, and one of the blogs I happened to friend back then was a woman named Charlotte, who happened to live fairly close by. We tossed flirty messages back and forth for months before deciding to meet up. On Valentine's Day of all days for a first date. Well, when I met up with her, let's just say her photo didn't match her appearance for one, and she's definitely one of the types that had to be in front of her keyboard and have time to think up something witty -- she was quite slow on her feet. I went to her apartment to pick her up, and got to sit and chill with her roommates while she was getting ready. One of the girls she was living with was named Anne. Anne, on the other hand, had a sharp tongue and the geek cred to match -- I saw Dragonlance novels on the bookshelf, and when she claimed they were hers, I knew I had to get to know her a little better.

Went to see a movie (nooooooooo) with Charlotte (double nooooooooo) and it was 2 hours of just pure misery. Not to mention I'd already seen the movie before, but being Valentine's Day, the only movie she wanted to see was Hitch. Being a gentleman, I toughed it out. Needless to say, Charlotte and I weren't clicking at all. Did I mention that through this whole day I was fighting a headcold and trying to find a good excuse to go home?

I ended up somehow spending the whole day at their apartment, playing cards, board games, watching movies, etc. At one point, there ended up being a water pistol fight where Anne and myself got teamed up against Charlotte and their other roommate. Well, we got holed up in her bedroom holding off the onslaught, got to talking, and before we knew it, the rest of the house was asleep. Anne and I talked until something like 3am, where we kissed (and yes, she totally caught my cold and was sick for a week after this -- of which I heard no end of.) and I left.


Intro TL;DR: Pulled off a perfectly executed roommate switch on the day I met her. It was a thing of beauty.

---------------------------------------------------

Story to break-up:
+ Show Spoiler +
Anne was every bit the geek I expected her to be -- very much a bookworm, played D&D, gaming nerd, the whole works. She was also devoutly religious. Problem for some, but being the same religion as she, plus being in an area where that's pretty much the norm, wasn't even an issue.

Until about a month later...

We'd been on a few dates by then, had fooled around a bit, and I could tell I was the more experienced of the two this time around (as in, she had zero). One night, we got back from a date night at the local gaming store, the mood was just right, we started making out, and really getting into it. All of her roommates were gone, home for the weekend or something, where we knew we had the place to ourselves.

I led her into the bedroom, we started stripping each other down, I went down on her, she went down on me (her first time, had to guide her a bit), and then when I was about to move things a little further....

"WAIT, wait wait, hold on..."

Both of us naked, sweating, turned on, she's wet as can be and I'm ready to go myself, and she goes on a diatribe about how she really believes she should save herself for marriage (not completely unexpected....), and how she didn't think she could help herself around me (ok.....?), and that she needed to break it off with me before she did something she would regret. (...............)

How exactly do you react to that? I mean, we'd only been dating a month, so I hadn't had time to become really "in love" or anything yet, but maybe you could come to that conclusion sometime *before* we're naked and about to have sex, right?

Of course, I got dressed, while she's sitting there just repeating how sorry she is, and how she "couldn't stand to be touched by anyone, until she met me and I changed all that" and all this stuff, but was still breaking up with me. It was an extremely awkward few minutes, for sure.

I haven't talked to her since that night, but from what I hear from our mutual friends, she ended up marrying the next guy she dated in something like 4 months. And divorcing him a year later.

Less attachment, shorter story, that's why it doesn't make the #1. Thinking now, this might actually be #3 or 4 on the list.


I think it is interesting to discuss the prospect of individuals who hold the value of waiting for marriage before they have sex. If that is what you want to do then all the power to you but I find a good amount then rush their relationships and get married too quickly just to do it. Then after a few months the couples don't get along the same and divorce just as fast as they got married. Am I wrong on this train of thought?

This Anne chick sounds really cool but I think you might have dodged a bullet.


TOO ADD: @Xiao.... That chick got everything she deserved! The difference between USA and Canada is I find Americans put way more thought into prom than Canadians. Our prom was awesome don't get me wrong, everyone got suits/dresses for the occasion but it wasn't put on as pedestal quite like what I read about in American high schools.
JTouche
Profile Joined August 2010
United States239 Posts
February 19 2013 23:42 GMT
#547
Worst breakup... 5 minutes ago with the best girl I've ever known in my entire life. I just didn't love her anymore... So after 2 years I decided to let her go and allow some other guy to give her what I could never...
Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence. ~Eric Fromm
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 20 2013 02:20 GMT
#548
On February 20 2013 01:24 Shelke14 wrote:
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On February 20 2013 01:17 Telcontar wrote:
I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there.....


