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Now that Burn-a-hole-in-your-pocket-for-your-partner-Day! Valentine's Day is over, maybe we can talk about the other side of love, the dark, unpleasant, and painful part. The part where love ends, at least for one party. The break up!
What the worst kind of bad breakup that you have experienced or known or witnessed?
Yesterday, I was having a post-Valentines date with a very good friend (bought her chocolates at 50% off!). We were having a pleasant night (not romantic, but the kind where you both have known each other for more than 10 years, so...) when we observed a couple across the table. It was an outdoor restaurant so it was a bit noisy with people having a free reign on the volumes of their voices. Suddenly, there was a loud but crying. From the dude. We tried not to watch but it was difficult not to. She was just cold and firm, nodding her head, and he was crying, holding her hands (which she obviously didn't seem to like), and he was begging, saying something like "we've been together for 7 years". It went like this for maybe an hour. Finally, and this was the worst thing, he begged on his knees. She hurriedly stood up and just left. Damn what a heartbreaker than situation was. Awkward silence in the restaurant until he left.
Maybe they should have done it somewhere more private? Also it seems that he didn't know about it. Breakup etiquettes should be taught somewhere in college.
Share your experience.
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Worst was what happened to my ex-gf. I've always wanted to kind of find her and apologize.
It wasn't a very serious relationship, but it had lasted two years or so. Towards the end though it was long-distance. My now wife, heh, picked up one of her phone calls and told her we that my then gf and I were done because we were going to start dating soon. 8 years later and we're married now, but still I think that's the worst way to be broken up with. We were young ;x
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what you witnessed was just foreplay.
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This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair.
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You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
 Come on...
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You should always break up with style.
This is my real life strategy, did it maybe 5 times.
Meet her at an expensive restaurant, somewhere that she won't be at normally, so less memories.
Appear somber the whole time. Have something to eat, talk pleasantly, but not happily.
Pay the bill. Give her a farewell gift. Bid her farewell, and leave.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
what the hell, i laughed for real
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Love it!
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Well, from what I experienced, my ex gf texted me that it was over. I asked her why, she just said that I'll know soon enough. Next day her friends posted a picture on facebook with her ex and they were saying things like "omg finally", "perfect couple" etc etc. The worst part is her ex is, by all accounts, gay. Needless to say, my self-esteem and manhood is at an all time low after that
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Damn...
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
I lold.
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On February 16 2013 22:12 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
You should always break up with style.
This is my real life strategy, did it maybe 5 times.
Meet her at an expensive restaurant, somewhere that she won't be at normally, so less memories.
Appear somber the whole time. Have something to eat, talk pleasantly, but not happily.
Pay the bill. Give her a farewell gift. Bid her farewell, and leave.
Pretty classy. Il keep this in my back pocket.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
That is golden. I dont even care if u made that up
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
dude i'm sleeping next to my gf and im silently laughing rocking the bed as i can't control myself. the tears lol
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
oh dear god...
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
we have a winner, no we can close the thread.
Hillarious sh!t
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
dang son......XD
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ok i've got to leave the room before i wake her lol.
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My first GF loved me very much but after a while I wanted to be free again. I couldnt man myself up enough to meet her so I decided Id pussy out and call. I found that hard to do too, so for some reason I started doing it when I was at a party slightly inebriated. So I start talking to her, say what I couldnt say to her face, then suddenly some asshole snaps the phone out of my hand, locks himself in the bathroom and starts breaking up for me. After I actually get the phone back, I start apologizing and explaining but she wont have any of it (rightfully so). So she just says, "Espen, I thought you were better than this" *click*. Her best friend was a girl I knew, and she hated my guts so I guess it was pretty bad. She (ex) couldnt bring herself to meet me in over six months, even though I wanted to so I could apologize in person. When I met her she had gained a lot weight, dyed her hair black and gotten a lot of piercings, the typical "Fuck life" routine, so I guess it must have been pretty hard on her.
I mean, we were only kids back then (I 16, she 15) butI m still ashamed of the way I did that.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Wahahahaahahahaha!! Thanks man long time since i laughed that hard :D
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I knew I guy that had a girlfriend before he was going away to a different place for 2 years (mormon missionary...) She was all like "I'll wait for you and not be with any other guy for 2 years!" She kept sending him e-mails and letters and then, after about 6 months it all stopped. He was getting suspicious and loosing hope. 1 year later he finally got a letter from the girl. Not only had she started dating another guy. She had married another guy and then they had also got a divorce because all she could think about was the guy who was away... He did not even know how to start interpreting what had occurred...
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Best thing is that comment combined with your nickname....
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On February 16 2013 23:10 Xiphias wrote:
I knew I guy that had a girlfriend before he was going away to a different place for 2 years (mormon missionary...) She was all like "I'll wait for you and not be with any other guy for 2 years!" She kept sending him e-mails and letters and then, after about 6 months it all stopped. He was getting suspicious and loosing hope. 1 year later he finally got a letter from the girl. Not only had she started dating another guy. She had married another guy and then they had also got a divorce because all she could think about was the guy who was away... He did not even know how to start interpreting what had occurred...
lol what the fuuuuuuck ahaha
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Sounds pretty damn similar to mine. Although the thing is I've never known if she actually slept around or not, but turns out the guy I suspected she slept with is her current boyfriend now anyway, so meh. They got together a month or two after we broke up too. I think she did it to get back at me because she knew I was having a hard time but I was still meeting new girls etc so to continue to make me feel like shit she went out with that guy.
Ah well, life sucks. Actually, just love.
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
either youre trying too hard or youre a real douche...
oh and this thread is about breakups not how badass you wish you were(btw you really should change your idea of badassery)
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in hindsight this really wasn't that bad, but i was in college when it happened. i had been dating this chick (i went to school in san diego) for about 3 months. she said that she had been "burned before" so she wasnt givin anything up. i went home to boston for winter break and proceeded to commence the drinking and smokin with all my highschool friends. one of my good friends came to my apartment in boston for a party i was having (my dad lived at the apartment part time, he wasnt there so i threw a big new years party) and she brought her friend from college. we immediately hit it off and i could tell she liked me cuz my friend told me so. now im a pretty nice guy, i dont cheat, and im not a dick to females so my conscious wouldnt let me cheat on my gf. I called her up just before midnight eastern time and told her i met someone else and we were threw. 15 minutes later i was ringing in the new year in style (que quagmire alright)
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On February 16 2013 23:32 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... either youre trying too hard or youre a real douche... oh and this thread is about breakups not how badass you wish you were(btw you really should change your idea of badassery)
She cheated on him; he never did the same on her. Why is he the douche here?
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The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic.
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Since we are sharing stories , I'll keep mine simple and for a change it actually has a happy ending 
Boy goes to college and meets girl , a few weeks later boy asks girl out , girl goes out with boy , they develop feelings for each other over the course of 4 years whilst dating , boy asks girl to marry him , bitch says no because she thinks the boy can't make her happy on the long run , she can't trust him with her future and she loves someone else.
Devastated by this , the boy decides to use the money he saved for their "future" and starts a business , 3 years later he is rich as fuck , fulfilling his dreams , living life to it's fullest , meanwhile the bitch married the other cock sucking motherfucker , they got divorced 4 months later , she's stuck with a kid , can't get a date and doesn't have a dime to her name .
The end. True_Story.jpg
Life is a bitch ain't it ?
But on a more serious side , a rejected proposal is not something I wish for anyone , I was reading through the OP and it got my memory active again , being on one knee , spilling a heart worth of feelings out , ring in hand , poping the question , and then that awkward silence that lasts for a few seconds but feels like an eternity , and then the rejection......worst experience of my life , doesn't matter how good things turned out for me , and how bad it turned out for her , in the end that experience is just fucked up.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Before reading your post, only the word MMA caught my eye. I expected this to be BoxeR/Jessica/MMA love triangle fanfic. What I found instead was somehow even better?
Either way this is one of the posts that deserves to be remembered years after the fact! GJ!
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed.
Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend.
Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit.
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On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic.
Would you interfere in a fight between a guy who's done Taekwondo at state level and another guy even though it had nothing to do with you? Everyone probably knew what a douche the guy was (the one who had sex with the guys gf) so they didn't call the police cause he probably had it coming anyway.
Can't say I've had the exact same experience but sometimes you can just tell when somethings off and something weird has happened. You guys need to chill.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
Well played ;D
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When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
dude u r so cool can we trade lives?
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On February 17 2013 00:04 Sephyr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Would you interfere in a fight between a guy who's done Taekwondo at state level and another guy even though it had nothing to do with you? Everyone probably knew what a douche the guy was (the one who had sex with the guys gf) so they didn't call the police cause he probably had it coming anyway. Can't say I've had the exact same experience but sometimes you can just tell when somethings off and something weird has happened. You guys need to chill.
kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class
something is made up here.
1) if you "kick the living shit out" of someone, there will be serious injuries like broken bones, lost teeth, blood etc.
2) A teacher was present - a teacher would never care what the reason for the beating is - just call the police, especially if it is as serious as described in point 1. A beating is never just in a legal sense, doesn't matter if he slept with someone elses gf or murdered the pope. And how would everyone know about this in the first place? So much for the point "he had it coming".
3) they way I witnessed brawls with just 2 people involved in front of a crowd, the crowd will always try to seperate the 2 opponents.
So I call bullshit on all this. This is hugely exagerrated for showing off how much of a badass he is.
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Wow, no offence, but you sound like one creepy motherfucker. And Taekwondo doesn't impress anyone either.
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac
Huh..
On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
that lost her virginity waaaay too late
Uhh... such a thing doesn't actually exist?
On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno
Wow, are you like 15 or something? Way to be shallow as fuck dude.
On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
This has to be a troll or a bait... it just has to be. -_-
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
You're SCV icon has now been upgraded to an ass icon. Congratulations, ass HoLe.
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On February 17 2013 00:15 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier. dude u r so cool can we trade lives?
Obviously not, trading lives is impossible, do you even lift?
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On February 17 2013 00:18 polarwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:04 Sephyr wrote:On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Would you interfere in a fight between a guy who's done Taekwondo at state level and another guy even though it had nothing to do with you? Everyone probably knew what a douche the guy was (the one who had sex with the guys gf) so they didn't call the police cause he probably had it coming anyway. Can't say I've had the exact same experience but sometimes you can just tell when somethings off and something weird has happened. You guys need to chill. Show nested quote +
kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class
something is made up here. 1) if you "kick the living shit out" of someone, there will be serious injuries like broken bones, lost teeth, blood etc. 2) A teacher was present - a teacher would never care what the reason for the beating is - just call the police, especially if it is as serious as described in point 1. A beating is never just in a legal sense, doesn't matter if he slept with someone elses gf or murdered the pope. And how would everyone know about this in the first place? So much for the point "he had it coming". 3) they way I witnessed brawls with just 2 people involved in front of a crowd, the crowd will always try to seperate the 2 opponents. So I call bullshit on all this. This is hugely exagerrated for showing off how much of a badass he is.
Not sure what country or planet you live on bro, but the max you get for assault (unless you severely hurt someone) is a warning/fine or probation. All that effort for something he had coming, why would you bother?
Sure, the teacher should've done something but normally in schools fights are left for the school to deal with. Again, not sure where you live or whatever but it's pretty rare for people that will actually jump into a brawl and try to break it up unless they've done some sort of training themselves. Not many people would want to risk hurting themselves for absolutely nothing. You should probably join the Facebook group "Craziest fights" or whatever it's called. Watch the videos and tell me how many people actually try and break it up.
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On February 17 2013 00:30 Sephyr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:18 polarwolf wrote:On February 17 2013 00:04 Sephyr wrote:On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Would you interfere in a fight between a guy who's done Taekwondo at state level and another guy even though it had nothing to do with you? Everyone probably knew what a douche the guy was (the one who had sex with the guys gf) so they didn't call the police cause he probably had it coming anyway. Can't say I've had the exact same experience but sometimes you can just tell when somethings off and something weird has happened. You guys need to chill.
kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class
something is made up here. 1) if you "kick the living shit out" of someone, there will be serious injuries like broken bones, lost teeth, blood etc. 2) A teacher was present - a teacher would never care what the reason for the beating is - just call the police, especially if it is as serious as described in point 1. A beating is never just in a legal sense, doesn't matter if he slept with someone elses gf or murdered the pope. And how would everyone know about this in the first place? So much for the point "he had it coming". 3) they way I witnessed brawls with just 2 people involved in front of a crowd, the crowd will always try to seperate the 2 opponents. So I call bullshit on all this. This is hugely exagerrated for showing off how much of a badass he is. Not sure what country or planet you live on bro, but the max you get for assault (unless you severely hurt someone) is a warning/fine or probation. All that effort for something he had coming, why would you bother? Sure, the teacher should've done something but normally in schools fights are left for the school to deal with. Again, not sure where you live or whatever but it's pretty rare for people that will actually jump into a brawl and try to break it up unless they've done some sort of training themselves. Not many people would want to risk hurting themselves for absolutely nothing. You should probably join the Facebook group "Craziest fights" or whatever it's called. Watch the videos and tell me how many people actually try and break it up.
lol, all fights I have been in and seen, if anyone was around they were sure as shit on top of both trying to break it up. kind of seems second nature to not allow 2 people to beat the shit out of eachother, keep the peace drama free ya know.
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This is not my story, but a friend of mine's.
He was a Colombian guy, his girlfriend was Vietnamese. They were dating about 1.5 yrs when he got her pregnant. Over the next three months they got in lots of fights over whether to get married or not, etc. He grew up Catholic so he didn't believe in abortion, but he was also jumped up on drugs, didn't have a steady job, and didn't want to get married as he was fucking around with three other girls at the same time.
One day, when he is driving her car to her work, she tells him she has set an appointment at the clinic to get an abortion. He, of course, flips out and starts screaming at her. She slaps him in the face and tells him it's her body. So he rages out and drives her car straight into a tree. She hits her head really hard on the dashboard and starts crying as her nose bleeds. He screams like a madman at her, saying it's all her fault, then gets out of the car and just runs away down the street. Needless to say, they broke up.
Three months later, they got back together. She kept the baby  .
I know this story coz the girl called me the next day to tell me how terrible my friend is and how he is a psychotic asshole piece of shit. After I got all the juicy details, I said I'm sorry to hear that happened, but what she just told me is exactly the reason why I love that guy and consider him a great friend. She hung up on me. It stung, just a little.
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On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that!
I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ.
Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy.
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Was dating a girl and she broke it off while still admitting she liked me a lot but needed to get away from the relationship because it was too soon after she broke up with her ex of 7 years. I admit, maybe it was too soon.
She we remained friends but still close and sometimes intimate until finally she moved abroad for a year for contract work and also to get away from the relationship problems back home.
She said I was great and everything about me she likes but she just couldn't be with me while still thinking of the ex.
I'll admit that even though we ended things and I knew she wanted to be friends, we still talked as if we liked each other, flirty and what not. So I still thought about her a lot and hoped that when she got over her ex and came back home, we could reunite or something.
But 2 days before Valentines day, I asked her about us over Skype. She said she is completely over her EX now but she also said she only wants to move forward as friends and that she DID like me, but not now. And who she was when she was with me is not who she is now. She has no romantic feelings towards me she said and on top of all of that, she has been talking to and is interested in someone back home.
So she wanted to remain friends while she was interested in someone else. I told her I couldn't do it. To be her friend and talk casually, while later in the day, she'd be texting and flirting with another guy.
I told her, it's none of my business who she's interested in but I like her as more than a friend and want more than that and am not willing to be her male girlfriend. So if she changes her mind, she can get back to me but I'm not just a friend.
We haven't talked since.
Le sigh..
I miss her so much guys..
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On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that!
wow, that is definitely not a problem you would have in America. That dude would still be locked up.
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On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy.
i wasnt saying he was lying,was just saying he got the wrong idea of badassery/alpha male behavior/whateveryou want to call it.
the true *alpha male* wouldnt do anything he wrote.
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On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her  I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent...
Hahaha yeah, I have a somewhat similar relationship with an ex of mine that I lived with for 1 year. Consider her a really good friend, but a lot of hate between us too. And nice pix. She's quite attractive!! I can see how she'd put you through some crazy.
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On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent...
That's fucked but funny hahah
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On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent... Asian spawn of Satan lady~~ (and a little picture she drew of me when I was a kid):
How old is she? If she is below 18, posting this is illegal in all 50 states. If she is 18 or older, then maybe in 48.
She is hot though.
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Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party.
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This thread is depressingly hilarious. I feel really bad for laughing at all of the misfortune people post.
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im calling the FBI. see you in guantanemo Kaeru
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On February 17 2013 01:10 PassiveAce wrote:
im calling the FBI. see you in guantanemo Kaeru
Guantanamo*
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On February 17 2013 01:11 PassiveAce wrote:
Il see you there too MoP
Not if the Russians get to hear about this first!
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On February 17 2013 01:01 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent... Spawn of Satan~~:+ Show Spoiler + Hahaha yeah, I have a somewhat similar relationship with an ex of mine that I lived with for 1 year. Consider her a really good friend, but a lot of hate between us too. And nice pix. She's quite attractive!! I can see how she'd put you through some crazy. Oh, that's nice that you could become friends!! It's actually really cool being friends with exes... It's cool in a way! But I don't think I could ever be friends with this girl I'd like to, but wouldn't be possible.
Lol yeah, we're friends and hang out every now and then. Although a part of me suspects that she's remained friends for the purposes of trying to make me feel bad/show me up. She's got a huge chip on her shoulder about our relationship as I was her first and was uh... not very nice as a bf >_>
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On February 17 2013 01:12 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:10 PassiveAce wrote:
im calling the FBI. see you in guantanemo Kaeru See me in Guantanamo? Why are you there PassiveAce?! What u do? Are there any got girls there? I'll bring flowers and hope for the best.
I'd much rather do a TL meetup in Bangkok than Guantanamo.
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On February 17 2013 01:12 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:10 PassiveAce wrote:
im calling the FBI. see you in guantanemo Kaeru See me in Guantanamo? Why are you there PassiveAce?! What u do? Are there any got girls there? I'll bring flowers and hope for the best.
I think they have girls at abu ghraib, but not sure if ur into that. (not girls, but what the girls do at abu ghraib)
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On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party.
Early birthday gift? Ouch.
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On February 16 2013 23:48 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:32 clementdudu wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... either youre trying too hard or youre a real douche... oh and this thread is about breakups not how badass you wish you were(btw you really should change your idea of badassery) She cheated on him; he never did the same on her. Why is he the douche here?
It's not exclusive, she's probably a douche but he seems like one as well. Shame that guy didn't call the police though.
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Last girlfriend I had and I was in love with, once she realized what I felt for her, totally lost her attraction and told me I was not at her level and insulted me in both direct and subtle ways for the next 3 weeks while still giving me the feeling that we could get back together, just to have fun. I'm never going to be able to trust a girl with my feelings again after this (which I consider positive after all).
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Girlfriend and I had been on the rocks for a while... it was my first relationship so I had been very naive and did way too much shit for her... like going to her university campus every day of the week to keep her company. I had taken the bus to visit her at the library on her campus, and she told me it was over. I asked her to ride the bus back with me to the neighbourhood in which we both lived as a final favour. She said okay. However her new guy came and picked her up from the library. I saw them enter into his house together holding hands. Hell yes I knew they were about to have wild crazy sex, catalyzed by the thought of me in despair. Its just the way the sick human libido works imo.
So I screamed fuck and ran somewhat at random to a distant subway station.
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On February 17 2013 01:17 aTnClouD wrote:
Last girlfriend I had and I was in love with, once she realized what I felt for her, totally lost her attraction and told me I was not at her level and insulted me in both direct and subtle ways for the next 3 weeks while still giving me the feeling that we could get back together, just to have fun. I'm never going to be able to trust a girl with my feelings again after this (which I consider positive after all).
Been there. After 2 years as fuckbuddies, etc, when i finally start to open up to her (something that she really wanted, or that;'s what she said while i was trying to keep distance since i already had a long relationship that ended on a fucked up way and just wanted to have some casual fun), she totally goes bananas.
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On February 17 2013 01:24 JeanLuc wrote:
Girlfriend and I had been on the rocks for a while... it was my first relationship so I had been very naive and did way too much shit for her... like going to her university campus every day of the week to keep her company. I had taken the bus to visit her at the library on her campus, and she told me it was over. I asked her to ride the bus back with me to the neighbourhood in which we both lived as a final favour. She said okay. However her new guy came and picked her up from the library. I saw them enter into his house together holding hands. Hell yes I knew they were about to have wild crazy sex, catalyzed by the thought of me in despair. Its just the way the sick human libido works imo.
So I screamed fuck and ran somewhat at random to a distant subway station.
For some reason this made me feel like shit. That's just really sad man.
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On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party.
Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing.
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I'd have to say mine, I blogged about this girl for over a year. From beginning til the end.
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On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing.
I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know.
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On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know.
I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre.
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On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know.
Some of them might be people who are really into porn then? I don't know, not trying to generalize a bunch of peeps either. But hey, there are far stranger fetishes out there so who knows. Human mind is wtf.
Personally, that kind of stuff would make my fists clench and potentially get spattered with blood, if you know what I mean. I can be a bit impulsive like that, although it's hard to tell for sure if you've never been in the situation.
On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre.
Write a blog about it. Don't forget to include a link too kthx.
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Pretty heartbreaking story. It looks like you both did some pretty horrible things. Peoples' past experiences and childhoods impact them in so many ways their entire life. It's pretty fascinating.. And it helps to understand perhaps why someone is the way they are. I found that in my past relationships I used that to subtly justify or excuse the way someone was with hopes that I'd be able to change that aspect of them. But I'm still a firm believer that people need to be responsible for themselves and their actions, despite what they went through in their past.
Thanks for sharing your story
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On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre.
loooooooooooooooooool. did you find it on accident while browsing randomly or did he show it to you? either way its fucking hilarious. def write a blog about it.
I would totally bring that up at thanksgiving dinner.
"hey man I saw a movie with you in it!"
"..."
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my last relationship went down the gutter over new year's eve.
She, her brother and his gf and myself were spending new year's eve together and at some point she pretty much stopped looking at me <3 well, it was so obvious she was trying to freakin ignore me. I had no clue what the fuck was goin on.
As her brother dragged us to a bar afterwards she continued the funny behaviour and I just wanted to go home seriously... so annoying. When we finally went home she was awfully quiet and didnt take my hand etc.
Best part: Next morning (after I had a horrible sleep as I still didnt know what the fuck was going on) she spit it out: We gotta talk.
Hell yeah. thinking back now, I would have loved to know it earlier so she could have fucked off and ruin someone else's new year's eve with her absolutely stupid behaviour. Watching TV with a broken heart would have been better then the treatment she gave me back then.
There were absolutely no signs of a breakup. Typical woman. When women start thinking, and thinking and thinking, the outcome will be pretty clear and stupid, but they always fail to communicate properly and it will be the worst possible way you'll get to know her decision.
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On February 17 2013 02:06 Eisregen wrote:
my last relationship went down the gutter over new year's eve.
She, her brother and his gf and myself were spending new year's eve together and at some point she pretty much stopped looking at me <3 well, it was so obvious she was trying to freakin ignore me. I had no clue what the fuck was goin on.
As her brother dragged us to a bar afterwards she continued the funny behaviour and I just wanted to go home seriously... so annoying. When we finally went home she was awfully quiet and didnt take my hand etc.
Best part: Next morning (after I had a horrible sleep as I still didnt know what the fuck was going on) she spit it out: We gotta talk.
Hell yeah. thinking back now, I would have loved to know it earlier so she could have fucked off and ruin someone else's new year's eve with her absolutely stupid behaviour. Watching TV with a broken heart would have been better then the treatment she gave me back then.
There were absolutely no signs of a breakup. Typical woman. When women start thinking, and thinking and thinking, the outcome will be pretty clear and stupid, but they always fail to communicate properly and it will be the worst possible way you'll get to know her decision.
I feel you man.
My breakup also came really sudden.
Me and her were primary school mates but lost contact for yearsss. Then after 8 years and found her on Facebook and chatted a lot and eventually became couple once I went back to Hong Kong (I was in UK studying then)
It was successful but my holiday was only 3 months and she had to do a month exchange in Beijing.
After she got back, I picked her up in the airport and everything was fine.
Until a few days later, every call became shorter and she kept refusing to come out to meet up (I was about to go back to UK soon)
Then one day, she told me on MSN that she wanted to break up. Her reason was really ambiguous, something along the line "I don't think we should be together because I don't like myself".
But the worst break up I had was with this girl who I liked since primary school. We didn't stay in contact though after primary school though
Then what happened was after I broke up with the girl above, I went to find this girl and we chatted and hang out a bit. She told me tonnes of stuff, she said she is about to get marry with a guy she doesn't love and had a terrible break up last time.
I told her not to get married because she will be unhappy and she treated me like a boyfriend. (she also told me she had tonnes of guys after her)
Eventually they broke up and I wanted to be her boyfriend but never got together, even through she said she got rid of all the other guys that were after her.
So all together I spent about 2 years trying to get her, be as close with her as possible.
Then one day I couldn't bear it because she said she just can't get herself to love me and so I just ended it.
Only a month later, I wanted to see if she is doing fine, she told me she found a boyfriend already, 20 years older than her.
WTF
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Not really a break-up story, since those went quite amicably and painless for me so far.
I had a really, really good friend who I was very much into, much more so than vice versa. We spent loads of time together, had the same classes and even slept together while her fiancé was watching (not in a cheating way, he liked that cuckold shit).
What was so bad about our departure was the fact that from one day to the next she disappeared without saying good bye. She didn't go to classes any more, deleted her Facebook page and none of her friends knew what was up. I heard she moved away and that she's married now, but I miss her more often than any girlfriend or mate I ever knew.
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Wtf? Why did you kick the guy that was trying to warn you about her? He was doing you a favor. You just kinda sound like a douche after that :|, wrongs on both sides.
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Wtf? Why did you kick the guy that was trying to warn you about her? He was doing you a favor. You just kinda sound like a douche after that :|, wrongs on both sides.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
If your girlfriend not only cheated on you but couldn't be honest enough with you to tell you about it until someone forced her to, that's bad news. Obviously, this guy was just as wrong to sleep with your girlfriend as she was, but at least he had enough moral backbone to try to fess up.
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Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
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On February 17 2013 02:50 Kaeru wrote:Ok I have another break-up story, from when I was younger... I grew up in a town as one of the very few foreign people. Many people in this small town of 5000-6000 people hated foreigners, so we weren't very welcoming when we arrived from Iran After a while I found a friend, my neighbour. We became best friends for the next 4-5 years and spent every day with each other. He had keys to my house and I had keys to his. I was always ending up in fights with people, but I never involved him in any of them. One day I was on my way to a small hill to go sledging, it was winter and it had snowed a lot. I was going alone but when I came to the hill I saw my friend. We started talking and walked up the hill together... He was there with people in ages same as us up to 8-10 years older, they were snowboarding... They started throwing snowballs on me and call names, my friend didn't do anything but I didn't expect him to either. I just went down the hill and started walking home. After a while I looked back and saw my friend with 4-5 other people, I stopped and thought they would say "sorry" or something. I'm sure he felt bad for what happened. But my friend hit me in the face with some plastic thing, started kicking on me and the buried me in snow They laughed and walked back. I cried and walked home... We never talked again.
Now I think you are just making things up
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really? that is totally something that kids would do. (especially to the brown kid)
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On February 17 2013 02:58 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 02:50 Kaeru wrote:Ok I have another break-up story, from when I was younger... I grew up in a town as one of the very few foreign people. Many people in this small town of 5000-6000 people hated foreigners, so we weren't very welcoming when we arrived from Iran After a while I found a friend, my neighbour. We became best friends for the next 4-5 years and spent every day with each other. He had keys to my house and I had keys to his. I was always ending up in fights with people, but I never involved him in any of them. One day I was on my way to a small hill to go sledging, it was winter and it had snowed a lot. I was going alone but when I came to the hill I saw my friend. We started talking and walked up the hill together... He was there with people in ages same as us up to 8-10 years older, they were snowboarding... They started throwing snowballs on me and call names, my friend didn't do anything but I didn't expect him to either. I just went down the hill and started walking home. After a while I looked back and saw my friend with 4-5 other people, I stopped and thought they would say "sorry" or something. I'm sure he felt bad for what happened. But my friend hit me in the face with some plastic thing, started kicking on me and the buried me in snow They laughed and walked back. I cried and walked home... We never talked again. Now I think you are just making things up
I would hope so. If not then his friend was a massive faggot.
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On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we...
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On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we...
It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation.
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On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation.
Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future.
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On February 17 2013 01:59 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. loooooooooooooooooool. did you find it on accident while browsing randomly or did he show it to you? either way its fucking hilarious. def write a blog about it. I would totally bring that up at thanksgiving dinner. "hey man I saw a movie with you in it!" "..."
Lol, he linked it to me. It was his proudest moment so far in life. He wasn't the one banging though, he was just on the BangBus cracking jokes while the porno rolled. And then his own show featured the girl from the porn. Her name is Jada Stevens if ur familiar with pornstars. Not gonna blog about it though, coz not much to say on my end. It was more just a funny moment. I guess the best part to come out of all this is now I have some sort of special account/PW for the Bangbus site that they gave him to access his own vid.
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On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
I smell a self-sabotage defense mechanism... The answer is rarely found in the extremes. It is not wise to be too trusting nor is it wise to not trust anyone at all.
We all know that feeling.
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On February 17 2013 03:22 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 02:49 Warlock40 wrote:Wtf? Why did you kick the guy that was trying to warn you about her? He was doing you a favor. You just kinda sound like a douche after that :|, wrongs on both sides. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do? If your girlfriend not only cheated on you but couldn't be honest enough with you to tell you about it until someone forced her to, that's bad news. Obviously, this guy was just as wrong to sleep with your girlfriend as she was, but at least he had enough moral backbone to try to fess up. Both SO WRONG!!!I usually wouldn't get mad at a guy that would sleep with my girlfriend, it's up to her to say no... But I had meet this guy once before at a party and he had come up to me and said something "If you want I can keep an eye on your girl, there are a lot of guys in the school that are in love with her.". I told him that it's up to her to take care of herself... Shortly after he sleeps with her, that's just fucked up respect. But I kicked him mostly because he forced someone I liked to do something she didn't want to. His motive was that if me and her break up, he could maybe get together with her. It wasn't his decision to make and he didn't do it to be nice... And as I understood it he had been pressuring her for a long time to tell this and she wasn't feeling good by being pressured... As earlier said. Who the fuck does he think he is to pressure and hurt someone I like? I could never let someone like him just go without beating him up.
Lol.. these guys bending over backwards to make you out to be the asshole. So sad. I'm just facepalming repeatedly at the fact they really thought this guy was trying to be morally righteous.
My 2 cents: you should have beat him up and then raped him. In front of the entire class. Now that would be some righteous fury.
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so, the girl can take of herself if some guy wants to sleep with her. But if someone puts a little pressure on her to tell the truth, she cannot protect herself, and the guy deserves a beating.
Right.
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On February 16 2013 21:44 googolplex wrote:
Now that Burn-a-hole-in-your-pocket-for-your-partner-Day! Valentine's Day is over, maybe we can talk about the other side of love, the dark, unpleasant, and painful part. The part where love ends, at least for one party. The break up!
What the worst kind of bad breakup that you have experienced or known or witnessed?
Yesterday, I was having a post-Valentines date with a very good friend (bought her chocolates at 50% off!). We were having a pleasant night (not romantic, but the kind where you both have known each other for more than 10 years, so...) when we observed a couple across the table. It was an outdoor restaurant so it was a bit noisy with people having a free reign on the volumes of their voices. Suddenly, there was a loud but crying. From the dude. We tried not to watch but it was difficult not to. She was just cold and firm, nodding her head, and he was crying, holding her hands (which she obviously didn't seem to like), and he was begging, saying something like "we've been together for 7 years". It went like this for maybe an hour. Finally, and this was the worst thing, he begged on his knees. She hurriedly stood up and just left. Damn what a heartbreaker than situation was. Awkward silence in the restaurant until he left.
Maybe they should have done it somewhere more private? Also it seems that he didn't know about it. Breakup etiquettes should be taught somewhere in college.
Share your experience.
Damn that is some cold shit I've read.
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On February 17 2013 03:28 polarwolf wrote:
so, the girl can take of herself if some guy wants to sleep with her. But if someone puts a little pressure on her to tell the truth, she cannot protect herself, and the guy deserves a beating.
Right.
Yeah, that makes total sense. If my little brother wants to date girls, I'm sure he can take care of himself. But if one of those girls turns around and tries to blackmail/extort/send her cousin to beat him up, then she deserves retaliation.
WRONG.
I wonder what went wrong in your neural development to make you unable to distinguish between illicit affairs and blackmail.
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On February 17 2013 03:25 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 02:49 Warlock40 wrote:Wtf? Why did you kick the guy that was trying to warn you about her? He was doing you a favor. You just kinda sound like a douche after that :|, wrongs on both sides. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do? If your girlfriend not only cheated on you but couldn't be honest enough with you to tell you about it until someone forced her to, that's bad news. Obviously, this guy was just as wrong to sleep with your girlfriend as she was, but at least he had enough moral backbone to try to fess up. Both SO WRONG!!!I usually wouldn't get mad at a guy that would sleep with my girlfriend, it's up to her to say no... But I had meet this guy once before at a party and he had come up to me and said something "If you want I can keep an eye on your girl, there are a lot of guys in the school that are in love with her.". I told him that it's up to her to take care of herself... Shortly after he sleeps with her, that's just fucked up respect. But I kicked him mostly because he forced someone I liked to do something she didn't want to. His motive was that if me and her break up, he could maybe get together with her. It wasn't his decision to make and he didn't do it to be nice... And as I understood it he had been pressuring her for a long time to tell this and she wasn't feeling good by being pressured... As earlier said. Who the fuck does he think he is to pressure and hurt someone I like? I could never let someone like him just go without beating him up. Lol.. these guys bending over backwards to make you out to be the asshole. So sad. I'm just facepalming repeatedly at the fact they really thought this guy was trying to be morally righteous. My 2 cents: you should have beat him up and then raped him. In front of the entire class. Now that would be some righteous fury.
As a somewhat impulsive guy with occasional sadistic tendencies, I find that a bit much. Plus I don't think our guy wants anything to do with that other guy sexually.
Either way you're not making a compelling case by inviting people to beat and rape others.
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A lot of sad stories here... I want to read stories from the girls, anyone?
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On February 17 2013 03:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:25 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 03:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 02:49 Warlock40 wrote:Wtf? Why did you kick the guy that was trying to warn you about her? He was doing you a favor. You just kinda sound like a douche after that :|, wrongs on both sides. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do? If your girlfriend not only cheated on you but couldn't be honest enough with you to tell you about it until someone forced her to, that's bad news. Obviously, this guy was just as wrong to sleep with your girlfriend as she was, but at least he had enough moral backbone to try to fess up. Both SO WRONG!!!I usually wouldn't get mad at a guy that would sleep with my girlfriend, it's up to her to say no... But I had meet this guy once before at a party and he had come up to me and said something "If you want I can keep an eye on your girl, there are a lot of guys in the school that are in love with her.". I told him that it's up to her to take care of herself... Shortly after he sleeps with her, that's just fucked up respect. But I kicked him mostly because he forced someone I liked to do something she didn't want to. His motive was that if me and her break up, he could maybe get together with her. It wasn't his decision to make and he didn't do it to be nice... And as I understood it he had been pressuring her for a long time to tell this and she wasn't feeling good by being pressured... As earlier said. Who the fuck does he think he is to pressure and hurt someone I like? I could never let someone like him just go without beating him up. Lol.. these guys bending over backwards to make you out to be the asshole. So sad. I'm just facepalming repeatedly at the fact they really thought this guy was trying to be morally righteous. My 2 cents: you should have beat him up and then raped him. In front of the entire class. Now that would be some righteous fury. As a somewhat impulsive guy with occasional sadistic tendencies, I find that a bit much. Plus I don't think our guy wants anything to do with that other guy sexually. Either way you're not making a compelling case by inviting people to beat and rape others.
Sorry, my testosterone got the better of me. I was just playing back that scenario in my head and the prison-house urges kicked in. Again, apologies. Rape is serious and no laughing matter. But, for some reason, to me sex and dominance are intimately connected, so when I'm dominating someone I usually try to sex them too. I think this is why none of my friends play Street Fighter with me anymore . Luckily, I still have bnet :D
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I once reopened a wound from a cut on my right hand while fapping. Things never went back to normal after this incident :-(
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The taekwondo guy's story was really fucked up. Quite the proof that there aren't only bright people on TL. Beating people up and feeling good about it? Lawl.
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On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre.
movie or it didn't happen....
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On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen....
NSFW:
+ Show Spoiler +
The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid...
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On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid...
Dang im at work. BRB in 6 hours
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On February 17 2013 03:15 Prevolved wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation. Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future.
I was so delusional when i first got into my relationship that its gonna be forever,that we are really gone love each other and respect each other and TRUST EACH OTHER.But guess what.The very moment i said to her that we are gonna say 100% truth and i told her some things,she immediately started being cold,because of my past.Don't EVER BE 100% Truthful,i don't say LIE for serious things,but when she asks if u watched a movie yesterday, and you say no,but actually you did then yea u get what im talking about,don't lie about serious things.
Guys just think of it.
What is the % of divorces in USA?Well it is quite high.The % of people that do not get divorced,either live together because of their kids,or have a lover that fulfills their sexual desires.Sex with only one person makes it BORING and monotonous,and don't say here YOU ARE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFERENT,no you aren't stop being delusional.Varying is not doing it with one person with different poses,it's making it with different people with different poses.Look up Varying in the dictionary.
People get bored of each other,it's just like a new thing you bought you eventually either loose it or stop wear it.(It is a materialistic example,but you get what i am talking about)
If you know who is David DeAngelo,he Says it pretty good "Love DOES NOT Exist"
People just get used to being to each other,to support each other,to buy nice things to each other AND ON THE PEDESTAL TO HAVE SEX
People describe and use the word LOVE when they want something,when they want to have SEX with each other.It's the sad TRUTH
Our brain and emotional circuitry is NOT MADE FOR LIVING IN 21 CENTURY.Our brain and emotions are outdated,we are used to live in small communities of 150-300 people,and not in a big city with 50,000,000 people.We are scared of approaching new women,because we might get shot down,not that it will be life threatening nowadays,but before 50,000 years IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIFE THREATENING!!!!!
I learned these things THE VERY FUCKING HARD WAY,don't get lost in a relationship,don't put girls on PEDESTAL,don't make them your queens,don't overspend on them,DON'T BE CLINGY,DON'T BE NEEDY.
My Ex told me this "I cannot like a quality in you and be attracted to it,if i hate it in myself.", when we talked,i said that i didn't care about her at all in the start of our relationship,and she said it was driving her crazy and she knew it,the moment i started chasing was the moment that everything started falling apart.
Try to be more careless about your relationships with GIRLS,don't be hesitant to drop them the moment you don't feel like to,don't turn into one of these slug boyfriends that literally do EVERYTHING to save the girl...DONT DO IT,it's not worth it,at the end you are gonna get SHAT ON for being needy,despite making everything for her and making her happy,this is not attractive,its repulsive for them.Go out with different women,have jelly materials always,don't be hesitant to cheat when you have chance,because at the end of the day PEOPLE CHEAT ON EACH OTHER!!!!!EVERYFUCKING TIME !!!Sooner or later you are gonna get cheated ON!!!
Also as a rule of thumb,DON'T leave a girl in a WORSE state both emotional & physical,after you break up with her,then when you met her.
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On February 17 2013 04:30 Crying wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:15 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation. Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future. Guys just think of it. What is the % of divorces in USA?Well it is quite high.The % of people that do not get divorced,either live together because of their kids,or have a lover that fulfills their sexual desires.Sex with only one person makes it BORING and monotonous,and don't say here YOU ARE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFERENT,no you aren't stop being delusional.Varying is not doing it with one person with different poses,it's making it with different people with different poses.Look up Varying in the dictionary. People get bored of each other,it's just like a new thing you bought you eventually either loose it or stop wear it.(It is a materialistic example,but you get what i am talking about) If you know who is David DeAngelo,he Says it pretty good "Love DOES NOT Exist" People just get used to being to each other,to support each other,to buy nice things to each other AND ON THE PEDESTAL TO HAVE SEXPeople describe and use the word LOVE when they want something,when they want to have SEX with each other.It's the sad TRUTH Our brain and emotional circuitry is NOT MADE FOR LIVING IN 21 CENTURY.Our brain and emotions are outdated,we are used to live in small communities of 150-300 people,and not in a big city with 50,000,000 people.We are scared of approaching new women,because we might get shot down,not that it will be life threatening nowadays,but before 50,000 years IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIFE THREATENING!!!!! I learned these things THE VERY FUCKING HARD WAY,don't get lost in a relationship,don't put girls on PEDESTAL,don't make them your queens,don't overspend on them,DON'T BE CLINGY,DON'T BE NEEDY. My Ex told me this "I cannot like a quality in you and be attracted to it,if i hate it in myself.", when we talked,i said that i didn't care about her at all in the start of our relationship,and she said it was driving her crazy and she knew it,the moment i started chasing was the moment that everything started falling apart. Try to be more careless about your relationships with GIRLS,don't be hesitant to drop them the moment you don't feel like to,don't turn into one of these slug boyfriends that literally do EVERYTHING to save the girl...DONT DO IT,it's not worth it,at the end you are gonna get SHAT ON for being needy,despite making everything for her and making her happy,this is not attractive,its repulsive for them.Go out with different women,have jelly materials always,don't be hesitant to cheat when you have chance,because at the end of the day PEOPLE CHEAT ON EACH OTHER!!!!!EVERYFUCKING TIME !!!Sooner or later you are gonna get cheated ON!!!
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales.
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On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales.
the sad truth
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On February 17 2013 04:44 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:30 Crying wrote:On February 17 2013 03:15 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation. Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future. I was so delusional when i first got into my relationship that its gonna be forever,that we are really gone love each other and respect each other and TRUST EACH OTHER.But guess what.The very moment i said to her that we are gonna say 100% truth and i told her some things,she immediately started being cold,because of my past.Don't EVER BE 100% Truthful,i don't say LIE for serious things,but when she asks if u watched a movie yesterday, and you say no,but actually you did then yea u get what im talking about,don't lie about serious things. Guys just think of it. What is the % of divorces in USA?Well it is quite high.The % of people that do not get divorced,either live together because of their kids,or have a lover that fulfills their sexual desires.Sex with only one person makes it BORING and monotonous,and don't say here YOU ARE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFERENT,no you aren't stop being delusional.Varying is not doing it with one person with different poses,it's making it with different people with different poses.Look up Varying in the dictionary. People get bored of each other,it's just like a new thing you bought you eventually either loose it or stop wear it.(It is a materialistic example,but you get what i am talking about) If you know who is David DeAngelo,he Says it pretty good "Love DOES NOT Exist"People just get used to being to each other,to support each other,to buy nice things to each other AND ON THE PEDESTAL TO HAVE SEXPeople describe and use the word LOVE when they want something,when they want to have SEX with each other.It's the sad TRUTHOur brain and emotional circuitry is NOT MADE FOR LIVING IN 21 CENTURY.Our brain and emotions are outdated,we are used to live in small communities of 150-300 people,and not in a big city with 50,000,000 people.We are scared of approaching new women,because we might get shot down,not that it will be life threatening nowadays,but before 50,000 years IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIFE THREATENING!!!!! I learned these things THE VERY FUCKING HARD WAY,don't get lost in a relationship,don't put girls on PEDESTAL,don't make them your queens,don't overspend on them,DON'T BE CLINGY,DON'T BE NEEDY. My Ex told me this "I cannot like a quality in you and be attracted to it,if i hate it in myself.", when we talked,i said that i didn't care about her at all in the start of our relationship,and she said it was driving her crazy and she knew it,the moment i started chasing was the moment that everything started falling apart. Try to be more careless about your relationships with GIRLS,don't be hesitant to drop them the moment you don't feel like to,don't turn into one of these slug boyfriends that literally do EVERYTHING to save the girl...DONT DO IT,it's not worth it,at the end you are gonna get SHAT ON for being needy,despite making everything for her and making her happy,this is not attractive,its repulsive for them.Go out with different women,have jelly materials always,don't be hesitant to cheat when you have chance,because at the end of the day PEOPLE CHEAT ON EACH OTHER!!!!!EVERYFUCKING TIME !!!Sooner or later you are gonna get cheated ON!!! Bullshit. Love does not exist? What is love for a brother or sister then? Parents love for a child? You have a very sad way of looking at the world, life and love. You just find excuses and "facts" for your own weakness... The problem you have is that you've been hurt so you're really defensive... "When a man learns to love, he must bear the risk of hatred".You can play it safe and get nowhere if you want while I and many others bear the risk of hatred and pain to find love. I've been hurt, many people have. But I still have so much love in my life... Love is like everything else in life you know dude... Unless you risk something you won't get anything, unless you fight hard for it you won't find it. Good luck in life.
There is love between relatives,parents,friends,but between Lovers and BF/GF it is always transitional.
I love my friends and parents relatives and such,i don't think i should truly love a person who gets out of nowhere in my life and tries to reposition it and make it like he/she wants to be enjoying for him/her.
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On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth
I feel so sad for both of you. Wow.
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On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth
Hahaha this shit is gold. No one ever lays out the truth like this man. But you gotta chill out, a lot of people are not gonna take kindly to this. ignorance is bliss
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On February 17 2013 00:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno Wow, are you like 15 or something? Way to be shallow as fuck dude.
Not to really get involved with the rest of the post, but this is a pretty valid concern... that shit can be painful for a relationship yo, doesn't matter how understanding they are about it if they can't participate in one of your favourite leisure-time activities. Also, it probably doesn't say great things for your relationship that your general philosophy on everything is so out of line.
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On February 17 2013 04:54 Prevolved wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth Hahaha this shit is gold. No one ever lays out the truth like this man. But you gotta chill out, a lot of people are not gonna take kindly to this. ignorance is bliss
Denial is the first defense mechanism / coping method.
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On February 17 2013 04:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:54 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth Hahaha this shit is gold. No one ever lays out the truth like this man. But you gotta chill out, a lot of people are not gonna take kindly to this. ignorance is bliss Denial is the first defense mechanism / coping method.
I think "love" in some abstract, lingering sentiment sort of way definitely exists. I still love 2 of my ex-gfs. Now, would I trust them? About as far as a dog can shit. But that doesn't mean I don't love them and care about what happens to them for the rest of their lives.
Now "LOVE" in the soul-mate, magic for all time sense, that I think is somewhat pushing it... I don't think that exists. And I think that's what the original post was talking about when he said love doesn't exist.
I agree, I find long-term, monogamous relationships much more fulfilling. But that doesn't mean it'll last forever. Often, those are the ones that really rip you up inside. I'm not cynical or jaded or try to tell myself I'm never going to love again. I have no problem going back out there and meeting a new girl to take up with and commit to for X years. But so far in my 27 years of life, I have definitely noticed a trend: Women who don't cheat like food more than fucking. Women who cheat often and slut around like fucking more than anything else. Women who have affairs but don't break up like shopping more than food OR fucking.
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Not exactly a breakup but the first girl I went on a date with was in college with a girl from an Economics course. We went on a first and second date but since I was oblivious to dating I opted to just make friends with her. And, we ended up becoming best friends. About a year after meeting she moves away to go to nursing school. Over that time I thought about her a lot; and I mean a lot. When she got back, we hung out a few times but I could not summon up the courage to ask her to stay. So, she leaves again, this time for California.
I try a couple other dating ventures over that period, but they're epic failures. When she returns again, about 2 years after we'd met and mostly a phone call friendship, I tell her I've been falling for her and want her to stay. After she says "no", basically, I take her home and we never speak again.
Lesson: don't dream about a girl/boy for 2 years without doing something about it. A horrible weight on your mind.
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On February 17 2013 05:04 slytown wrote:
Not exactly a breakup but the first girl I went on a date with was in college with a girl from an Economics course. We went on a first and second date but since I was oblivious to dating I opted to just make friends with her. And, we ended up becoming best friends. About a year after meeting she moves away to go to nursing school. Over that time I thought about her a lot; and I mean a lot. When she got back, we hung out a few times but I could not summon up the courage to ask her to stay. So, she leaves again, this time for California.
I try a couple other dating ventures over that period, but they're epic failures. When she returns again, about 2 years after we'd met and mostly a phone call friendship, I tell her I've been falling for her and want her to stay. After she says "no", basically, I take her home and we never speak again.
Lesson: don't dream about a girl/boy for 2 years without doing something about it. A horrible weight on your mind.
Question is, did she say no because you tried to keep her here or did she say no because she doesnt see you as bf material at all?
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On February 17 2013 04:30 Crying wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:15 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation. Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future. I was so delusional when i first got into my relationship that its gonna be forever,that we are really gone love each other and respect each other and TRUST EACH OTHER.But guess what.The very moment i said to her that we are gonna say 100% truth and i told her some things,she immediately started being cold,because of my past.Don't EVER BE 100% Truthful,i don't say LIE for serious things,but when she asks if u watched a movie yesterday, and you say no,but actually you did then yea u get what im talking about,don't lie about serious things. Guys just think of it. What is the % of divorces in USA?Well it is quite high.The % of people that do not get divorced,either live together because of their kids,or have a lover that fulfills their sexual desires.Sex with only one person makes it BORING and monotonous,and don't say here YOU ARE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFERENT,no you aren't stop being delusional.Varying is not doing it with one person with different poses,it's making it with different people with different poses.Look up Varying in the dictionary. People get bored of each other,it's just like a new thing you bought you eventually either loose it or stop wear it.(It is a materialistic example,but you get what i am talking about) If you know who is David DeAngelo,he Says it pretty good "Love DOES NOT Exist" People just get used to being to each other,to support each other,to buy nice things to each other AND ON THE PEDESTAL TO HAVE SEXPeople describe and use the word LOVE when they want something,when they want to have SEX with each other.It's the sad TRUTH Our brain and emotional circuitry is NOT MADE FOR LIVING IN 21 CENTURY.Our brain and emotions are outdated,we are used to live in small communities of 150-300 people,and not in a big city with 50,000,000 people.We are scared of approaching new women,because we might get shot down,not that it will be life threatening nowadays,but before 50,000 years IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIFE THREATENING!!!!! I learned these things THE VERY FUCKING HARD WAY,don't get lost in a relationship,don't put girls on PEDESTAL,don't make them your queens,don't overspend on them,DON'T BE CLINGY,DON'T BE NEEDY. My Ex told me this "I cannot like a quality in you and be attracted to it,if i hate it in myself.", when we talked,i said that i didn't care about her at all in the start of our relationship,and she said it was driving her crazy and she knew it,the moment i started chasing was the moment that everything started falling apart. Try to be more careless about your relationships with GIRLS,don't be hesitant to drop them the moment you don't feel like to,don't turn into one of these slug boyfriends that literally do EVERYTHING to save the girl...DONT DO IT,it's not worth it,at the end you are gonna get SHAT ON for being needy,despite making everything for her and making her happy,this is not attractive,its repulsive for them.Go out with different women,have jelly materials always,don't be hesitant to cheat when you have chance,because at the end of the day PEOPLE CHEAT ON EACH OTHER!!!!!EVERYFUCKING TIME !!!Sooner or later you are gonna get cheated ON!!!Also as a rule of thumb,DON'T leave a girl in a WORSE state both emotional & physical,after you break up with her,then when you met her.
Sorry to say this but you have a very sad look on life. I'm not an expert of of love and relationships but i do know a thing or two. Life, love and sex isn't as easy as saying its "black and white". You can't make it simple saying avoid all emotional attention and running away when you get cold feet is the best way to live your life. You will never find a partner that way or have a relationship that really is meaningful.
From your post i can tell you have been hurt in your relationship experiences but totally numbing out all feeling isn't the way around it. If you push down all your feelings when you are dating one of these days they will came back to bite you in the ass, trust me it has happened before to me. =/ I guess good luck with your dating.
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If I ever get emotionally hurt I hope it's never to the extent of posting it on TL, some of the advice here would make me scared to ever go out in the world ever again. Screw dat, optimism for life yo ~
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Maybe what tl needs is a relationship subforum where girl blogs, relationship stories, advice, thoughts, etc can all go.
Good damn kickboxer though....
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On February 17 2013 05:41 Aerisky wrote:
Maybe what tl needs is a relationship subforum where girl blogs, relationship stories, advice, thoughts, etc can all go.
Good damn kickboxer though....
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but Blogs is pretty much what you describe.
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The only reason why a girl want to break up with you is because you failed her test(s). The moment you stop being awesome to her, its the moment she'll take a dump over you. Girls are adventure seekers and men are the amusement parks.
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On February 16 2013 22:05 Gesamtkunstwerk wrote:
This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair.
that was the most depressing thing ive ever read.
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On February 17 2013 05:51 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:05 Gesamtkunstwerk wrote:
This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair. that was the most depressing thing ive ever read.
Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz.
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On February 17 2013 05:51 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:05 Gesamtkunstwerk wrote:
This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair. that was the most depressing thing ive ever read.
yeah.
wow.
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On February 17 2013 06:38 fatfail wrote:
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On February 17 2013 06:38 fatfail wrote:
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...where there was nature and earth, life and water, I saw a desert landscape that was unending, resembling some sort of crater, so devoid of reason and light and spirit that the mind could not grasp it on any sort of conscious level and if you came close the mind would reel backward, unable to take it in. It was a vision so clear and real and vital to me that in its purity it was almost abstract. This was what I could understand, this was how I lived my life, what I constructed my movement around, how I dealt with the tangible. This was the geography around which my reality resolved: it did not occur to me, ever, that people were good or that a man was capable of change or that the world could be a better place through ones taking pleasure in a feel or a look or a gesture, or receiving another person’s love or kindness. Nothing was affirmative, the term “generosity of spirit” applied to nothing, was a cliche, was some kind of bad joke. Sex is mathematics. Individuality no longer an issue. What does intelligence signify? Define reason. Desire -- meaningless. Intellect is not a cure. Justice is dead. Fear, recrimination, innocence, sympathizing, guilt, waste, failure, grief, were things, emotions, that no one really felt any more. Reflection is useless, the world is senseless. Evil is its only permanence. God is not alive. Love cannot be trusted. Surface, surface, surface was all that anyone found meaning in...this was civilization as I saw it, colossal and jagged...
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I am totally going to cover my dick in cocaine next time I have sex.
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On February 17 2013 05:38 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:30 Crying wrote:On February 17 2013 03:15 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 03:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 03:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 02:55 Crying wrote:
Learn to not trust Girls Easily,and Learn to not get attached easily,Learn that the whole BF/GF thing is something that comes and goes,and no relationship is forever,Even Marriage gets BORING and people get bored of each other,and live together because of Kids/Respect/Past
It doesn't matter how long a relationship is,even a month is enough for people to do incredible amounts of damage to each other
Well it was my first GF to be honest,and damn i wasn't a good boyfriend.I learned so many things,but oh well i guess life and eventually things like these change you,in a way you couldn't have ever imagined.
It was literally magical.I mean the first week was omg....so GUD.But oh welp nothing is forever.However at the end she was acting all bitchy and shitty with me because i just got attached and her subconsciousness was telling her that when a guy chases a girl its not funny anymore.The first 1-2 weeks she was chasing me like shit,and when i got to chase i got stomped.LITERALLY
I ended everything at New Year's i got back from the party where i was with her but we both knew already we were over,i woke up and i skype dumped her which wasnt classy at all,but come on she literally fucked me up on so many levels.
But hell, i learned so much....so fucking much,to NOT TRUST ANYONE............
Quite the cynic are we... It grinds my gears when people look at a realistic viewpoint and dismiss it as "cynical". Hell it grinds my gears when people use the word "cynic" or any derivative thereof with a negative connotation. Yeah actually this guy is so fucking right. I sure wish it were otherwise, but it's not. Many of you would do well to heed this man's advice and spare yourselves misery and confusion in the future. I was so delusional when i first got into my relationship that its gonna be forever,that we are really gone love each other and respect each other and TRUST EACH OTHER.But guess what.The very moment i said to her that we are gonna say 100% truth and i told her some things,she immediately started being cold,because of my past.Don't EVER BE 100% Truthful,i don't say LIE for serious things,but when she asks if u watched a movie yesterday, and you say no,but actually you did then yea u get what im talking about,don't lie about serious things. Guys just think of it. What is the % of divorces in USA?Well it is quite high.The % of people that do not get divorced,either live together because of their kids,or have a lover that fulfills their sexual desires.Sex with only one person makes it BORING and monotonous,and don't say here YOU ARE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFERENT,no you aren't stop being delusional.Varying is not doing it with one person with different poses,it's making it with different people with different poses.Look up Varying in the dictionary. People get bored of each other,it's just like a new thing you bought you eventually either loose it or stop wear it.(It is a materialistic example,but you get what i am talking about) If you know who is David DeAngelo,he Says it pretty good "Love DOES NOT Exist" People just get used to being to each other,to support each other,to buy nice things to each other AND ON THE PEDESTAL TO HAVE SEXPeople describe and use the word LOVE when they want something,when they want to have SEX with each other.It's the sad TRUTH Our brain and emotional circuitry is NOT MADE FOR LIVING IN 21 CENTURY.Our brain and emotions are outdated,we are used to live in small communities of 150-300 people,and not in a big city with 50,000,000 people.We are scared of approaching new women,because we might get shot down,not that it will be life threatening nowadays,but before 50,000 years IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIFE THREATENING!!!!! I learned these things THE VERY FUCKING HARD WAY,don't get lost in a relationship,don't put girls on PEDESTAL,don't make them your queens,don't overspend on them,DON'T BE CLINGY,DON'T BE NEEDY. My Ex told me this "I cannot like a quality in you and be attracted to it,if i hate it in myself.", when we talked,i said that i didn't care about her at all in the start of our relationship,and she said it was driving her crazy and she knew it,the moment i started chasing was the moment that everything started falling apart. Try to be more careless about your relationships with GIRLS,don't be hesitant to drop them the moment you don't feel like to,don't turn into one of these slug boyfriends that literally do EVERYTHING to save the girl...DONT DO IT,it's not worth it,at the end you are gonna get SHAT ON for being needy,despite making everything for her and making her happy,this is not attractive,its repulsive for them.Go out with different women,have jelly materials always,don't be hesitant to cheat when you have chance,because at the end of the day PEOPLE CHEAT ON EACH OTHER!!!!!EVERYFUCKING TIME !!!Sooner or later you are gonna get cheated ON!!!Also as a rule of thumb,DON'T leave a girl in a WORSE state both emotional & physical,after you break up with her,then when you met her. Sorry to say this but you have a very sad look on life. I'm not an expert of of love and relationships but i do know a thing or two. Life, love and sex isn't as easy as saying its "black and white". You can't make it simple saying avoid all emotional attention and running away when you get cold feet is the best way to live your life. You will never find a partner that way or have a relationship that really is meaningful. From your post i can tell you have been hurt in your relationship experiences but totally numbing out all feeling isn't the way around it. If you push down all your feelings when you are dating one of these days they will came back to bite you in the ass, trust me it has happened before to me. =/ I guess good luck with your dating.
It's not about numbing your feeling,it's just taking it EASY and being DISATTACHED until later in relationship.Learn to attach SLOWER and EASIER.
I am saying that because People's brain is considered to be a powerful machine.It records events,faces,times,situations everything,sometimes to the very detail.When people make mistakes,or have huge jumps in their lives,they create a "PATHING"
Pathing is when you for instance get something wrong several times,and you make a path in your brain to fix it and remember the next time it happens,how to fix it IMMEDIATELY.
We have emotional pathing,physical pathing(walking,swimming,driving)You learn by making paths in your brain,by doing something,getting it wrong,fixing it.You see green color,and you think of grass,that's a path that your brain made.
You see someone get physically beaten,and you immediately think of pain,and you might even feel it.
When someone says DON'T Think of a green cow,you immediately see a green cow in your brain.
You don't get burned twice on the Stove to REALIZE it burns.
Read up on NLP and you will get it right,the Dog-Bell Test.
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^I wouldn't do that, cocaine are fairly expansive. So unless you have a tons of money, this won't go down well.
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
lmao
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On February 17 2013 06:38 fatfail wrote:
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So natural. So short-lived and yet eternal! Such is life and all that exists beyond us. Days are trivial but love is the fire that burns in our heart. Like Ariadne's thread, it leads our species towards the future, onto fascinating chapters of our history. Without it, we do not move, we forget and we fade. "And this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper."
Watch Terrence Malick's Tree of Life and cry tears of loneliness.
As for me, the bitterness of the weak and the fallen only makes my fire stronger.
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^ The last page of posts is why I love TL. Fucking ROFL
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On February 17 2013 07:04 Xiphos wrote:
^I wouldn't do that, cocaine are fairly expansive. So unless you have a tons of money, this won't go down well.
But I bet she will!
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On February 17 2013 07:00 PassiveAce wrote:
I am totally going to cover my dick in cocaine next time I have sex.
oh my god i laughed so hard at this :D perfect reply :D
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On February 17 2013 05:45 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:41 Aerisky wrote:
Maybe what tl needs is a relationship subforum where girl blogs, relationship stories, advice, thoughts, etc can all go.
Good damn kickboxer though.... Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but Blogs is pretty much what you describe.
I guess :/
But I feel like with the quantity of all that stuff, it could all go into a single relationship subforum. I have bad ideas though, don't mind me.
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On February 17 2013 07:16 Kukaracha wrote:So natural. So short-lived and yet eternal! Such is life and all that exists beyond us. Days are trivial but love is the fire that burns in our heart. Like Ariadne's thread, it leads our species towards the future, onto fascinating chapters of our history. Without it, we do not move, we forget and we fade. "And this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper." Watch Terrence Malick's Tree of Life and cry tears of loneliness. As for me, the bitterness of the weak and the fallen only makes my fire stronger.
Essentially, you revel in crude hedonism?
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I just don't get why the guy had to be white and the girl asian. Couldn't the fantasy have been AM/WF?
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On February 17 2013 08:05 SamsungStar wrote:
I just don't get why the guy had to be white and the girl asian. Couldn't the fantasy have been AM/WF?
Different skin complexion -> cocaine on penis simply doesn't look as interesting. It's sad but it's the truth.
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On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid...
So your brother got picked up by the bangbus?
On February 17 2013 07:00 PassiveAce wrote:
I am totally going to cover my dick in cocaine next time I have sex.
Wait doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose
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On February 17 2013 08:16 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid... So your brother got picked up by the bangbus?
Not picked up. He knows Jada and she was part of his show. So he went along for the ride for HER show. My brother is the Chinese guy
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On February 17 2013 08:17 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 08:16 TheFish7 wrote:On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid... So your brother got picked up by the bangbus? Not picked up. He knows Jada and she was part of his show. So he went along for the ride for HER show. My brother is the Chinese guy
Oh thats kinda fun actually. Always wanted to get a pornstar's thoughts on sex. I hope Jada didn't do any anal scenes after eating that frita </offtopic>
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On February 17 2013 08:22 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 08:17 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 08:16 TheFish7 wrote:On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid... So your brother got picked up by the bangbus? Not picked up. He knows Jada and she was part of his show. So he went along for the ride for HER show. My brother is the Chinese guy Oh thats kinda fun actually. Always wanted to get a pornstar's thoughts on sex. I hope Jada didn't do any anal scenes after eating that frita </offtopic>
Atleast he managed to dodge the lobster sauce
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The worst part of a breakup is when people resort to sexism or become great pseudo-philosophers on love as a defense mechanism.
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On February 17 2013 05:21 Eisregen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 05:04 slytown wrote:
Not exactly a breakup but the first girl I went on a date with was in college with a girl from an Economics course. We went on a first and second date but since I was oblivious to dating I opted to just make friends with her. And, we ended up becoming best friends. About a year after meeting she moves away to go to nursing school. Over that time I thought about her a lot; and I mean a lot. When she got back, we hung out a few times but I could not summon up the courage to ask her to stay. So, she leaves again, this time for California.
I try a couple other dating ventures over that period, but they're epic failures. When she returns again, about 2 years after we'd met and mostly a phone call friendship, I tell her I've been falling for her and want her to stay. After she says "no", basically, I take her home and we never speak again.
Lesson: don't dream about a girl/boy for 2 years without doing something about it. A horrible weight on your mind. Question is, did she say no because you tried to keep her here or did she say no because she doesnt see you as bf material at all?
Both.
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In 8th grade, my buddy broke up with his girl by calling her a cunt.
His school was a 1st grade - 12th grade school. Word spread.
Universally hated.
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On February 17 2013 08:23 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 08:22 TheFish7 wrote:On February 17 2013 08:17 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 08:16 TheFish7 wrote:On February 17 2013 04:13 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On February 17 2013 01:42 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 01:39 PassiveAce wrote:On February 17 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 01:08 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Having your friends show you a video of your gf getting banged by two dudes at last weekends party. Develop a cuckold/ntr fetish and suddenly it's pretty amazing. I have never understood the appeal of watching your gf be fucked by someone else. Some guys are really into it, I just dont get it. I guess its like watching a porn staring someone you know. I recently saw a porno with my brother in it. That was pretty fucking bizarre. movie or it didn't happen.... NSFW: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9LKziHhic The link to the actual porn is top comment in the youtube vid... So your brother got picked up by the bangbus? Not picked up. He knows Jada and she was part of his show. So he went along for the ride for HER show. My brother is the Chinese guy Oh thats kinda fun actually. Always wanted to get a pornstar's thoughts on sex. I hope Jada didn't do any anal scenes after eating that frita </offtopic> Atleast he managed to dodge the lobster sauce
hahahahah XD
and LOL on the pseudo-philosopher thing. I've so done that after a breakup.
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I wish I had interesting breakup stories
My only bad breakup was with this girl who started talking shit / making shit up about me behind my back... but she was dumb enough to whine about it to some of my really close friends (who of course told me / showed me the chat logs). Called her a bitch and ended it.
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I just moved out to CA after graduation- don't know too too many people around here yet (all the people I work with are pretty much 10-20 years older -.-) so I've been chillen over at one of my school roommates' place on the weekends and such (he's out here too now, coincidentally). As a result I've been around the most awful fights that have been going on for ~8 weeks or so between him and his (ex)GF. They've been on and off and butting heads hard over just about everything, yet they keep "making up" only to go at it again the next week. It's not any one instance that makes it seem so ugly -- it's the fact that it goes on and on and on...and on! I keep telling the guy to cut that shit out for good, but he just won't because he still really likes her. She will tell him "I want to get back with you, let's move in again" and within a few days she's already back out. I'm pretty much fed up with it, haven't been chilling over there as much lately, nor even talking with him since it's all he ever wants to do now -- complain/vent about this ridiculous relationship.
No idea how she got into his heart so deep that even after playing games with him hardcore for weeks on end, he's still head over heels for her. She's even cheated on him during this!
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How about this guys, one of my gfs from high school was 2 years older than me, so she was graduated when i was a junior. We dated for 2 years, and throughout the last summer she seemed kind of distant... but we were still constantly together/having sex. At one point during the summer she took a trip to florida for 2 weeks with one of her friends, and came back not seeming any different. 3 months later she told me that her grandmother who lived in England was dying and there was nobody there to take care of her, so she had to move to england . 2 weeks after she left I found out from her roommate that she had gotten engaged to someone she had met on that trip for the first time, and moved to utah and married him.
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Nice stories. Reading this thread makes me want to be an asshole to women just to avenge my gender.
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Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times.
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On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times.
shut up you traitor
first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company
take good example from the guy above you
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On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times.
And if you read the thread you will see plenty of those stories as well 
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On February 17 2013 10:23 Communism wrote:
How about this guys, one of my gfs from high school was 2 years older than me, so she was graduated when i was a junior. We dated for 2 years, and throughout the last summer she seemed kind of distant... but we were still constantly together/having sex. At one point during the summer she took a trip to florida for 2 weeks with one of her friends, and came back not seeming any different. 3 months later she told me that her grandmother who lived in England was dying and there was nobody there to take care of her, so she had to move to england . 2 weeks after she left I found out from her roommate that she had gotten engaged to someone she had met on that trip for the first time, and moved to utah and married him.
hahahaha! she got engaged that fast, damn! Good thing she's gone man, that could have been you... and you'd be stuck with her... forever.
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I have the best one.
Wife of 8 years slept with 3 other dudes. Found out when she left me for the third one who works at wal-mart and has 3 kids (we have 2). She now lives with him in a shitty apartment in the next town and is apparently engaged. Recently, he was arrested for going into his old girlfriend's house at 3 AM and beating up her current boyfriend. She found out and stayed with him. Also, to top it off, I moved 3000 miles with her and the kids to a place I hate so that she could be near her family. Now, I have a mortgage I can barely pay, 2 kids to feed, and I live in a shithole town.
Do I win? Or..... lose?
On a positive note, I am currently dating my ex-wife's 22 year old cousin who is adorable, majoring in international business with several minors (Spanish, Italian, and Marketing), and is about as awesome as any chick could be. Things aren't as bad as they could be I guess.
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My first serious GF I had in highschool was fucking crazy...
We fought pretty much every day after school and I was stupid as hell and didn't leave her. We had sex for like the third time a few days before I went camping and promised to call. I didn't end up calling her once on the trip because there was another group of super cute girls who were staying there too. I ended up hooking up with one of the girls for most of the trip I finally decided I was tired of her shit. (getting laid more times in a week than a year long relationship opens your eyes lol)
When I got home she called and asked if I wanted to hang out and I told her not at all. So she said "well do you want to break up then?" She didn't really mean it but I said Sure and she went quiet for a minute. She pulled this shit all the time when we would fight and we broke up a bunch of times already before this.
I told a friend of mine what happened when I was camping later that day and he was acting like a bro about it but I found out later that my now Ex was trying to fuck him constantly while we were dating and that this was pretty well known in my circle of friends. The only reason I found out about her doing that was because someone let it slip while we were talking. Then everyone was like "oh man I'm sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings or cause trouble". I don't feel any remorse about doing what I did. I did feel bad before I knew she was trying to hook up with him but after I found out I couldn't give less of a fuck.
I guess being cheated on really fucked her up and pissed her off because our group of friends always went to this party house and she turned into a huggggeeeeeee slut for the rest of the summer. She was always trying to one up me if I brought a girl she would be all over whatever random guy was there that night. I remember one night we were smoking in the front yard and she was trying to get this one guy to fight me. He was like why the fuck would I fight him he's one of the nicest guys I know? They ended up making out on some random car and he fingered her in front of like 7 people o.o. Another night I ended up in bed with her best friend and we were getting down to business and she was just texting the poor girl all night telling her that I was soooo mean, was bipolar, cut myself, hit her and trying to call her at like 4 in the morning. The girl just threw her phone across the room so we could finish up though . She would constantly text me alternating between calling me a dick and then minutes later begging me to take her back and eventually I just snapped and basically told her to fuck off and that I broke up with you so I wouldn't have to deal with all of your immature shit/Grow the fuck up and move on or stop talking to me.
At the start of the school year in Gr11 she started dating some guy and in the year long relationship she cheated on him 3 times and then got fingered in a crowded room in a party, went on a boat with a bunch of Frat guys got naked and fucked the boats owner and I'm sure there is even more that I don't know. She claimed she was the victim after all of this when he left her and she lost pretty much every single one of her friends who she knew since elementary school because they liked the guy more than her. Idk why he would stay with her when she cheated on him so many times but w.e. It was weird because it took months until she would sleep with me I think it's just because she was a virgin but meh.
The reason it was shitty is because I thought I had really good friends but I found out otherwise. Who the fuck wouldn't tell one of their closest friends that their gf is trying to fuck them? It wasn't a secret like 6 people knew. The same kids who didn't tell me also bailed on me to hang out with her and wouldn't tell me about parties because she was there. I mean girls come and go but "your bros are supposed to be your bros bro" thats what hurt me the most.
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On February 17 2013 12:27 ayaz2810 wrote:
I have the best one.
Wife of 8 years slept with 3 other dudes. Found out when she left me for the third one who works at wal-mart and has 3 kids (we have 2). She now lives with him in a shitty apartment in the next town and is apparently engaged. Recently, he was arrested for going into his old girlfriend's house at 3 AM and beating up her current boyfriend. She found out and stayed with him. Also, to top it off, I moved 3000 miles with her and the kids to a place I hate so that she could be near her family. Now, I have a mortgage I can barely pay, 2 kids to feed, and I live in a shithole town.
Do I win? Or..... lose?
On a positive note, I am currently dating my ex-wife's 22 year old cousin who is adorable, majoring in international business with several minors (Spanish, Italian, and Marketing), and is about as awesome as any chick could be. Things aren't as bad as they could be I guess.
One day she will look at her life and realize how badly she fucked up. It's a really nice feeling when you see your ex and they are a trainwreck and your life is much much better. Maybe I'm just petty D:
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Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone.
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On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you
I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread.
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On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone.
Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it.
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On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it.
Mystery explains it very well using the evolution theory:
Life's adaptations always lag behind changes in the environment. First the environment changes, and only then can humanity slowly adapt to those changes.
Our body, our emotional circuitry, have not yet had the chance to adapt to today's social environment and the new challenges it brings.
We are out-dated machines, prisoners in time, designed for an ancient environment which no longer exists. We are instead best adapted for an ancient environment and tribal social order that once existed sometime between 40,000 and 60,000 years ago.
Men and women respond to both basic instincts useful in an outdated society and reason, but women are the most emotional creatures, hence they do shitty choices that have no reason except the fact they are attracted to males who have the characteristic that made them better partners a few thousand years ago.
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This is one long ass post, so I'll spoiler it as best as I can.
How we got together:
+ Show Spoiler [The crush and the relationship] +I had a crush on the same girl from the first time I saw her. In first grade. I'm going to call her Marie. (In later years, my mother would remark that I came home the first say I saw her and said, "Mommy, today I saw the girl I'm going to marry!" Adorable.)
For some background here, I was the fat kid growing up. I was also the smart kid in class. I was also retentively shy. That combination pretty much meant I got my ass beaten daily from first grade all the way up through eighth. Which made me more shy. I was not exactly a ladies' man by any stretch. I did talk to Marie more or less every day, but in that shy dorky way...well hell, for the most part we grew up geeks and nerds, you know what I mean here.
By high school I dropped the weight, filled out my frame, but was still very much the shy kid. And Marie was constantly taken. She was the head cheerleader, the prom queen, all the stuff reserved for the most popular and prettiest girl in school, but wasn't the stereotypical airhead either. She was smart, articulate, hot as hell (perfect ass....years later I can still see it when I close my eyes...), and most importantly she was still sweet and was friendly to everyone, including my still-socially-backwards self. She had the same boyfriend for the last 3 years of high school, everyone figured they were perfect for each other and were going to be married, and that was pretty much all there was to that. We had classes together where I would talk to her, do group work together, and we would talk and laugh, we'd eat lunch together, but that's as far as it ever went. It was just another school years crush story that ends like they all do -- guy pines over girl for years, does nothing about it, they both graduate and go to separate colleges 2 hours apart, and never speak to each other again.
....that is, until the next summer.
A year at college will do wonders for reinventing yourself. (cue everyone nodding remembering their first year of college) Coming home for the summer, I was out with a couple of friends picking up a pizza, when a group of girls walk in. Leading the group, who do i see? Her brown hair was longer than I remember, but her perfect curves and winning smile were unmistakable -- it was Marie, also home for the summer. When she saw me, she ran straight to me and jumped up to give me a huge hug (I'm 6'0", she's maybe 5'1" on a good day). We talked for a bit, but our order came up fast and we had to go. However, I'd become rather emboldened in the prior year, and instead of just nodding and continuing on my way, I told her we should probably get together and do something, since we're both home for the summer. She enthusiastically agreed, gave me her number, and off I went with the biggest dorky grin on my face.
I even remember the first phone call -- because this was before cell phones were a big thing (man, am I dating myself here or what? older dudes represent!), so I remember getting ahold of her Dad when I tried calling her, and him laughing because I've known him forever and him yelling, "Hey Marie, come answer the phone before this one gets away."
Anyway, to cut this part short, because you get the point by now -- we ended up dating over the summer, seeing each other 3-4 times a week. I, somehow, had ended up with the girl who I had crushed on for almost my entire cognitive life. And it was every bit as amazing as I imagined it would be.
After Summer was over, we went back to our colleges that were 2 hours away, but we would take turns driving to each other's colleges as soon as classes were out on Friday, and leave late Sunday. Yes, we were sickening, yes we were that couple, and yes, I enjoyed every damn minute of it.
TL;DR:
+ Show Spoiler [TLDR for How we got together] +Shy, dorky, fat kid drops weight in High School and mans up in college, ends up in a relationship with the girl he'd crushed on for 13 years.
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The decline and the surprise:
+ Show Spoiler [The breakup] +Fast-forward to a year and a half later. Relationship has been going great. We saw each other every weekend, got together and basically spent the whole summer together, all the sweet saccharine shit you see in the movies. The sex was great too -- though I could tell she was definitely more experienced than me by that point, and she taught me a lot to be sure. We talked about all things, including getting married right after college.
About the only complaint I could come up with is that she liked to spend money. Mind you, I was a college student without a job, so I wasn't exactly sugar daddying, but I did my best to spoil her as best I could. She always complained that she was broke (well stop shopping, woman!) and that she didn't know if she could make tuition etc etc.
By the time Thanksgiving rolls around (been dating for ~18 mos. by this point), I can tell something's just not right. We're getting together just as often, she's just as happy as always, but something's just....off. Looking back, I know what was different -- the money talk stopped without any real change. She seemed to be just a little out of it all the time. She would space out while talking, which she never did before. As the weeks wore on a little, she started withdrawing a little bit at a time. I was too naive at the time to know, and even at this age, I'm not sure I would have been prepared for what I found out later....
Valentine's Day. Marie worked at a fairly classy restaurant, which is obviously going to be busy on Valentine's Day and the year before she had to work, so we had to celebrate on the weekend. This year was no different. She told me the weekend before that she was going to be busy working and couldn't get together. Of course, being awesome like I am, I decided to surprise her and make the drive anyway to pick her up after work and spend a little time together. I drove up to the restaurant, dressed up in my awesome suit, and walked in to ask the girl up front where Marie was.
She wasn't working that night.
I was more confused than anything. Surely I got the date right...duh, Valentine's Day, of course I did. Maybe she got her schedule confused....oh shit, did she try to surprise me the same way? Because that would be hilarious, and also something we would do. They let me use the phone there to call her apartment (no cell phones yet, remember?), and there was no answer. I called up to my place, and there was no answer there either.
At this point, I'm at a real loss for what to do...starting to get a little irritated, and more than a little worried, I thanked the girl for letting me use the phone, hopped in my truck (yep), and headed over to her apartment. She's not there either, but her roommate was home at least. I assume she must have just gotten home, since nobody answered when I called. I knocked on the door and she came to answer.
"What are you doing here?"
You know -- it's Valentine's Day, I'm in a suit, and she asks why I'm there. No "hi." No "wow, you look great." Something serious is up.
"Hey Lynn. I went to surprise Marie at work and she's not there. Any idea where she is?"
"Ah...you know...I don't...I haven't seen her, I just got home from work."
Any pretense of hope I had was shattering quickly. I've known Lynn for a while now too. Her eyes were just sad when they looked at me, just like they had been the last few weeks.
I shoved my foot in the door. "Lynn. What's going on? Just tell me."
"You can wait for her here." And not another word.
It was about 8pm or so when I got there. It was nearly midnight when she crawled in. She flipped on the light and saw me, sitting on the couch, watching TV. Her normally bright, blue eyes were completely lifeless. Her hair was matted down, her lipstick was smeared, and she was wearing a short blue dress that didn't suit her at all.
"Happy Valentine's Day, babe," I said. I'm sure my tone wasn't incredibly loving.
She broke down crying. I remember feeling nothing, as she collapsed on top of me, sobbing into my shoulder and started talking about the last 4 months. About how she looked for another job. How a friend at work told her how much money she made stripping. How she made such good money. How customers offered to pay to sleep with her. Good money. How she refused over and over. How one of the other girls hooked her up with "a guy" that would "treat her right." How she tried all these different drugs. How she now had a heroin habit. And then, she needed a way to pay for it, and with her job, had an easy access to money....
All of this, happening right under my nose. I was a 19 year old kid, it was my first long-term relationship, and I had no idea how to process any of this. I was angry. I was sad. I was crushed. I wanted to hug her and tell her that everything would be ok. I wanted to scream and yell and tell her she was an idiot and I couldn't believe she would be so stupid.
I hugged her tight and stroked her hair. "We'll get through this." She sobbed harder. She cried until she fell asleep.
Jesus, I'm in my thirties now, and I can still remember the sounds. It was just like....pure pain. It's actually hurting to write this. More than I thought it would. Shit.
I put Marie to bed and stayed up to talk to Lynn. Neither of us were really sure what triggered her to do what she did. To this day I still don't know. I asked Lynn how bad the addiction was. Bad enough that even while crying and confessing, Marie had lied to me about how long she'd been doing it. Fuck.
Next morning, Lynn and I talk to Marie. She needs to get clean. I'll be there every step of the way. I've had the whole night to think about it. She's precious to me. She's made some bad decisions. Horrible ones. But we can work through it. We can get her clean, and....
Summer rolls around. She's still using. She's getting angrier and withdrawing more and more from me. We fight more often. I tell her she needs to go to rehab. She tells me I need to go to Hell. Lynn catches her using and bitches her out. She brings the stuff to *my* place now, since I know she was using, thinking I'd be ok with it, or at least wouldn't say anything. Of course I tell her to get that shit out of here. We yell at each other. I finally threaten to tell her parents and get her some real help if she won't quit. She straight up hits me and leaves.
I'm cutting this short, because it's fucking long -- I finally tell her parents what's going on because I want to see her get the help she needs. She, of course, breaks up with me the second she finds out. At this point I don't even care, I'm a little relived -- it's been months of hell, plus she needs the help.
TL;DR:
+ Show Spoiler +Show up for Valentine's Day, find out my g/f of almost 2 years has been stripping, whoring, and is a heroin addict. After trying to help her get clean for 3ish months, I get fed up and tell her parents so she can get some help, and she breaks things off. Seriously, it's worth a read, I spent enough time writing it.
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The aftermath:
+ Show Spoiler +I know that she's been clean for at least a few years now, married, with a couple of adorable children. I learned a lot during that time. Definitely would handle it differently now (was a lot more passive person back then, and much less cynical/more trusting), but I have a story to tell I guess.
Thankfully not all of my relationships have been quite THAT drama filled, but I have a lot of stories I could tell. But the first cut's always the deepest, right?
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On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times.
You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward.
Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options.
So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life.
In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women.
In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door.
But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area.
On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread.
Another nice post (beside aTnClouD's).
If us men are banded together to not accept cheating women into our lives, there wouldn't be cheating happenings in the first place since they'll acknowledge the fact that beside her current men, nobody is willing to take her in so there will be a decrease of cheating girls.
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On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread.
You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them?
But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you?
On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area.
Do you have a source?
I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation.
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On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation.
Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. Your questions seem really strange. There are numerous examples among human societies of these types of social pacts being formed. It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures.
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On February 17 2013 12:43 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Mystery explains it very well using the evolution theory: Life's adaptations always lag behind changes in the environment. First the environment changes, and only then can humanity slowly adapt to those changes. Our body, our emotional circuitry, have not yet had the chance to adapt to today's social environment and the new challenges it brings. We are out-dated machines, prisoners in time, designed for an ancient environment which no longer exists. We are instead best adapted for an ancient environment and tribal social order that once existed sometime between 40,000 and 60,000 years ago. Men and women respond to both basic instincts useful in an outdated society and reason, but women are the most emotional creatures, hence they do shitty choices that have no reason except the fact they are attracted to males who have the characteristic that made them better partners a few thousand years ago.
I wonder whether it's even likely for the distinct underlying emotional neuronal networks between men and women to evolve over time into something different. If so, would it be over hundreds of thousands of years? How would they change?
There is a good piece of info related to that based on a mouse model, which often serves as a reasonable hint of what things may be like in humans, at least to some extent...
recherche.ouvaton.org/telechargement/dulac_nature_2007.pdf
Some interesting quotes..
Males and females within a given animal species display identifiable differences in behaviours, mostly but not exclusively pertaining to sexual and social responses. Although these represent the most obvious examples of behavioural variability within a species, the basic principles underlying sexual dimorphism of brain function are largely unknown. Moreover, with few exceptions, the search for unique structures and circuits in male and female brains that parallel the dimorphism of peripheral sexual organs has so far met little success
The prevailing model for the sexual dimorphism of behaviours is that the sex hormone testosterone initiates the development of male- specific circuitry in the central nervous system and the activation of male-specific neuronal networks in adulthood. However, our results clearly reveal that a functional neuronal network mediating male sexual behaviour develops and persists in females. These findings suggest a new model of sexual dimorphism in which the effector circuits of both male and female behaviours exist in the brain of each sex, and are switched on or off by gender-specific sensory modulators
I guess in the future we may have a better understanding of 'sexual dimorphism' and know how to explain the differences between males and females better
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Can there ever be a thread on here about gender relations that doesn't end up like an offshoot of r/mensrights?
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On February 17 2013 12:27 tokicheese wrote:My first serious GF I had in highschool was fucking crazy... We fought pretty much every day after school and I was stupid as hell and didn't leave her. We had sex for like the third time a few days before I went camping and promised to call. I didn't end up calling her once on the trip because there was another group of super cute girls who were staying there too. I ended up hooking up with one of the girls for most of the trip I finally decided I was tired of her shit. (getting laid more times in a week than a year long relationship opens your eyes lol) When I got home she called and asked if I wanted to hang out and I told her not at all. So she said "well do you want to break up then?" She didn't really mean it but I said Sure and she went quiet for a minute. She pulled this shit all the time when we would fight and we broke up a bunch of times already before this. I told a friend of mine what happened when I was camping later that day and he was acting like a bro about it but I found out later that my now Ex was trying to fuck him constantly while we were dating and that this was pretty well known in my circle of friends. The only reason I found out about her doing that was because someone let it slip while we were talking. Then everyone was like "oh man I'm sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings or cause trouble". I don't feel any remorse about doing what I did. I did feel bad before I knew she was trying to hook up with him but after I found out I couldn't give less of a fuck. I guess being cheated on really fucked her up and pissed her off because our group of friends always went to this party house and she turned into a huggggeeeeeee slut for the rest of the summer. She was always trying to one up me if I brought a girl she would be all over whatever random guy was there that night. I remember one night we were smoking in the front yard and she was trying to get this one guy to fight me. He was like why the fuck would I fight him he's one of the nicest guys I know? They ended up making out on some random car and he fingered her in front of like 7 people o.o. Another night I ended up in bed with her best friend and we were getting down to business and she was just texting the poor girl all night telling her that I was soooo mean, was bipolar, cut myself, hit her and trying to call her at like 4 in the morning. The girl just threw her phone across the room so we could finish up though . She would constantly text me alternating between calling me a dick and then minutes later begging me to take her back and eventually I just snapped and basically told her to fuck off and that I broke up with you so I wouldn't have to deal with all of your immature shit/Grow the fuck up and move on or stop talking to me. At the start of the school year in Gr11 she started dating some guy and in the year long relationship she cheated on him 3 times and then got fingered in a crowded room in a party, went on a boat with a bunch of Frat guys got naked and fucked the boats owner and I'm sure there is even more that I don't know. She claimed she was the victim after all of this when he left her and she lost pretty much every single one of her friends who she knew since elementary school because they liked the guy more than her. Idk why he would stay with her when she cheated on him so many times but w.e. It was weird because it took months until she would sleep with me I think it's just because she was a virgin but meh. The reason it was shitty is because I thought I had really good friends but I found out otherwise. Who the fuck wouldn't tell one of their closest friends that their gf is trying to fuck them? It wasn't a secret like 6 people knew. The same kids who didn't tell me also bailed on me to hang out with her and wouldn't tell me about parties because she was there. I mean girls come and go but "your bros are supposed to be your bros bro" thats what hurt me the most.