Alright, I'll bite........... You have got my attention with that line, please details.

Oh, I was just talking about the whole Oscar Pistorius affair. Of course I don't know cases of that nature by first or even second hand experience. Not sure if the killing was premeditated or an accident, but I doubt there are more tragic ways to end a relationship.
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SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
February 20 2013 02:26 GMT
#549
On February 20 2013 07:45 MattBarry wrote:
My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.

So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it

Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.

Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text.


Wait, I don't get it. He was your best friend or your bro? And why was the Chinese guy there? How did he respond to the girl sitting in front? And why didn't he dance with her at prom? Did he try and get rejected or? She probably should have been honest about it before prom and been more gracious about the breakup afterwards but these are kids so oh well. At least your Chinese friend was real nice and got you all dinner!
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 20 2013 03:16 GMT
#550
On February 20 2013 11:26 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 07:45 MattBarry wrote:
My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.

So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it

Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.

Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text.


Wait, I don't get it. He was your best friend or your bro? And why was the Chinese guy there? How did he respond to the girl sitting in front? And why didn't he dance with her at prom? Did he try and get rejected or? She probably should have been honest about it before prom and been more gracious about the breakup afterwards but these are kids so oh well. At least your Chinese friend was real nice and got you all dinner!

I just call him my bro cause we're close like brother. Yeah, we were going to pay for the meal but his mom is like the sweetest lady ever. Yeah he tried and got rejected, I sort of expect him to act like a pussy though
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Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
February 20 2013 03:24 GMT
#551
Mine was self caused.
Basically I was in a relationship that was doomed to end (she will soon be going off to canada for college) and we had tenatively agreed to continue our relationship until she left (sometime in aug.) Basically, unknown to me, I was getting rather clingy around her and she didnt like that, she wasnt particularly great at communicating things to me so I, being the oblivious bumbling idiot that I am didnt notice or catch on. When she finally said it needed to end, I dragged it out two more weeks saying I would fix things when I was unaware of the problems, then I dragged it on two more with a "break" where I broke the silence early and pissed her off to no end.
Tl;DR she basically doesnt even want to be freinds with me anymore and I miss the hell out of her, considering I thought we would be life-long friends.
Sigh...
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LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
February 20 2013 03:55 GMT
#552
On February 20 2013 12:24 Maasked wrote:
Mine was self caused.
Basically I was in a relationship that was doomed to end (she will soon be going off to canada for college) and we had tenatively agreed to continue our relationship until she left (sometime in aug.) Basically, unknown to me, I was getting rather clingy around her and she didnt like that, she wasnt particularly great at communicating things to me so I, being the oblivious bumbling idiot that I am didnt notice or catch on. When she finally said it needed to end, I dragged it out two more weeks saying I would fix things when I was unaware of the problems, then I dragged it on two more with a "break" where I broke the silence early and pissed her off to no end.
Tl;DR she basically doesnt even want to be freinds with me anymore and I miss the hell out of her, considering I thought we would be life-long friends.
Sigh...


i feel ya man. I broke up with a girl 2 years ago who was going to school 5 hours away and shit wasn't working. still miss her, even though we haven't spoken, apart from me texting her when her friend died, in 2 years. I keep wanting to reach out to her, but I know she'll reject me...
:-)
yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
February 20 2013 04:05 GMT
#553
Breaking up before a big day like bday or vday or christmas is horrible, but I guess it works out for the better in the long run
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
February 20 2013 04:14 GMT
#554
I'll tell a story I've briefly recapped in a blog of mine.

I started dating a girl senior year of high school, things were brilliant. We clicked, so much so that when she opted to go to school in Chicago and I decided to stay in Minneapolis I wanted to make it work. For two and half years, one of which she spent in Illinois, we migrated back and forth until she ultimately moved back to the Twin Cities. In the course of those years, we split up twice, both were initiated by me.

The first was me being 18 and stupid, the second was me being 20 and stupid.

ca. 2009 things started to hit rocky territory. She had few friends, and by that I mean ≈3, beyond me. I took issue with this and things had hit a definite plateau. Her having no social outlets beyond me posed serious issues to both her and my social/personal lives. Combine this with more intimate factors, what followed in the final breakup was the analogy I use for a lot of long term relationships: a skipping stone. Each time the stone hits the water, it will bounce for a period of time but never as long as the bounce before.

Things ended as I left to study abroad in China. She offered to allow me a, "what happens in China stays in China," policy which I could not respect myself were I to indulge it. It is safe to say I've still some amount of feelings for her, though not anywhere near what it was. Our contact waned over the course of the years, until recently I found out she was dating my best friend.

Since finding that tidbit out I have since drastically cut back contact with both. As much for me as for the respect and distance I should allow them and their relationship. It wasn't and isn't my place to interfere with what they have, I just can't bring myself to be around it. That is really the kicker for me all these years later.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
February 20 2013 08:45 GMT
#555
On February 18 2013 12:55 tokicheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 12:26 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 18 2013 12:16 Xiphos wrote:
On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."

This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.

Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.

What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.

Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.

TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you.


I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played.


Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?".

I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess.

But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve.

So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves.

Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple.


Yes, this is all true. But this only pertains to the dating phase. Once you put a ring on it, ALL of that shit about her looking good goes out the window. You can't divorce a woman in America for being fat or ugly (unfortunately). I can't tell you how many attractive girls I know who got married and made a mad dash for the dessert bar and proceeded to pack on the pounds like there's no tomorrow. Literally, I can think of seven girls off the top of my head who haven't changed their facebook profile pics in 5 years. Now that's not a very big sample size, but by all accounts I've heard this is not very uncommon.

And what can the man do about it? Divorce her? Cue the lawyers, settlement money, garnered paychecks etc. And this is even for women who don't bear any children!! Dude, we get raped so hard nowadays. I just don't get why more men aren't up in arms about it. We're expected to be handsome, stylish, wealthy, cultured, supportive, romantic, caring, and absolute Casanovas in bed. And women are expected to do what? Are there even expectations put on a woman anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an article with a headline like "What Women Should Do As Wives." But I see a thousand and one articles about the opposite.

Not trying to be mean here, but yes, some women are not as demanding. And those women are either fat, ugly, absolutely terrible in the sack, or all three. A girl who is attractive, sexual, and well-educated demands an absolute god. Notice I didn't say she demands an attractive, sexual, and well-educated man. Because she doesn't. She demands MORE, much more.

Whats really fucked up is that if a man wants a divorce he loses half of his shit. Understandable to an extent imo.

If a woman fucks 10 random people gives you aids and then wants to leave you after giving her a kidney she stills takes half your shit.


Its half her shit too.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 09:47:28
February 20 2013 09:01 GMT
#556
On February 20 2013 05:46 SamsungStar wrote:
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On February 20 2013 05:42 Ghostcom wrote:
On February 20 2013 05:17 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 20 2013 05:07 Ghostcom wrote:
On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:
On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry.


Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain.

Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you?


"This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls.

"Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships.

Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up.


Can you point out to me the point in there where I said all women? And uh yeah, I've said from the very beginning that cold-hearted opportunism is BAD for relationships. What it's NOT bad for is the woman's own self-interests. There is a huge difference between the two. Hence, why from the beginning I've advocated men also turn to cold-hearted opportunism to advance THEIR own self-interests, because we live in a society that promotes self-interest.

Your analysis is just awful. So is your interpretation of my dialogue with Kukaracha. He was flexing his e-peen when he made several derisive remarks towards me and talked about how successful he is in life, etc. Had nothing to do with living happily with a nice gf. But cherrypicking to push your own agenda is obviously your drug of choice, so keep on keeping on.


If a guy came up to you and said: "The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales" as an agreement to another guy saying "woman are just out to screw you over" would you honestly not take that as to mean all women? Are you communicative skills really that terrible? Do you even have a straight face right now?

And Kukaracha was not flexing his e-peen - he was giving you an anecdote about how you were wrong in your generalization as a counter to the anecdote on which you based it on. For some reasons your anecdotes are the only ones worth anything though and everyone else is either whiteknighting, facepalm-worthy, bright-eyed bushy tailed, or using the wrong premises.