My guess is she wasn't "trying" to fuck him. She WAS fucking him. And it was simply after you guys broke up that everyone else stopped helping her hide her whoreness. Btw those guys weren't your friends.
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On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation.
The explanation is simple and that is the aging process. The older we get, the more power we gain and thus the more respect and eventually more pussies. But for women, the further she gets away from her prime, the more paranoid she gets about her image. That's why she have makeups, over 9k of shoes and clothing to upkeep her beautiful illusion. So she have NO time to waste with a men who isn't high on the social ladder. So women would recklessly break up with men as it is countdown to nothing for her.
On February 17 2013 13:12 Reedjr wrote:
Can there ever be a thread on here about gender relations that doesn't end up like an offshoot of r/mensrights?
Well why don't you get some women in here! We'll gladly welcome them with our testosterone!
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On February 17 2013 08:40 Shiragaku wrote:
The worst part of a breakup is when people resort to sexism or become great pseudo-philosophers on love as a defense mechanism.
This is pretty much what I was thinking while reading this thread. Watching the people in this thread quote PUAs and make bold statements about how only girls treat guys or how one should never expect love to last is really entertaining. I'm glad that I've never had this bad of a breakup, my worst wasn't even that bad it was just kind of scarring.
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On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures.
Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff.
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On February 17 2013 13:17 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:27 tokicheese wrote:My first serious GF I had in highschool was fucking crazy... We fought pretty much every day after school and I was stupid as hell and didn't leave her. We had sex for like the third time a few days before I went camping and promised to call. I didn't end up calling her once on the trip because there was another group of super cute girls who were staying there too. I ended up hooking up with one of the girls for most of the trip I finally decided I was tired of her shit. (getting laid more times in a week than a year long relationship opens your eyes lol) When I got home she called and asked if I wanted to hang out and I told her not at all. So she said "well do you want to break up then?" She didn't really mean it but I said Sure and she went quiet for a minute. She pulled this shit all the time when we would fight and we broke up a bunch of times already before this. I told a friend of mine what happened when I was camping later that day and he was acting like a bro about it but I found out later that my now Ex was trying to fuck him constantly while we were dating and that this was pretty well known in my circle of friends. The only reason I found out about her doing that was because someone let it slip while we were talking. Then everyone was like "oh man I'm sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings or cause trouble". I don't feel any remorse about doing what I did. I did feel bad before I knew she was trying to hook up with him but after I found out I couldn't give less of a fuck. I guess being cheated on really fucked her up and pissed her off because our group of friends always went to this party house and she turned into a huggggeeeeeee slut for the rest of the summer. She was always trying to one up me if I brought a girl she would be all over whatever random guy was there that night. I remember one night we were smoking in the front yard and she was trying to get this one guy to fight me. He was like why the fuck would I fight him he's one of the nicest guys I know? They ended up making out on some random car and he fingered her in front of like 7 people o.o. Another night I ended up in bed with her best friend and we were getting down to business and she was just texting the poor girl all night telling her that I was soooo mean, was bipolar, cut myself, hit her and trying to call her at like 4 in the morning. The girl just threw her phone across the room so we could finish up though . She would constantly text me alternating between calling me a dick and then minutes later begging me to take her back and eventually I just snapped and basically told her to fuck off and that I broke up with you so I wouldn't have to deal with all of your immature shit/Grow the fuck up and move on or stop talking to me. At the start of the school year in Gr11 she started dating some guy and in the year long relationship she cheated on him 3 times and then got fingered in a crowded room in a party, went on a boat with a bunch of Frat guys got naked and fucked the boats owner and I'm sure there is even more that I don't know. She claimed she was the victim after all of this when he left her and she lost pretty much every single one of her friends who she knew since elementary school because they liked the guy more than her. Idk why he would stay with her when she cheated on him so many times but w.e. It was weird because it took months until she would sleep with me I think it's just because she was a virgin but meh. The reason it was shitty is because I thought I had really good friends but I found out otherwise. Who the fuck wouldn't tell one of their closest friends that their gf is trying to fuck them? It wasn't a secret like 6 people knew. The same kids who didn't tell me also bailed on me to hang out with her and wouldn't tell me about parties because she was there. I mean girls come and go but "your bros are supposed to be your bros bro" thats what hurt me the most. My guess is she wasn't "trying" to fuck him. She WAS fucking him. And it was simply after you guys broke up that everyone else stopped helping her hide her whoreness. Btw those guys weren't your friends.
I'm well aware they weren't so I stopped hanging out with them completely a loonnngggg time ago.
I don't think she ever fucked him. He told me supposedly everything a few nights after I found out. All of the times she was trying to hook up with him they were at a really "square" families house. They got mad at people for making out so I doubt they ever got the chance. But maybe they did meh.
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On February 17 2013 12:46 ArcticFox wrote:This is one long ass post, so I'll spoiler it as best as I can. How we got together:+ Show Spoiler [The crush and the relationship] +I had a crush on the same girl from the first time I saw her. In first grade. I'm going to call her Marie. (In later years, my mother would remark that I came home the first say I saw her and said, "Mommy, today I saw the girl I'm going to marry!" Adorable.)
For some background here, I was the fat kid growing up. I was also the smart kid in class. I was also retentively shy. That combination pretty much meant I got my ass beaten daily from first grade all the way up through eighth. Which made me more shy. I was not exactly a ladies' man by any stretch. I did talk to Marie more or less every day, but in that shy dorky way...well hell, for the most part we grew up geeks and nerds, you know what I mean here.
By high school I dropped the weight, filled out my frame, but was still very much the shy kid. And Marie was constantly taken. She was the head cheerleader, the prom queen, all the stuff reserved for the most popular and prettiest girl in school, but wasn't the stereotypical airhead either. She was smart, articulate, hot as hell (perfect ass....years later I can still see it when I close my eyes...), and most importantly she was still sweet and was friendly to everyone, including my still-socially-backwards self. She had the same boyfriend for the last 3 years of high school, everyone figured they were perfect for each other and were going to be married, and that was pretty much all there was to that. We had classes together where I would talk to her, do group work together, and we would talk and laugh, we'd eat lunch together, but that's as far as it ever went. It was just another school years crush story that ends like they all do -- guy pines over girl for years, does nothing about it, they both graduate and go to separate colleges 2 hours apart, and never speak to each other again.
....that is, until the next summer.
A year at college will do wonders for reinventing yourself. (cue everyone nodding remembering their first year of college) Coming home for the summer, I was out with a couple of friends picking up a pizza, when a group of girls walk in. Leading the group, who do i see? Her brown hair was longer than I remember, but her perfect curves and winning smile were unmistakable -- it was Marie, also home for the summer. When she saw me, she ran straight to me and jumped up to give me a huge hug (I'm 6'0", she's maybe 5'1" on a good day). We talked for a bit, but our order came up fast and we had to go. However, I'd become rather emboldened in the prior year, and instead of just nodding and continuing on my way, I told her we should probably get together and do something, since we're both home for the summer. She enthusiastically agreed, gave me her number, and off I went with the biggest dorky grin on my face.
I even remember the first phone call -- because this was before cell phones were a big thing (man, am I dating myself here or what? older dudes represent!), so I remember getting ahold of her Dad when I tried calling her, and him laughing because I've known him forever and him yelling, "Hey Marie, come answer the phone before this one gets away."
Anyway, to cut this part short, because you get the point by now -- we ended up dating over the summer, seeing each other 3-4 times a week. I, somehow, had ended up with the girl who I had crushed on for almost my entire cognitive life. And it was every bit as amazing as I imagined it would be.
After Summer was over, we went back to our colleges that were 2 hours away, but we would take turns driving to each other's colleges as soon as classes were out on Friday, and leave late Sunday. Yes, we were sickening, yes we were that couple, and yes, I enjoyed every damn minute of it. Shy, dorky, fat kid drops weight in High School and mans up in college, ends up in a relationship with the girl he'd crushed on for 13 years. ------------------------ The decline and the surprise:+ Show Spoiler [The breakup] +Fast-forward to a year and a half later. Relationship has been going great. We saw each other every weekend, got together and basically spent the whole summer together, all the sweet saccharine shit you see in the movies. The sex was great too -- though I could tell she was definitely more experienced than me by that point, and she taught me a lot to be sure. We talked about all things, including getting married right after college.
About the only complaint I could come up with is that she liked to spend money. Mind you, I was a college student without a job, so I wasn't exactly sugar daddying, but I did my best to spoil her as best I could. She always complained that she was broke (well stop shopping, woman!) and that she didn't know if she could make tuition etc etc.
By the time Thanksgiving rolls around (been dating for ~18 mos. by this point), I can tell something's just not right. We're getting together just as often, she's just as happy as always, but something's just....off. Looking back, I know what was different -- the money talk stopped without any real change. She seemed to be just a little out of it all the time. She would space out while talking, which she never did before. As the weeks wore on a little, she started withdrawing a little bit at a time. I was too naive at the time to know, and even at this age, I'm not sure I would have been prepared for what I found out later....
Valentine's Day. Marie worked at a fairly classy restaurant, which is obviously going to be busy on Valentine's Day and the year before she had to work, so we had to celebrate on the weekend. This year was no different. She told me the weekend before that she was going to be busy working and couldn't get together. Of course, being awesome like I am, I decided to surprise her and make the drive anyway to pick her up after work and spend a little time together. I drove up to the restaurant, dressed up in my awesome suit, and walked in to ask the girl up front where Marie was.
She wasn't working that night.
I was more confused than anything. Surely I got the date right...duh, Valentine's Day, of course I did. Maybe she got her schedule confused....oh shit, did she try to surprise me the same way? Because that would be hilarious, and also something we would do. They let me use the phone there to call her apartment (no cell phones yet, remember?), and there was no answer. I called up to my place, and there was no answer there either.
At this point, I'm at a real loss for what to do...starting to get a little irritated, and more than a little worried, I thanked the girl for letting me use the phone, hopped in my truck (yep), and headed over to her apartment. She's not there either, but her roommate was home at least. I assume she must have just gotten home, since nobody answered when I called. I knocked on the door and she came to answer.
"What are you doing here?"
You know -- it's Valentine's Day, I'm in a suit, and she asks why I'm there. No "hi." No "wow, you look great." Something serious is up.
"Hey Lynn. I went to surprise Marie at work and she's not there. Any idea where she is?"
"Ah...you know...I don't...I haven't seen her, I just got home from work."
Any pretense of hope I had was shattering quickly. I've known Lynn for a while now too. Her eyes were just sad when they looked at me, just like they had been the last few weeks.
I shoved my foot in the door. "Lynn. What's going on? Just tell me."
"You can wait for her here." And not another word.
It was about 8pm or so when I got there. It was nearly midnight when she crawled in. She flipped on the light and saw me, sitting on the couch, watching TV. Her normally bright, blue eyes were completely lifeless. Her hair was matted down, her lipstick was smeared, and she was wearing a short blue dress that didn't suit her at all.
"Happy Valentine's Day, babe," I said. I'm sure my tone wasn't incredibly loving.
She broke down crying. I remember feeling nothing, as she collapsed on top of me, sobbing into my shoulder and started talking about the last 4 months. About how she looked for another job. How a friend at work told her how much money she made stripping. How she made such good money. How customers offered to pay to sleep with her. Good money. How she refused over and over. How one of the other girls hooked her up with "a guy" that would "treat her right." How she tried all these different drugs. How she now had a heroin habit. And then, she needed a way to pay for it, and with her job, had an easy access to money....
All of this, happening right under my nose. I was a 19 year old kid, it was my first long-term relationship, and I had no idea how to process any of this. I was angry. I was sad. I was crushed. I wanted to hug her and tell her that everything would be ok. I wanted to scream and yell and tell her she was an idiot and I couldn't believe she would be so stupid.
I hugged her tight and stroked her hair. "We'll get through this." She sobbed harder. She cried until she fell asleep.
Jesus, I'm in my thirties now, and I can still remember the sounds. It was just like....pure pain. It's actually hurting to write this. More than I thought it would. Shit.
I put Marie to bed and stayed up to talk to Lynn. Neither of us were really sure what triggered her to do what she did. To this day I still don't know. I asked Lynn how bad the addiction was. Bad enough that even while crying and confessing, Marie had lied to me about how long she'd been doing it. Fuck.
Next morning, Lynn and I talk to Marie. She needs to get clean. I'll be there every step of the way. I've had the whole night to think about it. She's precious to me. She's made some bad decisions. Horrible ones. But we can work through it. We can get her clean, and....
Summer rolls around. She's still using. She's getting angrier and withdrawing more and more from me. We fight more often. I tell her she needs to go to rehab. She tells me I need to go to Hell. Lynn catches her using and bitches her out. She brings the stuff to *my* place now, since I know she was using, thinking I'd be ok with it, or at least wouldn't say anything. Of course I tell her to get that shit out of here. We yell at each other. I finally threaten to tell her parents and get her some real help if she won't quit. She straight up hits me and leaves.
I'm cutting this short, because it's fucking long -- I finally tell her parents what's going on because I want to see her get the help she needs. She, of course, breaks up with me the second she finds out. At this point I don't even care, I'm a little relived -- it's been months of hell, plus she needs the help. Show up for Valentine's Day, find out my g/f of almost 2 years has been stripping, whoring, and is a heroin addict. After trying to help her get clean for 3ish months, I get fed up and tell her parents so she can get some help, and she breaks things off. Seriously, it's worth a read, I spent enough time writing it. --------------------------------- The aftermath:+ Show Spoiler +I know that she's been clean for at least a few years now, married, with a couple of adorable children. I learned a lot during that time. Definitely would handle it differently now (was a lot more passive person back then, and much less cynical/more trusting), but I have a story to tell I guess.
Thankfully not all of my relationships have been quite THAT drama filled, but I have a lot of stories I could tell. But the first cut's always the deepest, right?
Jesus what a bummer man. Great storytelling btw. But yeah, jesus, that is one terrible experience. I'll never understand why girls sometimes just totally implode. I've seen multiple girls do this and I can't for the life of me understand why. Everything's going okay, their lives are on a rather average but not fucked up trajectory, and then out of nowhere BOOM. They just go way off the rails.
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On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone.
I dont know why but I find it sweet. Two old lovers finally realizing their relationship. They are in their 50s, right?
From how I see it, it's like a never too old for love or better late than never thing. The family is old enough to handle it I suppose.
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ArticFox reading that story made me anxious, that is some brutal shit man.
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On February 17 2013 00:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote:
The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough.
And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent... Spawn of Satan~~:+ Show Spoiler + Hahaha yeah, I have a somewhat similar relationship with an ex of mine that I lived with for 1 year. Consider her a really good friend, but a lot of hate between us too. And nice pix. She's quite attractive!! I can see how she'd put you through some crazy.
No offense, but she looks like an asian version of Sasha Grey.
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On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff.
lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does.
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On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does.
XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while.
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On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while.
Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while. Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
That's not the point of a cartel... It's about controlling supply, not eliminating it. This really isn't a difficult concept to understand. It's been done many times throughout human history already. Taliban, medieval Europe, Puritan America etc.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while. Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
You're sure 100% would say they can't?
Lol, there goes all the credibility in your argument. Not that it had much to begin with.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
26 male and doing fine, thanks
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We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies.
If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
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On February 17 2013 14:00 Diks wrote:
We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies.
If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
I like how this man thinks.
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On February 17 2013 14:00 Diks wrote:
We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies.
If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
Oddly the virus doesn't effect people who have strongly developed the neurological pathways in the brain that relate with playing large amounts of RTS games.
On February 17 2013 12:46 ArcticFox wrote:This is one long ass post, so I'll spoiler it as best as I can. How we got together:+ Show Spoiler [The crush and the relationship] +I had a crush on the same girl from the first time I saw her. In first grade. I'm going to call her Marie. (In later years, my mother would remark that I came home the first say I saw her and said, "Mommy, today I saw the girl I'm going to marry!" Adorable.)
For some background here, I was the fat kid growing up. I was also the smart kid in class. I was also retentively shy. That combination pretty much meant I got my ass beaten daily from first grade all the way up through eighth. Which made me more shy. I was not exactly a ladies' man by any stretch. I did talk to Marie more or less every day, but in that shy dorky way...well hell, for the most part we grew up geeks and nerds, you know what I mean here.
By high school I dropped the weight, filled out my frame, but was still very much the shy kid. And Marie was constantly taken. She was the head cheerleader, the prom queen, all the stuff reserved for the most popular and prettiest girl in school, but wasn't the stereotypical airhead either. She was smart, articulate, hot as hell (perfect ass....years later I can still see it when I close my eyes...), and most importantly she was still sweet and was friendly to everyone, including my still-socially-backwards self. She had the same boyfriend for the last 3 years of high school, everyone figured they were perfect for each other and were going to be married, and that was pretty much all there was to that. We had classes together where I would talk to her, do group work together, and we would talk and laugh, we'd eat lunch together, but that's as far as it ever went. It was just another school years crush story that ends like they all do -- guy pines over girl for years, does nothing about it, they both graduate and go to separate colleges 2 hours apart, and never speak to each other again.
....that is, until the next summer.
A year at college will do wonders for reinventing yourself. (cue everyone nodding remembering their first year of college) Coming home for the summer, I was out with a couple of friends picking up a pizza, when a group of girls walk in. Leading the group, who do i see? Her brown hair was longer than I remember, but her perfect curves and winning smile were unmistakable -- it was Marie, also home for the summer. When she saw me, she ran straight to me and jumped up to give me a huge hug (I'm 6'0", she's maybe 5'1" on a good day). We talked for a bit, but our order came up fast and we had to go. However, I'd become rather emboldened in the prior year, and instead of just nodding and continuing on my way, I told her we should probably get together and do something, since we're both home for the summer. She enthusiastically agreed, gave me her number, and off I went with the biggest dorky grin on my face.
I even remember the first phone call -- because this was before cell phones were a big thing (man, am I dating myself here or what? older dudes represent!), so I remember getting ahold of her Dad when I tried calling her, and him laughing because I've known him forever and him yelling, "Hey Marie, come answer the phone before this one gets away."
Anyway, to cut this part short, because you get the point by now -- we ended up dating over the summer, seeing each other 3-4 times a week. I, somehow, had ended up with the girl who I had crushed on for almost my entire cognitive life. And it was every bit as amazing as I imagined it would be.
After Summer was over, we went back to our colleges that were 2 hours away, but we would take turns driving to each other's colleges as soon as classes were out on Friday, and leave late Sunday. Yes, we were sickening, yes we were that couple, and yes, I enjoyed every damn minute of it. Shy, dorky, fat kid drops weight in High School and mans up in college, ends up in a relationship with the girl he'd crushed on for 13 years. ------------------------ The decline and the surprise:+ Show Spoiler [The breakup] +Fast-forward to a year and a half later. Relationship has been going great. We saw each other every weekend, got together and basically spent the whole summer together, all the sweet saccharine shit you see in the movies. The sex was great too -- though I could tell she was definitely more experienced than me by that point, and she taught me a lot to be sure. We talked about all things, including getting married right after college.
About the only complaint I could come up with is that she liked to spend money. Mind you, I was a college student without a job, so I wasn't exactly sugar daddying, but I did my best to spoil her as best I could. She always complained that she was broke (well stop shopping, woman!) and that she didn't know if she could make tuition etc etc.
By the time Thanksgiving rolls around (been dating for ~18 mos. by this point), I can tell something's just not right. We're getting together just as often, she's just as happy as always, but something's just....off. Looking back, I know what was different -- the money talk stopped without any real change. She seemed to be just a little out of it all the time. She would space out while talking, which she never did before. As the weeks wore on a little, she started withdrawing a little bit at a time. I was too naive at the time to know, and even at this age, I'm not sure I would have been prepared for what I found out later....
Valentine's Day. Marie worked at a fairly classy restaurant, which is obviously going to be busy on Valentine's Day and the year before she had to work, so we had to celebrate on the weekend. This year was no different. She told me the weekend before that she was going to be busy working and couldn't get together. Of course, being awesome like I am, I decided to surprise her and make the drive anyway to pick her up after work and spend a little time together. I drove up to the restaurant, dressed up in my awesome suit, and walked in to ask the girl up front where Marie was.
She wasn't working that night.
I was more confused than anything. Surely I got the date right...duh, Valentine's Day, of course I did. Maybe she got her schedule confused....oh shit, did she try to surprise me the same way? Because that would be hilarious, and also something we would do. They let me use the phone there to call her apartment (no cell phones yet, remember?), and there was no answer. I called up to my place, and there was no answer there either.
At this point, I'm at a real loss for what to do...starting to get a little irritated, and more than a little worried, I thanked the girl for letting me use the phone, hopped in my truck (yep), and headed over to her apartment. She's not there either, but her roommate was home at least. I assume she must have just gotten home, since nobody answered when I called. I knocked on the door and she came to answer.
"What are you doing here?"
You know -- it's Valentine's Day, I'm in a suit, and she asks why I'm there. No "hi." No "wow, you look great." Something serious is up.
"Hey Lynn. I went to surprise Marie at work and she's not there. Any idea where she is?"
"Ah...you know...I don't...I haven't seen her, I just got home from work."
Any pretense of hope I had was shattering quickly. I've known Lynn for a while now too. Her eyes were just sad when they looked at me, just like they had been the last few weeks.
I shoved my foot in the door. "Lynn. What's going on? Just tell me."
"You can wait for her here." And not another word.
It was about 8pm or so when I got there. It was nearly midnight when she crawled in. She flipped on the light and saw me, sitting on the couch, watching TV. Her normally bright, blue eyes were completely lifeless. Her hair was matted down, her lipstick was smeared, and she was wearing a short blue dress that didn't suit her at all.
"Happy Valentine's Day, babe," I said. I'm sure my tone wasn't incredibly loving.
She broke down crying. I remember feeling nothing, as she collapsed on top of me, sobbing into my shoulder and started talking about the last 4 months. About how she looked for another job. How a friend at work told her how much money she made stripping. How she made such good money. How customers offered to pay to sleep with her. Good money. How she refused over and over. How one of the other girls hooked her up with "a guy" that would "treat her right." How she tried all these different drugs. How she now had a heroin habit. And then, she needed a way to pay for it, and with her job, had an easy access to money....
All of this, happening right under my nose. I was a 19 year old kid, it was my first long-term relationship, and I had no idea how to process any of this. I was angry. I was sad. I was crushed. I wanted to hug her and tell her that everything would be ok. I wanted to scream and yell and tell her she was an idiot and I couldn't believe she would be so stupid.
I hugged her tight and stroked her hair. "We'll get through this." She sobbed harder. She cried until she fell asleep.
Jesus, I'm in my thirties now, and I can still remember the sounds. It was just like....pure pain. It's actually hurting to write this. More than I thought it would. Shit.
I put Marie to bed and stayed up to talk to Lynn. Neither of us were really sure what triggered her to do what she did. To this day I still don't know. I asked Lynn how bad the addiction was. Bad enough that even while crying and confessing, Marie had lied to me about how long she'd been doing it. Fuck.
Next morning, Lynn and I talk to Marie. She needs to get clean. I'll be there every step of the way. I've had the whole night to think about it. She's precious to me. She's made some bad decisions. Horrible ones. But we can work through it. We can get her clean, and....
Summer rolls around. She's still using. She's getting angrier and withdrawing more and more from me. We fight more often. I tell her she needs to go to rehab. She tells me I need to go to Hell. Lynn catches her using and bitches her out. She brings the stuff to *my* place now, since I know she was using, thinking I'd be ok with it, or at least wouldn't say anything. Of course I tell her to get that shit out of here. We yell at each other. I finally threaten to tell her parents and get her some real help if she won't quit. She straight up hits me and leaves.
I'm cutting this short, because it's fucking long -- I finally tell her parents what's going on because I want to see her get the help she needs. She, of course, breaks up with me the second she finds out. At this point I don't even care, I'm a little relived -- it's been months of hell, plus she needs the help. Show up for Valentine's Day, find out my g/f of almost 2 years has been stripping, whoring, and is a heroin addict. After trying to help her get clean for 3ish months, I get fed up and tell her parents so she can get some help, and she breaks things off. Seriously, it's worth a read, I spent enough time writing it. --------------------------------- The aftermath:+ Show Spoiler +I know that she's been clean for at least a few years now, married, with a couple of adorable children. I learned a lot during that time. Definitely would handle it differently now (was a lot more passive person back then, and much less cynical/more trusting), but I have a story to tell I guess.
Thankfully not all of my relationships have been quite THAT drama filled, but I have a lot of stories I could tell. But the first cut's always the deepest, right?
Damn that's a shame. I'm glad she finally got clean and it didn't ruin her entire life. Too bad you had to be there for the breakdown though, that's rough; there isn't much you can do there though.
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I don't actually have a really terrible break up story, the worst one I ever had was a girl that wanted to date me, told me she wanted to date my best friend first, then tried to black mail me when I said sure you can date him, I'll date this other girl then. Needless to say that wasn't the response she wanted, to a question I didn't want lol. However, my father had a significantly worse story. I don't know all the intimate details, so I'll just do the overview
A long, long time ago, in a distant land of medical school and north eastern U.S.A., among the college kids in Boston, a southern boy was attending college and doing medical school work. He was dating a girl, a pretty girl. Things were going well, and his mother questioned why they were dating, so she pushed them to marry. They got married, and were happy. Well except not exactly. You see, this girl was addicted to cocaine, since that was the drug that medical school teachers considered the least problematic at the time; Freud did it, so how bad could it be? The girl ended up needing money for this addiction, so she used her own. Now you have to understand, cocaine isn't cheap, so she ran out pretty quick. She asked my father for money, but he told her, when he married her, that he wanted her to get out of the addiction. He moved with her to his old home in the south and hoped that would change it. Unfortunately, you can take the city out of the girl but you can't take the girl out of the cocaine addiction out of the girl; she connects with the same druggy people who do cocaine and are upper echelon people. She does what any self-respecting druggy who needs their next high does who is running on $0 and .00cents does, she starts withdrawing money from her lovers bank account. My father goes to an atm to pull out money one time and sees an enormous amount withdrawn and questions her. She tells him about it, he asks her to go to rehab, she does. She gets out, repeats the process except now my father is in med school and broke. He asks for an anulment. She refuses, tells him she will see him in court. My father goes to my grandfather (a prominent lawyer in my city, at that time) and my grandfather tells him that all the allegations she will make will be false because she wants money and to pay her the money and never have her come back into his life. My father does this, not before she yanks 15k out of him (he is broke from her btw) and alleges he abused her and whatnot. He fails to secure an anulment because the girl wants her money + a divorce for whatever reason. My father is heartbroken, feels that girls only want him for his money (ironic that he had none at that point and had to pay his dad back all the money he borrowed because that is part of being a responsible adult) and finally feels that he will never find love ever. The marriage lasted 3 months.
He really talked very little about this to me, so it is possible that I got some of the details wrong, but the overall story is the same. It's a shame really, my mom has bad stories about men, so I realize that being a dick in a relationship is on both ends of the spectrum  .
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So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself...
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On February 17 2013 13:31 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. I dont know why but I find it sweet. Two old lovers finally realizing their relationship. They are in their 50s, right? From how I see it, it's like a never too old for love or better late than never thing. The family is old enough to handle it I suppose.
I'm not going to argue that divorce should never happen, but when you are married with children, a separation from the family shouldn't come as a sudden shock.
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On February 17 2013 15:21 SolidMotion wrote:
So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself...
Girls can fuck you over and hurt you bad man. Some bitches do it for the fun, sometimes you dont realize they're doing it to get you back for doing it to them.
Either way neither of them are a good feeling.
With my most recent ex(whom i still said the moment i hung out with her the first time was the person i was going to be with the rest of my life) literally got me down enough to where I wouldnt eat for a few days(very recently) at which point you just gotta say, if its meant to be it'll happen.
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My worst, breakup i guess you could say was with this one girl from HS. We talked i asked her out she said no we kept talking though, until after graduation when she went away to school. After about a year we started talking again and we had a connection i guess we talked alot. Then when she came home for winter break, me and her got really close then when we said we had feelings for one another she started saying the distance would be too much to handle, and i argued the point. She slowly stopped talking to me till about 3 weeks after she went back to school. She messaged me on Skype saying she was to "...rash" and that really cut me deep on that. So i did what people do and took her off everything and stopped talking. Fast forward a year and a half later she added me back and on FaceBook, and when i got the notification the song playing at that moment on the radio was "Not Over You". Gotta love life sometimes lol :|
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On February 17 2013 16:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 15:21 SolidMotion wrote:
So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself... Girls can fuck you over and hurt you bad man. Some bitches do it for the fun, sometimes you dont realize they're doing it to get you back for doing it to them. Either way neither of them are a good feeling. With my most recent ex(whom i still said the moment i hung out with her the first time was the person i was going to be with the rest of my life) literally got me down enough to where I wouldnt eat for a few days(very recently) at which point you just gotta say, if its meant to be it'll happen.
Yep. Thought my ex was "the one" I'd marry and all that jazz. Ended up breaking my heart and still haven't really recovered from it. It fucking sucks. Especially when they do it to get back at you for hurting them in some way. My ex went out with the guy she cheated on simply because I was actually trying to move on and talk to new girls. Ah well, just shows how low her character is. One day she'll grow up and realise how fucked up she once was.
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On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it.
Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change.
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On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change.
Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor.
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On February 17 2013 16:35 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 15:34 micronesia wrote:On February 17 2013 13:31 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. I dont know why but I find it sweet. Two old lovers finally realizing their relationship. They are in their 50s, right? From how I see it, it's like a never too old for love or better late than never thing. The family is old enough to handle it I suppose. I'm not going to argue that divorce should never happen, but when you are married with children, a separation from the family shouldn't come as a sudden shock. I agree with micronesia. It should take time and there should be a lot of communication - everything else is extremely disrespectful to your family. For the sake of the children at least it should be handled with care... The man is old enough to have experienced shit before in his life - I'm sure of that.
Having been raised by parents in a tumultuous relationship/bad marriage prolonged for the benefit of the kids, I'd say that while there might be merit to communication and consideration in divorce, kids should never be a reason to stay together. Efforts to provide a happy place to live don't pan out when it's not a loving home, I guess.
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On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor.
No I think he was trying to point out the sexism in Samsung's post. Samsung said it's okay for guys to cheat because they are horny but really women want similar things. There is never any good logic behind it regardless if gender.
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On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor.
I'm trying to have you look at it from the woman's point of view. An aging woman, meeting a boyfriend from childhood, and him offering her the chance to 'relive' her youth with him. A completely emotionally driven decision no doubt.
And yes, what she did was incredibly selfish and wrong... but emotion always wins over logic.
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On February 18 2013 01:29 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor. No I think he was trying to point out the sexism in Samsung's post. Samsung said it's okay for guys to cheat because they are horny but really women want similar things. There is never any good logic behind it regardless if gender.
Girl here.
I totally agree with this post. I just want to point out that women can get just as horny as men. I will say though (correct me if i'm wrong) when a guy cheats there isn't much emotional attachment behind it, he just does it. When a woman cheats it is still hormone driven but there is more emotion behind it and thinking, women are just built that way. So... there is a little difference to when one or the other cheats but that still doesn't make it right for either gender.
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On February 18 2013 01:41 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:29 Najda wrote:On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor. No I think he was trying to point out the sexism in Samsung's post. Samsung said it's okay for guys to cheat because they are horny but really women want similar things. There is never any good logic behind it regardless if gender. Girl here. I totally agree with this post. I just want to point out that women can get just as horny as men. I will say though (correct me if i'm wrong) when a guy cheats there isn't much emotional attachment behind it, he just does it. When a woman cheats it is still hormone driven but there is more emotion behind it and thinking, women are just built that way. So... there is a little difference to when one or the other cheats but that still doesn't make it right for either gender.
You realize you are falling into the exact same sexist pit by arguing that somehow men are less driven by emotion then women right? I mean, to broadly characterize the reasoning behind mens behavior like that is kind of silly imo.
Your basically saying its worse when men cheat because men dont care about hurting their lovers feelings as much as women do, which is total bullshit.
It isnt "men are like this... and women are like that..." people fall on a broad spectrum, it cant be simply categorized by gender.
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On February 18 2013 01:44 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:41 LOveRH wrote:On February 18 2013 01:29 Najda wrote:On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor. No I think he was trying to point out the sexism in Samsung's post. Samsung said it's okay for guys to cheat because they are horny but really women want similar things. There is never any good logic behind it regardless if gender. Girl here. I totally agree with this post. I just want to point out that women can get just as horny as men. I will say though (correct me if i'm wrong) when a guy cheats there isn't much emotional attachment behind it, he just does it. When a woman cheats it is still hormone driven but there is more emotion behind it and thinking, women are just built that way. So... there is a little difference to when one or the other cheats but that still doesn't make it right for either gender. You realize you are falling into the exact same sexist pit by arguing that somehow men are less driven by emotion then women right? I mean, to broadly characterize the reasoning behind mens behavior like that is kind of silly imo. Your basically saying its worse when men cheat because men dont care about hurting their lovers feelings as much as women, which is total bullshit.
Well... from my experience it is true. Biologically it makes sense that women would have a stronger emotional attention after sex. Staying together with your partner insures that your baby survives. While men biologically are driven to have sex with more then one mate to insure their genes survive. Therefore men have less need for an emotional attention then women. I can look up a source if you like. I swear, i got this information from a TL thread (video) on the differences of men and women when it comes to sex.
Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327138
Here is the thread i was sourcing from. Very interesting .
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On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. Another nice post (beside aTnClouD's). If us men are banded together to not accept cheating women into our lives, there wouldn't be cheating happenings in the first place since they'll acknowledge the fact that beside her current men, nobody is willing to take her in so there will be a decrease of cheating girls.
Wat? Most professional artists are men. It's an incredibly chauvinistic profession. If anything, guys are more 'artistic' with technical inclination to make it to the pro level. I don't get the reasoning behind what you say is being 'artistic' because I don't think that mindset really exists.....some people are insane I guess, but most illustrators I know are very level headed people and don't create a different perceived reality lol.
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On February 17 2013 16:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 15:21 SolidMotion wrote:
So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself... Girls can fuck you over and hurt you bad man. Some bitches do it for the fun, sometimes you dont realize they're doing it to get you back for doing it to them. Either way neither of them are a good feeling. With my most recent ex(whom i still said the moment i hung out with her the first time was the person i was going to be with the rest of my life) literally got me down enough to where I wouldnt eat for a few days(very recently) at which point you just gotta say, if its meant to be it'll happen.
I realllllly don't get the mindset that these type of girls (and sometimes guys) have. Why would you want to hurt someone like that? What gain do you have to make by hurting someone? Do these people have no fucking empathy? People like that should be shamed....
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On February 16 2013 23:10 Xiphias wrote:
I knew I guy that had a girlfriend before he was going away to a different place for 2 years (mormon missionary...) She was all like "I'll wait for you and not be with any other guy for 2 years!" She kept sending him e-mails and letters and then, after about 6 months it all stopped. He was getting suspicious and loosing hope. 1 year later he finally got a letter from the girl. Not only had she started dating another guy. She had married another guy and then they had also got a divorce because all she could think about was the guy who was away... He did not even know how to start interpreting what had occurred...
lol biggest BS ever.
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Wat? Most professional artists are men. It's an incredibly chauvinistic profession. If anything, guys are more 'artistic' with technical inclination to make it to the pro level. I don't get the reasoning behind what you say is being 'artistic' because I don't think that mindset really exists.....some people are insane I guess, but most illustrators I know are very level headed people and don't create a different perceived reality lol.
His post was humorous, I think.
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On February 18 2013 01:41 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:29 Najda wrote:On February 18 2013 01:19 micronesia wrote:On February 18 2013 01:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On February 17 2013 12:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote:
Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. Honestly, these are the kinds of stories that make my blood run cold. When a guy cheats, I usually have no trouble understanding why he did it. He was horny and the girl was hot and offering. When a girl does it, a lot of times it doesn't seem to have any sort of consistent logic or qualitative benefit to her. She just does it. Just think of it this way. This woman was married to a man for 30 years... do you think that maybe at some point she began to feel a little unhappy with her life as it was? Women can lust just like men, and this was her golden opportunity to get out and live a fantasy, do something exciting for a change. Are you saying it was okay, or just that it makes sense why she might do it? I don't see how it's acceptable, if you are unhappy with your family after decades, to just leave it out of the blue. There should be intermediate steps like seeing a counselor. No I think he was trying to point out the sexism in Samsung's post. Samsung said it's okay for guys to cheat because they are horny but really women want similar things. There is never any good logic behind it regardless if gender. Girl here. I totally agree with this post. I just want to point out that women can get just as horny as men. I will say though (correct me if i'm wrong) when a guy cheats there isn't much emotional attachment behind it, he just does it. When a woman cheats it is still hormone driven but there is more emotion behind it and thinking, women are just built that way. So... there is a little difference to when one or the other cheats but that still doesn't make it right for either gender.
LOL sexist?? What exactly is sexist about it?
If the story was that the old mother ran away with some handsome studly 25 yr old cabana boy she met on a cruise ship, I could 100% understand her logic. Running away with a childhood boyfriend who is probably the same age if not older than her current husband and marginally better looking makes no sense to me. Unless he grew very wealthy in all those intervening years. That part wasn't mentioned so I have no way of knowing. Stfu with the sexism crap. At no point in my post did I say guys get a free pass for cheating. I said it made SENSE on a logical level. Learn to read Naj.
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On February 18 2013 01:59 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:01 arb wrote:On February 17 2013 15:21 SolidMotion wrote:
So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself... Girls can fuck you over and hurt you bad man. Some bitches do it for the fun, sometimes you dont realize they're doing it to get you back for doing it to them. Either way neither of them are a good feeling. With my most recent ex(whom i still said the moment i hung out with her the first time was the person i was going to be with the rest of my life) literally got me down enough to where I wouldnt eat for a few days(very recently) at which point you just gotta say, if its meant to be it'll happen. I realllllly don't get the mindset that these type of girls (and sometimes guys) have. Why would you want to hurt someone like that? What gain do you have to make by hurting someone? Do these people have no fucking empathy? People like that should be shamed....
I don't understand it either. They are like egomaniacs who think the world owes them a perfect life. Once, I was dumped by a girl after living together for a year or so, and I took it pretty hard. She on the other hand IMMEDIATELY went out and got a new bf within weeks. She was talking to him the last 2 months we were together, so no surprise there.
Being as broken-hearted as I was, I went on a man-whore rampage to try to forget her, seeing as how guys are always talking about how the best cure for losing old pussy is new pussy. Believe it or not, I did not have a good time with my man-whoring. I got with 7 diff chicks over the course of a year, but all were shitty flings. There was very little emotional connection with any of them. And all the while me and my ex kept in contact because I still considered her a good friend. She always asked what I was doing etc, so I was pretty free about telling her, and yeah a part of me wanted to brag to let her know I wasn't down and out.
Lo and behold, she breaks up with her boyfriend after 1.5 years, and then starts trying to hit me up like crazy. I meet her up for dinner, but I make it pretty clear I'm not looking for a relationship because hell no do I want to be her rebound. I have a sense of pride and I'm not just going to let her pick me back up like some discarded toy she feels like playing with again. But, over the course of 2 months, as we hung out a lot, I started to remember why I liked her coz we really do get along well. Unfortunately, she got royally pissed about being rejected by me, so she went on some rock-climbing trip where she tried to hook up with another guy and got rejected relationship-wise too. So she was all bitter etc etc. Goes totally bonkers looking for FWB on the internet and meets tons of random dudes for dates, and now all she tries to do is brag about all the FWBs she has. I try to tell her that's not something to brag about. But ever since then all she wants to do is tell me how sexually liberated she is and YOLO etc etc.
Ofc, I blew up at her coz I was getting annoyed with her childishness, plus she was kind of putting my heart in a blender all over again. Her response to my anger was that I have no right to criticize because I went on a spree for awhile after we broke up. !??!? Does that make any sense to you guys? She breaks up with me. She hops right into bed with another guy. And then she's holding it over MY head that I went out and talked to other girls? I'm not even the one hitting her up. She tries to talk to me all the damned time. Except it's just to tell me how happy and sexual she is now. wtf?? It's like she wants to make me feel bad for hurting her feelings, except nothing I did was intentional or unreasonable. She'd always ASK and want all the juicy details as if I was her confidante. And she just has the hugest ego I've ever seen. As if any guy who doesn't bow to her every whim is an asshole who's given her the gravest insult ever. Oh yeah, and she's a hot asian girl from a well-to-do but divorced family. Maybe that's why she's like that -_-.
Anyhow, it's absolutely impossible to win with her and it pisses me off to no end. At any given moment she can just turn on her phone and have a horde of guys stampeding to give her the VIP treatment. As a man, I literally can NOT win in this competition. Not until we're both 45, and who knows even then? She'll probably just wise up eventually and pretend to be really sweet to some poor, rich sap who will wife her up. It's what her mom did and now that old golddigger lives in a castle in France, while my ex's real dad lives in some tiny split-level he bought close to his daughter's college so she wouldn't have to live in a dorm. He doesn't have a job anymore, because he lost it during the divorce due to emotional exhaustion/depression, and he's practically broke.
My ex, his daughter, never talks to him because she says there's nothing to say. Go figure. But she talks to her mom, despite hating her guts, because guess what her mom's NEW husband has private jets. Fucking women.
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This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog.
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On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog.
Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her.
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On February 18 2013 02:39 SamsungStar wrote:
LOL sexist?? What exactly is sexist about it?
If the story was that the old mother ran away with some handsome studly 25 yr old cabana boy she met on a cruise ship, I could 100% understand her logic. Running away with a childhood boyfriend who is probably the same age if not older than her current husband and marginally better looking makes no sense to me. Unless he grew very wealthy in all those intervening years. That part wasn't mentioned so I have no way of knowing. Stfu with the sexism crap. At no point in my post did I say guys get a free pass for cheating. I said it made SENSE on a logical level. Learn to read Naj.
Are regrets really that hard to understand? Or are you too young to regret people who you cared about but who disappeared for various reasons?
It is a selfish act, but it is somewhat "logical" nonetheless. In fact, I'd say it isn't as worse as cheating just for the sex. In this case, love and hope are involved. I find it odd that you can easily understand how someone could misbehave because of sex, but not because of romantic feelings and fond memories.
On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable.
The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed.
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On February 18 2013 04:41 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 02:39 SamsungStar wrote:
LOL sexist?? What exactly is sexist about it?
If the story was that the old mother ran away with some handsome studly 25 yr old cabana boy she met on a cruise ship, I could 100% understand her logic. Running away with a childhood boyfriend who is probably the same age if not older than her current husband and marginally better looking makes no sense to me. Unless he grew very wealthy in all those intervening years. That part wasn't mentioned so I have no way of knowing. Stfu with the sexism crap. At no point in my post did I say guys get a free pass for cheating. I said it made SENSE on a logical level. Learn to read Naj.
Are regrets really that hard to understand? Or are you too young to regret people who you cared about but who disappeared for various reasons? It is a selfish act, but it is somewhat "logical" nonetheless. In fact, I'd say it isn't as worse as cheating just for the sex. In this case, love and hope are involved. I find it odd that you can easily understand how someone could misbehave because of sex, but not because of romantic feelings and fond memories. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed.
This, men and women are largely the same on average, at the least it doesn't do you too good to think of them as completely different.
Whether guys elevate women to unicorn status, and try to win them over with chivalrous tactics but then are bitter when it doesn't work.. OR women who expect other specific unrealistic things... you should really just focus on being confident and interesting and build things from there.
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On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her.
/facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process.
Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story.
Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc.
Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system.
This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men.
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The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed.
But there are striking differences between male and female mating behavior, in humans just as in many other species. This is scientific fact that goes beyond just societal norms and constraints.
Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system.
Of course this is a heavy over-generalisation, but there is some truth here. In literature, it seems women who leave a stable marriage for excitement are liberating themselves, while men who do the same are being selfish and abandoning their responsibilities.
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Gotta stop reading this horrid thread.
I'm not sure what's worse, the terrible story you tell or the guys who jump to conclusions, generalize the entire female sex and demonize every sexual act ever "perpetrated" by a member of the fairer sex. There's 3 about billion women on the planet, obviously there are a couple cold hearted whores. If you don't believe there are decent, lovely ladies out there who share your idea of a relationship, what's the point of it all?
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I don't consider this as a "worst," but it's my only real story I can think of that sort of qualifies.
My girlfriend and I had been together about three years, but I started to not feel the same way anymore. We had been very serious even only being together for three years, had discussed a future, marriage, children, etc... but things just were different. All the things I used to ignore or not let bother me, were becoming more and more cumbersome and annoying. Her quirks, and general "bossiness" was extremely aggravating, and the stuff we used to do, just kind of changed.
Anyways, as I was dealing with my feelings, I had kind of decided I was going to end it, but not right away. She was changing her program at university and changing to a college/university course for nursing, which would require her to move back to the city we came from. I planned to end it around that time that those things were finalized. The only person I had expressed this to, was a friend I had on Facebook.
Now, one day at her work, she had one of her co-workers reveal that she had been cheated on. My ex, being paranoid, went onto my Facebook that night while I was in the bedroom, and discovered my message to my friend indicating that my feelings had changed and figured I was going to end it soon. Understandably, she was extremely upset. She had tried to talk about changing, and giving her a second chance to fix things, but under my theories regarding things, I couldn't put that on her.
She got very cold to me after that, because I had refused a second chance, and she continued to live with me until it came time for her to move.
Like I said, not the "worst" but definitely a really bad way to find out/experience.
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On February 18 2013 04:41 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 02:39 SamsungStar wrote:
LOL sexist?? What exactly is sexist about it?
If the story was that the old mother ran away with some handsome studly 25 yr old cabana boy she met on a cruise ship, I could 100% understand her logic. Running away with a childhood boyfriend who is probably the same age if not older than her current husband and marginally better looking makes no sense to me. Unless he grew very wealthy in all those intervening years. That part wasn't mentioned so I have no way of knowing. Stfu with the sexism crap. At no point in my post did I say guys get a free pass for cheating. I said it made SENSE on a logical level. Learn to read Naj.
Are regrets really that hard to understand? Or are you too young to regret people who you cared about but who disappeared for various reasons? It is a selfish act, but it is somewhat "logical" nonetheless. In fact, I'd say it isn't as worse as cheating just for the sex. In this case, love and hope are involved. I find it odd that you can easily understand how someone could misbehave because of sex, but not because of romantic feelings and fond memories. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed.
Regrets? What a crock of shit. You spend 30+ years with a guy, you have kids with him, you see it to the bitter end. It's what I would do if I had a wife. Even if I was pining for some other girl on the side, I'd keep it together and do what was right. Because that's what my wife earned over her 30+ years of loyalty. She earned mine. There is nothing logical about feelings. There is nothing logical about chasing something that could disappear at the drop of a hat. Idiotic notions like love and hope are exactly the reason modern society is decaying. I'll take righteousness and pragmatism over love and hope any day of the year. Corruption of the soul, catering to the lowest common denominator, and an absolute capitulation to every base and immediate desire is not a life worth living.
P.S. I say this as an atheist.
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On February 18 2013 04:52 kafkaesque wrote:
Gotta stop reading this horrid thread.
I'm not sure what's worse, the terrible story you tell or the guys who jump to conclusions, generalize the entire female sex and demonize every sexual act ever "perpetrated" by a member of the fairer sex. There's 3 about billion women on the planet, obviously there are a couple cold hearted whores. If you don't believe there are decent, lovely ladies out there who share your idea of a relationship, what's the point of it all?
Nobody ever said there isn't any decent women. I think there are plenty. But I do think the supply of them in America is dwindling by the day, and a lot of that has to do with advances in comm. tech and social influences.
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On February 18 2013 04:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:41 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 02:39 SamsungStar wrote:
LOL sexist?? What exactly is sexist about it?
If the story was that the old mother ran away with some handsome studly 25 yr old cabana boy she met on a cruise ship, I could 100% understand her logic. Running away with a childhood boyfriend who is probably the same age if not older than her current husband and marginally better looking makes no sense to me. Unless he grew very wealthy in all those intervening years. That part wasn't mentioned so I have no way of knowing. Stfu with the sexism crap. At no point in my post did I say guys get a free pass for cheating. I said it made SENSE on a logical level. Learn to read Naj.
Are regrets really that hard to understand? Or are you too young to regret people who you cared about but who disappeared for various reasons? It is a selfish act, but it is somewhat "logical" nonetheless. In fact, I'd say it isn't as worse as cheating just for the sex. In this case, love and hope are involved. I find it odd that you can easily understand how someone could misbehave because of sex, but not because of romantic feelings and fond memories. On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed. Regrets? What a crock of shit. You spend 30+ years with a guy, you have kids with him, you see it to the bitter end. It's what I would do if I had a wife. Even if I was pining for some other girl on the side, I'd keep it together and do what was right. Because that's what my wife earned over her 30+ years of loyalty. She earned mine. There is nothing logical about feelings. There is nothing logical about chasing something that could disappear at the drop of a hat. Idiotic notions like love and hope are exactly the reason modern society is decaying. I'll take righteousness and pragmatism over love and hope any day of the year. Corruption of the soul, catering to the lowest common denominator, and an absolute capitulation to every base and immediate desire is not a life worth living. P.S. I say this as an atheist.
Have you read Anna Karenina?
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On February 18 2013 04:49 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed. But there are striking differences between male and female mating behavior, in humans just as in many other species. This is scientific fact that goes beyond just societal norms and constraints. Show nested quote +Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system.
Of course this is a heavy over-generalisation, but there is some truth here. In literature, it seems women who leave a stable marriage for excitement are liberating themselves, while men who do the same are being selfish and abandoning their responsibilities.
It's a generalization, but by its nature it has to be one because I'm talking about societal biases and normative views. In literature, in media, in entertainment, everywhere you see this pervasive notion of female sexual empowerment giving them free license to act without morals or conscience.
And their justification for doing so is that all men are cheating pigs who will drop you at any moment for a younger, hotter, kinkier woman, so you might as well play him to the hilt and beat him at his own game.
At no point in this conversation is it said that there are decent guys out there. In fact, all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy who yes will do exactly what the women say he will do, which is cheat, slut about, and drop her for a younger, hotter chick as soon as he can.
Yet, as I shake my head, I see guys running in this thread ready to white-knight and claim that this is all just sexist hate-ranting, not seeming to realize that this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell.
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this might sound bit too much like dick-sucking, but samsungstar, i really like the way you think/articulate and i would buy you a beer if we ever met.
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On February 18 2013 05:13 phosphorylation wrote:
this might sound bit too much like dick-sucking, but samsungstar, i really like the way you think/articulate and i would buy you a beer if we ever met.
haha thanks man. It's just a topic I feel strongly about, as is probably obvious. I'm in Florida atm, but if I'm ever in your neck of the woods, I'll look you up :D
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I would gladly sit with SamsungStar as well to talk about this...he's one of the people in this thread that REALIZED the REAL TRUTH that is behind relationships and girls....There are so many guys out there that are being literally delusional and playing it totally AFC,regardless to say that everyone at some point of his life was an AFC.
If there wasn't a women to come to your life and change you/decimate you,i would be the same person,the same person who is doing everything all up and nice,and at the end gets broken up inside,because he thought everything was beautiful.
It's true,girls WANT AND SEEK men with power,nice car,good bank check and a nice house.Their BIOLOGICAL clock inside of them is ticking and they want children at the end,children that would need money and safety to be born and raised.
It's not random that women of beauty that were in the prehistoric years were seeking the strongest men,because they simply would have been able to bring them safety and have children.
However in 21 Century,you don't have animals wild cats aligators and such to be defended from,you now have a huge society that is consisted of people and particularly of people battling for jobs,careers,prosperity.We live in a century of uncertainty.Women wont SAFETY AND HIGH VALUE.
If you cannot bring this,you would never be able to succeed with women.
Give me one example of a high quality women,who is for instance a singer,star,celebrity that dates the guy living in a cheap part of the town,driving a 1000$ car,and is close to poverty?Well this would never happen,we live in reality,not movies.
Part of me want to say that women are BITCHES,no,no don't spell it like that.They have instincts that they follow,its quite sad,quite indeed sad they follow such a first signal instincts,but oh well,our brain works because of our internal systems,so as a emotional individual you wouldn't be able to function without these first signal systems,you will eventually DIE.
Beautiful LOVE between two people exists really rarely,i mean fucking rarely...Again this is not the movies,its real life,where things happen.By default people lie to each other about so many things,they hide so many things in a relationship,their past,their TRUE desires,their SEX FANTASIES even.Is that fucking normal to you?To lie to the person that you wake up to next every day?Well this is twisted and wrong on so many levels.
My ex said something that totally fucked me up "I cannot like a quality in you,that i dislike in myself". Also i thought it would be great to be 100% honest about everything,guess what 100% honesty didn't work,i only distanced her from myself,until when it was all over
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Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that.
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On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog.
Female cats must be complete bitches
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Worst breakup I've heard of:
Guy and girl are dating, guy wants out. on April 1st, he goes up to her and says "you know what's a joke? This relationship!" and walks away. It took the girl 3 days to realize he was being serious.
I tried typing my own worst breakup story, but it just made me realize how much of a little bitch I was back in high school so I stopped and watched some Husky vids instead, because I have my priorities in order!
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On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:
/facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process.
So do men. It all comes down to very trivial things in the end, but such is life. If you're ugly, then you're just unlucky, and that's the end of it. Meanwhile, the world carries on.
Marriage was considered sacred a couple of decades ago, it's true. It wasn't really about love or attraction, it was about stability through strong social pressure. If you like this old-fashioned model, than you could move to another country where it's possible to marry your kids by the age of ten and tie their destiny to an unknown partner.
The path of freedom is what we chose today, but it may not suit your desires.
I'll also disregard that nonsense about women stealing, I hope you were just joking. If not, then it's a striking proof that you're simply a bitter, resentful man. As for myself, I have found sincere love and I feel only respect towards both men and women.
On February 18 2013 04:49 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed. But there are striking differences between male and female mating behavior, in humans just as in many other species. This is scientific fact that goes beyond just societal norms and constraints.
But what are these striking differences? It is hard to tell, and if you take the time to dig through research you'll find that some scientists think that most of these differences are cultural, as underlined by anthropological studies.
The most obvious ones, such as pregnancy, constitute only a small portion of what is usually considered "feminine" or "masculine". And it surely is very different than saying that "men are dogs, and women are cats".
Just read this last page, so much pseudo-science thrown randomly here and there.
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On February 18 2013 04:55 SamsungStar wrote:
Regrets? What a crock of shit. You spend 30+ years with a guy, you have kids with him, you see it to the bitter end. It's what I would do if I had a wife. Even if I was pining for some other girl on the side, I'd keep it together and do what was right. Because that's what my wife earned over her 30+ years of loyalty. She earned mine. There is nothing logical about feelings. There is nothing logical about chasing something that could disappear at the drop of a hat. Idiotic notions like love and hope are exactly the reason modern society is decaying. I'll take righteousness and pragmatism over love and hope any day of the year. Corruption of the soul, catering to the lowest common denominator, and an absolute capitulation to every base and immediate desire is not a life worth living.
P.S. I say this as an atheist.
Oh really, you it to the bitter end... how old are you to say that? What kind of responsabilities have you to cast such a harsh judgement on someone? : )
It's funny, I used to think the same way when I was a child. My father ran away when I was born (booo women, booo... wait), and I had always been very resentful for that. But stepping into the adult world made me realize I wasn't necessarily a better person, and that I have no right to judge him so harshly, because I had faced difficult situations but nothing as difficult as being a 20 years old father. I look at my grandparents, and I can't imagine how hard it would be for me to be as stoic as they have been, being married to someone I don't particularly like and spending my life with that person, giving up on any dreams or plans I ever had. Maybe I have it in me, maybe I don't, but until then I will only allow myself to frown upon those who run away from responsabilities I've never approached myself. No more, no less.
You also make it sound more acceptable to be a coward and "pin some girl on the side". Isn't it odd to promote stoicism only to admit that you prefer the easy way out? As for myself, I believe that it is better to be honest not only to your partner, but also to your children. Hey, I grew up without a dad and I'm fine. A divorce is fine. Life is hard, deal with it!
But hey, if your definition of "loyalty" is "pinning some girl on the side"...
I also seems odd to say that :
- love and hope are causes of decay, since they are the very things that drive us forward. Without love, without empathy, man isn't a social animal. Without hope, man isn't a spiritual animal.
- you prefer righteousness, when you speak of loyalty in terms of "pinning a girl on the side", as if it wasn't such a big deal
- (this is the icing on the cake) you prefer pragmatism... before speaking of "corruption of the soul". There is no such thing as a "soul", from a pragmatic point of view.
At this point you're simply trying to rationalize your bitterness towards women in general, which is... not the most righteous and pragmatic position I've seen.
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On February 18 2013 06:33 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:
/facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. So do men. It all comes down to very trivial things in the end, but such is life. If you're ugly, then you're just unlucky, and that's the end of it. Meanwhile, the world carries on. Marriage was considered sacred a couple of decades ago, it's true. It wasn't really about love or attraction, it was about stability through strong social pressure. If you like this old-fashioned model, than you could move to another country where it's possible to marry your kids by the age of ten and tie their destiny to an unknown partner. The path of freedom is what we chose today, but it may not suit your desires. I'll also disregard that nonsense about women stealing, I hope you were just joking. If not, then it's a striking proof that you're simply a bitter, resentful man. As for myself, I have found sincere love and I feel only respect towards both men and women. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:49 Warlock40 wrote:The first step towards less foreveraloneness is to realize that men and women aren't that different from each other. When you're making statements as blunt as saying "men are like dogs, women are like cats", you're simply generalizing the very few relationships you've witnessed. But there are striking differences between male and female mating behavior, in humans just as in many other species. This is scientific fact that goes beyond just societal norms and constraints. But what are these striking differences? It is hard to tell, and if you take the time to dig through research you'll find that some scientists think that most of these differences are cultural, as underlined by anthropological studies. The most obvious ones, such as pregnancy, constitute only a small portion of what is usually considered "feminine" or "masculine". And it surely is very different than saying that "men are dogs, and women are cats". Just read this last page, so much pseudo-science thrown randomly here and there.
I'm not bitter. I love guys like Kukaracha. They remind me of a classroom full of 8th graders who all believe they're going to achieve their dreams.
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My life has only been success so far, and my girlfriend is one of them. Sorry for being a strong, ambitious person. ; )
Though I'm only Diamond in SC2, I'll give you that...
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On February 18 2013 06:44 Kukaracha wrote:
My life has only been success so far, and my girlfriend is one of them. Sorry for being a strong, ambitious person. ; )
Though I'm only Diamond in SC2, I'll give you that...
You're also a clown trying to engage in an e-peen contest. Get lost if you can't form a coherent argument.
Also, what does this paragraph actually mean?
On February 18 2013 06:39 Kukaracha wrote:
You also make it sound more acceptable to be a coward and "pin some girl on the side". Isn't it odd to promote stoicism only to admit that you prefer the easy way out? As for myself, I believe that it is better to be honest not only to your partner, but also to your children. Hey, I grew up without a dad and I'm fine. A divorce is fine. Life is hard, deal with it!
But hey, if your definition of "loyalty" is "pinning some girl on the side"...
In English.
User was warned for this post
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On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that.
You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life.
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On February 18 2013 05:49 sparkk51 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog.
Female cats must be complete bitches
But... that's not possible because a female dog is a...
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I don't have an e-peen. In fact, my online life is very plain and boring! I'm e-peeneeless.
As for that paragraph, hm...
"Are you saying that it is more acceptable to secretly indulge in adultery? I do believe that it is contradictory with the idea that one should not divorce, since hidden adultery is the "easy way", the path of weak-willed cowards, while a lifetime of restraint is more on the side of stoicism.
I personnally believe that it is better to be honest with you wife and kids, as divorces don't break people, bad divorces do (just like not having a father didn't break me).
I also question your definition of loyalty, if you consider that a unfaithful man can still be considered a loyal person."
I hope it makes sense now. : )
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On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life.
Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough.
Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes.
When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all.
That's probably what your ex is feeling right now.
All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it.
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I don't know if this is the right place to post this or what but after reading some of the responses...
When I was younger I was much too easily swayed by women (hard not to be strongly effected by someone you want and like THAT much). When I really liked a chick I would bend over backwards for her and be a complete doormat. When she hurt me id decide all women were bitches and be arrogant and treat them like crap. Wasn't til I got older that I realized that was no way to live life. I dunno what's right for anyone else but for me, I just have a set of principles and stick to them regardless of who it is I'm dealing with. I've learned this is the only way for me to keep sane. I try not to overly give a fuck what women, or basically anyone else, wants or likes, I just care that I live up to my own standards. Tying your self worth or sense of self to what someone else wants is just a formula for stress/failure.
I guess what im saying is... Don't sacrifice your principles for women, or anyone for that matter. Listen to your guts and your conscience and fuck what some women thinks of you.
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On February 18 2013 07:02 Kukaracha wrote:
I don't have an e-peen. In fact, my online life is very plain and boring! I'm e-peeneeless.
As for that paragraph, hm...
"Are you saying that it is more acceptable to secretly indulge in adultery? I do believe that it is contradictory with the idea that one should not divorce, since hidden adultery is the "easy way", the path of weak-willed cowards, while a lifetime of restraint is more on the side of stoicism.
I personnally believe that it is better to be honest with you wife and kids, as divorces don't break people, bad divorces do (just like not having a father didn't break me).
I also question your definition of loyalty, if you consider that a unfaithful man can still be considered a loyal person."
I hope it makes sense now. : )
Pining does not mean adultery. It means thinking of someone, longing for them, and NOT consummating your feelings, as in NOT cheating on your wife and just giving up your feelings for another person.
In general, your entire rebuttal was off-topic because you didn't understand what I was saying. I've already rebutted your 2nd point, so I might as well rebut your other two now.
1st point: You can't form an opinion until you've been in that situation.
False: It is quite easy for humans to form opinions without being placed in the exact same situation. For instance, I am not a father. I have never raised a child. But I do know leaving your kid in a car for 4 hours while you go in a hotel room to have an affair is wrong.
By your logic, I would be unable to judge a man who did such a thing because I have never been a father. Do you see how idiotic this rationale is?
3rd point: Love and hope blah blah
Love is a subjective term. It means different things to everyone. Therefore, it is not something you can claim society is built on, seeing as its an abstract term. Also, it's just complete horse shit. Humans banded together to form civilizations for the purposes of resource sharing, economies of scale, mutual protection, and division of labor. They did not do so for the sake of singing Kumbayah and making kissy face.
Hope suffers due to the same fundamental issues as love. Gambling is an activity based on hope. Affairs are based on hope. Armed robberies are based on hope. Mass genocide of the Jews was based on hope. EVERYTHING is based on hope, because hope in the way you're using it is merely expectation or motivation based on future benefit. In essence, a completely nonsensical form of valuation.
4th point: Cake Icing
Pragmatism does not preclude the notion of a soul. Pragmatism is basing decisions on rational, definable, quantifiable benefits to a reasonable degree. And yes, your conscience, your mental health, your sense of moral rectitude, those are tangible, quantifiable benefits. Absolutely ludicrous you would try to claim pragmatism excludes any consideration for these aspects of health and well-being.
In summary, your argument was poorly conceived.
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On February 18 2013 07:08 Zahir wrote:
I don't know if this is the right place to post this or what but after reading some of the responses...
When I was younger I was much too easily swayed by women (hard not to be strongly effected by someone you want and like THAT much). When I really liked a chick I would bend over backwards for her and be a complete doormat. When she hurt me id decide all women were bitches and be arrogant and treat them like crap. Wasn't til I got older that I realized that was no way to live life. I dunno what's right for anyone else but for me, I just have a set of principles and stick to them regardless of who it is I'm dealing with. I've learned this is the only way for me to keep sane. I try not to overly give a fuck what women, or basically anyone else, wants or likes, I just care that I live up to my own standards. Tying your self worth or sense of self to what someone else wants is just a formula for stress/failure.
I guess what im saying is... Don't sacrifice your principles for women, or anyone for that matter. Listen to your guts and your conscience and fuck what some women thinks of you.
That's fantastic advice.
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My worst one was when I winded up my arms and SMASHED my keyboard. It felt extremely good. But I felt hell as stupid 2 minutes later...
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On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it.
I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. He made her life a living hell (she's the emotional type and had a stressfull period that would determine whether she was going to get accepted by a medical school), I didn't take it nearly as badly.
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On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it.
You have some terrible luck meeting people if you think that kind of stuff is common and normal, lol.
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On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such.
Do you live at home with your family?
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On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family?
I do, why?
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On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why?
Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house.
The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant.
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On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men.
Marriage vows are as sacred as people think they are. You have a view of the past that is a bit too rosy. My late grandparents were married for over 50 years, but mainly due to social/religious pressure. My dad and his sisters agreed that, if they had been a couple this day and age, their marriage would not have last. It's no use being in a relationship if you get no more satisfaction and personal fullfilment out of it.
I've had a rough breakup recently. Granted, what I did was stupid, and I should have seen it coming, but still. I made the mistake of dating a married woman for a month. There's plenty of reasons why she was attracted to me but the main reason, in hindsight, was because I filled a lot of holes her husband no longer did. It's nothing more than that. Why did she cheat on her husband? Because he no longer gave her the emotional and physical support she needed. I did that. When push came to shove, however, she dumped me and went back to her husband. It hurt because we really envisioned and planned a whole future together, but in the end the idea of "sanctity of marriage" -she was rather religious- won over following her heart and being happy.
If you're conservative, you would probably applaud her for, in the end, sticking to her marriage (despite the fact that it's not a very fullfilling one). After all, it is a sacred thing. However, ask yourself: would you want to stay in a marriage or relationship that does not bring you the physical and emotional fullfilment you require? Would you stay in a relationship if you feel that you and your partner behave more like friends than like a couple? Would you stay in a relationship if you feel that your partner pretty much takes you for granted? Would you stay in a relationship if you see that all the effort you put into trying to make it better, make it clear to your significant other that there is something you're missing falls on deaf ears, time and time again?
If I were in such a relationship, I would break up because I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite who keeps things going just for the sake of having a relationship or, what often seems to be the case, routine. It's different of course when there are children involved. It may sound cold, but I would not care what the family thinks of me. I would just hope they'd understand, and that, if possible, we can remain on friendly terms.
Relationships, and even friendships, require a lot of giving. If you feel that the giving is one-directional, however, I don't see the point in maintaining a marriage or a relationship, or even friendship. I haven't had much luck in the dating-department, but I do have a lot of close friends, because I've always put a lot of effort into those friendships.
You gave the example of the woman leaving her family of thirty years in the lurch. I don't see why that would matter? When you marry someone, you marry to the other person. You don't marry that person's family, at least not in western Europe (which probably explains why divorce rates are as high as they are). Again, if two people are in a happy, healthy relationship, the idea of cheating will probably not even cross their minds. The "trick" is to notice when things are starting to go downhill, so you can fix it before the whole thing explodes. Chances are your family/friends will have already noticed that something is wrong, even when you think that everything's fine. Communication is key here.
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On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why?
Maybe we are not getting the full story but maybe she left you cause you still live at home with your family? What direction are you currently heading? Does she view you as going nowhere? If she really left because of your brother then the relationship wasn't that strong to begin with.
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On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant.
Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?).
I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent).
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On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men.
You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again.
Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments.
And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up.
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On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent).
Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men.
EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story.
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On February 18 2013 08:05 Shelke14 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent). Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men. EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story.
No, I was not. It wasn't me who was talking about 7 years long relationship. I said I was in a similar situation, not in the exact same situation (I think you just confused me with the guy whose post I replied to). I only tried to give my honest advise (that maintaining that hope, when she's giving you glimpses of it, is not worth it), didn't really want to share my story because it's complicated and too personal.
It was also not my intention to attack anyone. It's just that SamsungStar's attitude and view on women is too cynical due to the fact he was hurt and used by a bad person. I think he needs to realize that not all women are like what he describes. I know plenty of women who are not like that, who have stable, healthy relationships with guys who aren't exactly CEO's. Maybe it's because the second wave of feminism hasn't really gotten to Poland yet.
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On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up.
I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It's always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part.
Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you.
I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle.
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On February 18 2013 08:18 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:05 Shelke14 wrote:On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent). Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men. EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story. No, I was not. It wasn't me who was talking about 7 years long relationship. I said I was in a similar situation, not in the exact same situation (I think you just confused me with the guy whose post I replied to). I only tried to give my honest advise (that maintaining that hope, when she's giving you glimpses of it, is not worth it), didn't really want to share my story because it's complicated and too personal. It was also not my intention to attack anyone. It's just that SamsungStar's attitude and view on women is too cynical due to the fact he was hurt and used by a bad person. I think he needs to realize that not all women are like what he describes. I know plenty of women who are not like that, who have stable, healthy relationships with guys who aren't exactly CEO's. Maybe it's because the second wave of feminism hasn't really gotten to Poland yet.
Hey, my bad man. I'm not trying to tell you what she was doing. I didn't mean to come off that way. Because I don't know her or you well enough to claim with any confidence what's going on. I'm just saying in general the types of problems you described boil down to money problems. Family approval becomes irrelevant when you've got money and your own house.
Honestly not claiming your ex was some massive gold-digger. But there is a baseline most any woman will demand when it comes to her man, and that baseline has to do with money. And yeah, I can't speak at all for Poland. Every country's dating scene is different.
My attitude isn't based on ONE person though, far from it LOL.
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It might be a matter of staying in the right/wrong environment, I dunno. I know there are sluts and gold-diggers out there, but I haven't really met many, probably a few, actually. Most women I know have stable, long lasting relationships. On top of that, three of my best friends are females.
Anyway, on topic: one of my friends from high school dumped his girlfriend on her birthday. He didn't think it was that big of a deal, he wasn't that attached to her. He later told me that now he thinks this was a horrible thing to do, and he didn't treat girls right because one girl he was really fond of played with him and hurt him badly.
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haha! you are right! It was the wrong person.. fuck, sorry. My bad!
Dumping on birthday..... thats is fucked up. My buddy just dumped his gf of 5 years on V-day.
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On February 16 2013 22:05 Gesamtkunstwerk wrote:
This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair.
A long distance relationship for 5 years? That guy was crazy for thinking the girl actually cared about him :/
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SamsungStar's attitude doesn't strike me as helpful. One woman hurt him, but why should that experience matter?
Also: "there are sluts and gold diggers out there" -- women don't put up performances for years just to 'steal your gold' without you noticing. If you attract these women maybe that says something negative about your attitude towards them.
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On one wintery, cold, snowy Ohio night I was over at my good friend Brandon's house. Brandon had a girlfriend by the name of Stephani and ever since the beginning of this relationship I already knew it was going to end bad! On this cold Ohio night we were doing the usual and hanging out, playing video games, etc (what college students do) when all of a sudden Stephani burst into the front door telling Brandon that they needed to talk. Being good friends that we all were and wanting them to have privacy we went next door to another friend of mines house named Matt. When we got to Matt's house not but 2 minutes later all we hear is yelling and screaming coming from Brandon and Stephani so we are all peaking out of the windows trying to check out what is going on. All of a sudden we see the light's to the back door come on and Stephani getting escorted out of it. Once she was outside she literally sat down in the snow crying and screaming for an hour about how she will be a better girl friend, etc, etc. Brandon was a smart man for getting out of the relationship. But what a terrible way to go
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This thread is sad as shit.
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On February 18 2013 09:14 Grumbels wrote:
SamsungStar's attitude doesn't strike me as helpful. One woman hurt him, but why should that experience matter?
Also: "there are sluts and gold diggers out there" -- women don't put up performances for years just to 'steal your gold' without you noticing. If you attract these women maybe that says something negative about your attitude towards them.
What gave you the impression that it was one Grumbels? It is LEGIONS of wimmenz who have made me this way.
To nexttime: Yeah, I think you are in a much better location for dating than I am. E. Europe is def a better place for finding girls who want stable secure relationships and settling down than America, especially in the big cities. And especially in the mid to late twenties... Most of the girls who want to get married already have. What's left are girls out of college, with jobs, and not much desire for relationships at all. Especially the good looking ones, because if they had wanted to get married they would have been long time ago.
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On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
Pining does not mean adultery. It means thinking of someone, longing for them, and NOT consummating your feelings, as in NOT cheating on your wife and just giving up your feelings for another person.
In general, your entire rebuttal was off-topic because you didn't understand what I was saying. I've already rebutted your 2nd point, so I might as well rebut your other two now.
Oh I looked it up on the dictionnary and learned a new word! I thought it was the same as "pinning" with two "n".
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
1st point: You can't form an opinion until you've been in that situation.
False: It is quite easy for humans to form opinions without being placed in the exact same situation. For instance, I am not a father. I have never raised a child. But I do know leaving your kid in a car for 4 hours while you go in a hotel room to have an affair is wrong.
By your logic, I would be unable to judge a man who did such a thing because I have never been a father. Do you see how idiotic this rationale is?
No, my point here is that you shouldn't so harshly condemn someone who lives a situation you can't begin to understand. People judge all the time, but there's a whole world between saying that you disagree, and boast about your inexistant courage. How can you say what you would do in such a situation with such assurance if you're that far from getting there? : )
It's like giving somalians lessons on how to be successful at life.
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
3rd point: Love and hope blah blah
Love is a subjective term. It means different things to everyone. Therefore, it is not something you can claim society is built on, seeing as its an abstract term. Also, it's just complete horse shit. Humans banded together to form civilizations for the purposes of resource sharing, economies of scale, mutual protection, and division of labor. They did not do so for the sake of singing Kumbayah and making kissy face.
Hope suffers due to the same fundamental issues as love. Gambling is an activity based on hope. Affairs are based on hope. Armed robberies are based on hope. Mass genocide of the Jews was based on hope. EVERYTHING is based on hope, because hope in the way you're using it is merely expectation or motivation based on future benefit. In essence, a completely nonsensical form of valuation.
Love is a subjective term... well, in that case this could be applied to any loosely defined concept like freedom, hope, or... righteousness. Besides, the possibility of exactitude has been shaken by Nietzsche questioning of the cogito, by the analytical anglo-saxon current (and the difficulty to define the term "art" for example, making it an open concept) or even by Caillois' definition of games, but before that I think that we can both agree that we're speaking on layman terms anyway.
But if we qualify love as the attachement and empathy we feel in varying degrees towards those we qualify as "our own", it does make sense. Why did humans band together? Why did they form societies? Why did they form groups? Why do we dislike seeing other entities being hurt, why do we protect each other? What urges us to regroup and reproduce? Love. You speak of mutual protection, which is direct consequence. If we had no such feelings, there would be no need to protect each other in the first place. Reason does not intervene until late in our history.
We reproduce, band together and look out for each other because we feel the urge to, not because we have thought about the outcome.
Also, yes, everything is based on hope, that was my point! In love and hope resides the driving mechanism of life itself, wether the outcome is "good" or "bad".
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
4th point: Cake Icing
Pragmatism does not preclude the notion of a soul. Pragmatism is basing decisions on rational, definable, quantifiable benefits to a reasonable degree. And yes, your conscience, your mental health, your sense of moral rectitude, those are tangible, quantifiable benefits. Absolutely ludicrous you would try to claim pragmatism excludes any consideration for these aspects of health and well-being.
In summary, your argument was poorly conceived.
Ethics and metaphysics are quantifiable... whoah, that's a philosophical revolution right there.
But hey, my pragmatic friend, can you provide me with a provable and tangible definition of what a "soul" is?
On February 18 2013 09:57 SamsungStar wrote:
What gave you the impression that it was one Grumbels? It is LEGIONS of wimmenz who have made me this way.
Come on man, you're not kidding anyone. :p
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On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle.
So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
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On February 18 2013 10:01 Kukaracha wrote:
But hey, my pragmatic friend, can you provide me with a provable and tangible definition of what a "soul" is?
Here you go:
+ Show Spoiler +
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up.
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? ....
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On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
Yes! Precisely! And we need to immediately counterattack before this epidemic spreads any further.
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On February 18 2013 09:49 haduken wrote:
This thread is sad as shit.
i Second this and add as bull.
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I've just finished reading through the entire thread and god damn it, it was demoralizing and depressing (entertaining nonetheless). I'm a long time TL lurker and I usually just get shits and giggles out of blogs and threads like this one but today I actually feel the need to voice my opinion:
SamsungStar is on the fucking money - I absolutely agree with everything he has said.
As tribute to his straight shooting wisdom, I have broken the golden rule of forum lurking to vouch for his advice. Would recommend his advice to anyone/10
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On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance.
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On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance.
I don't understand your terran comment.
But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality!
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On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality!
His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
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On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up.
Oh it's bad, we agree on that.
On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? ....
We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction.
But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense?
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On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense?
What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love? And no, you never established anyone was talking about something as silly as all multi-cellular beings operate based on hope and love. And if you are, you really should open a new thread as that has nothing to do with anything.
To Maggle: Thanks for the words of support! Just trying to tell it like I see it.
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On February 18 2013 10:36 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense? What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love?
Hope and love are just sophistications of our most essential instincts. Ants have a natural tendency to always live on, and to always protect their own and reproduce their species. It's as simple as that. We simply function on a complexified version of these basic feelings, and there lies the beauty of love.
To claim that love is vain is to claim that life is vain (but it is an interesting path nonetheless, if anyone would enjoy the depressive writings of Schopenhauer or "Schopy").
On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
Let me put it this way : if Terran were overpowered, and Protoss underpowered, then today the game is somewhat balanced in the western sphere. You're ranting because suddenly Protoss are able to harass too. It seems okay to me, as long as both races have the ability to do so!
But seriously, I've travelled quite a bit (and to the US too), and the only country where I've found males complaining to be "victimized" by females is... on the internet. On geeky websites. Anywhere else - among my friends, at work, at university, in France, in Chile, in Spain - people don't seem to have that problem.
Don't know, I guess it just doesn't lead me to the same conclusions...?
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gf of 2 years cheated on me with my best friend while i was in training for a year with the Army... needless to say, 2ruff of a breakup
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On February 18 2013 10:43 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense? What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love? Hope and love are just sophistications of our most essential instincts. Ants have a natural tendency to always live on, and to always protect their own and reproduce their species. It's as simple as that. We simply function on a complexified version of these basic feelings, and there lies the beauty of love. To claim that love is vain is to claim that life is vain (but it is an interesting path nonetheless, if anyone would enjoy the depressive writings of Schopenhauer or "Schopy"). Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
Let me put it this way : if Terran were overpowered, and Protoss underpowered, then today the game is somewhat balanced in the western sphere. You're ranting because suddenly Protoss are able to harass too. It seems okay to me, as long as both races have the ability to do so! But seriously, I've travelled quite a bit (and to the US too), and the only country where I've found males complaining to be "victimized" by females is... on the internet. On geeky websites. Anywhere else - among my friends, at work, at university, in France, in Chile, in Spain - people don't seem to have that problem. Don't know, I guess it just doesn't lead me to the same conclusions...?
You're espousing a theory, and a rather radical one at that. It's far from a proven fact. I can't believe you're seriously trying to claim love is a proven evolutionary mechanism. There are some pretty solid theories in biology concerning sexual attraction and emotional attachment, but LOVE? Just no.
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On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong.
In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch.
If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with.
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On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with.
I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? (And I don't mean she shot him, ran him over, etc. As in they just simply broke up and went their separate ways and the woman is now in jail because of it.)
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On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:
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Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out?
How many men do you know who died while giving birth?
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On February 18 2013 10:50 SamsungStar wrote:
You're espousing a theory, and a rather radical one at that. It's far from a proven fact. I can't believe you're seriously trying to claim love is a proven evolutionary mechanism. There are some pretty solid theories in biology concerning sexual attraction and emotional attachment, but LOVE? Just no.
What is love, aside from sexual attraction and/or emotional attachment?
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On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:
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/facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process.
Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story.
Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc.
Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system.
This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth?
LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail.
You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth?
12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America.
You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out.
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On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:
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Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? (And I don't mean she shot him, ran him over, etc. As in they just simply broke up and went their separate ways and the woman is now in jail because of it.)
Wait, we were talking about marriage and divorce laws? I thought were talking about cock embargoes.
Edit: Yeah, shitty child support laws and divorce courts suck. They should be changed to be fairer to men. But I don't want to reopen the giant shitfest that was the "Should men be able to get financial abortions?" thread.
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Meh, just remember some very simple rules on the modern dating market.
Women have to be good looking for men and men have to have charisma to bring in the girls.
S.Star, although all those are skewed in favor of women, as long as YOU don't commit those mistakes, all is fine and dandy. Yes I've personally witnessed a man's love life crumbling right in front of his eyes and I myself have been through hell and back and hell again as far as relationship goes but hey as long as I make sure a few of my closest friends don't fall into those traps, I wouldn't worry about anything else.
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Hey all,
First post but reading this thread got to me after my breakup and i would like to share.
We were together for 3.5 years, engaged for 1.5 years with a wedding planned, everything booked with deposits.
We were in love (or at least i was/ thought i was). We said I loved you every day, kissed and cuddled in bed every day, plus had sex regularly.
She started at a new job about 8 months ago, casual retail job. Full of alot of younger (shes 25) girls that were going out getting drunk and sleeping with different guys. she started going out with them where i wasnt invited (girls nights) its about then i felt her getting distant.
She told me about this guy that worked there that kept hitting on her but how disgusting he was and how she would only ever want me.
One night we had a fight and the next day she went to work, left early, went to his house to "watch dvds" and they had sex 3 times.
She confessed a week later after saying she loved me and was scared i would hate her.
I should have left then and there but was in a bit of shock and stuck around while we tried to get out of the hole we were now in.
She kept telling me she loved me and how sorry she was bla bla. I didnt know how to process it. One night at 10 pm she said she was going to a friends. Seemed suspicous. Followed her. Went to his house, they kissed at the door, i walked up and he saw me and slammed the door shut leaving her outside.
We spoke alot, it was pretty much over. The next day i "Hides faces in shame" broke into her FB and found all these messages going back to when she cheated on me the first time to him.
Massive sexting messages comparing my sexual performance to his, all these fantasies and things they want to do to each other. She was messaging him that whole month and then coming to bed to me.
That is one thing i will never understand, how a person can do that. Lie for a month to someone after that long together.
I wouldnt do it to my worst enemy.
It has been really tough, she has moved out and is now seeing a pyschologist every week as she is very suicidal. I had a massive blow up at her a month going calling her alot of stuff and demanding answers and she started telling me how she wants to kill herself and all that. I said its best we have 0 contact from now on for both of us.
Im terrified she will try to call me and i dont know whether to answer, while i hate her i dont want her to do anything stupid like that... If she really needs me to talk her down from a ledge or something and i dont, i would feel responsible.
But as everyone keeps saying, i shouldnt give a shit about her now... its hard. I love and hate her at the same time.
Hope this isnt to long for you guys to read! Tried to keep it factual
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Enough with the gender wars. I want more sad/depressing breakup stories.
Now... if I could add a depressing story I saw on a PUA forum:
+ Show Spoiler +I remember one time in the club La Cita in Los Angeles I start making out with this girl right off the open, and her man comes up and is like "Jenny, WHAT THE FUCK?" She jumps off and they have words, then he comes back to me and says "Oh man I was thinking you kissed her, sorry I got mad at you, you seem like a good guy..."
I felt bad for him so said "Yeah man, I just saw her and she was cute so put my face up to her, but she's super loyal to you. You've got a great girl and really pretty too..." Then he BOUGHT ME A DRINK.
There is NO CHANCE that he didn't see us tonguing down, right blatantly in front of him, but his RAS chose to block out reality ......... WHY?
Because at that point he has 2 choices...
1) Move out of the apartment they share together, have to not have sex for months or over a year until his next girlfriend, while she goes out and gets fucked by guys like me whenever she wants.
2) Lie to himself (or blame ME for it like the guys often do -- really sad to see this) and continue living in the same apartment, having sex when he wants, have the emotional support and validation, and know that his life makes sense.
So like a lot of us, cause hey we're only human, he lies to himself.
Yea, it's not a breakup story... but the relationship between that guy and that girl isn't going anywhere good... and the poor fucker is gona stick in it until the bitter end... until he's wasted his time and his heart is broken.
So the moral of the story: don't get too attached to your partner. Have an interdependent relationship.
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On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:
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You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again.
Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments.
And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out.
How does that answer my question?
The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR
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On February 18 2013 11:06 Xiphos wrote:
Meh, just remember some very simple rules on the modern dating market.
Women have to be good looking for men and men have to have charisma to bring in the girls.
S.Star, although all those are skewed in favor of women, as long as YOU don't commit those mistakes, all is fine and dandy. Yes I've personally witnessed a man's love life crumbling right in front of his eyes and I myself have been through hell and back and hell again as far as relationship goes but hey as long as I make sure a few of my closest friends don't fall into those traps, I wouldn't worry about anything else.
Thanks Xiphos. That's good advice. Although it really is fun to discuss and vent a bit online XD.
I will say though, I don't think it's as simple as being charismatic. Notice that every single story in here is about a man who was already in a relationship. Had nothing to do with charisma. All of them were charismatic enough to get the girl. The problem is what comes AFTER charisma. Some guys think it's just finding the "right" girl. I think that helps a ton. But I also think being emotionally unavailable, focusing and investing only in yourself, and treating the relationship as an added bonus at ALL times helps a ton too.
For some reason, as soon as you let a girl know she's important in your life, she decides it's time to leave. Maybe its performance anxiety, maybe they think you're not good enough for them now that you need them, who the fuck knows. All I know is when you bring down the emotional walls and turn into a puddle of goo at your woman's feet, that is the exact moment when she stomps on your nuts and calls you trash.
To magicquaglor: Brutal, man. Sorry to hear it. And yes, this is the kind of emotional two-facedness I've come to expect from women. Also, whenever a woman you're dating mentions another man in specificity, no matter what she says, the fact she mentioned him is a giant red flag. I've heard similar stories time and time again. And every time the woman is talking about how much she dislikes the guy, mostly because she's trying to convince herself she's not interested. But she is. Very.
Also, notice what a class act the guy is. He saw you walking up so he slammed the door in her face. What a gallant. That lets you and her know that what they did was definitely for love.
The suicide card is so low, too. I've heard that one, I dno, like a million times? The minute you get aggressive and start asking the hard questions, she just folds up and cries about how she's going to end it all. I've gotten in arguments with ex-gfs, like years after dating, when there shouldn't be any emotional content or reason to get upset. I treat them like sisters more than anything and try to look out for them as a brother. Then when I give it to them on the real, like I tell them they're being a whore when they ask if it was whorish to fuck 4 guys in one week, 2 at the same time, they cry and say they are driving back from work and it's raining and they are going to drive off the rails because I'm being mean.
My mother used to do this too when I was a kid. ALL the time. We'd be coming home from school or some shit and she'd get mad at one of us and threaten to run us all off the edge of the highway. My response was to yank at the steering wheel to make good on her bluff. Then she'd smack me in the face and tell me I was fucking nuts. Me! Yes, I have a long and beautiful history of relationships with women. Don't get me wrong, there are nice things about them, but holy fuck. As a rule, I can't be around them for more than a few days at a time. I just get this massive throbbing in my head after the one in my pants has gone away that forces me to run screaming from the building while tearing my clothes off in the street.
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On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
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I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part.
Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you.
I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR
The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity.