The best part is how you are now trying to use the morals are subjective card and we shouldn't judge you by ours - yet throughout this thread you have had no problems about calling others naive for their morals and declare society to be rotten and decaying because it does not conform to your ideas - and to top it all of we should all feel sorry for you for you not being able to date "boring" girls. You then proceed to outright dismiss everyone who stated that they were able to find all you described in a stable relationship. You have nothing to support your arguments. You might not be a misogynist, but you are a very sad little man who throughout this thread has done his very best to belittle those of us who have a differing view on women from yours. Who believe that women are no worse than men, that their actions are easily as logical as mens and that no, the vast majority of them are in fact not out to screw over their male counterparts. I feel incredibly sorry for you.


This thread is about anecdotal experiences. I shared my own anecdotal experiences. Then I gave my opinion for why I think those experiences came about. Then suddenly the white knights descended to tell me I was wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences, and that when I shared them I was referring to all women.

I'll quickly respond to this to end this discussion so the rest of the posts in the thread can be on-topic. Nobody is saying you're wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences - and you know this too, so that's an obvious strawman from your part to make your opposition look bad. What I and others criticized was your sweeping, sexist and completely disconnected from reality generalizations about "most women", that you paint as cold-hearted cheating gold diggers, while calling the remaining few decent ones ugly and with a tendency to get fat. I addressed your ridiculous statements in my post on page 23, and your only response was a derogatory remark, in a reply to someone else, dismissing my post as probably not worth reading instead of either ignoring it or actually responding to it. Hey, feel free to be wrong about women, men, and relationships between the two, but don't act all surprised when you get called on your misogynistic and completely false generalizations after making them on a public forum. It has nothing to do with white-knighting and everything to do with giving you a reality check.

edit: sorry KwarK, it was the last off-topic post ,-)

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Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 09:26:07
February 20 2013 09:24 GMT
#557
I dated a girl for eight months last year. She was short, cute, and kind of nerdy (mainly played Mario). We had incredible, wild sex. She let me do pretty much whatever I wanted in bed. So it was perfect, or what I thought perfect would be.

A little after the eight month mark I decided to call it off because she was a really negative person who had a lot of issues. Her family life was really messed up, she couldn't hold a job, she was completely dependent on her dad and she had no real direction in life. I realized I needed more than a cute nerdy girl who played video games, I needed a strong and independent woman with an education and clear career goals.

I called her one evening and asked her to come over so we could talk. Sat her down and laid it out. She got really upset, kept arguing with me and refusing to accept my decision. After a few hours of this I finally walked her out of my apartment to her car. She cried some more and I eventually had to walk away. As I was walking away she kept screaming my name and begging me not to go. It was really heartbreaking but also kind of pathetic.

We hooked up a few times over the course of the next month and her life got progressively shittier. She lost the job I got her for the company I work at because she kept showing up looking like crap and in a bad mood (she was a hostess at a restaurant so her ONE job was to look pretty and smile). She kept getting drunk and getting into trouble and trying to drag me into it so finally I told her not to call me again. Haven't heard from her since.

I've since found an incredible woman who is far more beautiful, far more intelligent, has a degree in business and is working her way up in the hotel industry. Thinking back on that relationship, I realize I would have been settling.
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
February 20 2013 21:45 GMT
#558
A couple of friends of mine had a break up so bad we ended up all breaking up, them as a couple and us as friends. I had been best friends with the guy for like 12 years and friends with the girl for about 5 years. The problem with them was they didn't just break up they had at least a solid year of breaking up and they would drag all of their friends in the middle of it. They were constantly fighting, the guy left me stranded somewhere once because of it, the girl kept me up all hours of the night crying on the phone when I told her I had to be at work very early the next morning. The girl smashed the guy's windshield because she caught him cheating and she ended up apologizing and they got back together the next day and she bought him a new windshield. She caught him cheating again and went cry on another friend's shoulder when he had a big exam the next morning and told her she could stay but he was going to bed and he wakes up the next morning to see the two of them sleeping together and later he finds out they fucked on his couch that night. So it wasn't any one event, you could say it was the windshield event, but sadly that wasn't the end of it, so overall it was a very bad break up that I had to witness over the course of a year or so. Not just me, but all their friends got so tired of it we all stopped talking to both of them.
BillClinton
Profile Joined November 2009
232 Posts
February 22 2013 11:13 GMT
#559
I never understand these relationships where they break up every 3 monthes and then come back together just to break up again.. this is so horrible, even for the friends
Before you judge sth, keep in mind that the less you know about sth, the more that what you think or pretend to know about it, it says about yourself and your environment.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
February 22 2013 11:54 GMT
#560
This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.

After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.

In the end he left her and went back to partying.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
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