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My mother, after being with my father twice and another man for a very short time has been dating a man that my grandparents wouldn't approve of. She kept it a secret for a few years until she decided to move in with him after my sister (who lived with her, I lived with my father) got married and moved out. She my grandparents flipped when she finally told them and they and my mother didn't talk for a few months and it started to get to my mother so she up and left the guy without ever telling him. I can only imagine what it was like for him to come home from work and she and all her stuff was just up and gone. Needless to say he wasn't the first man she did this too, nor was he the first man to come back to her. It's no wonder why I don't trust women other than nice old grandmothers with lots of children and nice long marriages.
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On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:
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So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity.
Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life?
I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing.
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On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:
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So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity.
How the fuck is saying that a woman invests more into giving birth than a man does a 'brainwashed emotional argument'? No one is saying people should bow down before every big belly in shame, but it's pretty hilarious how you are completely oblivious to the physiological differences between the genders.
Have to say, your attempts to justify your sourness are more sad than most of the break up stories in this thread, lol.
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"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you.
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On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you.
I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played.
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On February 18 2013 11:42 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
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Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. How the fuck is saying that a woman invests more into giving birth than a man does a 'brainwashed emotional argument'? No one is saying people should bow down before every big belly in shame, but it's pretty hilarious how you are completely oblivious to the physiological differences between the genders. Have to say, your attempts to justify your sourness are more sad than most of the break up stories in this thread, lol.
Because it is. It's brainwashed and emotional and completely untrue. With modern medicine, a woman's investment in childbirth is quite insignificant compared to the monetary compensation she can potentially earn for it.
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On February 18 2013 11:41 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
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Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life? I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing.
It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter.
At conception, man and woman are equally responsible. Man wants to have unprotected sex, woman mutually agrees. So there we have a 1:1 choice in proceeding.
Once the woman is pregnant, the man loses all choice in further development. Only the woman gets any say in whether or not she wants to have the baby. The guy can say no all he wants, he can't force her to get an abortion. 1:2 in choice to proceed.
Upon successful delivery of the baby, the man has no power to give the baby up for adoption. If the woman wants to keep it, that's her prerogative. 1:3.
In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4.
So, in the end, what do we really have? A man making a choice in a moment of passion and then being saddled with it for the rest of his life with no real ability to choose anything after that exact moment, while the woman after the exact moment of conception is pretty much able to call all the shots. That is how the US legal system works when it comes to child custody and support.
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My last relationship ended pretty badly. Things were pretty rocky and I just had that "feeling" that something was wrong... but it was my first serious relationship, so I was blinded by a lot of things and fought too much to hold onto what I had even though, in hindsight, it wasn't a good relationship at all. I wish I'd listened to my instincts... but anyway, like I said, things were rocky but I was still trying to make it work. Then, one day, just out of the fucking blue, my girlfriend TEXTS me and tells me she's been cheating on me with some fucking no-life from her podunk hometown (her hometown was small and about two hours away. she'd been going there on weekends to party without me. that should've been the first giant warning sign but as I've already said, I was pretty blind because it was my first real relationship). Then I called her and she told me it was over. All of this happened while I was on break at work, by the way. And I work in retail, so I was dealing with people all day. She didn't even have the common courtesy to wait until I wasn't at work, or actually see me in person. I had six hours left on my shift, but I was so devastated that I ended up going to my manager's office in tears and they let me go early.
After that, we did this weird friends with benefits thing for about a month and ex-gf went back and forth between wanting me back and wanting nothing to do with me. At first, it seemed random, but then I realized that every time she was getting any attention from someone else, she all of a sudden didn't want me around anymore. When that happened, I matter-of-factly told her that I wouldn't be her backup and I removed her from my life after that day (with the exception of getting my stuff a while later).
TLDR, dated a girl who cheated on me, didn't ever actually let me know what was going on in her life, and broke up with me at about the worst possible time. That relationship fucked me up in a lot of ways and even though it's been almost a year, I still have some wounds from it. I'm in a new relationship but I'm having a harder time trusting this time around because last time, I put all of my trust and heart into it and got stomped on, basically. I have to say, though, that even though the relationship messed me up really badly and I was distraught about it ending when it happened, I can look back now and say I'm glad it ended. I was blinded by love before, but now, I can see that my ex was honestly stupid as fuck and we wouldn't have worked out in the long run. You couldn't have an intelligent conversation with her (she'd just parrot things back because she either didn't understand or didn't care) and all of our interactions were pretty vapid and shallow. Oh, and then there was the part where I'm an atheist and she was a devout Mormon.
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On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:41 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:
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I don't understand your terran comment.
But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality!
His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life? I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing. It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter. At conception, man and woman are equally responsible. Man wants to have unprotected sex, woman mutually agrees. So there we have a 1:1 choice in proceeding. Once the woman is pregnant, the man loses all choice in further development. Only the woman gets any say in whether or not she wants to have the baby. The guy can say no all he wants, he can't force her to get an abortion. 1:2 in choice to proceed. Upon successful delivery of the baby, the man has no power to give the baby up for adoption. If the woman wants to keep it, that's her prerogative. 1:3. In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4. So, in the end, what do we really have? A man making a choice in a moment of passion and then being saddled with it for the rest of his life with no real ability to choose anything after that exact moment, while the woman after the exact moment of conception is pretty much able to call all the shots. That is how the US legal system works when it comes to child custody and support.
Just wondering, where's the part when the man wants to be a complete jerk and leaves the woman and the child?
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On February 18 2013 12:07 iamahydralisk wrote:
My last relationship ended pretty badly. Things were pretty rocky and I just had that "feeling" that something was wrong... but it was my first serious relationship, so I was blinded by a lot of things and fought too much to hold onto what I had even though, in hindsight, it wasn't a good relationship at all. I wish I'd listened to my instincts... but anyway, like I said, things were rocky but I was still trying to make it work. Then, one day, just out of the fucking blue, my girlfriend TEXTS me and tells me she's been cheating on me with some fucking no-life from her podunk hometown (her hometown was small and about two hours away. she'd been going there on weekends to party without me. that should've been the first giant warning sign but as I've already said, I was pretty blind because it was my first real relationship). Then I called her and she told me it was over. All of this happened while I was on break at work, by the way. And I work in retail, so I was dealing with people all day. She didn't even have the common courtesy to wait until I wasn't at work, or actually see me in person. I had six hours left on my shift, but I was so devastated that I ended up going to my manager's office in tears and they let me go early.
After that, we did this weird friends with benefits thing for about a month and ex-gf went back and forth between wanting me back and wanting nothing to do with me. At first, it seemed random, but then I realized that every time she was getting any attention from someone else, she all of a sudden didn't want me around anymore. When that happened, I matter-of-factly told her that I wouldn't be her backup and I removed her from my life after that day (with the exception of getting my stuff a while later).
TLDR, dated a girl who cheated on me, didn't ever actually let me know what was going on in her life, and broke up with me at about the worst possible time. That relationship fucked me up in a lot of ways and even though it's been almost a year, I still have some wounds from it. I'm in a new relationship but I'm having a harder time trusting this time around because last time, I put all of my trust and heart into it and got stomped on, basically. I have to say, though, that even though the relationship messed me up really badly and I was distraught about it ending when it happened, I can look back now and say I'm glad it ended. I was blinded by love before, but now, I can see that my ex was honestly stupid as fuck and we wouldn't have worked out in the long run. You couldn't have an intelligent conversation with her (she'd just parrot things back because she either didn't understand or didn't care) and all of our interactions were pretty vapid and shallow. Oh, and then there was the part where I'm an atheist and she was a devout Mormon.
I was going to post mine but this is pretty much my experience to 95%
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On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played.
Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?".
I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess.
But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve.
So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves.
Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple.
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On February 18 2013 12:15 PSdualwielder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:41 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:
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His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life? I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing. It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter. At conception, man and woman are equally responsible. Man wants to have unprotected sex, woman mutually agrees. So there we have a 1:1 choice in proceeding. Once the woman is pregnant, the man loses all choice in further development. Only the woman gets any say in whether or not she wants to have the baby. The guy can say no all he wants, he can't force her to get an abortion. 1:2 in choice to proceed. Upon successful delivery of the baby, the man has no power to give the baby up for adoption. If the woman wants to keep it, that's her prerogative. 1:3. In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4. So, in the end, what do we really have? A man making a choice in a moment of passion and then being saddled with it for the rest of his life with no real ability to choose anything after that exact moment, while the woman after the exact moment of conception is pretty much able to call all the shots. That is how the US legal system works when it comes to child custody and support. Just wondering, where's the part when the man wants to be a complete jerk and leaves the woman and the child?
You mean the part where the woman decides she's "not in love" with the man anymore and leaves and takes the child with her and shacks up with a new man she met at the dog park?
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On February 18 2013 12:16 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played. Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?". I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess. But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve. So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves. Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple.
Yes, this is all true. But this only pertains to the dating phase. Once you put a ring on it, ALL of that shit about her looking good goes out the window. You can't divorce a woman in America for being fat or ugly (unfortunately). I can't tell you how many attractive girls I know who got married and made a mad dash for the dessert bar and proceeded to pack on the pounds like there's no tomorrow. Literally, I can think of seven girls off the top of my head who haven't changed their facebook profile pics in 5 years. Now that's not a very big sample size, but by all accounts I've heard this is not very uncommon.
And what can the man do about it? Divorce her? Cue the lawyers, settlement money, garnered paychecks etc. And this is even for women who don't bear any children!! Dude, we get raped so hard nowadays. I just don't get why more men aren't up in arms about it. We're expected to be handsome, stylish, wealthy, cultured, supportive, romantic, caring, and absolute Casanovas in bed. And women are expected to do what? Are there even expectations put on a woman anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an article with a headline like "What Women Should Do As Wives." But I see a thousand and one articles about the opposite.
Not trying to be mean here, but yes, some women are not as demanding. And those women are either fat, ugly, absolutely terrible in the sack, or all three. A girl who is attractive, sexual, and well-educated demands an absolute god. Notice I didn't say she demands an attractive, sexual, and well-educated man. Because she doesn't. She demands MORE, much more.
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It seems like potentially the majority of these are occurring as a direct result of a girl's female friends.
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On February 18 2013 12:35 fight_or_flight wrote:
It seems like potentially the majority of these are occurring as a direct result of a girl's female friends.
This is why you gotta make good friends with the female friends. They need to be on your side, and keep her in line.
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Again I wouldn't really worry about it. You seem like a really intuitive person to realize this (while ofc many are stuck between 500 feets of crap and a hard place). So I'm fully certain that you wouldn't put a ring to it but then lol you can also plays it differently against the standard. You can instead be with her a for a long while being handsome, muscular, wealthy, charismatic, and humorous but not propose her. She'll go crazy over it and she'll probably want to propose to you herself. Then you confront her about it and mention stuff about "prenup"(sp?) if she doesn't agree with that, then go screw because she wasn't after YOU but after you cash and that doesn't make a good wife anyways and if she does, then marry her.
Prenup solves pretty much everything but however you are suppose to make dues for your child because now that you are financially secured about things but she still went through hard times to get your kid(s) out so paying child support is fine honestly (if you can get it to 50/50, then kudos for you but I personally would want him/her to be 100% on my side in time of trouble as I want to be their favorite parent of the two). However with prenup prepared, you won't pay alimony for her and that's pretty much fair.
EDIT: so I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is also a method to prevent w/e S.Star is afraid of getting himself into.
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On February 18 2013 12:41 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:35 fight_or_flight wrote:
It seems like potentially the majority of these are occurring as a direct result of a girl's female friends. This is why you gotta make good friends with the female friends. They need to be on your side, and keep her in line.
If she needs to be kept in line she was not a keeper in the first place and you are better off without her.
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On February 18 2013 12:15 PSdualwielder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:41 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:
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His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life? I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing. It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter. At conception, man and woman are equally responsible. Man wants to have unprotected sex, woman mutually agrees. So there we have a 1:1 choice in proceeding. Once the woman is pregnant, the man loses all choice in further development. Only the woman gets any say in whether or not she wants to have the baby. The guy can say no all he wants, he can't force her to get an abortion. 1:2 in choice to proceed. Upon successful delivery of the baby, the man has no power to give the baby up for adoption. If the woman wants to keep it, that's her prerogative. 1:3. In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4. So, in the end, what do we really have? A man making a choice in a moment of passion and then being saddled with it for the rest of his life with no real ability to choose anything after that exact moment, while the woman after the exact moment of conception is pretty much able to call all the shots. That is how the US legal system works when it comes to child custody and support. Just wondering, where's the part when the man wants to be a complete jerk and leaves the woman and the child?
Sex doesn't=Consent to a child...
I know a girl who poked holes in a condom to get knocked up. Even being safe wont be enough sometimes...
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On February 18 2013 12:52 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:15 PSdualwielder wrote:On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:41 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:
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I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong.
In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch.
If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity. Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life? I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing. It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter. At conception, man and woman are equally responsible. Man wants to have unprotected sex, woman mutually agrees. So there we have a 1:1 choice in proceeding. Once the woman is pregnant, the man loses all choice in further development. Only the woman gets any say in whether or not she wants to have the baby. The guy can say no all he wants, he can't force her to get an abortion. 1:2 in choice to proceed. Upon successful delivery of the baby, the man has no power to give the baby up for adoption. If the woman wants to keep it, that's her prerogative. 1:3. In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4. So, in the end, what do we really have? A man making a choice in a moment of passion and then being saddled with it for the rest of his life with no real ability to choose anything after that exact moment, while the woman after the exact moment of conception is pretty much able to call all the shots. That is how the US legal system works when it comes to child custody and support. Just wondering, where's the part when the man wants to be a complete jerk and leaves the woman and the child? Sex doesn't=Consent to a child... I know a girl who poked holes in a condom to get knocked up. Even being safe wont be enough sometimes...
bring your own condoms. problem solved.
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On February 18 2013 12:42 Xiphos wrote:
Again I wouldn't really worry about it. You seem like a really intuitive person to realize this (while ofc many are stuck between 500 feets of crap and a hard place). So I'm fully certain that you wouldn't put a ring to it but then lol you can also plays it differently against the standard. You can instead be with her a for a long while being handsome, muscular, wealthy, charismatic, and humorous but not propose her. She'll go crazy over it and she'll probably want to propose to you herself. Then you confront her about it and mention stuff about "prenup"(sp?) if she doesn't agree with that, then go screw because she wasn't after YOU but after you cash and that doesn't make a good wife anyways and if she does, then marry her.
Prenup solves pretty much everything but however you are suppose to make dues for your child because now that you are financially secured about things but she still went through hard times to get your kid(s) out so paying child support is fine honestly (if you can get it to 50/50, then kudos for you but I personally would want him/her to be 100% on my side in time of trouble as I want to be their favorite parent of the two). However with prenup prepared, you won't pay alimony for her and that's pretty much fair.
Yeah, I'm lucky because financially I'm in a good place and my family has taught me since I was young to look at much of life from a financial/legal standpoint. But I see what some of my fellow men go through and holy hell. It's not just the emotional devastation of a divorce. It's complete financial and professional ruin as well.
My longest relationship, and what I thought was the love of my life, lasted for 7 years off and on. The off parts were where she realized I wasn't going to marry her and tried to break away. But then she kept coming back and we kept going on the merry-go-round again. It wasn't until the last straw, when we moved in together and I was focusing 100% on my writing, that she decided to call it quits for the last time. Although, to be fair, I was in a really dark place at the time and started getting violent during arguments so I don't blame her at all for taking off. But yeah, not marrying works for like 2 years tops, then you have to let the bridge burn and move on to the next. Sadly, in my case, my next gfs have just never been quite as appealing to me. Actually, scratch that, they've all turned out to be lying whores. In other words, there are more fish in the sea, but a lot of those fish smell and taste really fucking bad.
So, yeah, it sort of works, but blah. I'd rather just find a girl I have real good chemistry with and high compatibility and settle down into something stable. Not even asking for cooking/cleaning that type of shit. I can cook and clean just fine myself. Just a stable companion who enjoys the same sense of humor, is easy on the eyes, has moral values, and has good social skills so she doesn't make an embarrassment out of us when we go out. I've been astounded at how hard it is to find this simple combination of traits. I've found easy on the eyes and moral values, but never together. Only two girls ever for the humor thing, and quite a number with good social skills, but those also tend to be the most devious and manipulative.
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Pre-nup
but not just that.
You need to figure out what legal jurisdiction you want to have the divorce in--some starts fuck you over, some states don't.
http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_400/456_divorce-states-the-best-and-worst.html
Colorado
Colorado may be a beautiful place to live, but it’s a terrible place to get a divorce if you’re the higher earner in a long-term marriage. In fact, it may be the worst state. Colorado has a "temporary" maintenance formula of 40% of the higher income minus 50% of the lower income that is often just carried over into the permanent award, regardless of the lower-earning spouse's ability to support themselves or the property division. For example, Dick earns $3,500 per month, and Jane earns $1,500 per month. Dick's “temporary” payment will be $650 ($1,400 - $750) per month. Here’s the kicker though: If you have been married longer than 20 years, you will be ordered lifetime alimony if you go to the judge. The property split will be "equitable," which basically means you will be at the whim of the judge.
New York
Of all the states you do not want to be getting a divorce in, it has to be the Empire State. The current laws do not allow no-fault divorce, so litigants can end up spending thousands of dollars in legal fees, and devote significant time to airing their painful and highly personal details to dissolve the marriage. It is also an outrageous use of judicial resources, especially in these tough financial times.
Nevada
Legalized gambling and legalized prostitution -- add the best state to get a quickie divorce and that truly makes Nevada a trifecta. It should be no surprise that Nevada has the highest divorce rate of any state, with a whopping 14% of the population having been through one. If you establish residency for six weeks, you may take advantage of the quick divorce laws. The six-week residency rule is the shortest of any state, and after establishing residency you can get an uncontested divorce in as little as 48 hours. As a no-fault state, you do not need grounds for divorce like some other states. Nevada is also a community property state, so any assets acquired during the marriage are split 50-50. There is also a formula for child support that reduces litigation and uncertainty.
Figure out your relative economic potentials. Are you making six figures while she's staying at home? Also, consider the age disparity too. Do you want a five-year renewal going on your marriage 'just in case'? See if your state lets you structure that into the pre-nup.
Finally, no matter what, never destroy your own ability to procreate. I have heard of two friends (one PE principal and one senior trader) who got vasectomies and then got divorced on because their wives figured they couldn't have any more kids and hence there would be no other mouths to feed at the alimony/estate planning trough. If you do get your tubes snipped, bank up some sperm beforehand and make sure your wife knows you are perfectly willing to use them to screw her and the kids over in any estate planning proceedings if things go south.
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On February 18 2013 12:26 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:16 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played. Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?". I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess. But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve. So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves. Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple. Yes, this is all true. But this only pertains to the dating phase. Once you put a ring on it, ALL of that shit about her looking good goes out the window. You can't divorce a woman in America for being fat or ugly (unfortunately). I can't tell you how many attractive girls I know who got married and made a mad dash for the dessert bar and proceeded to pack on the pounds like there's no tomorrow. Literally, I can think of seven girls off the top of my head who haven't changed their facebook profile pics in 5 years. Now that's not a very big sample size, but by all accounts I've heard this is not very uncommon. And what can the man do about it? Divorce her? Cue the lawyers, settlement money, garnered paychecks etc. And this is even for women who don't bear any children!! Dude, we get raped so hard nowadays. I just don't get why more men aren't up in arms about it. We're expected to be handsome, stylish, wealthy, cultured, supportive, romantic, caring, and absolute Casanovas in bed. And women are expected to do what? Are there even expectations put on a woman anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an article with a headline like "What Women Should Do As Wives." But I see a thousand and one articles about the opposite. Not trying to be mean here, but yes, some women are not as demanding. And those women are either fat, ugly, absolutely terrible in the sack, or all three. A girl who is attractive, sexual, and well-educated demands an absolute god. Notice I didn't say she demands an attractive, sexual, and well-educated man. Because she doesn't. She demands MORE, much more.
Whats really fucked up is that if a man wants a divorce he loses half of his shit. Understandable to an extent imo.
If a woman fucks 10 random people gives you aids and then wants to leave you after giving her a kidney she stills takes half your shit.
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On February 18 2013 12:53 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 12:16 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played. Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?". I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess. But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve. So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves. Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple. Yes, this is all true. But this only pertains to the dating phase. Once you put a ring on it, ALL of that shit about her looking good goes out the window. You can't divorce a woman in America for being fat or ugly (unfortunately). I can't tell you how many attractive girls I know who got married and made a mad dash for the dessert bar and proceeded to pack on the pounds like there's no tomorrow. Literally, I can think of seven girls off the top of my head who haven't changed their facebook profile pics in 5 years. Now that's not a very big sample size, but by all accounts I've heard this is not very uncommon. And what can the man do about it? Divorce her? Cue the lawyers, settlement money, garnered paychecks etc. And this is even for women who don't bear any children!! Dude, we get raped so hard nowadays. I just don't get why more men aren't up in arms about it. We're expected to be handsome, stylish, wealthy, cultured, supportive, romantic, caring, and absolute Casanovas in bed. And women are expected to do what? Are there even expectations put on a woman anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an article with a headline like "What Women Should Do As Wives." But I see a thousand and one articles about the opposite. Not trying to be mean here, but yes, some women are not as demanding. And those women are either fat, ugly, absolutely terrible in the sack, or all three. A girl who is attractive, sexual, and well-educated demands an absolute god. Notice I didn't say she demands an attractive, sexual, and well-educated man. Because she doesn't. She demands MORE, much more. Samsung, you sound like a real catch. Any girl would be lucky to have you.
If you want to fuck over your own legal, economic, and reproductive rights in the future just to impress a girl, be my guest.
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To magicquaglor: Brutal, man. Sorry to hear it. And yes, this is the kind of emotional two-facedness I've come to expect from women. Also, whenever a woman you're dating mentions another man in specificity, no matter what she says, the fact she mentioned him is a giant red flag. I've heard similar stories time and time again. And every time the woman is talking about how much she dislikes the guy, mostly because she's trying to convince herself she's not interested. But she is. Very.
Also, notice what a class act the guy is. He saw you walking up so he slammed the door in her face. What a gallant. That lets you and her know that what they did was definitely for love.
The suicide card is so low, too. I've heard that one, I dno, like a million times? The minute you get aggressive and start asking the hard questions, she just folds up and cries about how she's going to end it all. I've gotten in arguments with ex-gfs, like years after dating, when there shouldn't be any emotional content or reason to get upset. I treat them like sisters more than anything and try to look out for them as a brother. Then when I give it to them on the real, like I tell them they're being a whore when they ask if it was whorish to fuck 4 guys in one week, 2 at the same time, they cry and say they are driving back from work and it's raining and they are going to drive off the rails because I'm being mean.
My mother used to do this too when I was a kid. ALL the time. We'd be coming home from school or some shit and she'd get mad at one of us and threaten to run us all off the edge of the highway. My response was to yank at the steering wheel to make good on her bluff. Then she'd smack me in the face and tell me I was fucking nuts. Me! Yes, I have a long and beautiful history of relationships with women. Don't get me wrong, there are nice things about them, but holy fuck. As a rule, I can't be around them for more than a few days at a time. I just get this massive throbbing in my head after the one in my pants has gone away that forces me to run screaming from the building while tearing my clothes off in the street.
Yeh i have heard that as soon as they mention another guy in the way you should be worried, people have shared similiar experiences. Ha i think he was afraid, to be honest violence wasnt really on my mind at the time, i was more in shock and extremely disapointed in her.
Later on i went through grief, rage, and all those emotions. There were times i wanted to go over there and confront him but at the end of the day, she isnt worth it, and neither is he.
He definetely preyed on her as she told him we were having issues, so he invites her around then comes onto her? She kept calling him a friend, and as i rightly pointed out friends dont do that...
The best outcome is she is out of my life now, and i found out now, not when i was married to her. I did not know him at all and he wasnt responsible for keeping my relationship healthy, she was.
The suicide one was very hard for me, as she told me initially if i told ANYONE she would do it from the shame/ guilt and all that. So for weeks i dealt with this alone and started having panic/ anxiety attacks. Finally i told my family and a few close friends and went from there to start healing myself.
We havent got alot of shared friends and she just told hers she went to a friends house and didnt call me and i flipped and broke up with her.... and thats what her parents beleive to.
A part of me wants them to know the truth but im trying to be the bigger man and not care.
EDIT: they arent even together either. He just used her (he has slept with 3 girls that work there) I cant understand how she was so stupid. I wanted to marry her, have kids, buy a house and all that. She tells me thats all she ever wanted to, and she loves me, and cant explain why she did it. And how much regret she has.
I will never understand people that can cheat, i actually have a concious and subconsciously pushed girls away when we were together, didn't give any opening to any inappropriate stuff. I assumed she would do the same! She couldnt have hurt me any more if she tried...
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Good ol' Shady. It's always nice to have another guy in the thread with some dirt under his fingernails. The bright-eyed bushy-tailed population is growing out of control. It makes no sense to marry a girl in America at present. As for me, I'm taking that girl to Taiwan if she wants to tie the knot. The laws there are much more favorable to men.
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^why marry in the first place. Kids are a pain to take care of in terms of finance. Jesus my 'rents just had a younger bro and believe me he eats like a pig and complains about it while already having a IPad while being about a quarter of my age plus he have many toys and they still have to pay for his transportation fees along with tuition fees for piano, drawing, and hockey clubs.
I honestly don't see what's wrong with just having a lot of sexual partners. Keep some of them as long term relationship, some as booty calls, and some just to share similar interests.
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On February 18 2013 10:10 pebble444 wrote:i Second this and add as bull.
I have to agree, this thread was good at the beginning but has turned into a "the opposite sex is the devil" thread.
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On February 18 2013 11:12 magicquaglor wrote:Hey all, First post but reading this thread got to me after my breakup and i would like to share. We were together for 3.5 years, engaged for 1.5 years with a wedding planned, everything booked with deposits. We were in love (or at least i was/ thought i was). We said I loved you every day, kissed and cuddled in bed every day, plus had sex regularly. She started at a new job about 8 months ago, casual retail job. Full of alot of younger (shes 25) girls that were going out getting drunk and sleeping with different guys. she started going out with them where i wasnt invited (girls nights) its about then i felt her getting distant. She told me about this guy that worked there that kept hitting on her but how disgusting he was and how she would only ever want me. One night we had a fight and the next day she went to work, left early, went to his house to "watch dvds" and they had sex 3 times. She confessed a week later after saying she loved me and was scared i would hate her. I should have left then and there but was in a bit of shock and stuck around while we tried to get out of the hole we were now in. She kept telling me she loved me and how sorry she was bla bla. I didnt know how to process it. One night at 10 pm she said she was going to a friends. Seemed suspicous. Followed her. Went to his house, they kissed at the door, i walked up and he saw me and slammed the door shut leaving her outside. We spoke alot, it was pretty much over. The next day i "Hides faces in shame" broke into her FB and found all these messages going back to when she cheated on me the first time to him. Massive sexting messages comparing my sexual performance to his, all these fantasies and things they want to do to each other. She was messaging him that whole month and then coming to bed to me. That is one thing i will never understand, how a person can do that. Lie for a month to someone after that long together. I wouldnt do it to my worst enemy. It has been really tough, she has moved out and is now seeing a pyschologist every week as she is very suicidal. I had a massive blow up at her a month going calling her alot of stuff and demanding answers and she started telling me how she wants to kill herself and all that. I said its best we have 0 contact from now on for both of us. Im terrified she will try to call me and i dont know whether to answer, while i hate her i dont want her to do anything stupid like that... If she really needs me to talk her down from a ledge or something and i dont, i would feel responsible. But as everyone keeps saying, i shouldnt give a shit about her now... its hard. I love and hate her at the same time. Hope this isnt to long for you guys to read! Tried to keep it factual
If someone can hurt you like that they are just going to keep doing it over and over... i would guess most of the cheating stories are from girls who cheat over and over and over. In my experience there are a lot of girls who wouldn't cheat and then there are girls who end up cheating on most of their boy friends. There seems like there isn't a lot in between...
Pulling the suicide card is fucking pathetic though especially after all of that bullshit on facebook...
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Not sure if it was a breakup or not.
I was at a fancy japanese restraunt.
Some body builder dude flipped a table angrily. Chick across him just got up and left.
Waiters came over and kept telling him to just leave, but the dude was adamant and kept saying he'll pay for it.
Preeeeeeettty sure it was a break up.
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On February 18 2013 13:18 decemberscalm wrote:
Not sure if it was a breakup or not.
I was at a fancy japanese restraunt.
Some body builder dude flipped a table angrily. Chick across him just got up and left.
Waiters came over and kept telling him to just leave, but the dude was adamant and kept saying he'll pay for it.
Preeeeeeettty sure it was a break up.
I'll have to work this scene into something I write sooner or later. Thanks for the idea!
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On February 18 2013 13:02 SamsungStar wrote:
Good ol' Shady. It's always nice to have another guy in the thread with some dirt under his fingernails. The bright-eyed bushy-tailed population is growing out of control. It makes no sense to marry a girl in America at present. As for me, I'm taking that girl to Taiwan if she wants to tie the knot. The laws there are much more favorable to men.
Ha...
If you're already thinking about where to tie the knot with your missus... congrats!
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On February 18 2013 12:56 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:53 ControlMonkey wrote:
Samsung, you sound like a real catch. Any girl would be lucky to have you. If you want to fuck over your own legal, economic, and reproductive rights in the future just to impress a girl, be my guest.
I don't really see the link here...
On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:
It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter.
Here we agree, but it's a tricky matter.
But after reading this thread, I wouldn't put the blame on divorce laws. I'd put the blame on mediocre couples. A good relationship will avoid most of these problems... if anything, because both partners can agree about the terms in advance, but also because there shouldn't be so much drama or backstabbing to begin with.
I haven't seen many couples getting screwed over, maybe I just live in an amazing environment.
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Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
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On February 18 2013 13:09 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:12 magicquaglor wrote:Hey all, First post but reading this thread got to me after my breakup and i would like to share. We were together for 3.5 years, engaged for 1.5 years with a wedding planned, everything booked with deposits. We were in love (or at least i was/ thought i was). We said I loved you every day, kissed and cuddled in bed every day, plus had sex regularly. She started at a new job about 8 months ago, casual retail job. Full of alot of younger (shes 25) girls that were going out getting drunk and sleeping with different guys. she started going out with them where i wasnt invited (girls nights) its about then i felt her getting distant. She told me about this guy that worked there that kept hitting on her but how disgusting he was and how she would only ever want me. One night we had a fight and the next day she went to work, left early, went to his house to "watch dvds" and they had sex 3 times. She confessed a week later after saying she loved me and was scared i would hate her. I should have left then and there but was in a bit of shock and stuck around while we tried to get out of the hole we were now in. She kept telling me she loved me and how sorry she was bla bla. I didnt know how to process it. One night at 10 pm she said she was going to a friends. Seemed suspicous. Followed her. Went to his house, they kissed at the door, i walked up and he saw me and slammed the door shut leaving her outside. We spoke alot, it was pretty much over. The next day i "Hides faces in shame" broke into her FB and found all these messages going back to when she cheated on me the first time to him. Massive sexting messages comparing my sexual performance to his, all these fantasies and things they want to do to each other. She was messaging him that whole month and then coming to bed to me. That is one thing i will never understand, how a person can do that. Lie for a month to someone after that long together. I wouldnt do it to my worst enemy. It has been really tough, she has moved out and is now seeing a pyschologist every week as she is very suicidal. I had a massive blow up at her a month going calling her alot of stuff and demanding answers and she started telling me how she wants to kill herself and all that. I said its best we have 0 contact from now on for both of us. Im terrified she will try to call me and i dont know whether to answer, while i hate her i dont want her to do anything stupid like that... If she really needs me to talk her down from a ledge or something and i dont, i would feel responsible. But as everyone keeps saying, i shouldnt give a shit about her now... its hard. I love and hate her at the same time. Hope this isnt to long for you guys to read! Tried to keep it factual If someone can hurt you like that they are just going to keep doing it over and over... i would guess most of the cheating stories are from girls who cheat over and over and over. In my experience there are a lot of girls who wouldn't cheat and then there are girls who end up cheating on most of their boy friends. There seems like there isn't a lot in between... Pulling the suicide card is fucking pathetic though especially after all of that bullshit on facebook...
agreed pretty much 100% with this post. in my experiences with people, cheating is almost like a "need" for some people, and those people will cheat on their significant others regardless of how happy they are in their relationship. on the other hand, you have the people who are fiercely loyal and won't cheat even if they're miserable with the person they're with. also, to magicquaglor, I'm sorry you're having such a rough time. I've been in your shoes almost exactly. having been there, one thing I have to say is that you should not, under ANY circumstances, start second-guessing your decision to break it off and take her back. if she cheated on you already, she'll only do it again if you take her back. I know the general tone of your post is that you won't take her back, but I know feelings can change, and you might waver if you see her or something. just stand your ground and don't get sucked back in, no matter what.
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
Holy fuck
Solid you are a BAMF
What are you doing nowadays?
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
normally id be against this kind of shit. revenge and violence etc.
but good for you bro. i would have done the same thing
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I feel like posting up my own story just to keep this thread back on track.. so here it goes :D. Unlike all of the other stories here about getting hurt, I'm the one who was hurting somebody else >:D
Our relationship
+ Show Spoiler +About a year and a half ago I started to make a connection with a girl in one of my classes. She was cute, funny, somewhat charming and we had a lot I. common. We started hanging out a lot more, chatting a lot during class and online, and just enjoying each other's company. I started to form a crush on her and attempted to ask her out about two months after I met her. She said yes, but the date went horribly wrong and I just felt completely broken from the shit that happened that day. A few days after she tells me about how she didn't see me in the same way that I saw her, but she still wanted to be friends. She then started avoiding me in school for the next few months but we kept in touch online and via text.
We started to bond again after those few months, going out to movies with her friends, volunteering together, going out to lunch, and just having fun in general. After hanging out with her friends they started to gain a favorable opinion on me, which helps me later on (when we start dating). Later, we go to a dance together and that's when she tells me she likes me, but she doesn't want to go "official". I still had a crush on her and told her that I still likes her. A month rolls by and then we started dating together, and then we go official. Sounds like a happy ending right? To her friends and my friends, it sounded like a classic story of a guy chasing a girl who doesn't like him and finally winning her over, then the end. But, life always takes a turn in a different direction when it seems like everything is fine.
Breaking up
+ Show Spoiler +Months roll on, our relationship is stable, we go on dates every Saturday and we see each other almost every school day. As summer rolls in, we start to do what normal teenagers do when they're in relationships ( *wink wink) and other goodies like that. But even with all these good things going on, I genuinely started getting bored of always hanging out with her. I got hired over the summer, which gave me an excuse to not spend as much time with her, and she got an internship at city hall which cut out all of her free time on the weekdays. After a while, she started to get extremely clingy to me , which made me feel like I was getting strangled and I couldn't spend as much time with my own friends. On our dates, she refused to not invite a third wheel (a habit she had when we first started dating ), and she would always invite her annoying as hell friend. I started to loose my affections for her, but never mentioned breaking up to anybody or tried to show that it was on my mind. She was in a tough spot, with her mother possibly having to move somewhere else because of family issues, so I decided to support her through this rough spot and move breaking the news to another time.
A few weeks later I went off to a music camp where I met another girl who I started to form feelings for. It was really odd, since I knew that I was still in a relationship with a person but I started to form a crush on another person. I started to realize that the relationship I was in was not healthy, nor was it anything that I wanted anymore. It took me a while, but I finally broke up with my now ex. Right after I told her that we should break up, I felt really happy. I felt free. It was the happiest I've ever been since I started dating her. I said to her "we now free from each other!" (well I felt free from her ) and all she said was "It's not like that...".
The Aftermath
+ Show Spoiler +According to her friends, right after I broke up with her, she called her best friend (who was also the annoying third wheel) and started crying and shit to her for the rest of the night. The day after, one of my friends saw her at a tutoring class where she "looked like a complete wreck". One of her closest friends told me that my ex was not taking our breakup too well, and she said "I've never seen her in such a bad state before". A day after that, i saw her for the first time after our breakup while volunteering, but we didn't talk to each other. She looked extremely depressed, with her hair everywhere and her eyes and eyelids bloodshot red from crying. I understood why though, I let her go when she most needed me.
I was shocked about how easily I could hurt somebody so bad with just a simple thought and a few simple words. I think of myself of a nice guy who is incapable of hurting anybody or anything in any way, so seeing somebody else being wrecked and torn apart by my own selfish feelings while I felt nothing was intriguing to me. I felt no remorse, no guilt, no sadness. We haven't talked to each other since, and she's changed a lot after we were together, and I can't say that she has changed in a good way. She restarted her drinking habits, dressed up with much sluttier clothes, and went on a rebound relationship with one of my friends (which obviously ended not too long later). She basically went on a self destruction spree for a while, but now she seems a bit better although I'm not completely sure about how she is now.
tl;dr:
I'm guilty of making a person go self-destruct because of a relationship, and not feel a god damned thing while doing it.
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On February 18 2013 13:27 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Holy fuck Solid you are a BAMF What are you doing nowadays?
Nothing... My life's a mess and the other story (which I won't write) fucked me up a lot more than that... I'm just basically trying to figure out how to make a living without having to leave my house... My parents are helping me a fuck ton, they've been allowing me to live in their basement for the past 2 years without basically asking for anything in return but I love them and I don't want to be a burden on them...
So yeah... Medicated, and going no where is what I'm doing now a days... :/
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On February 18 2013 13:35 SolidMotion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:27 Shady Sands wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Holy fuck Solid you are a BAMF What are you doing nowadays? Nothing... My life's a mess and the other story (which I won't write) fucked me up a lot more than that... I'm just basically trying to figure out how to make a living without having to leave my house... My parents are helping me a fuck ton, they've been allowing me to live in their basement for the past 2 years without basically asking for anything in return but I love them and I don't want to be a burden on them... So yeah... Medicated, and going no where is what I'm doing now a days... :/
Sorry to hear it, Solid. That's pretty fucking horrible what she did to you. Good on you for fighting back. You stopped that asshole from bullying a LOT more people in the future. And sorry you feel so bad. You shouldn't though. That shit is totally not your fault. The world is a pretty fucked up place sometimes, and the more you put your trust in others, the more that fact grows clear. Don't let it bring you down, though. You'll get back in the saddle eventually
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"There were absolutely no signs of a breakup. Typical woman. When women start thinking, and thinking and thinking, the outcome will be pretty clear and stupid, but they always fail to communicate properly and it will be the worst possible way you'll get to know her decision."
This is so true, including you in the process? Telling you about problems? Fuck no..
Its really unfortunate
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On February 18 2013 13:40 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:35 SolidMotion wrote:On February 18 2013 13:27 Shady Sands wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Holy fuck Solid you are a BAMF What are you doing nowadays? Nothing... My life's a mess and the other story (which I won't write) fucked me up a lot more than that... I'm just basically trying to figure out how to make a living without having to leave my house... My parents are helping me a fuck ton, they've been allowing me to live in their basement for the past 2 years without basically asking for anything in return but I love them and I don't want to be a burden on them... So yeah... Medicated, and going no where is what I'm doing now a days... :/ Sorry to hear it, Solid. That's pretty fucking horrible what she did to you. Good on you for fighting back. You stopped that asshole from bullying a LOT more people in the future. And sorry you feel so bad. You shouldn't though. That shit is totally not your fault. The world is a pretty fucked up place sometimes, and the more you put your trust in others, the more that fact grows clear. Don't let it bring you down, though. You'll get back in the saddle eventually
Oh, I picked it back up after that accident... I went to college and all that for a year and a half and then the second "event" which I just don't want to talk about happened... That one was way worst and ended in my failed suicide... so yeah... That period of my life I view as bad and I can somewhat talk about, but the college part of my life I'd rather just avoid...
That last part happened 2 years ago and I'm better off than back then, so I doubt I'll be off to do much in the next 2-3 years :/
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On February 18 2013 13:22 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:56 Shady Sands wrote:On February 18 2013 12:53 ControlMonkey wrote:
Samsung, you sound like a real catch. Any girl would be lucky to have you. If you want to fuck over your own legal, economic, and reproductive rights in the future just to impress a girl, be my guest. I don't really see the link here... Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:01 SamsungStar wrote:
It is definitely rough, but so is going to jail when you fall behind on child support. My whole problem with the huge bias towards women in terms of child custody and support is that if you go through the actual process of conceiving, gestating, delivering, and then raising a child, the man actually has very little choice in the matter. Here we agree, but it's a tricky matter. But after reading this thread, I wouldn't put the blame on divorce laws. I'd put the blame on mediocre couples. A good relationship will avoid most of these problems... if anything, because both partners can agree about the terms in advance, but also because there shouldn't be so much drama or backstabbing to begin with. I haven't seen many couples getting screwed over, maybe I just live in an amazing environment.
Yeah, I'd say you're lucky. I live in Central Florida, in a very affluent area, and jesus christ, there are no divorces as ugly as rich people divorces. Truly venomous people. I agree a good relationship avoids most of these problems. My problem is that American culture isn't lending itself well to producing good partners.
To Xiphos: For me, I don't like the serial dating thing. It just feels really shallow. Plus, I'm busy with my work and only have time to go out maybe once a week. Doesn't lend itself well to playing the field. Also, personality-wise I vastly prefer a single deep, intimate relationship to a dozen surface relationships with girls I don't particularly care for other than sex. I have abandonment issues as well from my peculiar childhood, so the vagaries of girls coming and going tends to tax my mental state. If they're just a cheap fling, it doesn't bother me. But a cheap fling doesn't hold my attention longer than a few nights. If I start investing feelings and she starts playing games, that really fucking bothers me, to the point where I can't work productively for a few days which bothers me even more. So, yeah, I think marriage or long-term relationships are just what work best for me. But that's not what most girls are into. They're more into ski trips to Aspen or romantic weekends in the Bahamas every other month. I don't have the time for that at this point in my life. But I also can't bring myself to jump into bed with a girl who's not hot. :\
To Shady: haha nah, not close to marriage to right now, but when I am, I'm going to Taipei. Forget America!
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On February 18 2013 13:49 SolidMotion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 13:35 SolidMotion wrote:On February 18 2013 13:27 Shady Sands wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Holy fuck Solid you are a BAMF What are you doing nowadays? Nothing... My life's a mess and the other story (which I won't write) fucked me up a lot more than that... I'm just basically trying to figure out how to make a living without having to leave my house... My parents are helping me a fuck ton, they've been allowing me to live in their basement for the past 2 years without basically asking for anything in return but I love them and I don't want to be a burden on them... So yeah... Medicated, and going no where is what I'm doing now a days... :/ Sorry to hear it, Solid. That's pretty fucking horrible what she did to you. Good on you for fighting back. You stopped that asshole from bullying a LOT more people in the future. And sorry you feel so bad. You shouldn't though. That shit is totally not your fault. The world is a pretty fucked up place sometimes, and the more you put your trust in others, the more that fact grows clear. Don't let it bring you down, though. You'll get back in the saddle eventually Oh, I picked it back up after that accident... I went to college and all that for a year and a half and then the second "event" which I just don't want to talk about happened... That one was way worst and ended in my failed suicide... so yeah... That period of my life I view as bad and I can somewhat talk about, but the college part of my life I'd rather just avoid...
You mention the guy ending up in a wheelchair, but what about the girl ?
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On February 18 2013 13:51 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:49 SolidMotion wrote:On February 18 2013 13:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 13:35 SolidMotion wrote:On February 18 2013 13:27 Shady Sands wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Holy fuck Solid you are a BAMF What are you doing nowadays? Nothing... My life's a mess and the other story (which I won't write) fucked me up a lot more than that... I'm just basically trying to figure out how to make a living without having to leave my house... My parents are helping me a fuck ton, they've been allowing me to live in their basement for the past 2 years without basically asking for anything in return but I love them and I don't want to be a burden on them... So yeah... Medicated, and going no where is what I'm doing now a days... :/ Sorry to hear it, Solid. That's pretty fucking horrible what she did to you. Good on you for fighting back. You stopped that asshole from bullying a LOT more people in the future. And sorry you feel so bad. You shouldn't though. That shit is totally not your fault. The world is a pretty fucked up place sometimes, and the more you put your trust in others, the more that fact grows clear. Don't let it bring you down, though. You'll get back in the saddle eventually Oh, I picked it back up after that accident... I went to college and all that for a year and a half and then the second "event" which I just don't want to talk about happened... That one was way worst and ended in my failed suicide... so yeah... That period of my life I view as bad and I can somewhat talk about, but the college part of my life I'd rather just avoid... You mention the guy ending up in a wheelchair, but what about the girl ?
No clue, less I know the better.
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
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No one has ever loved me, so I've never had a break up to experience.
Any friends I know just have boring "oh we broke up" stories.
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The stories in here cut deep. I'm lucky not to have made some of the mistakes that you guys did at a young age. A lot of the stories sound like being ignorant of what your partner was up to, though, and I have a nose for that kind of shit. Probably a product of the venomous influence of my family.
But, on more recent posts:
On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played.
You guys are right about this for a certain type of girl. That's not to say there aren't a lot of people out there who are like this, but if you have any kind of experience with less-than-honest women (and I don't mean the kind of dishonesty where it helps your personal relationship with them, you don't want to know everything, just about things that would otherwise cause you harm/discomfort) then you know what the red flags are. Every single post in this thread begins with huge warning signs when a story is included. I'd rather stick my dick in a food processor than near someone with some of the personality traits that are listed. Even if they have a nice body.
In raising the child and custody, if it goes to arbitration, chances are vastly in favor of the woman keeping custody with man only given visitation rights, weekends etc. Child support's sum is based on man's income. He has very little choice in the matter beyond spending heaps of money on a lawyer and a possible prenuptial which for most middle class Americans is highly unrealistic. 1:4.
I've been living with my girlfriend and her family for 2 years, and we met online over 3 years ago playing WoW together (lol). I love her to death and plan to marry her, but would never do so without a prenup, and she understand that. If someone refuses to accept your financial responsibilities as a part of you, they are not a keeper.
I live in Philadelphia, and holy shit infidelity is common. So are bad breakups, etc. Some of the girls I work with do slutty things and screw guys over in the process, and some are just plain manipulative, but it's so easy to tell who is long-term relationship material or not, for me. Which is fucking odd, because my current relationship is the only one I've ever been in.
We argue from time to time, mostly about things to do with her family and the fact that I'm not financially supporting her and her daughter (she doesn't blame me, she just wants an easier life, same as everyone), but I don't mind. When I say "we argue" what I should really say is "she yells and I calmly reason". She's Puerto Rican and conversations in this house always involve yelling, which is hilarious. But, another thing that I think makes a very large difference (note, I'm listing basically all the conflict, because the why I'm with her is much more boring) is that while I care deeply for her and would be devastated if something happened to her, and I respect her, I will keep on living no matter what happens. If she decided she was better off without me, I would be alright. And I'd know that she was looking out for herself and her daughter, which I respect. I expect everyone around me to act in their own self interest, and it's pleasant when that overlaps with mine. Life is as simple as you make it, even if you are not a simple person.
Solid Motion's Post
You got duped by a whore, and learned to trust your instincts and that vengeance feels good. Hone your instincts, grow yourself as a person, and you will go far. And get to know somebody's motivations before you get involved with them. You met a new person who was pleasant, who then underwent trauma and took it out on herself. Even before she lashed out at her friends and you, (which you stuck through) she was in a bad way. I knew a girl just like this in high school, she is still on my facebook, and I thought she was hot in 8th grade or so. Even if someone like that doesn't fall in with the wrong crowd, they're a timebomb. You can't have a stable relationship until YOU are stable. Regardless of what you want out of it, things get "complicated" or "confusing" when you don't know who you are and where you're at.
By the way, if your hands are still in good shape (not sure based on your post) you should really try investing yourself into a hobby that involves creating something. Woodworking, stoneworking, programming, design, and music can all give you some supplemental income in addition to a "real" job whenever that comes. And, more importantly, they give you the satisfaction that your creations are out there. Like the difference between writing incredible stories on TL (think Shady S.) versus putting them in a book, and having it published. Even if you don't make a ton of money, you made something fantastic.
Now let's get to discussin'.
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On February 18 2013 14:28 aeroblaster wrote:
No one has ever loved me, so I've never had a break up to experience.
Any friends I know just have boring "oh we broke up" stories.
I will love you, my friend. Together we will venture forth into the great beyond and forge our destinies in adventure.
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CapnAmerica, I don't post much but I must say you are my new hero. Keep on rockin it man.
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On February 18 2013 14:37 CapnAmerica wrote:_____________________________________________ You got duped by a whore, and learned to trust your instincts and that vengeance feels good. Hone your instincts, grow yourself as a person, and you will go far. And get to know somebody's motivations before you get involved with them. You met a new person who was pleasant, who then underwent trauma and took it out on herself. Even before she lashed out at her friends and you, (which you stuck through) she was in a bad way. I knew a girl just like this in high school, she is still on my facebook, and I thought she was hot in 8th grade or so. Even if someone like that doesn't fall in with the wrong crowd, they're a timebomb. You can't have a stable relationship until YOU are stable. Regardless of what you want out of it, things get "complicated" or "confusing" when you don't know who you are and where you're at. By the way, if your hands are still in good shape (not sure based on your post) you should really try investing yourself into a hobby that involves creating something. Woodworking, stoneworking, programming, design, and music can all give you some supplemental income in addition to a "real" job whenever that comes. And, more importantly, they give you the satisfaction that your creations are out there. Like the difference between writing incredible stories on TL (think Shady S.) versus putting them in a book, and having it published. Even if you don't make a ton of money, you made something fantastic. Now let's get to discussin'.
My hands are still in good shape...
I've been interested in music and programming and have tried them both but the problem I've had since the last two years is that I've never been able to maintain constant interest in something, even with SC2. Like, I'll be close to finally getting somewhat good at one thing and then all my motivation will drop and I'll move on to something else feeling like shit. I can't really explain how that came to be but with all the medication I have right now I couldn't figure it out even if I tried. >.<
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
Holy christ. I'm in this now, please continue.
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To Capn: Hindsight is 20/20 and the guy on the outside always sees what's going on. It's 100% different to the guy on the inside. Why? Because the girl is actually trying to keep her shit hidden from her man. She could care less about what the co-worker thinks.
Also, when a girl can suck the chrome off a sink faucet, has legs that run for days, and wakes you up in the morning with a warm-towel massage and a lavender oil handjob, yeah, you can get lost in the mix pretty quick. What I've highlighted in this thread is all the BAD shit a girl can get up to. You're completely forgetting the part where these same girls are fucking experts at indulging in the finer things in life. They know how to hook a man.
These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood.
They are the ones who never complain, never nag, never yell, never get jealous. They pay for their own meals. They'll even do your laundry and cook for you when they're in the mood. They'll buy you gifts, they'll leave little I <3 U cards in random places where you don't expect them. They are romantic and seductive and attentive. They're vibrant and witty and full of life. They like running in the forest and fucking under waterfalls. They like calling you at 2 am to go skinny dipping when it's freezing out and they'll do so simply by texting you a picture of an erect, half-submerged nipple. And you'll go. And you'll get violently ill the next day. But you don't give a fuck because it was an unforgettable night.
They'll fuck you in your car just to change things up, and they're flexible enough to even make it satisfying. And then they'll write a sweet little message on the steamy window that you won't even find until the next time it rains and your dad is in the car with you and he's asking why you wrote "To my favorite flavor, XOXO" on the window.
And then, she'll leave you. And she won't say why. She'll just smile and say the memories you made together meant the world to her and she still loves you with all her heart. The only thing is she loves everybody else as well .
So call them whores if you want. Call them bad girls. Say they put up all the red flags and you should just stay away. Say that there are decent girls out there who are looking for something stable. And I'll agree with you. But there's a reason many men get broken by the man-eaters. There's a reason when they crook a finger the masses come running. It's because, sometimes, they're just that fucking good. The problem is they know it.
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On February 18 2013 15:14 SamsungStar wrote:To Capn: Hindsight is 20/20 and the guy on the outside always sees what's going on. It's 100% different to the guy on the inside. Why? Because the girl is actually trying to keep her shit hidden from her man. She could care less about what the co-worker thinks. Also, when a girl can suck the chrome off a sink faucet, has legs that run for days, and wakes you up in the morning with a warm-towel massage and a lavender oil handjob, yeah, you can get lost in the mix pretty quick. What I've highlighted in this thread is all the BAD shit a girl can get up to. You're completely forgetting the part where these same girls are fucking experts at indulging in the finer things in life. They know how to hook a man. These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood. They are the ones who never complain, never nag, never yell, never get jealous. They pay for their own meals. They'll even do your laundry and cook for you when they're in the mood. They'll buy you gifts, they'll leave little I <3 U cards in random places where you don't expect them. They are romantic and seductive and attentive. They're vibrant and witty and full of life. They like running in the forest and fucking under waterfalls. They like calling you at 2 am to go skinny dipping when it's freezing out and they'll do so simply by texting you a picture of an erect, half-submerged nipple. And you'll go. And you'll get violently ill the next day. But you don't give a fuck because it was an unforgettable night. They'll fuck you in your car just to change things up, and they're flexible enough to even make it satisfying. And then they'll write a sweet little message on the steamy window that you won't even find until the next time it rains and your dad is in the car with you and he's asking why you wrote "To my favorite flavor, XOXO" on the window. And then, she'll leave you. And she won't say why. She'll just smile and say the memories you made together meant the world to her and she still loves you with all her heart. The only thing is she loves everybody else as well . So call them whores if you want. Call them bad girls. Say they put up all the red flags and you should just stay away. Say that there are decent girls out there who are looking for something stable. And I'll agree with you. But there's a reason many men get broken by the man-eaters. There's a reason when they crook a finger the masses come running. It's because, sometimes, they're just that fucking good. The problem is they know it.
I think that post just made the thread to be honest... /bow
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On February 18 2013 15:14 SamsungStar wrote:To Capn: Hindsight is 20/20 and the guy on the outside always sees what's going on. It's 100% different to the guy on the inside. Why? Because the girl is actually trying to keep her shit hidden from her man. She could care less about what the co-worker thinks. Also, when a girl can suck the chrome off a sink faucet, has legs that run for days, and wakes you up in the morning with a warm-towel massage and a lavender oil handjob, yeah, you can get lost in the mix pretty quick. What I've highlighted in this thread is all the BAD shit a girl can get up to. You're completely forgetting the part where these same girls are fucking experts at indulging in the finer things in life. They know how to hook a man. These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood. They are the ones who never complain, never nag, never yell, never get jealous. They pay for their own meals. They'll even do your laundry and cook for you when they're in the mood. They'll buy you gifts, they'll leave little I <3 U cards in random places where you don't expect them. They are romantic and seductive and attentive. They're vibrant and witty and full of life. They like running in the forest and fucking under waterfalls. They like calling you at 2 am to go skinny dipping when it's freezing out and they'll do so simply by texting you a picture of an erect, half-submerged nipple. And you'll go. And you'll get violently ill the next day. But you don't give a fuck because it was an unforgettable night. They'll fuck you in your car just to change things up, and they're flexible enough to even make it satisfying. And then they'll write a sweet little message on the steamy window that you won't even find until the next time it rains and your dad is in the car with you and he's asking why you wrote "To my favorite flavor, XOXO" on the window. And then, she'll leave you. And she won't say why. She'll just smile and say the memories you made together meant the world to her and she still loves you with all her heart. The only thing is she loves everybody else as well . So call them whores if you want. Call them bad girls. Say they put up all the red flags and you should just stay away. Say that there are decent girls out there who are looking for something stable. And I'll agree with you. But there's a reason many men get broken by the man-eaters. There's a reason when they crook a finger the masses come running. It's because, sometimes, they're just that fucking good. The problem is they know it.
This post wins the thread.
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There's always a "but". All those things you listed are temptations. I'm no saint, and I have emotions, but I see it coming a mile away. I've seen every opportunity that I've had to put myself in a position where I can indulge in all that craziness and fantastic, beautiful, unrestrained life. But I won't. I think like an economist, my friend. I don't want a front-loaded investment that will cost me in the long run. I don't want to deal with all the bullshit associated with having a good fuck, or fifty, when you're fucking with fire.
You say :
Hindsight is 20/20 and the guy on the outside always sees what's going on. It's 100% different to the guy on the inside. Why? Because the girl is actually trying to keep her shit hidden from her man. She could care less about what the co-worker thinks.
But it takes a change in who you are to be the person on the 'inside'. I am well versed in manipulation, lies, and bullshit from the opposite sex. But not because of romantic relationships. The moment you let yourself ignore your instincts you are lost. There is a point of no return always, where delusions are easier to handle than the world you really live in. But if you're cold enough and smart enough, you will never, ever be caught out by this kind of behavior. The only people who will actually cause you harm are the ones you let. Men, women, it doesn't matter. You can abuse and manipulate people with their desires regardless of if you're talking about sex or money or religion.
The impossibly easy 'trick' is to know what makes you happy and pursuing it. If you pursue what makes you happy exclusively, you won't end up in tears, flavor or not.
What people chase that puts them "inside" and at the mercy of another person is the idea that things will somehow be better when they detach themselves from logic for the thrill. And they will love it, until the end. It's a personal choice if you want to make it. But it's by no means some impossible choice to avoid being fucked, literally.
p.s. I want you to write a romance novel, you treacherous dog.
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On February 18 2013 15:14 SamsungStar wrote:
These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood.
You can have all that in a loving committed relationship too.
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On February 18 2013 15:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:14 SamsungStar wrote:
These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood. You can have all that in a loving committed relationship too.
True that.
But we keep the 50 Shades of Grey stuff under wraps, so nobody else needs to know.
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This thread have some seriously depressing contents, are you guys exaggerating or what?
I guess I'm lucky I have never met any truly evil person in my life.
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50 shades is fucked up. You shouldn't go anywhere near that "her mouth said no but her eyes said yes" shit, that sounds interesting in the rape fantasy way but it's rape in the rape way. The way you get dirty shit with a girl in a committed relationship is you actually stop when she says no and then she knows you're not a rapist and feels comfortable with the rope and the blindfold.
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On February 18 2013 15:34 haduken wrote:
This thread have some seriously depressing contents, are you guys exaggerating or what?
I guess I'm lucky I have never met any truly evil person in my life.
I know. I feel kind of sheltered.
This is almost as depressing as reading YouTube comments. Hmmm.
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On February 18 2013 15:37 KwarK wrote:
50 shades is fucked up. You shouldn't go anywhere near that "her mouth said no but her eyes said yes" shit, that sounds interesting in the rape fantasy way but it's rape in the rape way. The way you get dirty shit with a girl in a committed relationship is you actually stop when she says no and then she knows you're not a rapist and feels comfortable with the rope and the blindfold.
XD
Agreed!
But it's not so much about "the way you get" as what you're both legitimately interested in doing. Many people might not openly share fantasies, but it can be great for a long-term relationship. Plus, no baggage. Unless you have a luggage fetish.
Many people also happen to think that dirty sex means things that are so depraved and 'wrong' that you wouldn't do it with a person you love and respect. But it's really such a broad term that you can enjoy a fantastic relationship and varied sex life without being as skanky as the girls down in Hunting Park sucking dick for crack.
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On February 18 2013 15:39 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:34 haduken wrote:
This thread have some seriously depressing contents, are you guys exaggerating or what?
I guess I'm lucky I have never met any truly evil person in my life. I know. I feel kind of sheltered. This is almost as depressing as reading YouTube comments. Hmmm.
Evil exists in the world and is real. The key is to identify and neutralize it. The light in you can reveal the darkness in others, and while it cannot extinguish it, it can make the world around you a brighter place.
Meeting evil people is totally overrated.
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I kind of miss the days of earnest courtship:
At the age of 16, Tolkien met Edith Mary Bratt, who was three years older, when he and his brother Hilary moved into the boarding house in which she lived. According to Humphrey Carpenter:
Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham teashops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty. ... With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both were orphans in need of affection, and they found that they could give it to each other. During the summer of 1909, they decided that they were in love.[43]
His guardian, Father Francis Morgan, viewing Edith as a distraction from Tolkien's school work and horrified that his young charge was seriously involved with a Protestant girl, prohibited him from meeting, talking to, or even corresponding with her until he was 21. He obeyed this prohibition to the letter,[44] with one notable early exception which made Father Morgan threaten to cut short his University career if he did not stop.[45]
On the evening of his 21st birthday, Tolkien wrote to Edith a declaration of his love and asked her to marry him. Edith replied saying that she had already agreed to marry another man, but that she had done so because she had believed Tolkien had forgotten her. The two met beneath a railway viaduct and renewed their love; Edith returned her engagement ring and announced that she was marrying Tolkien instead.[46] Following their engagement Edith reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. Her landlord, a staunch Protestant, was infuriated and evicted her as soon as she was able to find other lodgings.[47] Edith and Ronald were formally engaged in Birmingham, in January 1913, and married at St. Mary Immaculate Roman Catholic Church, Warwick, on 22 March 1916.[48]
It all seems so cheap these days, relationships and such, and I feel like it's no longer worth the effort. I hear that during the Cultural Revolution in China it was pretty love-crazy too. Nowadays it's just sex-crazy.
(I do feel bad for Edith's ex-fiance though.)
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On February 18 2013 15:29 CapnAmerica wrote:
p.s. I want you to write a romance novel, you treacherous dog.
I'm a pisces and a fiction writer, the chances of me being pragmatic in the face of romance and high sexual tension are slim to about... none . It's just a very addictive sensation.
But the day I meet a girl who can do all that and doesn't like to fuck about, play head games, or share the love is the day I get down on one knee.
About the whole committed relationship thing being able to do it too. Hmm, I don't know. I have trouble believing that. Never nag, never get jealous or clingy or controlling, never get boring or into a rut. It's not just about the wild, crazy sex. That's what surfaced from my subconscious memory as I was writing, but it's more the feeling of I dno, freedom? lack of expectations or pressures? It's so different from everything else in my life, especially as a Chinese son of an affluent family.
This type of girl has 20 other guys waiting in line so she just doesn't give much of a fuck if things go wrong. It's her breezy attitude, her lack of ANY wants or needs. She literally demands nothing except your adoration, your passion. And in return she just gives and gives, mostly because it amuses her. It entertains her to find a new catch that she can play with for a while and in the moment she loves you as intensely as any human can love. But then she moves on, and all that's left are ashes.
It's very different from anything else I've experienced. I've gone on many dates with nice girls, pretty girls, smart girls from good families. Girls who are looking for Mr. Right, not Mr. Right Now, and it just does NOTHING for me. It feels totally empty. I have a nice time with them. I'm charming. I'm witty. I keep the conversation flowing and engage and flirt plenty. I get plenty of 2nd and 3rd dates and invitations upstairs. But god, it just feels SO sleepy compared to the aforementioned girls. The "good girls," the respectable ones, it's like you can see the way their minds are working, how they're sizing you up in terms of how respectable a catch you are. Their questions are dull and standard or pleasant at best. There are no surprises. Just hoops to jump through. And I jump them, because that's what I know I'm expected to do. But after I put on the song and dance they want, and they're eager to take it to the next level, I'm just left feeling empty and lifeless and very very bored.
I don't like being unhappy and unfulfilled. It just seems to be the cycle I'm trapped in right now. Moments of high intensity, followed by a wasteland of substitutes, then another moment of intensity, etc. I've run into 3 girls like the one I described, and all of them were elusive and unforgettable in their own way, yet in many ways very similar to each other. I've also seen all of them go on to break a rather impressive string of hearts. And even after doing all that, I don't think there's a single man they've left who doesn't still love them within an inch of their life. One of them is 26 now. Another one is 27. Another one is 29. None of them are married or even remotely close to it. Yet they ALWAYS have a man. And he's always either very handsome or very successful and handsome.
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On February 18 2013 15:48 babylon wrote:I kind of miss the days of earnest courtship: Show nested quote +At the age of 16, Tolkien met Edith Mary Bratt, who was three years older, when he and his brother Hilary moved into the boarding house in which she lived. According to Humphrey Carpenter:
Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham teashops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty. ... With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both were orphans in need of affection, and they found that they could give it to each other. During the summer of 1909, they decided that they were in love.[43]
His guardian, Father Francis Morgan, viewing Edith as a distraction from Tolkien's school work and horrified that his young charge was seriously involved with a Protestant girl, prohibited him from meeting, talking to, or even corresponding with her until he was 21. He obeyed this prohibition to the letter,[44] with one notable early exception which made Father Morgan threaten to cut short his University career if he did not stop.[45]
On the evening of his 21st birthday, Tolkien wrote to Edith a declaration of his love and asked her to marry him. Edith replied saying that she had already agreed to marry another man, but that she had done so because she had believed Tolkien had forgotten her. The two met beneath a railway viaduct and renewed their love; Edith returned her engagement ring and announced that she was marrying Tolkien instead.[46] Following their engagement Edith reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. Her landlord, a staunch Protestant, was infuriated and evicted her as soon as she was able to find other lodgings.[47] Edith and Ronald were formally engaged in Birmingham, in January 1913, and married at St. Mary Immaculate Roman Catholic Church, Warwick, on 22 March 1916.[48] It all seems so cheap these days, relationships and such, and I feel like it's no longer worth the effort. I hear that during the Cultural Revolution in China it was pretty love-crazy too. Nowadays it's just sex-crazy. (I do feel bad for Edith's ex-fiance though.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/9850549/The-difficulties-of-21st-century-dating.html#disqus_thread
This is a pretty good summary of how many women see dating nowadays.
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On February 18 2013 15:58 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:29 CapnAmerica wrote:
p.s. I want you to write a romance novel, you treacherous dog. I'm a pisces and a fiction writer, the chances of me being pragmatic in the face of romance and high sexual tension are slim to about... none . It's just a very addictive sensation. But the day I meet a girl who can do all that and doesn't like to fuck about, play head games, or share the love is the day I get down on one knee. About the whole committed relationship thing being able to do it too. Hmm, I don't know. I have trouble believing that. Never nag, never get jealous or clingy or controlling, never get boring or into a rut. It's not just about the wild, crazy sex. That's what surfaced from my subconscious memory as I was writing, but it's more the feeling of I dno, freedom? lack of expectations or pressures? It's so different from everything else in my life, especially as a Chinese son of an affluent family. This type of girl has 20 other guys waiting in line so she just doesn't give much of a fuck if things go wrong. It's her breezy attitude, her lack of ANY wants or needs. She literally demands nothing except your adoration, your passion. And in return she just gives and gives, mostly because it amuses her. It entertains her to find a new catch that she can play with for a while and in the moment she loves you as intensely as any human can love. But then she moves on, and all that's left are ashes. It's very different from anything else I've experienced. I've gone on many dates with nice girls, pretty girls, smart girls from good families. Girls who are looking for Mr. Right, not Mr. Right Now, and it just does NOTHING for me. It feels totally empty. I have a nice time with them. I'm charming. I'm witty. I keep the conversation flowing and engage and flirt plenty. I get plenty of 2nd and 3rd dates and invitations upstairs. But god, it just feels SO sleepy compared to the aforementioned girls. The "good girls," the respectable ones, it's like you can see the way their minds are working, how they're sizing you up in terms of how respectable a catch you are. Their questions are dull and standard or pleasant at best. There are no surprises. Just hoops to jump through. And I jump them, because that's what I know I'm expected to do. But after I put on the song and dance they want, and they're eager to take it to the next level, I'm just left feeling empty and lifeless and very very bored. I don't like being unhappy and unfulfilled. It just seems to be the cycle I'm trapped in right now. Moments of high intensity, followed by a wasteland of substitutes, then another moment of intensity, etc. I've run into 3 girls like the one I described, and all of them were elusive and unforgettable in their own way, yet in many ways very similar to each other. I've also seen all of them go on to break a rather impressive string of hearts. And even after doing all that, I don't think there's a single man they've left who doesn't still love them within an inch of their life. One of them is 26 now. Another one is 27. Another one is 29. None of them are married or even remotely close to it. Yet they ALWAYS have a man. And he's always either very handsome or very successful and handsome.
I feel you so much with this post, minus experiencing a few things myself.
If I hadn't found the girl I'm with, I might've said "fuck it" and gone off to live for those thrills. And by might've I mean I would've done it. And I get things done that I want to, because I'm an arrogant and talented asshole. I'm not surprised that you aren't enjoying putting on a show for girls who don't challenge and entertain you, and force you out of your bubble. For you, the fun is in the fact that you don't have control. And it feels fantastic. Then you split up. And you want it again, and again. And when those girls eventually grow old and run out of men to pick (or get married, etc. depending on their choices) then they may feel the same way that they made all of those guys feel. Maybe.
But I'm a Libra, so we're on opposite sides of the... scale. I'm glad I didn't go down that route, because callousness and the power of falsehoods can warp someone's world into a real nightmare, and I know that I would've given zero fucks.
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Reading all these stories makes it really hard to trust people heh.
Anyways, worst story I've heard of is my best friend getting together with this girl @ around the age of 16, around the age of 17 he gets her pregnant and everything seems fine and dandy until one day he decides to bring a girl to his house and he gets caught and she finds out(not sure exactly how he gets caught), they break up and he moves out of the country leaving her with a baby.
So sad. Knowing there are both men and women that cruel in the world is kinda depressing.
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LOL at KickBoxer's Post! hahaha
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you know Samsung and Shady you guys should just turn gay and marry each other. You obviously are on the same wavelength. You both have impressive abilities with words. Both are 2nd gen Chinese in the states. Both hint at battle scars dueling with the booby monsters.
Its quite a shame that you guys share the same gender, kind of like starcrossed lovers.
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On February 18 2013 16:02 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:48 babylon wrote:I kind of miss the days of earnest courtship: At the age of 16, Tolkien met Edith Mary Bratt, who was three years older, when he and his brother Hilary moved into the boarding house in which she lived. According to Humphrey Carpenter:
Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham teashops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty. ... With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both were orphans in need of affection, and they found that they could give it to each other. During the summer of 1909, they decided that they were in love.[43]
His guardian, Father Francis Morgan, viewing Edith as a distraction from Tolkien's school work and horrified that his young charge was seriously involved with a Protestant girl, prohibited him from meeting, talking to, or even corresponding with her until he was 21. He obeyed this prohibition to the letter,[44] with one notable early exception which made Father Morgan threaten to cut short his University career if he did not stop.[45]
On the evening of his 21st birthday, Tolkien wrote to Edith a declaration of his love and asked her to marry him. Edith replied saying that she had already agreed to marry another man, but that she had done so because she had believed Tolkien had forgotten her. The two met beneath a railway viaduct and renewed their love; Edith returned her engagement ring and announced that she was marrying Tolkien instead.[46] Following their engagement Edith reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. Her landlord, a staunch Protestant, was infuriated and evicted her as soon as she was able to find other lodgings.[47] Edith and Ronald were formally engaged in Birmingham, in January 1913, and married at St. Mary Immaculate Roman Catholic Church, Warwick, on 22 March 1916.[48] It all seems so cheap these days, relationships and such, and I feel like it's no longer worth the effort. I hear that during the Cultural Revolution in China it was pretty love-crazy too. Nowadays it's just sex-crazy. (I do feel bad for Edith's ex-fiance though.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/9850549/The-difficulties-of-21st-century-dating.html#disqus_threadThis is a pretty good summary of how many women see dating nowadays.
Yeah, the ease of connection and the advent of the Internet + cell phones + social media makes contact ever-so-cheap now. Or I guess it's better for people who fear rejection, but man.
Not to mention how sexualized everything is these days, it's hard to know if people just want to shack up with you for easy sex or because they're lonely or because they want to have something with you beyond a fuck. It is somewhat problematic for me, because the last time I felt any sort of attraction to anyone (sexual or romantic or otherwise, like just a stupid crush) was years and years and years ago. High school, now that I think about it. -__-;; And people say college is the time to meet people, rofl.
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On February 18 2013 16:26 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 15:48 babylon wrote:I kind of miss the days of earnest courtship: At the age of 16, Tolkien met Edith Mary Bratt, who was three years older, when he and his brother Hilary moved into the boarding house in which she lived. According to Humphrey Carpenter:
Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham teashops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty. ... With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both were orphans in need of affection, and they found that they could give it to each other. During the summer of 1909, they decided that they were in love.[43]
His guardian, Father Francis Morgan, viewing Edith as a distraction from Tolkien's school work and horrified that his young charge was seriously involved with a Protestant girl, prohibited him from meeting, talking to, or even corresponding with her until he was 21. He obeyed this prohibition to the letter,[44] with one notable early exception which made Father Morgan threaten to cut short his University career if he did not stop.[45]
On the evening of his 21st birthday, Tolkien wrote to Edith a declaration of his love and asked her to marry him. Edith replied saying that she had already agreed to marry another man, but that she had done so because she had believed Tolkien had forgotten her. The two met beneath a railway viaduct and renewed their love; Edith returned her engagement ring and announced that she was marrying Tolkien instead.[46] Following their engagement Edith reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. Her landlord, a staunch Protestant, was infuriated and evicted her as soon as she was able to find other lodgings.[47] Edith and Ronald were formally engaged in Birmingham, in January 1913, and married at St. Mary Immaculate Roman Catholic Church, Warwick, on 22 March 1916.[48] It all seems so cheap these days, relationships and such, and I feel like it's no longer worth the effort. I hear that during the Cultural Revolution in China it was pretty love-crazy too. Nowadays it's just sex-crazy. (I do feel bad for Edith's ex-fiance though.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/9850549/The-difficulties-of-21st-century-dating.html#disqus_threadThis is a pretty good summary of how many women see dating nowadays. Yeah, the ease of connection and the advent of the Internet + cell phones + social media makes contact ever-so-cheap now. Or I guess it's better for people who fear rejection, but man. Not to mention how sexualized everything is these days, it's hard to know if people just want to shack up with you for easy sex or because they're lonely or because they want to have something with you beyond a fuck. It is somewhat problematic for me, because the last time I felt any sort of attraction to anyone (sexual or romantic or otherwise, like just a stupid crush) was years and years and years ago.
Yeah, the cheapness of contact is what really annoys me. Nobody values anyone else's company anymore. You might be more interesting than 5 other guys, but you're not more interesting than all five of them combined!
Like your story about Tolkien. That mfer waited how long? 5 years? Never let the flame go. Waited that entire time and shot off a letter as soon as he could. Nowadays, could you imagine someone in our generation doing that? Holding off on a text for 5 days would be a struggle. The lack of discipline and dedication is just saddening.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2013 16:13 CapnAmerica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:58 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 15:29 CapnAmerica wrote:
p.s. I want you to write a romance novel, you treacherous dog. I'm a pisces and a fiction writer, the chances of me being pragmatic in the face of romance and high sexual tension are slim to about... none . It's just a very addictive sensation. But the day I meet a girl who can do all that and doesn't like to fuck about, play head games, or share the love is the day I get down on one knee. About the whole committed relationship thing being able to do it too. Hmm, I don't know. I have trouble believing that. Never nag, never get jealous or clingy or controlling, never get boring or into a rut. It's not just about the wild, crazy sex. That's what surfaced from my subconscious memory as I was writing, but it's more the feeling of I dno, freedom? lack of expectations or pressures? It's so different from everything else in my life, especially as a Chinese son of an affluent family. This type of girl has 20 other guys waiting in line so she just doesn't give much of a fuck if things go wrong. It's her breezy attitude, her lack of ANY wants or needs. She literally demands nothing except your adoration, your passion. And in return she just gives and gives, mostly because it amuses her. It entertains her to find a new catch that she can play with for a while and in the moment she loves you as intensely as any human can love. But then she moves on, and all that's left are ashes. It's very different from anything else I've experienced. I've gone on many dates with nice girls, pretty girls, smart girls from good families. Girls who are looking for Mr. Right, not Mr. Right Now, and it just does NOTHING for me. It feels totally empty. I have a nice time with them. I'm charming. I'm witty. I keep the conversation flowing and engage and flirt plenty. I get plenty of 2nd and 3rd dates and invitations upstairs. But god, it just feels SO sleepy compared to the aforementioned girls. The "good girls," the respectable ones, it's like you can see the way their minds are working, how they're sizing you up in terms of how respectable a catch you are. Their questions are dull and standard or pleasant at best. There are no surprises. Just hoops to jump through. And I jump them, because that's what I know I'm expected to do. But after I put on the song and dance they want, and they're eager to take it to the next level, I'm just left feeling empty and lifeless and very very bored. I don't like being unhappy and unfulfilled. It just seems to be the cycle I'm trapped in right now. Moments of high intensity, followed by a wasteland of substitutes, then another moment of intensity, etc. I've run into 3 girls like the one I described, and all of them were elusive and unforgettable in their own way, yet in many ways very similar to each other. I've also seen all of them go on to break a rather impressive string of hearts. And even after doing all that, I don't think there's a single man they've left who doesn't still love them within an inch of their life. One of them is 26 now. Another one is 27. Another one is 29. None of them are married or even remotely close to it. Yet they ALWAYS have a man. And he's always either very handsome or very successful and handsome. I feel you so much with this post, minus experiencing a few things myself. If I hadn't found the girl I'm with, I might've said "fuck it" and gone off to live for those thrills. And by might've I mean I would've done it. And I get things done that I want to, because I'm an arrogant and talented asshole. I'm not surprised that you aren't enjoying putting on a show for girls who don't challenge and entertain you, and force you out of your bubble. For you, the fun is in the fact that you don't have control. And it feels fantastic. Then you split up. And you want it again, and again. And when those girls eventually grow old and run out of men to pick (or get married, etc. depending on their choices) then they may feel the same way that they made all of those guys feel. Maybe. But I'm a Libra, so we're on opposite sides of the... scale. I'm glad I didn't go down that route, because callousness and the power of falsehoods can warp someone's world into a real nightmare, and I know that I would've given zero fucks.
Lol yeah my little brother is a Libra and he's never liked ANY of my gf's. He was always pissed off saying I dated scandalous girls XD. He'd hear about them sleeping with other guys after we broke up and he'd curse about how they were whores for days. I'd just shrug, laugh, and say I expected as much. Oh well. That's what this thread is for :D. But yeah, this is why I think it's funny when guys try to claim I'm a bitter woman-hater. I'm far from it. What I hate is not women, but the fact I love women.
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On February 18 2013 16:23 sths wrote:
you know Samsung and Shady you guys should just turn gay and marry each other. You obviously are on the same wavelength. You both have impressive abilities with words. Both are 2nd gen Chinese in the states. Both hint at battle scars dueling with the booby monsters.
Its quite a shame that you guys share the same gender, kind of like starcrossed lovers.
I am in a similar situation right now. I am dating a guy who was so fed up with women that he eventually gave up on dating women altogether and going out with me. How the relationship works is that he could seek whatever sexual pleasure he wished from women while devoting himself emotionally to me.
Of course we have our disagreements which made things all the more interesting. We both advocate sexual liberation but he is quite the sexist while I hold the opposing view.
Opposites sure attract <3
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On February 18 2013 16:36 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:23 sths wrote:
you know Samsung and Shady you guys should just turn gay and marry each other. You obviously are on the same wavelength. You both have impressive abilities with words. Both are 2nd gen Chinese in the states. Both hint at battle scars dueling with the booby monsters.
Its quite a shame that you guys share the same gender, kind of like starcrossed lovers. I am in a similar situation right now. I am dating a guy who was so fed up with women that he eventually gave up on dating women altogether and going out with me. How the relationship works is that he could seek whatever sexual pleasure he wished from women while devoting himself emotionally to me. Of course we have our disagreements which made things all the more interesting. We both advocate sexual liberation but he is quite the sexist while I hold the opposing view. Opposites sure attract <3
LOL no thanks! Shady seems like a swell guy, but I'm very into chicks, emotional torture included. I sort of like the agony. Shiragaku, your relationship sounds pretty nutty. Care to share more?
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On February 18 2013 16:30 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:26 babylon wrote:On February 18 2013 16:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 15:48 babylon wrote:I kind of miss the days of earnest courtship: At the age of 16, Tolkien met Edith Mary Bratt, who was three years older, when he and his brother Hilary moved into the boarding house in which she lived. According to Humphrey Carpenter:
Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham teashops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty. ... With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both were orphans in need of affection, and they found that they could give it to each other. During the summer of 1909, they decided that they were in love.[43]
His guardian, Father Francis Morgan, viewing Edith as a distraction from Tolkien's school work and horrified that his young charge was seriously involved with a Protestant girl, prohibited him from meeting, talking to, or even corresponding with her until he was 21. He obeyed this prohibition to the letter,[44] with one notable early exception which made Father Morgan threaten to cut short his University career if he did not stop.[45]
On the evening of his 21st birthday, Tolkien wrote to Edith a declaration of his love and asked her to marry him. Edith replied saying that she had already agreed to marry another man, but that she had done so because she had believed Tolkien had forgotten her. The two met beneath a railway viaduct and renewed their love; Edith returned her engagement ring and announced that she was marrying Tolkien instead.[46] Following their engagement Edith reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. Her landlord, a staunch Protestant, was infuriated and evicted her as soon as she was able to find other lodgings.[47] Edith and Ronald were formally engaged in Birmingham, in January 1913, and married at St. Mary Immaculate Roman Catholic Church, Warwick, on 22 March 1916.[48] It all seems so cheap these days, relationships and such, and I feel like it's no longer worth the effort. I hear that during the Cultural Revolution in China it was pretty love-crazy too. Nowadays it's just sex-crazy. (I do feel bad for Edith's ex-fiance though.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/9850549/The-difficulties-of-21st-century-dating.html#disqus_threadThis is a pretty good summary of how many women see dating nowadays. Yeah, the ease of connection and the advent of the Internet + cell phones + social media makes contact ever-so-cheap now. Or I guess it's better for people who fear rejection, but man. Not to mention how sexualized everything is these days, it's hard to know if people just want to shack up with you for easy sex or because they're lonely or because they want to have something with you beyond a fuck. It is somewhat problematic for me, because the last time I felt any sort of attraction to anyone (sexual or romantic or otherwise, like just a stupid crush) was years and years and years ago. Yeah, the cheapness of contact is what really annoys me. Nobody values anyone else's company anymore. You might be more interesting than 5 other guys, but you're not more interesting than all five of them combined! Like your story about Tolkien. That mfer waited how long? 5 years? Never let the flame go. Waited that entire time and shot off a letter as soon as he could. Nowadays, could you imagine someone in our generation doing that? Holding off on a text for 5 days would be a struggle. The lack of discipline and dedication is just saddening.
Whenever I feel the need to communicate something deeply ingrained in myself to my girlfriend, I sit down and write it out. I take my time and express myself as cleanly and clearly as I can, because the moment I open my mouth in real life it will have none of the power that my written word does, straight from my mind. Words are wind. Text is the power to move someone's mind with your thoughts. If I hear a prepared speech from someone, I can be moved; because the text is there, the feeling, the emotion. Not just the instinct, the buzz of chatter.
I hear bullshit on a daily basis, I'm spoonfed bullshit from every source of news around me. What I want is calm and truth, so that's what I give out to the people around me, as best I can. And if all they want is bullshit in return for theirs, that's what they'll get, with pleasantries and all.
The value, the care, that goes into crafting something you care about and shipping it out into the world. Whether it's to your lover or a friend.
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On February 18 2013 16:41 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:36 Shiragaku wrote:On February 18 2013 16:23 sths wrote:
you know Samsung and Shady you guys should just turn gay and marry each other. You obviously are on the same wavelength. You both have impressive abilities with words. Both are 2nd gen Chinese in the states. Both hint at battle scars dueling with the booby monsters.
Its quite a shame that you guys share the same gender, kind of like starcrossed lovers. I am in a similar situation right now. I am dating a guy who was so fed up with women that he eventually gave up on dating women altogether and going out with me. How the relationship works is that he could seek whatever sexual pleasure he wished from women while devoting himself emotionally to me. Of course we have our disagreements which made things all the more interesting. We both advocate sexual liberation but he is quite the sexist while I hold the opposing view. Opposites sure attract <3 LOL no thanks! Shady seems like a swell guy, but I'm very into chicks, emotional torture included. I sort of like the agony. Shiragaku, your relationship sounds pretty nutty. Care to share more?
Haha, it is indeed really obscure and this is more of a philosophical test more than anything but it seems to be working rather well and I feel pretty content.
About the guy, he is a hockey player, very masculine, and is very charismatic. Me on the other hand, I am more effeminate and nerdy.
What got this idea of the two of us dating was when we were talking about the paradox of love and Cartesian dualism (separation of body and mind) even though it is a bit outdated. We both wondered how stupid it is that two sexes, both completely different, have little in common, and constantly say horrible things about one another are attracted to each other and still want emotional support.
And thinking back to an excuse guys sometimes make to justify their habit of sleeping around by saying "There is emotional love and physical love" I decided to use that statement as a way to see if a same-sex relationship would work by separating sex and love together.
I personally like to think of this as a "fuck you" to evolution to some extent.
I would write more, but I am really tired right now and I do not want to name drop.
I do think same sex emotional devotion and heterosexual physical activity seems to be the way to go with relationships, but I would have to agree with Sartre that it would not work because love is largely about power. And another thing as well, most homosexual relationships I have witness and experienced are just as fucked up and frustrating as heterosexual ones...
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
I got no words for how horrible that sounds what that girl did to you, uncalled for cruelness like this disgusts me.
Also, good you stuck up for yourself, maybe it couldnt been handled better, but sometimes in the "great modern society" some people never get what they deserve, much respect to you. Try to leave it behind you tho, your not a monster by any account, i dont even know the guy and i dont think bad of you for it.
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On February 18 2013 16:52 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:41 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 16:36 Shiragaku wrote:On February 18 2013 16:23 sths wrote:
you know Samsung and Shady you guys should just turn gay and marry each other. You obviously are on the same wavelength. You both have impressive abilities with words. Both are 2nd gen Chinese in the states. Both hint at battle scars dueling with the booby monsters.
Its quite a shame that you guys share the same gender, kind of like starcrossed lovers. I am in a similar situation right now. I am dating a guy who was so fed up with women that he eventually gave up on dating women altogether and going out with me. How the relationship works is that he could seek whatever sexual pleasure he wished from women while devoting himself emotionally to me. Of course we have our disagreements which made things all the more interesting. We both advocate sexual liberation but he is quite the sexist while I hold the opposing view. Opposites sure attract <3 LOL no thanks! Shady seems like a swell guy, but I'm very into chicks, emotional torture included. I sort of like the agony. Shiragaku, your relationship sounds pretty nutty. Care to share more? Haha, it is indeed really obscure and this is more of a philosophical test more than anything but it seems to be working rather well and I feel pretty content. About the guy, he is a hockey player, very masculine, and is very charismatic. Me on the other hand, I am more effeminate and nerdy. What got this idea of the two of us dating was when we were talking about the paradox of love and Cartesian dualism (separation of body and mind) even though it is a bit outdated. We both wondered how stupid it is that two sexes, both completely different, have little in common, and constantly say horrible things about one another are attracted to each other and still want emotional support. And thinking back to an excuse guys sometimes make to justify their habit of sleeping around by saying "There is emotional love and physical love" I decided to use that statement as a way to see if a same-sex relationship would work by separating sex and love together. I personally like to think of this as a "fuck you" to evolution to some extent. I would write more, but I am really tired right now and I do not want to name drop. I do think same sex emotional devotion and heterosexual physical activity seems to be the way to go with relationships, but I would have to agree with Sartre that it would not work because love is largely about power. And another thing as well, most homosexual relationships I have witness and experienced are just as fucked up and frustrating as heterosexual ones...
Reminded me of this:
[Gore] Vidal had affairs with both men and women. The novelist Anaïs Nin claimed an involvement with Vidal in her memoir The Diary of Anaïs Nin but Vidal denied it in his memoir Palimpsest. Vidal also discussed having dalliances with people such as actress Diana Lynn, and alluded to the possibility that he may have a daughter.[84] He was briefly engaged to Joanne Woodward, before she married Paul Newman; after eloping, the couple shared a house with Vidal in Los Angeles for a short time. In 1950, he met his long-term partner Howard Austen.[85] Vidal once reported that the secret to his lengthy relationship with Austen was that they did not have sex with each other: "It's easy to sustain a relationship when sex plays no part & impossible, I have observed, when it does."[86]
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Oh Gore Vidal...I never did as much research into him as I would have liked since most of the literature I read tend to be Russian and Japanese
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I have personally never encountered a really 'fucked up' girl. People are talking as if they are fickle creatures whose actions make no sense but they mostly make sense to me. Just like boys, a certain proportion are too mentally immature for relationships; and a certain proportion have psychological issues. But when you take them out, the reasons for leaving men are usually similar to the reasons men leave women. What matters, when associating with girls or boys, is judgment of character.
Needless to say, I basically don't think you should take any collection of experiences from Middle School/ High School/ College and use them to judge an entire gender.
Also, many people are making out here like boys are the virtuous gender and girls the insane one. If this were a girl-dominated forum, it would be a bunch of people complaining about how boys are all sociopathic, egomaniacal serial cheaters. People tend to let their negative experiences smother their good in interpersonal relationships.
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On February 18 2013 17:52 sc4k wrote:
I have personally never encountered a really 'fucked up' girl. People are talking as if they are fickle creatures whose actions make no sense but they mostly make sense to me. Just like boys, a certain proportion are too mentally immature for relationships; and a certain proportion have psychological issues. But when you take them out, the reasons for leaving men are usually similar to the reasons men leave women. What matters, when associating with girls or boys, is judgment of character.
Needless to say, I basically don't think you should take any collection of experiences from Middle School/ High School/ College and use them to judge an entire gender.
Also, many people are making out here like boys are the virtuous gender and girls the insane one. If this were a girl-dominated forum, it would be a bunch of people complaining about how boys are all sociopathic, egomaniacal serial cheaters. People tend to let their negative experiences smother their good in interpersonal relationships.
We are not talking about girls in general. The thread title explains everything, and most people on this forum are male. There are girls who fuck people over but people learn and move past them.
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On February 18 2013 17:12 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... I got no words for how horrible that sounds what that girl did to you, uncalled for cruelness like this disgusts me. Also, good you stuck up for yourself, maybe it couldnt been handled better, but sometimes in the "great modern society" some people never get what they deserve, much respect to you. Try to leave it behind you tho, your not a monster by any account, i dont even know the guy and i dont think bad of you for it.
Good on you for making sure that fucker got what he deserved. You should feel no guilt for what you did.
I wish you the best of luck in the future.
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On February 17 2013 01:17 aTnClouD wrote:
Last girlfriend I had and I was in love with, once she realized what I felt for her, totally lost her attraction and told me I was not at her level and insulted me in both direct and subtle ways for the next 3 weeks while still giving me the feeling that we could get back together, just to have fun. I'm never going to be able to trust a girl with my feelings again after this (which I consider positive after all).
Welcome to the club.. seems like as long as you pretend not to be that seriously interested it makes you 10 times more attractive. Short story, its just a few weeks ago there was this girl, she was so hot and we had sex et cetera. The days after she asked me many times if I like her and so on.. we had these silly talks of two retarded lovers.. I always gave her the impression that I like her while trying to reserve my strong feelings. However on that one day I was so high that I told her how much I love her, it just came out of my mouth reflexively. As a result I felt more and more that she lost the interest and we stopped dating. I was wondering.. is it the missing self-esteem of someone which can no longer be compensated through a truely and seriously commiting partner? The situation felt so senseless to me.. made me really sad
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Seeing this thread after experiencing a very bad breakup this weekend ill post my story here aswell to process it a bit.
Please keep it civilised, i do not want to start any religious discussions of the sort.
We Met
May 2010, i was 24 and she was 19. She was my first serious girlfriend ever and she worked at the same place as my mother. She got my emailadress from my mom and we started mailing and chatting for almost a month. She had been in 2 relationships before which ended pretty badly. But she saw me as a well educated and smart guy who was more on the same level with her. We agreed on a date, and i cooked a nice meal for her. It was not love on first sight, but even so we dated the night after that again and we fell in love.
Relationship
We had known from the start that our different views on religion might be a problem, i was pretty much atheist at the time and she was a devout christian. We talked alot about this and i was forced to make a choice to stay with her and share this with her or leave her. At the time i could not make the decision to leave and i stayed with her, hoping i could change and take our relationship further. After some time i also found out that because of her previous relationships and problems with her parents she was also emotionally unstable at times. There where times where she would suddenly be depressed and cry about our relationship, how i was to 'cold' towards religion in her eyes. I was always there for her and tried to comfort her and discuss how we are both different persons and i cannot be the same as her. This was hard at times but i learned to cope with this and be there for her and comfort her. Even so we really loved eachother and where not planning to give our relationship up because of this difference. After a while we started to have conversations about marrying, kids and serious stuff like that. I had recently gotten a job and started earning money. Even so i was not ready to take it to the next level yet, marrying a girl that was emotionally unstable was really scary for me. Especially since my parents divorced aswell and have experienced much distress in my younger years because of that. So we went on for about a year where she would often ask me when i would ask her to marry her. She would even tell this to all her girlfriends. It even got so bad where she would actually set a deadline where i should marry her. I did not budge to this the first time and we had a big fight because of this. Even so, i did ask her to marry me eventually because i loved her and i made the decision to be with her and support her and religion aswell troughout our lives. So from this point onwards we where engaged and times where great for a while. Previous to the engagement i also bought a house which we picked together to live in the future. The house needed alot of rework but it would fit our needs and also for any kids we might have had. Keep in mind that because she was religious and held on to her beliefs she didnt live with me yet until marriage. Also we did not have sex the entire relationship, which was pretty damn hard at times. And i cant believe i actually did this. Even tho we went further then just making out.
Trouble Starts
Last New Years we did not have any plans yet and we decided we did not want to stay at home by ourselves. So i rented a hotel room in Koln and we went there for New Years to watch fireworks and be away from home for a bit. She was however ill, but still wanted to leave when i proposed we did not have to go. So we went, but it was a depressing ordeal, she had been a bit depressed over christmas holidays and being ill now on a trip out wasnt doing well for me either. We did not even stay to watch the fireworks at midnight because she was feeling bad and we went back to the hotel. Two days later when i came back from the first day of work, she was there at my place. And she dropped the bomb on me, she had had alot of doubts again of our relationship, how i was not religous enough in her eyes and was dead and lifeless. She wanted to stay apart for a month to work on ourselves. Now troughout our relationship i went with her to church, did courses there and went to a christian marriage course aswell. So i did for my idea all i could, and perhaps even went to far, to do things i wasnt comfortable with yet. But yet it seemed for her it was never enough. I still played games, even tho i had limited that to 2 nights a week, which we did in agreement. And i was working on more social relationships, i only have one group of friends (which kinda is a geeky group aswell so she didnt really fit in). I guess this and the religion thing combined with her being emotinally unstable set things off.
Break up
So she was gone for almost 6 weeks, 6 weeks where i told her that she needed to make a choice. Between me and the potential i have, or to choose to live without me. Because i could not stand her undecisiveness any longer. And i was tired of trying to live up to her standards in religion aswell. So quite recently we started chatting again and texting, she was actually giving off signals that she would come back. Even tho i was not quite sure of if i wanted to get back i wanted to give it another chance, because i loved her immensely. Being together for 2 and a half years perhaps makes you blind, but you cannot erase feelings of love. So after 6 weeks we met again, she said she wanted to meet in a neutral place to talk about stuff. Foolish as i was i did not pick up on this, and we met. I picked her up and we drove to a forest to have a walk. She was a bit distant and not very talkative. But i guess i was a bit aswell, we had not seen eachother for 6 weeks. I tried to make her feel at ease and we talked about what we where doing now etcetera. So we went to a nice place in the forest and found a bench. We sat there for 20 minutes not talking just cuddling, She then said she wanted to read something to me and picked up a diary of sorts where she collected her thoughts over the last weeks. She read for over an half an hour of her struggles with religion and how she was missing me. Then at the end she said that she wanted to find happiness with God first before me, and had to break up with me. It took a while before it hit me, it pretty much busted my heart. Somehow i could not find the emotion to cry, instead we just walked back to the car barely talking. I dropped her off and we said goodbye. I pretty much had a breakdown after i was home, thank god my parents where there for me.
So yea, that is my story. Even tho it has not ended yet... i do not have much hope for the future with her. She texted me later that she still hopes we will be together in the future. But she wants changes to happen, and i cannot give this to her, even if i wanted to, i do not know how to live up to her standards. Having tried this for almost 3 years. But this is an experience i do not wish to anyone and it broke my heart and left deep scars...
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On February 16 2013 23:32 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... either youre trying too hard or youre a real douche... oh and this thread is about breakups not how badass you wish you were(btw you really should change your idea of badassery)
whoops i was thinking the exact same
soulmate here
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also guys you dont have to mention how hot ur ex was.
who would sleep with someone he finds unattractive anyway?
that you think you need to tell us about it in the first place already makes some of us think u guys have to compensate something and got low self-esteem and therefore we doubt she was anything above average
dont act tough when u actually got dumped - please
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On February 18 2013 22:16 Kater wrote:
also guys you dont have to mention how hot ur ex was.
who would sleep with someone he finds unattractive anyway?
that you think you need to tell us about it in the first place already makes some of us think u guys have to compensate something and got low self-esteem and therefore we doubt she was anything above average
dont act tough when u actually got dumped - please
If you know nothing about something, then that what you think or what you pretend to know about it says more about yourself than any other person
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On February 18 2013 21:25 Demoric wrote:
snip...
I have a personal rule not to engage myself with religious girls (or ppl overall but especially girls).
On the plusside, being in a relationship with a devout religious girl, you don't have to worry about getting cheated on. Except with god ofc.
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So I have liked this girl from school for some time. At first she didn't really notice me, but after about a month, when I've worked up my courage and finally said Hi, we've became "friends". Sort of. She said she liked me, but she wanted to take it slow. She was super hot too, a living embodiment of beauty, or so I thought. So we went on dates, I bought her stuff, but because she wanted to, we were taking it slow. After a few months of this, I pressured her into a more intimate relationship. Then she told me that she's been interested in someone else, and that she sees me as a great friend, and doesn't want to screw it up. So she made it clear that she had no romantic feelings towards me (EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SHE DID AT THE START), so I thought for a few minutes, then decided to go along with it. I said yeah sure, let's be friends.
So, we stayed friends for over 2 years. I made it my best effort to still charm and flirt with her as much as possible, as non-responsive as she may be. I watched her get dumped by 2 guys, and offered my shoulder for her to cry on.
So after the 3rd guy dumped her (like i said, she was smoking hot, so I can only assume she attracts all sorts of assholes), she had enough. She said that she wanted me more than just a friend now. Unfiendzoned, right?
I said I'll think about it.
I lead her on for a couple of days.
Then the big day had come.
I booked an expensive restaurant, and even rented a limo to take us there, i bought her flowers and a box of chocolates.
As we sat there at the restaurant, she asked me that question again. She asked me if i came to a decision.
And looking at her, how beautiful she was, it took me so much will that i never thought i had in me. I've had half a mind to back out, but i decided to go through with it.
I took her hand, looked her in the eyes, smiled an apologetic smile, and said (surprisingly calmly)
'I just want to be friends. I don't have any romantic feelings for you.'
So after she pleaded for a while, she said fine, she was content with being friends.
I took her hands out of mine, and said 'On the second thought, I changed my mind'.
I let her play with the thought a little, then stood up and said 'I don't want to be friends. Goodbye'.
I left her there.
That was 5 years ago. But I have no regrets. Every once in a while I think back to it, and it still feels good.
I know I probably seem like a complete asshole to you, but come on. She had it coming.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2013 21:25 Demoric wrote:
Seeing this thread after experiencing a very bad breakup this weekend ill post my story here aswell to process it a bit.
Please keep it civilised, i do not want to start any religious discussions of the sort.
We Met
May 2010, i was 24 and she was 19. She was my first serious girlfriend ever and she worked at the same place as my mother. She got my emailadress from my mom and we started mailing and chatting for almost a month. She had been in 2 relationships before which ended pretty badly. But she saw me as a well educated and smart guy who was more on the same level with her. We agreed on a date, and i cooked a nice meal for her. It was not love on first sight, but even so we dated the night after that again and we fell in love.
Relationship
We had known from the start that our different views on religion might be a problem, i was pretty much atheist at the time and she was a devout christian. We talked alot about this and i was forced to make a choice to stay with her and share this with her or leave her. At the time i could not make the decision to leave and i stayed with her, hoping i could change and take our relationship further. After some time i also found out that because of her previous relationships and problems with her parents she was also emotionally unstable at times. There where times where she would suddenly be depressed and cry about our relationship, how i was to 'cold' towards religion in her eyes. I was always there for her and tried to comfort her and discuss how we are both different persons and i cannot be the same as her. This was hard at times but i learned to cope with this and be there for her and comfort her. Even so we really loved eachother and where not planning to give our relationship up because of this difference. After a while we started to have conversations about marrying, kids and serious stuff like that. I had recently gotten a job and started earning money. Even so i was not ready to take it to the next level yet, marrying a girl that was emotionally unstable was really scary for me. Especially since my parents divorced aswell and have experienced much distress in my younger years because of that. So we went on for about a year where she would often ask me when i would ask her to marry her. She would even tell this to all her girlfriends. It even got so bad where she would actually set a deadline where i should marry her. I did not budge to this the first time and we had a big fight because of this. Even so, i did ask her to marry me eventually because i loved her and i made the decision to be with her and support her and religion aswell troughout our lives. So from this point onwards we where engaged and times where great for a while. Previous to the engagement i also bought a house which we picked together to live in the future. The house needed alot of rework but it would fit our needs and also for any kids we might have had. Keep in mind that because she was religious and held on to her beliefs she didnt live with me yet until marriage. Also we did not have sex the entire relationship, which was pretty damn hard at times. And i cant believe i actually did this. Even tho we went further then just making out.
Trouble Starts
Last New Years we did not have any plans yet and we decided we did not want to stay at home by ourselves. So i rented a hotel room in Koln and we went there for New Years to watch fireworks and be away from home for a bit. She was however ill, but still wanted to leave when i proposed we did not have to go. So we went, but it was a depressing ordeal, she had been a bit depressed over christmas holidays and being ill now on a trip out wasnt doing well for me either. We did not even stay to watch the fireworks at midnight because she was feeling bad and we went back to the hotel. Two days later when i came back from the first day of work, she was there at my place. And she dropped the bomb on me, she had had alot of doubts again of our relationship, how i was not religous enough in her eyes and was dead and lifeless. She wanted to stay apart for a month to work on ourselves. Now troughout our relationship i went with her to church, did courses there and went to a christian marriage course aswell. So i did for my idea all i could, and perhaps even went to far, to do things i wasnt comfortable with yet. But yet it seemed for her it was never enough. I still played games, even tho i had limited that to 2 nights a week, which we did in agreement. And i was working on more social relationships, i only have one group of friends (which kinda is a geeky group aswell so she didnt really fit in). I guess this and the religion thing combined with her being emotinally unstable set things off.
Break up
So she was gone for almost 6 weeks, 6 weeks where i told her that she needed to make a choice. Between me and the potential i have, or to choose to live without me. Because i could not stand her undecisiveness any longer. And i was tired of trying to live up to her standards in religion aswell. So quite recently we started chatting again and texting, she was actually giving off signals that she would come back. Even tho i was not quite sure of if i wanted to get back i wanted to give it another chance, because i loved her immensely. Being together for 2 and a half years perhaps makes you blind, but you cannot erase feelings of love. So after 6 weeks we met again, she said she wanted to meet in a neutral place to talk about stuff. Foolish as i was i did not pick up on this, and we met. I picked her up and we drove to a forest to have a walk. She was a bit distant and not very talkative. But i guess i was a bit aswell, we had not seen eachother for 6 weeks. I tried to make her feel at ease and we talked about what we where doing now etcetera. So we went to a nice place in the forest and found a bench. We sat there for 20 minutes not talking just cuddling, She then said she wanted to read something to me and picked up a diary of sorts where she collected her thoughts over the last weeks. She read for over an half an hour of her struggles with religion and how she was missing me. Then at the end she said that she wanted to find happiness with God first before me, and had to break up with me. It took a while before it hit me, it pretty much busted my heart. Somehow i could not find the emotion to cry, instead we just walked back to the car barely talking. I dropped her off and we said goodbye. I pretty much had a breakdown after i was home, thank god my parents where there for me.
So yea, that is my story. Even tho it has not ended yet... i do not have much hope for the future with her. She texted me later that she still hopes we will be together in the future. But she wants changes to happen, and i cannot give this to her, even if i wanted to, i do not know how to live up to her standards. Having tried this for almost 3 years. But this is an experience i do not wish to anyone and it broke my heart and left deep scars...
Dude... the fuck...
You've changed yourself way, way too much for this girl.
OT: I was at a New Year's Eve party a few years back and this girl broke up with her boyfriend of like 6 years a few minutes before the New Year. The guy spent the next half-hour throwing up outside. That was pretty rough.
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On February 19 2013 00:08 GhostLink wrote:
So I have liked this girl from school for some time. At first she didn't really notice me, but after about a month, when I've worked up my courage and finally said Hi, we've became "friends". Sort of. She said she liked me, but she wanted to take it slow. She was super hot too, a living embodiment of beauty, or so I thought. So we went on dates, I bought her stuff, but because she wanted to, we were taking it slow. After a few months of this, I pressured her into a more intimate relationship. Then she told me that she's been interested in someone else, and that she sees me as a great friend, and doesn't want to screw it up. So she made it clear that she had no romantic feelings towards me (EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SHE DID AT THE START), so I thought for a few minutes, then decided to go along with it. I said yeah sure, let's be friends.
So, we stayed friends for over 2 years. I made it my best effort to still charm and flirt with her as much as possible, as non-responsive as she may be. I watched her get dumped by 2 guys, and offered my shoulder for her to cry on.
So after the 3rd guy dumped her (like i said, she was smoking hot, so I can only assume she attracts all sorts of assholes), she had enough. She said that she wanted me more than just a friend now. Unfiendzoned, right?
I said I'll think about it.
I lead her on for a couple of days.
Then the big day had come.
I booked an expensive restaurant, and even rented a limo to take us there, i bought her flowers and a box of chocolates.
As we sat there at the restaurant, she asked me that question again. She asked me if i came to a decision.
And looking at her, how beautiful she was, it took me so much will that i never thought i had in me. I've had half a mind to back out, but i decided to go through with it.
I took her hand, looked her in the eyes, smiled an apologetic smile, and said (surprisingly calmly)
'I just want to be friends. I don't have any romantic feelings for you.'
So after she pleaded for a while, she said fine, she was content with being friends.
I took her hands out of mine, and said 'On the second thought, I changed my mind'.
I let her play with the thought a little, then stood up and said 'I don't want to be friends. Goodbye'.
I left her there.
That was 5 years ago. But I have no regrets. Every once in a while I think back to it, and it still feels good.
I know I probably seem like a complete asshole to you, but come on. She had it coming.
Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here....
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On February 18 2013 15:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 15:14 SamsungStar wrote:
These are not the pretty girl, graveyard lays. These are the fucking wildcats who are down for the most horrible, degrading, depraved acts your male mind could possibly conjure up. Not only are they down for it, they are eager. Time in bed is not about love and sharing and tenderness. It is about hair-pulling, leg-trembling, face-slapping, ass-tonguing, mind-blowing carnal fucking carnage. These are the girls who ride you like you're the last roller coaster on earth, the ones who pull on their fishnets slow as the shifting of a tectonic plate while staring into the depths of your soul to see if there is enough man hiding in there to satisfy them. They're the ones who wake you up in the middle of the night with a drop of sizzling hot wax on your forehead, laugh as you scream WTF, and then shove you back down onto the bed as they do a slow, wet split onto your manhood. You can have all that in a loving committed relationship too.
I can attest to this ^_^
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Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here....
I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good.
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On February 19 2013 00:21 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:08 GhostLink wrote:
So I have liked this girl from school for some time. At first she didn't really notice me, but after about a month, when I've worked up my courage and finally said Hi, we've became "friends". Sort of. She said she liked me, but she wanted to take it slow. She was super hot too, a living embodiment of beauty, or so I thought. So we went on dates, I bought her stuff, but because she wanted to, we were taking it slow. After a few months of this, I pressured her into a more intimate relationship. Then she told me that she's been interested in someone else, and that she sees me as a great friend, and doesn't want to screw it up. So she made it clear that she had no romantic feelings towards me (EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SHE DID AT THE START), so I thought for a few minutes, then decided to go along with it. I said yeah sure, let's be friends.
So, we stayed friends for over 2 years. I made it my best effort to still charm and flirt with her as much as possible, as non-responsive as she may be. I watched her get dumped by 2 guys, and offered my shoulder for her to cry on.
So after the 3rd guy dumped her (like i said, she was smoking hot, so I can only assume she attracts all sorts of assholes), she had enough. She said that she wanted me more than just a friend now. Unfiendzoned, right?
I said I'll think about it.
I lead her on for a couple of days.
Then the big day had come.
I booked an expensive restaurant, and even rented a limo to take us there, i bought her flowers and a box of chocolates.
As we sat there at the restaurant, she asked me that question again. She asked me if i came to a decision.
And looking at her, how beautiful she was, it took me so much will that i never thought i had in me. I've had half a mind to back out, but i decided to go through with it.
I took her hand, looked her in the eyes, smiled an apologetic smile, and said (surprisingly calmly)
'I just want to be friends. I don't have any romantic feelings for you.'
So after she pleaded for a while, she said fine, she was content with being friends.
I took her hands out of mine, and said 'On the second thought, I changed my mind'.
I let her play with the thought a little, then stood up and said 'I don't want to be friends. Goodbye'.
I left her there.
That was 5 years ago. But I have no regrets. Every once in a while I think back to it, and it still feels good.
I know I probably seem like a complete asshole to you, but come on. She had it coming. Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what? Something doesn't add up here....
Pretty much my thoughts. Anyways it wouldn't had worked, since he obviously had resentment against her, and normally there is no coming back from there.
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Boyfriend of my cousin shot himself before her in their Flat after they had a fight...
Doesn't get worse than that, does it?
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On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good.
I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here .
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On February 18 2013 23:40 TOCHMY wrote:I have a personal rule not to engage myself with religious girls (or ppl overall but especially girls). On the plusside, being in a relationship with a devout religious girl, you don't have to worry about getting cheated on. Except with god ofc.
What a load of bull. The most devout couple I ever met, he was screwing someone else. The religious part of it was that he admitted to it and asked to be prayed for.
I got to know quite a few of devout Christians, they come in in two types imho. The ones that are actually living their faith, as in calling their conscience/gut feeling 'the holy spirit' and finding joy in their lives, while keeping an open mind. The second type is very dogmatic, secretly feels superior to the rest of the world and any sane person finds them batshit crazy. The latter ones outnumbered the first ones by quite a bit. I would possibly consider dating one of the 'happy' type.
Worst 'breakup' for me: Around 3rd month of casual dating, getting a sms that she 'has been thinking' and 'wants to stay friends'. I'm pretty sure I would not have lived up to her (Chinese) parents' expectations and thus she did not want to take the plunge.
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On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here .
I don't think she got her shit back together, it's more like she had to settle for her fall back plan.
I have a friend who went to see his girlfriend who was studying in another city on his birthday, and the girl dumped him during dinner, apparently completely forgotten it was his birthday.
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I would never trust to be in a relationship with a religious person. Not to make this a rant against religion, but believing in God is not exactly rational and this might mean there could be a pattern of irrationality.
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On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here .
I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues.
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On February 19 2013 00:49 Grumbels wrote:
I would never trust to be in a relationship with a religious person. Not to make this a rant against religion, but believing in God is not exactly rational and this might mean there could be a pattern of irrationality.
-.- .... Women are already irrational. Being religious isn't going to strengthen that. If anything, it's going to make her not want to cheat on you.
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On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues.
You did good, Ghostlink. I fully agree with your logic. A lesser man would have caved in. You taught her a valuable lesson, hopefully she took it to heart.
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On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues.
It's funny how you keep talking about other guys beeing assholes while the only asshole in this story we know about for certain is you :D
Also this whole revenge thing... Are you 16 or something? lol
So you wasted 2 years for what exactly? Imo you should think about therapy or something, gl anyway
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On February 19 2013 00:58 nRoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues. It's funny how you keep talking about other guys beeing assholes while the only asshole in this story we know about for certain is you :D Also this whole revenge thing... Are you 16 or something? lol So you wasted 2 years for what exactly? Imo you should think about therapy or something, gl anyway
Anyone who dates a girl you like is an asshole in your eyes, even if he's a perfect gentleman.
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On February 19 2013 00:49 Grumbels wrote:
I would never trust to be in a relationship with a religious person. Not to make this a rant against religion, but believing in God is not exactly rational and this might mean there could be a pattern of irrationality.
As much as atheist i am. I believe they have the right to chose there belief, I would be content to have a religous GF but not to the extent where everything goes before god, in moderation yes of course. Just matter there extent of dedication (i know thats not the right word but brain has went numb)
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On February 19 2013 00:58 nRoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues. It's funny how you keep talking about other guys beeing assholes while the only asshole in this story we know about for certain is you :D Also this whole revenge thing... Are you 16 or something? lol So you wasted 2 years for what exactly? Imo you should think about therapy or something, gl anyway
I agree that revenge is kind of silly, but I don't see how taking the girl would work out in anyway. Maybe he should moved on 2 years earlier and get over it, but meh.
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
As someone who was bullied through middle school and high school, when I read that you beat him, I felt happiness. Mostly because justice seem to have been served, which is something that I never got.
Anyways, what happened is truly terrible, but I'm glad that you got back at him, which is something that I too, should have done.
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On February 19 2013 01:18 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:58 nRoot wrote:On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues. It's funny how you keep talking about other guys beeing assholes while the only asshole in this story we know about for certain is you :D Also this whole revenge thing... Are you 16 or something? lol So you wasted 2 years for what exactly? Imo you should think about therapy or something, gl anyway I agree that revenge is kind of silly, but I don't see how taking the girl would work out in anyway. Maybe he should moved on 2 years earlier and get over it, but meh.
Who talked about' taking the girl' ? Just be a grown up about it and move on, this is just stupid and tells more about him than anything else
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I have a friend who broke up with his girlfriend after a long night of arguing. They lived in the same apartment, so neither person had a place to go to get away from eachother, and her immediate reaction was to consume as much alcohol/drugs as she possibly could, and then lay into my buddy again. She ended up having an emotional freakout and walked out into the street, down to a bridge that's about 30 feet above a low river, and jumped. She broke her leg and had a massive gash on her forehead. This was right in the beginning of winter too, so it was pretty cold outside. The screams she was making from the river (which was a foot or two deep at most) as we were attempting to get her out while rescue personnel were on the way will be something I won't ever forget. That's the worst breakup I've ever seen.
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lol i got warned for sympathising with one of the people who told their stories and was told to "think about my life"
are you fucking kidding me. dunno who tl mods think they are that they can just tell someone to think about how they want to live their own life.
the story teller got sent to hospital. multiple ribs broken etc etc. beat up to the point of near death. if i had a chance id return the favour, regardless of what the possible outcome might be. dunno whats so unfair about that
User was temp banned for this post.
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This thread is a gold mine.+ Show Spoiler + Insert Samsung quote here (ye did good lad)
I was invited to go to a haunted forest with a good friend of mine and his gf and her friend. Well his "girlfriend" had been texting me like non stop for the past 3 months even though I told her to chill it out. I told my friend but he didn't do anything about (not that I no of)
So back to the haunted forest, im having a good time, my mates girl friend and her friend are pretty nice and my friend seems to be having a good time too.
Fast forward to the drive home.
I was sitting in the back next the girlfriend and her friend their talking and stuff, and my friend is sitting in shotgun seat. The girlfriend keeps on talking to me and out of nowhere the girl friend texts me,
Texts
+ Show Spoiler +
gf: Srry to bother you even when im 2 feet away, but you saw them holding hands right?
me: Yea. I think your friend had taking. A liking to ***** #2feetaway
gf: I think I might break up with him. That's why i'm so quiet.
me: akwarrrrdd
gf: ya.... sorry for bothering you
me: np
gf: I don't want to hurt ***** but he's gonna deny it or pull away. It's happened before but i let it slide.
me: just talk to him le draw le lines.
gf: I can't stand it.
me: you get out what you put in. Le try
gf: true... le try?
me: le try.
gf: and that means...
me: work!!!
gf: :'(
me: le unhappy face
tl dr: gf breaks up with a good friend of mine, IN THE CAR WITH HIM, after he took her to a place an hour and half drive away and basically act like nothings happened.
Aftermath
The ex then goes back to texting me. Since I didn't really want anything to do with her, ( am I an awful person?) I ignore her. well i'm hanging at my friend's house and lo and behold she texts me. my friend picks up my phone and realizes she texting me. I tell him that I don't want to talk to her and if he wants to text her on my phone then he can do so. Need less to say he does. She stops texting me for a few months and just recently began texting me again. Well, I will have nothing to do with it and continue my vow of silence. I hope to god and all things holy that I don't run in to her. That'd be so bad man.
tl dr: ignoring the ex, gave friend phone to text her blah blah blah.
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Seeing a lot of these stories leads me to think: What would you guys classify as a good breakup?
And vigilantism is pretty terrible, however much you feel the guy deserves it. The question you all failed to ask was why in the world the other guy was not the one who had to stand trial...
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On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here .
It is just in hollywood movies that a hot girl that only dates hot douches settles for good for a decent man that she didn't want at first.
It wouldn't have lasted for sure. You could have had some good times, but it's sure she would have rejected you at some point. Don't be that guy that accepts everything (that a girl who knows you are attracted to her tell you all about her boyfriends, then wants to be closer to you when she has nothing else to do) just because a girl is hot.
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I've never had a break-up, as i've never had a girlfriend, only like, one night thingy's.
and im 18, feel kind of pathetic lol
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On February 19 2013 01:59 Garfailed wrote:
I've never had a break-up, as i've never had a girlfriend, only like, one night thingy's.
and im 18, feel kind of pathetic lol
Don't worry dude, you're still young. You got several years to hit up places and talk to girls. If they reject you, you'll likely not see them again and find new ones.
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On February 19 2013 01:59 Garfailed wrote:
I've never had a break-up, as i've never had a girlfriend, only like, one night thingy's.
and im 18, feel kind of pathetic lol
Yeah... like the gu above said that's not a bad thing...
You can see just from this thread that this shit can make you as happy as it can make you unhappy and in the extreme break you.
Eventually it'll happen, just gotta work for it and have a bit of luck...
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
Those people are fucking disgusting.
I'm happy you knocked the guy in a wheelchair, payback is a bitch. The girl didn't get what she deserves yet but karma will catch up to her eventually.
I don't know you but I'm fucking proud of you.
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On February 19 2013 02:50 baba1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Those people are fucking disgusting. I'm happy you knocked the guy in a wheelchair, payback is a bitch. The girl didn't get what she deserves yet but karma will catch up to her eventually. I don't know you but I'm fucking proud of you.
my exact thoughts.
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i was in a pizzeria called lenny's once and this ~40 white woman starts yelling on her cell phone. she clearly just found out her husband was having an affair on her. it was a while ago but i do remember her yelling she was going to divorce him. place was really loud and noisy and packed but everyone shut up when she started yelling, and she didn't stop. it was like 50 people in a room all watching one person's life crumble apart. pretty crazy.
yeah i hate the popular kids
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On February 19 2013 02:53 amaDeus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 02:50 baba1 wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Those people are fucking disgusting. I'm happy you knocked the guy in a wheelchair, payback is a bitch. The girl didn't get what she deserves yet but karma will catch up to her eventually. I don't know you but I'm fucking proud of you. my exact thoughts.
Holy shit dude, I can't believe that happened to you. It's almost like something you only see in a really fucked up movie. Can't say you are in the wrong for putting that asshole in a wheelchair, you could have ended up the same to begin with. Good on you man, pull yourself together and be proud of yourself. There are fucked up people everywhere and you did what you had to do.
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On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done...
I don't like to advocate violence but I have to be honest: The bully got what he deserved.
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I think this big story has made every teenage or adult feel emotionally attached.
So FREE HUGS
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On February 19 2013 03:17 Prevolved wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 02:53 amaDeus wrote:On February 19 2013 02:50 baba1 wrote:On February 18 2013 13:22 SolidMotion wrote:
Enter my fucked up story:
So my first experience ever falling for a girl was when I was 16... I wasn't nerdy but I had some of the best grades in my year, wasn't awful at sports either, just didn't excel at them, look wise I'd say slightly above average but nothing special. So i meet this girl at the beginning of the year who's new to town and I just have "the love on first sight" kinda thing, and I had never experienced that before. She wasn't insanely beautiful or anything either but everytime she smilled it just sparked something in me that I couldn't explain and I just wanted to be with her. Fate, being as funny as it is, also decided that she was going to be in almost all my classes. In hindsight, I probably was the first guy that talked to her at the school. Anyway... moving on.
So the first few months of the school year pass everything is going great, we're really good friends at that point as well... Fate strikes again but this time in a terrible way: both of her parents die in a freak car accident during christmas break. School starts again and then she just turns into somewhat of a ball of hate from that point on, losing all her friends and people start looking at her as a weirdo. She deals a lot of painful emotional shit to me as well at this point but I just can't seem to bring myself to let her down and I keep trying and talking to her to see if I can help, like a good friend would right ?
So not too long after that I somehow manage to get to her and she realizes she's lost almost all her friends and that even after all of this I'm still the only one around... I don't want to stay around here too much but suffice to say we get together not long after this, being really grateful for all I've done and all of that... From that point on until the last two months of school, I'm basically in paradise, all is going well, my life is great... and best of all I finally someone with whom I feel like I can share anything... appearances then also indicate that seems to be mutual. Then shit starts hitting the fan...
So during that time we were dating she was doing well again and started getting more social, especially with the people that were considered to be the "populars". Now, the popular people from the year I was in were kind of fucked up, and I had heard stories about the weird "games" and notion of fun they had but had never really payed attention to it, and in hindsight since my gf starting hanging out with them, I really should have... Man, I really wish I had...
During that time she started changing as well, she was slowly becoming like them and the stuff she sometime would say scared me, we got into a few fights over that as well... So we hit a point where she decides we have to take a break while she thinks things out, I get really bummed out but being really in love I decide to stay calm and let her do it, the fights and that all happened within a week, that should have been my first warning sign...
During the next 2 weeks we don't talk much, and then she calls me out to meet her at a local restaurant during the week-end. That restaurant is in front of my school, right next to the school there was wood, the wood basically served as a barrier between my school and the college right next to it. Suffice to say it was big enough that people could go into it and not be seen from the outside. So we eat, she seems to be normal, or at least her last two months normal and we talk over, when we're done eating we decide to go for a walk in said wood, which we usually did. So we do that... Going on that walk was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, and in hindsight, I don't know if there was anything I could have done about it.
So when we enter the wood we keep walking and then she stops making sense at starts screaming at me, I don't really remember much of what it was about but an arguement started and that led to one of the worst moment of my existence... Out of nowhere someone hit me in the back of the head with something really heavy, don't even know what it was, all i know is that it was painful and I felt I was bleeding. I think I lost consciousness there for a bit. When I came back to a few moments later, don't know how long it was, I was seeing her laughing with all of her friends... they were these "popular kids", guys and girl alike were there, all just laughing and yelling shit at me. My ex then just starts kissing the guy that was holding a baseball bat, which is basically the guy who hit me... Turns out they'd been together for a while now and no one seemed to have told me... I felt like a fucking fool... I won't go much into what happened next because I don't think I can write it down without breaking down... I'll just end it at "I was lucky enough to fall unconscious pretty fast".
I woke up two weeks later in the hospital and was told I had suffered two skull fracture, all my ribs were broken and yadi yada that they pretty much didn't know how the fuck I made it out alive... Nice wake up call huh ?
I managed to get back to school on the 2nd week of the last month... My life was hell for the next two weeks... Everyone knew what happened, they even got away with it. No one would talk to me, they made sure of it. Her bf and his gang would wait for me at the end and beat me up for the fun of it, I was still healing at that point too, which made it extremely painful...
Last week of school comes and I'm basically about go mentally breakdown... Last gym class of the year comes... I happen to walk behind him while he's bending over in his locker... I had a baseball bat in my hands at that point and I just couldn't take it anymore... I flipped out and I started hitting him... He was down and not moving after two hits but I was just so scared he was going to get up and start beating the shit out of me... So I just kept swinging and swinging... Some people finally tried stopping me... apparently it took 3... I don't have much memory from there, probably my brain shutting it down in hindsight...
I got a case out of it, but the judge knew of what happened so thats all I got, I was allowed to take the end of year exams that were the week after but I was basically banned from that school and had to move out after that...
The only satisfaction I hold from all of this is that this guy is now stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of his life... Call me a monster but that's one of the only things that looking back makes me really happy...
I really feel like shit now, I don't even want to write the second story... it's just so much worst... I don't know what happened to her after that and the least I know the better... As I heard after that they had been dating for the last 2 months before that happened, making fun of me within their circle... I just hope I don't see her again because the actions I commit if I do might not end up being pleasant for her... The second accident pretty much fucked my life up so bad that I don't think shit can be worst than they are now anyway...
I'm done... Those people are fucking disgusting. I'm happy you knocked the guy in a wheelchair, payback is a bitch. The girl didn't get what she deserves yet but karma will catch up to her eventually. I don't know you but I'm fucking proud of you. my exact thoughts. Holy shit dude, I can't believe that happened to you. It's almost like something you only see in a really fucked up movie. Can't say you are in the wrong for putting that asshole in a wheelchair, you could have ended up the same to begin with. Good on you man, pull yourself together and be proud of yourself. There are fucked up people everywhere and you did what you had to do. User was warned for this post
you definitely did good - the man had it coming.
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On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues.
The mature thing to do is always give the other person the benefit of the doubt. Going the revenge route does not make you a better man, you are the one that is completing the cycle as well. Anyone could choose to be a dick in that kind of situation but it's harder to forgive and try to have a relationship. Unless it is your child you have no right to 'teach' another person a lesson. That kind of thinking is just lowering yourself to another level.
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Hahahahah I'm actually dying
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On February 18 2013 21:25 Demoric wrote:
Seeing this thread after experiencing a very bad breakup this weekend ill post my story here aswell to process it a bit.
Please keep it civilised, i do not want to start any religious discussions of the sort.
We Met
May 2010, i was 24 and she was 19. She was my first serious girlfriend ever and she worked at the same place as my mother. She got my emailadress from my mom and we started mailing and chatting for almost a month. She had been in 2 relationships before which ended pretty badly. But she saw me as a well educated and smart guy who was more on the same level with her. We agreed on a date, and i cooked a nice meal for her. It was not love on first sight, but even so we dated the night after that again and we fell in love.
Relationship
We had known from the start that our different views on religion might be a problem, i was pretty much atheist at the time and she was a devout christian. We talked alot about this and i was forced to make a choice to stay with her and share this with her or leave her. At the time i could not make the decision to leave and i stayed with her, hoping i could change and take our relationship further. After some time i also found out that because of her previous relationships and problems with her parents she was also emotionally unstable at times. There where times where she would suddenly be depressed and cry about our relationship, how i was to 'cold' towards religion in her eyes. I was always there for her and tried to comfort her and discuss how we are both different persons and i cannot be the same as her. This was hard at times but i learned to cope with this and be there for her and comfort her. Even so we really loved eachother and where not planning to give our relationship up because of this difference. After a while we started to have conversations about marrying, kids and serious stuff like that. I had recently gotten a job and started earning money. Even so i was not ready to take it to the next level yet, marrying a girl that was emotionally unstable was really scary for me. Especially since my parents divorced aswell and have experienced much distress in my younger years because of that. So we went on for about a year where she would often ask me when i would ask her to marry her. She would even tell this to all her girlfriends. It even got so bad where she would actually set a deadline where i should marry her. I did not budge to this the first time and we had a big fight because of this. Even so, i did ask her to marry me eventually because i loved her and i made the decision to be with her and support her and religion aswell troughout our lives. So from this point onwards we where engaged and times where great for a while. Previous to the engagement i also bought a house which we picked together to live in the future. The house needed alot of rework but it would fit our needs and also for any kids we might have had. Keep in mind that because she was religious and held on to her beliefs she didnt live with me yet until marriage. Also we did not have sex the entire relationship, which was pretty damn hard at times. And i cant believe i actually did this. Even tho we went further then just making out.
Trouble Starts
Last New Years we did not have any plans yet and we decided we did not want to stay at home by ourselves. So i rented a hotel room in Koln and we went there for New Years to watch fireworks and be away from home for a bit. She was however ill, but still wanted to leave when i proposed we did not have to go. So we went, but it was a depressing ordeal, she had been a bit depressed over christmas holidays and being ill now on a trip out wasnt doing well for me either. We did not even stay to watch the fireworks at midnight because she was feeling bad and we went back to the hotel. Two days later when i came back from the first day of work, she was there at my place. And she dropped the bomb on me, she had had alot of doubts again of our relationship, how i was not religous enough in her eyes and was dead and lifeless. She wanted to stay apart for a month to work on ourselves. Now troughout our relationship i went with her to church, did courses there and went to a christian marriage course aswell. So i did for my idea all i could, and perhaps even went to far, to do things i wasnt comfortable with yet. But yet it seemed for her it was never enough. I still played games, even tho i had limited that to 2 nights a week, which we did in agreement. And i was working on more social relationships, i only have one group of friends (which kinda is a geeky group aswell so she didnt really fit in). I guess this and the religion thing combined with her being emotinally unstable set things off.
Break up
So she was gone for almost 6 weeks, 6 weeks where i told her that she needed to make a choice. Between me and the potential i have, or to choose to live without me. Because i could not stand her undecisiveness any longer. And i was tired of trying to live up to her standards in religion aswell. So quite recently we started chatting again and texting, she was actually giving off signals that she would come back. Even tho i was not quite sure of if i wanted to get back i wanted to give it another chance, because i loved her immensely. Being together for 2 and a half years perhaps makes you blind, but you cannot erase feelings of love. So after 6 weeks we met again, she said she wanted to meet in a neutral place to talk about stuff. Foolish as i was i did not pick up on this, and we met. I picked her up and we drove to a forest to have a walk. She was a bit distant and not very talkative. But i guess i was a bit aswell, we had not seen eachother for 6 weeks. I tried to make her feel at ease and we talked about what we where doing now etcetera. So we went to a nice place in the forest and found a bench. We sat there for 20 minutes not talking just cuddling, She then said she wanted to read something to me and picked up a diary of sorts where she collected her thoughts over the last weeks. She read for over an half an hour of her struggles with religion and how she was missing me. Then at the end she said that she wanted to find happiness with God first before me, and had to break up with me. It took a while before it hit me, it pretty much busted my heart. Somehow i could not find the emotion to cry, instead we just walked back to the car barely talking. I dropped her off and we said goodbye. I pretty much had a breakdown after i was home, thank god my parents where there for me.
So yea, that is my story. Even tho it has not ended yet... i do not have much hope for the future with her. She texted me later that she still hopes we will be together in the future. But she wants changes to happen, and i cannot give this to her, even if i wanted to, i do not know how to live up to her standards. Having tried this for almost 3 years. But this is an experience i do not wish to anyone and it broke my heart and left deep scars...
I apologize if this is insensitive, but you're lucky it ended before you got in even deeper. I've been in your shoes (dating a devoutly religious girl while being an atheist myself) and I don't know of a single situation in which people have actually made that work. You need to realize that she probably grew up being fed a religious mindset from day one, and unless you can come to fully and truly believe the way she does, it's going to eat at you because you're going to be living a lie for her. It sounds to me like you did enough to please most religious people (when I was in your shoes, I ended up going to church one single time and that was all I could take), and I sincerely think you're better off now because you can (eventually) look for someone who has moral and spiritual views more in line with your own. Differing religious views are one of the absolute hardest things to overcome in a relationship, and if the other person is truly devout, you're screwed from day one. The only way a relationship with differing religious views could possibly work is if both people are willing to meet somewhere in the middle... but someone as devout as she was won't ever move an inch towards your position.
TLDR, trying to date someone who's hyper-religious is almost always a bad idea because even if things are good at first, you'll eventually get to the "convert or gtfo" ultimatum. And that never goes well.
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On February 18 2013 23:40 TOCHMY wrote:I have a personal rule not to engage myself with religious girls (or ppl overall but especially girls). On the plusside, being in a relationship with a devout religious girl, you don't have to worry about getting cheated on. Except with god ofc.
Believe it or not, this is untrue. My devoutly religious ex cheated on me. Being super-religious doesn't excuse some people from being sociopaths.
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On February 19 2013 04:03 tokicheese wrote:Hahahahah I'm actually dying
Oh this was so painful it was amazing!
I'm near tears.
EDIT: My TL birthday has begun!
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I guess the first question to ask, is all of what is described in this thread to be considered as normal, or is there something wrong? If so, what is it? It just seems to me like there is a systematic problem.
I believe this could potentially be a solution to a lot of the problems we're seeing here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200908/another-way-make-love
The above is a piece of it, but there are other pieces beyond just that article that I've seen.
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On February 19 2013 03:54 LOveRH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues. The mature thing to do is always give the other person the benefit of the doubt. Going the revenge route does not make you a better man, you are the one that is completing the cycle as well. Anyone could choose to be a dick in that kind of situation but it's harder to forgive and try to have a relationship. Unless it is your child you have no right to 'teach' another person a lesson. That kind of thinking is just lowering yourself to another level.
I wouldn't have gone with her, but not for the whole 'revenge' thing. Honestly I feel that the 'revenge' thing is kind of pathetic. I wouldn't have stayed with her because there is a certain frame that is set at the beginning of a relationship. If that frame is weak, the relationship is going to come crashing down in the future as more is built onto it. Most relationships don't have a strong foundation, and they crumble as time goes on. Really it was best he meet other women, she's not the only girl out there. Although the way he just walked out on this girl is pretty mean.
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I've never been in a relationship, and from the sounds of these stories, perhaps that's for the best. Hopefully, when I do start dating, these types of people will be few and far between.
On February 19 2013 04:32 KillerSOS wrote:Oh this was so painful it was amazing! I'm near tears. EDIT: My TL birthday has begun!
Happy Birthday!
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On February 19 2013 06:53 fight_or_flight wrote:I guess the first question to ask, is all of what is described in this thread to be considered as normal, or is there something wrong? If so, what is it? It just seems to me like there is a systematic problem. I believe this could potentially be a solution to a lot of the problems we're seeing here: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200908/another-way-make-loveThe above is a piece of it, but there are other pieces beyond just that article that I've seen.
The thread is called "worst breakups"
no one is going to come in here and talk about how awesome their relationship is.
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On February 19 2013 00:56 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:50 GhostLink wrote:On February 19 2013 00:40 LOveRH wrote:On February 19 2013 00:31 GhostLink wrote:Wait... You kept her as a friend for over 2 years, still flirting tho, watching her get dumped by 3 guys. Then, she finally came to her senses and said she wanted to be with a decent man, a non-douche. This was when you experienced the biggest brainfart in human history, not only rejecting a "super hot" and "living embodiment of beauty" as a "lover", but also breaking an over 2 year long friendship? For what? Just to be a douche? Or what?
Something doesn't add up here.... I wanted revenge. And I had it. Yes I could have been with her now, but I still have no regrets. I was very hurt by what she did to me at the start, so... It felt quite good. I feel like you need to accept that people make mistakes. She finally got her shit back together, manned up and came back to you (which takes a lot of guts) and what do you do? You rejected her. Not to be mean but you kinda seem like the bad guy here . I can understand why you would think that. But I'd hate myself if i didn't do what i did. After all, that was the plan from the beginning. I've committed myself to being her friend for 2 years while watching her date other guys. Sure, I could have just taken the easy way out and started dating her, but then all that effort was to go to waste. For once i listened to my brain. I'd wager that if i did say yes and start dating her, she'd dump me soon enough for some other asshole, because i wasn't cool, or gym-pumped, so owned a nightclub. Then that person would dump her, and she'd come back crying to me, and so the cycle continues. You did good, Ghostlink. I fully agree with your logic. A lesser man would have caved in. You taught her a valuable lesson, hopefully she took it to heart.
Disagree, I don't think she would have learnt anything. If anything, he only helped reinforce her belief that men in general are douchebags, and the only reason Ghostlink stuck around and acted as a friend was to just get revenge on her. (pretty douchey move in my opinion). He should have just moved on 2 years ago. Waiting for revenge makes him as stupid as she was, and IMO he was in anyway not better than her (even though he would like to believe that he is).
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Ex leaves me before Christmas after a year together, 2 months living abroad together, life plans for marriage and children.
One month later she refuses to give me half the money of a fine she made me took to help a friend of her and instead goes one day to london to have fun (saturday morning to sunday morning) with this guy she is dating for a month, calling him love and writing him hearts.
Oh, I'm 23, she is 23, the douchebag is 30. It's like I've got erased from one day to the other: she speaks to him the same way she spoke to me. She left all her past boyfriends and after leaving got in immediate relationships or fucked people around.
I guess next time I will take a carefull eye on the past of a person.
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On February 19 2013 00:49 Grumbels wrote:
I would never trust to be in a relationship with a religious person. Not to make this a rant against religion, but believing in God is not exactly rational and this might mean there could be a pattern of irrationality.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense. There are countries with the majority of people believe in God, and they're not any more irrational than people in countries that are mostly atheistic. I say that as an atheist.
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I wouldn't say religious people are irrational, I know for myself, when I was religious, it was all I ever knew, so it was more brain-washing than a lack of reason. Once I started questioning things more I started to realize it was irrational, but you don't realize it when you're brainwashed. But that being said, I now would not date a religious girl, and I made sure that my girlfriend was not religious when I started dating her.
Anyway, heres my story:
How we met:
+ Show Spoiler +When I was 17, I was working at a movie theater and a cute girl had recently started working there. I hung out with her and a friend one night and asked her out on a date... she reluctantly said yes (like a why do guys always do this to me sort of yes). When I picked her up for our date she immediately said "I want to only be friends with you and thats all this is". I shrugged it off, at least she was honest about it. I took her to dinner, we went in this scary corn maze thing and she was holding onto me the whole time (it was around halloween).
The progression:
+ Show Spoiler +After that we were only friends, but we texted each other non-stop and became very close. I had graduated high school already (I tested out) and she was still in, and it seemed like she was much less mature than me, possibly for that reason. So I compared our relationship to a father-daughter one as she had a horrible relationship with her father. I looked out for her and listened to her, helped her out. No sexual feelings at all. She started hanging out with a guy that worked with us and he was kind of an asshole. Anyway, she had sex with him. Then she told me that she was sad about the whole thing and didn't want to be with him. Then she had sex with him again, same thing. I told her that if she wants a committed relationship, having sex with a guy is not that way to go about it, and she always seemed to know that but did it anyway.
The inner slut comes out:
+ Show Spoiler +Soon after she admits that she's been in love with me for the last 6 months or so, and that being with that guy made her incredibly unhappy because she wanted to be with me the whole time. I agree to go on a date with her (even though that whole father-daughter thing makes it really weird). Hormones get brewing and stuff starts happening, stuff I had never had happen to me before. So I started to like her. About a week later, she immediately becomes distant, and doesn't like me. She didn't want to be in a relationship, she wasn't ready for one. Soon after, she had sex with some other guy in expectation of a relationship, he denied her. Then another, then another, then another, within the course of about a month. She then told me that she was hanging out with a guy that we used to work with, whom I hated (biggest asshole in the world). She thought he was gross and said nothing's going to happen. She slept with him too. Even though it took me a long time to realize that our relationship was destructive, I never talked to her again. Now, she's been dating one of my old friends for the past 4 years or so.
She missed out on an educated, successful guy, for an uneducated, minimum wage working loser (I'm 22 and he's 24). And nothing in the world feels better than knowing that.
Rather than hate girls for what they do to you, just go with the flow. It wasn't til I stopped pursuing these fantasy relationships that I wanted so badly, that I started to actually meet girls worth my time. And the girls that are worth it, don't require significant amounts of time invested with games and dates, it just works.
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On February 19 2013 04:30 iamahydralisk wrote:
I apologize if this is insensitive, but you're lucky it ended before you got in even deeper. I've been in your shoes (dating a devoutly religious girl while being an atheist myself) and I don't know of a single situation in which people have actually made that work.
I know a couple who recently married and have a baby on the way. She is devout Christian and he is about as anti-religious as you can get lol. Yes apparently it was a big thing for him but I guess love can overcome it...
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Im so sorry, but you guys deserve each other. You will be forever cheated. You think a girl that does that once wont do that again?
The guy forced her to tell the truth and u break his face? Congratz mate, you are the king of the idiots.
He made a good deed, by letting you know that she was not loyal and you go and use force and break his face.
But have fun having a girl that will cheat on you for the rest of ur life. I just feel sorry for all the inoccent people, that she will trick to get laid, and then get punched in the face by you. People like you.. is whats wrong in this world. Using strength ... hmpff
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Sure is a lot of resentment in this thread...
Anger, revenge, or anything negative ever helped me get past my breakup.
Get back out there and look for something that fits what you're looking for better. Sounds too simple for something that feels so complex.
I found out about my "betrayal" by witnessing an used condom in my ex's garbage bin.
Nothing
sadness
sorrow
ANGER
anger
anger....
And peace, at some point, when I set my mind to new things.
Never quite forgotten nor forgiven, but not given much tought. Uncommon glimpses is all.
Best of luck on getting back out there!
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On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men.
You cannot draw a conclusion after Micronesia's story. What was the couple's situation after 30 years? Was the man cheating on her? We don't know. If the couple was in a bad shape and the woman was holding on because of the children but now they are adults and she found out her first love, someone that keeps her out of her depressing life, who are you to judge her? Even for the "sudden" part relatively to the neighbours...
My aunt's husband was cheating on her and they were constantly fighting. She got sick of it and wanted to divorce. He refused it. He also refused to leave his lover. Of course they did not tell their neighbours their situation, it is none of their business. So she moved away and got with someone else. The thing is now people see her as the slutty woman who left her husband to find a lover.
Thing is you cannot draw conclusion out of one story, especially if you don't have the details and when all those stories come from men. I don't say that leaving someone you are committed to because you love someone else is better than doing it to fuck a younger chick.
Idiotic notions like love and hope are exactly the reason modern society is decaying
[...] Love is a subjective term. It means different things to everyone. Therefore, it is not something you can claim society is built on, seeing as its an abstract term. Also, it's just complete horse shit. Humans banded together to form civilizations for the purposes of resource sharing, economies of scale, mutual protection, and division of labor. They did not do so for the sake of singing Kumbayah and making kissy face.
Hope suffers due to the same fundamental issues as love. Gambling is an activity based on hope. Affairs are based on hope. Armed robberies are based on hope. Mass genocide of the Jews was based on hope. EVERYTHING is based on hope, because hope in the way you're using it is merely expectation or motivation based on future benefit. In essence, a completely nonsensical form of valuation.
Sure now that marriage is not the parent's decision, the society is less stable. Doesn't mean we should go back there. I agree with you loyalty, stability and commitment are really important, but the problem is much more complex than that. We know what society was built on. The thing is society evolve to take humans as individuals into account. You can hate it but it would be more constructive to find the best compromises to have a functionning society and happy individuals.
Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough.
[...]
I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks.
It is too bad you are turned on by those women. I can assure you a lot of them are not like that, even if having a decent situation is obviously important.
You have to think about yourself in the long term but you also have to believe a little bit in the other's integrity if you want to live your life happily.
Crying wrote: a high quality women,who is for instance a singer,star,celebrity
If this is your view of high quality women... I could say it is equally fucked up to say quality men are men with a "good car" and a good watch. It is obvious you want someone that is able to afford the expenses of life. One of the many qualities of your partner. Don't push it to the extreme
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My friend Kyle dated this girl named Chelsea whose parents were extremely religious (jewish) and strict. They were so controlling they actually didn't allow her to eat certain foods (like cherries for example....don't ask me why). That bad.
Due to this he rarely could find time to even be with her between school, work, and needing to find a time her parents weren't around, so the only chance he could see her was sundays (which is our bro night) after she got home for work, and only for about 3 hours. So he basically always went out of his way just to see her without her really putting any effort back. Kyle's generally one of the nicest guys I know.
About 6 months into their relationship she wasn't ready for sex when they began talking about getting even closer, and my friend perfectly respected that. (they were literally naked in bed together and she told him she wasn't ready, and he was like "that's fine.")
So then after a few more months she starts going all emo about their relationship that they "aren't close enough," and "don't spend enough time together (mind you, Kyle has to literally go out of his way just to see her and she has never put forth any effort to see him). During a testing phase he was exhausted, so he wanted to spend ONE night in the past 3 months with us instead of her so she then claims he "doesn't care for her" and "cares more for your friends [us]." The fuck? He even tried to explain this to her, but nope, logic can't be had with her.
He eventually got fed up with the drama and broke up with her in person. So then when she began posting dumb shit on facebook about her life and relationship. My friends, hating people like that with an extreme passion decided to fuck with her. Kyle didn't really care either way.
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She got soooo pissed off at that single comment once she saw it, deleted it, deleted all of us as facebook friends (there was like....6? of us I think) soon after, then began angrily texting Kyle. When she gets really angry she stops using punctuation......and sentences begin just meshing together. She couldn't keep up with Kyle's smart ass replies so she ended up saying "Well...I guess I better fuck you." (meaning she couldn't think of anything after "i guess i better..." and just said "fuck you" to try to end the convo) Kyle replies with "I don't know how that could help now, but I'm free anytime."
So ended the most hilarious shit ever. We still joke about it. We're such horrible people sometimes.
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So nothing happened between her and kyle? The statement is true then since she hasn't had sex yet, right? Don't get me wrong, those type of girls who play the "OMG, you care more about your friends than me" card because they spend one night with the guys is probably one of the worst characteristics a girl can have. Edit: I've seen a handful of guys lose all their friends due to this and then when the relationship turns sour they are left with no social circle anymore. It is really quite fucked up for women to pull those type of stunts when a guy really likes them but it is also the guys fault for playing along and ignoring his friends. Glad to see your friend took a stand because lots of guys usually cave in and just go to their girlfriends. Thus only creating bitterness for the friends after months of this occurring.
If they actually had sex then the comment would have been quite funny and worth it but it sounds like if they actually just laid there naked.... No harm done, she is still keeping true to the abstinence.
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On February 19 2013 10:43 Shelke14 wrote:
So nothing happened between her and kyle? The statement is true then since she hasn't had sex yet, right? Don't get me wrong, those type of girls who play the "OMG, you care more about your friends than me" card because they spend one night with the guys is probably one of the worst characteristics a girl can have. Edit: I've seen a handful of guys lose all their friends due to this and then when the relationship turns sour they are left with no social circle anymore. It is really quite fucked up for women to pull those type of stunts when a guy really likes them but it is also the guys fault for playing along and ignoring his friends. Glad to see your friend took a stand because lots of guys usually cave in and just go to their girlfriends. Thus only creating bitterness for the friends after months of this occurring.
If they actually had sex then the comment would have been quite funny and worth it but it sounds like if they actually just laid there naked.... No harm done, she is still keeping true to the abstinence.
You can be intimate without having sex.
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Most of you guys should know to not let the girl gets into your head which I see MANY of you guys get. The moment she start messing up with your psyche is the moment you become a loser. See Mel Gibson's case, his newly acquainted lover have begin treating him badly and he screamed at her with sentences like "You are nothing without me. If you didn't have me, you would be nowhere so I need you to blow me every day." but the women just couldn't take him serious because she know that she broke him down.
The logical step to take after a certain situation with the woman is to keep calm and go out to find a new special someone. She asks you "Hey why are you always busy these day?", you respond with "Oh I was hanging out with some new people that I met.". If she tries to delve deeper into it, you respond with a question such as "Why are you so paranoid?". By the end of the conversation you can either get her to change or if she isn't changing, you already have someone up your sleeve already.
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SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men.
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On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men.
Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user?
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Oh no she did ent ^
I feel very empathetic right now. Some of these experiences are, well horrifying. It seems we're out of options boys. Time to wave the white flag.
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lol take it to pms.. we dont want you to start shit in this thread
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I sent IdrA a message about candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach together. He told me to fuck off.
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
Dude, you're kind of an asshole.
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
I got an amazing visual from this. Classic.
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On February 19 2013 10:32 BlackPaladin wrote:My friend Kyle dated this girl named Chelsea whose parents were extremely religious (jewish) and strict. They were so controlling they actually didn't allow her to eat certain foods (like cherries for example....don't ask me why). That bad. Due to this he rarely could find time to even be with her between school, work, and needing to find a time her parents weren't around, so the only chance he could see her was sundays (which is our bro night) after she got home for work, and only for about 3 hours. So he basically always went out of his way just to see her without her really putting any effort back. Kyle's generally one of the nicest guys I know. About 6 months into their relationship she wasn't ready for sex when they began talking about getting even closer, and my friend perfectly respected that. (they were literally naked in bed together and she told him she wasn't ready, and he was like "that's fine.") So then after a few more months she starts going all emo about their relationship that they "aren't close enough," and "don't spend enough time together (mind you, Kyle has to literally go out of his way just to see her and she has never put forth any effort to see him). During a testing phase he was exhausted, so he wanted to spend ONE night in the past 3 months with us instead of her so she then claims he "doesn't care for her" and "cares more for your friends [us]." The fuck? He even tried to explain this to her, but nope, logic can't be had with her. He eventually got fed up with the drama and broke up with her in person. So then when she began posting dumb shit on facebook about her life and relationship. My friends, hating people like that with an extreme passion decided to fuck with her. Kyle didn't really care either way. She got soooo pissed off at that single comment once she saw it, deleted it, deleted all of us as facebook friends (there was like....6? of us I think) soon after, then began angrily texting Kyle. When she gets really angry she stops using punctuation......and sentences begin just meshing together. She couldn't keep up with Kyle's smart ass replies so she ended up saying "Well...I guess I better fuck you." (meaning she couldn't think of anything after "i guess i better..." and just said "fuck you" to try to end the convo) Kyle replies with "I don't know how that could help now, but I'm free anytime." So ended the most hilarious shit ever. We still joke about it. We're such horrible people sometimes.
Sounded like someone with a severe psychological hang up (called ignorance of other people) if she didn't recognize the lengths Kyle was going for her. You guys ain't that horrible.
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I've enjoyed these stories. Mine probably doesn't sound as insane as some of these. I'll tell you right now I am so stupid, but maybe someone will learn something from me, and since it's anonymous, here goes.
I was young and naive. At 21 I had a friend who told me to come with him to hang out with some girls. Basically he was just friends with one of the 4 girls that lived in this apartment (2 were sisters). So I went. It wasn't a crazy party or anything. They cooked dinner for us, we played Scene it or other board games and what not. It was fun. We kept going to hang out with them. Eventually we could tell that one of the girls liked me, and the other girl liked him. I asked the girl out that liked me because, why not? We made out and watched movies and stuff for a couple of months. I never really liked her, but I really started to like another roommate. Well being dumb I dumped the first girl I was dating and asked out the second girl (the one that liked my friend). Well that was a dumb idea. It was an insane amount of drama. For some stupid reason I really liked her. By this time a year had gone by. Well she was just stringing me along because I had a good job and she wanted me to buy her stuff and she worked like 25 hours a week for minimum wage at Target and had no life. Eventually I bought a $4,000 ring and proposed to her (like I said, for a 22 year old with no college experience, especially living with his parents rent free - I had a pretty good job). She said yes (we kept it a secret) and she pretty much immediately moved to live with her sister and brother in law in Idaho because she wanted to find a better job or something. Yep, she took the ring. She started calling me less and less, I knew something was up. She started hanging out with weird people (I guess, this is just what she told me). Basically she got a new group of weird friends, and they would sleep over and do who knows what. All I knew was what she told me and it was weird stuff. She denied cheating but would sleep in bed with other guys in her group of friends. This went on and on and it was just weird stuff. I had no idea what was going through her head. I can't tell you what it's like not knowing what's true and what's not. It could've all been trolling for all I know. She could've been sleep with a different guy every night. I have no idea to this day and probably don't want to know. She was weird. For some reason I was so smitten with this girl that I put up with it for a few weeks and finally broke up with her and told her to send the ring back. To spare you all the drama, I had to tell her sister and brother in law about the "engagement" and they made her send the ring back. I was able to get my money back and used it to pay for college. I still trust girls, but I don't think I'll ever be able to feel so connected as I did to her. She was kind of my "first love" so to speak and I was just a big moron. She hated me for telling her sister and brother in law about the engagement as it was extremely embarrassing for her. I'm not sure what she expected to happen. She kept saying I "gave" her that ring. lol. Then later she took a trip out to Oregon where I live. I was on my way to Utah and she needed a ride back to Idaho. I for some reason was stupid and drove hours out of my way to pick her up in another city and drop her off and ended up in the middle of Idaho, 6 hours away from my destination at 1am. I not only had to pay for the gas to go out of the way, but also a hotel for the night because I wasn't invited to stay at her sister's because of whatever lies she had told them about me.
My very next breakup was equally messed up. Since my first story was so long I'll make it short. I'd been trying to break up with her for a while, but she kept coming back somehow. Well, not somehow, she used her feminine whiles and me being weak always gave in. She was insansely hot, half puerto rican, body of a goddess. She played basketball but was valuptious in all the right places. She was studying to become a nurse and was actually a nice girl a lot of times, just had a psycho side (like every girl I've ever dated) and I kept thinking it would never end up well by staying with her. I could never decide if the psycho side was just how girls are, or if I shouldn't put up with it. Somehow we went out for over a year. If I found another girl I was interested in, she'd somehow find out and sabatoge it by going all psycho. Eventually I moved to another state to get away from her because I just hated the situation. Originally it was "just for the summer", but when she found out I wasn't coming back after about a month, she told me she was pregnant and she was keeping it. I didn't know what to do. Wow, it was a mess. By this time I had met another girl and we were really starting to like each other. Mayhem ensued. She said she got an abortion, but who knows if she was even telling the truth in the first place. So many details I better leave out, but eventually it turns out she has found another guy anyway and it all worked out. I was SOOOOOOO glad that was over.
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ah god i got some really great (horrible) stuff to type up.. not but when my current girlfriend is sitting right next to me lol.. TONIGHT perhaps.. I need to read through this whole thread.. there are gonna be some gems.
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dated a girl for 6 months when I was 18, depressed, and a virgin. I only dated this girl cause I was DESPERATE to get laid for once. It was my first real relationship and after a week, we fucked. I got attached unfortunately, I say unfortunately cause this girl was a gigantic cunt. self-centered, obnoxious, irritating, abusive, the works. she used to hit me and call me all sorts of names like 'fag' and 'queer.' after a few months, I was working and going to school full time, she was in school but flunking out, and we rarely saw each other. thing is, she would drive a half hour every night to hang out with my 'best friend' who introduced us. I didn't think twice about it, cause he introduced us, but I had some suspicions after a short while. after we had been dating for half a year, I went on her blog and saw this long-winded post about how she had been fucking him, and was in love with him and not me, but didn't want to tell me. needless to say, I flew into a rage. my dad had to keep me from driving to this kids house with a bat and fucking shit up. from then on, she would harass me with texts almost everyday about how i was less of a man than him and a total faggot. thing is, she owed me money. like 300 dollars, since I paid for her car to get repaired. i saved all the harassing texts and told her that I had documentation of how much she owed me, how she had been harassing me, and I was prepared to go to court. 6 months later, she paid me in full and I never talked to the bitch again. I learned a LOT from that relationship. don't let your dick control your brain for example...
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On February 19 2013 10:43 Shelke14 wrote:
So nothing happened between her and kyle? The statement is true then since she hasn't had sex yet, right? Don't get me wrong, those type of girls who play the "OMG, you care more about your friends than me" card because they spend one night with the guys is probably one of the worst characteristics a girl can have. Edit: I've seen a handful of guys lose all their friends due to this and then when the relationship turns sour they are left with no social circle anymore. It is really quite fucked up for women to pull those type of stunts when a guy really likes them but it is also the guys fault for playing along and ignoring his friends. Glad to see your friend took a stand because lots of guys usually cave in and just go to their girlfriends. Thus only creating bitterness for the friends after months of this occurring.
If they actually had sex then the comment would have been quite funny and worth it but it sounds like if they actually just laid there naked.... No harm done, she is still keeping true to the abstinence.
I broke up with my girlfriends cuse of this 1 week ago..Always playing the, your friends are always first then me card. lol. Shes the only girl i like, but fuck it. So many fish in the sea, i wanna triez newz girlz
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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
every time i see this thread in the sidebar i have to come into this thread just to read this post. so damn funny.
On February 19 2013 12:17 Slardar wrote:I sent IdrA a message about candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach together. He told me to fuck off.
he did the same thing to me last year
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On February 19 2013 13:30 Lesrah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 10:43 Shelke14 wrote:
So nothing happened between her and kyle? The statement is true then since she hasn't had sex yet, right? Don't get me wrong, those type of girls who play the "OMG, you care more about your friends than me" card because they spend one night with the guys is probably one of the worst characteristics a girl can have. Edit: I've seen a handful of guys lose all their friends due to this and then when the relationship turns sour they are left with no social circle anymore. It is really quite fucked up for women to pull those type of stunts when a guy really likes them but it is also the guys fault for playing along and ignoring his friends. Glad to see your friend took a stand because lots of guys usually cave in and just go to their girlfriends. Thus only creating bitterness for the friends after months of this occurring.
If they actually had sex then the comment would have been quite funny and worth it but it sounds like if they actually just laid there naked.... No harm done, she is still keeping true to the abstinence. I broke up with my girlfriends cuse of this 1 week ago..Always playing the, your friends are always first then me card. lol. Shes the only girl i like, but fuck it. So many fish in the sea, i wanna triez newz girlz
Good for you. People like that disgust me. When she pulled that card all my friends, including Kyle were like "Yeah, okay, she needs to grow up or go." If a girl ever pulls that card on you, it's always a bad sign.
Not part of this, but for me the worst is when people constantly tell each other white lies in a relationship in order to "not hurt them." Then you find out all about it later on and now you feel like you can't trust the person at all. Don't be that person. D:
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On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user?
Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
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On February 19 2013 13:32 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. every time i see this thread in the sidebar i have to come into this thread just to read this post. so damn funny. Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 12:17 Slardar wrote:I sent IdrA a message about candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach together. He told me to fuck off. he did the same thing to me last year
I got a picture of me and Idra at MLG where he looks immensely pissed off and I've got my arm around his shoulders while grinning like a monkey. I think it's coz he just got knocked out of the tourney but I insisted on a picture with him lolol
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oh this thread... there is nothing like schadenfreude to brighten up your day
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On February 19 2013 09:26 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 04:30 iamahydralisk wrote:
I apologize if this is insensitive, but you're lucky it ended before you got in even deeper. I've been in your shoes (dating a devoutly religious girl while being an atheist myself) and I don't know of a single situation in which people have actually made that work. I know a couple who recently married and have a baby on the way. She is devout Christian and he is about as anti-religious as you can get lol. Yes apparently it was a big thing for him but I guess love can overcome it...
Good for them, but I wouldn't consider her "devout" if she's willing to date outside her religion. That's usually a big no-no for people who consider themselves to be devoutly faithful to whatever religion they believe in.
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On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you.
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On February 17 2013 05:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 04:54 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth Hahaha this shit is gold. No one ever lays out the truth like this man. But you gotta chill out, a lot of people are not gonna take kindly to this. ignorance is bliss Denial is the first defense mechanism / coping method. I think "love" in some abstract, lingering sentiment sort of way definitely exists. I still love 2 of my ex-gfs. Now, would I trust them? About as far as a dog can shit. But that doesn't mean I don't love them and care about what happens to them for the rest of their lives. Now "LOVE" in the soul-mate, magic for all time sense, that I think is somewhat pushing it... I don't think that exists. And I think that's what the original post was talking about when he said love doesn't exist. I agree, I find long-term, monogamous relationships much more fulfilling. But that doesn't mean it'll last forever. Often, those are the ones that really rip you up inside. I'm not cynical or jaded or try to tell myself I'm never going to love again. I have no problem going back out there and meeting a new girl to take up with and commit to for X years. But so far in my 27 years of life, I have definitely noticed a trend: Women who don't cheat like food more than fucking. Women who cheat often and slut around like fucking more than anything else. Women who have affairs but don't break up like shopping more than food OR fucking.
I was reading through the thread and came upon this, and it made me feel pretty lucky that my girlfriend (of 4 1/2 years) loves food yet has a fast metabolism so she doesn't get fat. I just hope that her metabolism doesn't slow down too much as we get older haha.
Unfortunately I don't have any good break up stories that I can think of at the moment. I think the closest would be when I was 15 years old and a girl I had a crush on, and had shown feelings back told me how she felt on MSN one night like this: aoksialsdmdontalsdlikeasdyouasdnanyasdnmoreasjqsflk
If you didn't catch it:
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On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you.
While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off.
Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men.
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
The post was not a promotion of women as goddesses or even defending their wrongdoings. And this was not a post stating "Bring about the female overlords in order for them to abuse us." This was mostly a criticism of Samsung Star's view on women in general.
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On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men.
Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected.
Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
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On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
I said that it is very difficult to form a relationship with people whom you can barely relate to but attracted to biologically for some reason. This can apply to both straight and gay relationships. And if I remember correctly, I did state that same-sex relationships tend to be just as bullshit as heterosexual.
And my reference to Schopenhauer was out of spite for this thread. I said that his sexism has more worth than the sexism in this thread. Basically, his bigotry is more worthwhile than most of the opinions being discussed.
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On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole.
And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
Did you actually read the post by kwizach?
Because while hardcore feminism gives me the shits, that post was actually (in my opinion) full of solid points when you think about the way many men think about women. It wasn't about demonising men or saying that women should have all the power, it was about social equality. I enjoyed some of Samsung's stories too, but you can't really deny that he has a sexist point of view.
Trying to belittle someone who actually has a decent argument (whether Samsung actually cares to argue about it is up to him entirely) by calling them a white knight is just weak. If you really think that kwizach's post was an example of a "doormat that worships the shit of of women" then you must be so far up your own ass in anti-feminism that you are just as bad as the real man hating feminists out there.
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Together with my first gf for nearly 4 years, everything was going great, we spent almost all our time together for the first couple of years and had lots of fun. She was the clingy kind but I didn't quite mind at that point of time and neglected my friends quite a bit because of that. In the last year of our relationship, I began getting more playful and hung out more with my new uni friends and got to know more girls etc (I was quite a nerd when we first got together ) She obviously didn't like it and started complaining I was neglecting her. Other than that it was fine and we would still be happy when we met each other, there were no signs of a breakup at all.
Then in the last week of our relationship we got into quite a big quarrel and all of a sudden she starts saying she is tired of being together with me and all sorts of nonsense. At first I thought it was just one of that quarrels where the girl just vents her anger and we would be fine after that. But not this time, she was quite serious about breaking up and suggested taking a one week break. I was desperate, lost, and had no clue of what to do. I rang her up needlessly, bought gifts and flowers, and even booked a hotel room and decorated it with flowers and what not. I lost around 3kg that week and slept like a 5 hours per day. But, at the end of the week, she still persisted with her decision. I gave up at that point of time and decided to man up and move on with my life.
Guess what, a week later I found her attached with another guy on facebook. The had met through a friend's friend and had known each other for about 2 months, not sure whether they went out together when I was still with her. I was fuming at first and scolded her quite a bit through text, but after awhile I realized it was pointless and I wished her well. Haven since or talked to her in about a year, except for our birthdays where we both wished each other and thats it. Girls can be so heartless sometimes, one moment everything's fine and the next they get confused about the relationship. But through this experience I've learnt a lot, and realized many mistakes I made during the relationship and what to do in the future. Now when I think back, the only regret I have is spending so much fucking money that week to try to get her back, if only I could get the money back xD Now I'm with another girl whom I extremely love and we are having a great relationship and I hope I won't have to go through the same thing again.
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On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
I have to agree with you. Especially in situations that affect you emotionally its so seductive to come to any arbitrary conclusions, its kind of an ego protection. A relationship is always between at least two entities which interact reciprocally
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Oh god my sides
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Story #1 (Language: New Zealand English)
+ Show Spoiler +I was good friends with a girl in high school who seemed to want to be more than just friends. She was averagely good looking (blonde) and was good friends with a super hot (brunette) girl in my computer science class who I sort of casually knew. They both seemed to get a kick out of trying to lead the totally socially inept, geeks on (I guess I was one of them since I hung around there a lot and didn't fit into any cool kids clique).
My blonde friend liked to get into my personal space more than friends should, lightly touching my back with her hand, or my arm etc. I didn't know it at the time, but looking back I now realise she was conditioning me to her touch, one of the opening moves of most plays. I liked talking with her, and was casually interested in her. One day they even compared notes on how to turn a guy on. I was casually in the conversation somehow, I think it’s because all the other males in the computer room were allergic to girls or something. My good friend, the blonde, mentioned that she could turn a guy on by sucking on his fingers and said it was because the fingertips had a lot nerve endings, making them sensitive to the touch, and the tongue. The hot brunette looked at me, and grabbed my hand. She pulled two fingers into her mouth and started to tease them with her tongue, alternating between sucking and caressing. After about fifteen seconds (it seemed more like a minute) she pulled my fingers out and asked if that turned me on. I said no. I lied.
I didn't think I was even close to being on the brunettes level, so even though we would talk, I would teach her things in class and hang out on occasion, I never made a move. I figured she was just teasing, and was too shy and lacked game. I was however interested in the blonde, and through she was pretty into me too. The blonde would sometimes stay in the computer lab at lunch while the uncool kids and I played quake3 over lan. I had pretty good reflexes and a knack for predicting my opponents so I usually came out on top. And sometimes while I was coming out on top, she was there, on top of me.
Just sitting on my lap. Don't get too excited now.
Long story short, the blonde was a little crazy. The stalker type. We were only good friends, but she wanted more. Looking back, I have to be realistic about it. We basically dated without being "official". I guess I played the hard to get, aloof card right without even realising it. That made her a little crazy for me, and she tried for a few months to skip the whole first kiss phase and try and get into my pants. For those of you not in the know, you can tell if a girl wants to get into your pants through analyzing body language, social clues and also noticing the distinct smell some girls seem to get when they are wet. Most guys never seem to mention it, so I don't know if I have a good sense of smell, or if people are just somehow oblivious to it. Anyway, at that stage I was pretty religious, with my parents being Christian, and I had this idea on how real relationships should work: Kiss -> Second Base -> ??? -> Profit. I figured it would be hard to say no to sex, but easy to resist making a move to kiss. I didn't actually like her enough to want to be in a relationship with a girl who was, in all honesty, a little unstable. So I just never made the first move to kiss her. Never did she. So despite all the sexual tension, nothing happened between the blonde and myself, so we remained that "unofficial" couple. I never tried to lead her on or anything, she was the one that did the chasing. She was pretty annoyed at the rejection to be honest and even said at one point that I needed to "grow some balls".
I just wasn't into her in that way.
Over the summer holidays I saw her a lot less. Then not at all. When I started my final year of high school I found out why. Turns out she started dating one of the noobs who I pwned most lunchtimes in the computer room. I still was friends with her though and despite being annoyed and unjustly jealous of her new boyfriend, hung out with her. One day while eating lunch on the field, she exclaimed "oh shit", dove into her bag and popped a pill. I looked at her puzzled, because I didn't know she was on any medication. I looked at her boyfriend (who I guess was a friend of mine) and noticed he looked quite uncomfortable. Then it hit me. That was the morning after pill. She was dating him because she wanted a boy toy and couldn't use me.
I lay down on the field and laughed. It was the loud, bitter laugh of someone who had their naive delusion abruptly shattered.
That was the day I discovered that girls are not totally alien creatures. We both had needs, and since she couldn't get what she wanted from me, she got it elsewhere.
Story #2
+ Show Spoiler +I didn't actually officially date until I was 21. I met a girl through friends of friends. There was a bit of an age gap between us, but she was smart, blonde fun to talk to and had ambitions and plans for her future. She shared the same fundamental beliefs as me, but most importantly; she had a really nice rack. It was the glorious age of social media, so I flirted with her over chat almost every day, before eventually arranging a first date. I scouted a restaurant with a friend the week before. The food and atmosphere was great, and my helpful friend (who was a pretty good looking brunette herself) helped me practice my date conversation skills. I was working at a bank at the time so could afford to splash out. My blonde date wore a sexy, low cut blue dress. She loved the food and atmosphere, it was a French restaurant and one of the more romantic in the city. She took French in high school and I had learned a bit of French just so we could have Facebook and Text conversations in French. I was a quick learner and I think I was actually kind of impressive with my sneaky powers of Google translate. After dinner (I paid) we went to the movies, totally forgot what movie we watched, it wasn't important. It usually isn't, so long as the movie wasn't terrible. It gives a great starting point, and indicates you are willing to spend a little cash. (Consider it a down payment to indicate your interest without actually saying anything). After the movie finished we walked out and I was happy with how the date had gone. It was getting late, and we had done everything I had planned. She had a great time, I had a great time. I could have let the night finish, but I felt something was missing. So I winged it. Instead of heading back to the car, we went for a walk down the street. The night air was crisp but moving helped keep us warm. Eventually I found a bench in the CBD so we could sit down and talk. It was cold so we moved closer. Then we cuddled. Then, with my head resting on her ample bosom, we kissed. I was 21, and it was my first kiss. It was her first kiss. We didn't really know what we were doing, but my heart was racing and we were pretty eager to find out. I lost track of time as we made out on that park bench. My blonde date must have had more imagination then I did, because that night she taught me to French kiss, and I found that I really, really liked it. We decided to make our relationship official right after that. Her parents gave her a curfew, so my hot, blonde date had to head back eventually. I walked her to her car, said good night and as she moved to open the car door, pulled her close and stole one last, lingering kiss from her lips. She must have been a little dazed after that because she forgot to reverse and ended up hitting the parking meter in front of her instead. The next day we were officially a couple, and you know it’s official when it’s Facebook official. I lived an hour and a half drive away, and we were both busy studying. That was the first and last date I ever had with her. I had never met her parents but apparently they didn't approve of their daughter dating. Eventually she stopped talking to me and broke up via a text message. That cut deep. Not the break up, we had only dated once and it went fantastic, but that she didn't even do me the courtesy of a phone call. Her text felt like a stab wound to the heart and I through she had flimsy reason for breaking up. The trolling I got from one of her friends was almost as bad, but I forced myself to ignore to destroy. My ex found out and asked her friend to stop, and apologised for it. Looking back, I was mostly bitter about waiting so long, only to have my first “real” relationship to fail so quickly. Sure I went on dates with girls before that, but only as good friends, never as “girlfriend” and “Boyfriend”. It wasn't that I was afraid to commit, it’s just that I think I was happy to wait for the right person, and when I finally thought I had found her she ripped my heart out with a SMS. I never went all in before, because I wanted to be confident of my hand before committing anything. Turns out you can lose with a K-Q to the flop even easier than you can to the river. Also turns out I’m bad with poker analogies.
Epilogue
+ Show Spoiler +Four years later, my ex and I are still friends on Facebook and she is still single. I guess she really did want to focus on her career. I have been dating my fiancé for over two years now, we are getting married in less than a year now. She is totally in love with me, and I am totally into her in a very big way. I’m not totally whipped, but still, life is more exciting when she is around.
I’m a Marketer by profession, and have developed into a bit of a natural flirt. I find it easier to strike up conversations with girls then guys, so It’s not like I don’t have options, but am fiercely loyal and have finally found a girl I can bet everything on. I’m her second boyfriend, she broke up with her ultra conservative high school sweetheart years ago, so I was her first kiss and her first real relationship. I met him a few times. Nice guy. Totally clueless with the ladies. (Having several really good friends who are girls goes a long way to understanding what goes on inside women’s heads.)
My fiancé is the best person I have ever met, and I am glad to have waited as long as I did instead of settling for just any girl. She is smart, charming, loving, competitive, Christian, has a natural tan, athletic and looks great in a bikini (12D). I have an IQ of 140, and I can still easily lose a game of chess to her if I am not careful. Best of all, she has dark hair, which totally seals the deal for me.
Ps. The best man at my wedding is going to be a woman. Most people would consider this a bad idea; For obvious reasons.
Pps. I don’t care. My best friend is a woman and I believe honesty and transparency is a good policy for any business or relationship.
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Hi chaps, long time TL view but never a poster! But i saw this thread and thought i added my 2 cents to this one with a twisted story on how meet and how it all ended and the future.
How we meet
It was a university 3 years ago.... I was doing my honours science and she was doing her bachelors in business. The way we crossed paths was that we ended up in the same learning session doing the same program. The fact that i was wrapped up in my studies...girls never were on the top of my mind. Till that day.
I saw her looking lost and thought to myself.... what the heck... i thought ill give it a go. Got to talk to her and we were the most happiest people in the room but when i said my farewell to her and almost left the room.... But with me and her talking, there was this other guy who was watching us all the time and called me back.. This guy wrote in this piece of paper..
"GET HER NUMBER"
Couldnt say it any clearer. And as a man, I went up to her and straight up, i asked for her number. We exchanged our number and that was the start of it.
The meet
Our first meet, was all friendship goodness and started that way. She said to me straight up that she wasnt looking for a BF right now and i said that was fine. And this went on for like a year being friends and her eventually going to the Netherlands and all to study.
The relationship
I manned up and became to wonder if she was interested in me relationship wise. But what i did when she came from the Netherlands 6 months later... i asked her that if your not interested in the relationship....then ill blow away like the wind and never come back. Somehow she gave in and we officially started dating.
I found out the few reasons why she didnt want a relationship. And thats because of her loosing one of her best friends to a boy she was dating with at the time. Quite scary if you ask me and she became cold as ice and gives more of her trust to her 'brothers' who are her current best friends.
The relationship was going pretty good until....
The break up
It was hard, but understandable. But since i was young chap my emotions took the best of me and acted like a jerk. On my final trip, we went for the "one night" in the hotel and while i was in bed she tells me while im doing it with her.
Her:Your too good for me. You should get another girl
Me: But i want you, your right here with me.
Her: No, please get another girl for me please.
And in my mind, i was like wtf has happened. Then i found out it was break up sex after a good google search. But i also knew a few weeks ago that she was moving back to the netherlands to study. I always thought i was gonna do the long distance thing. But i realised it was never gonna work. She was too popular and too busy to remember me nowadays.
Today
As i wanted to move on. I thought i delete her profile since we never talked like in months anyway. But as you know it...... she looks at my profile the next day. And asked me
'are we still friends?'
I told her a lame excused that yea that my facebook was hacked lade lada. So i re-added her again.
After i added her, I still see that she still wears the coat that i give her and also the ugg boots i brought for her a year ago. I guess she still appreciates what i have gave her.
From time to time, i still have have this wierd gut feeling that I still think about her. Like every day, even though i want to move on. Her name, and memories of her keep appearing on replay. Kinda sucks but i always think if its love or not...
On a rare occasion, there was a time that she wanted me to see her in England for two weeks. I never knew the reason why, but later i figured it out that she was flat broke. It was expensive to travel to england seeing as for me.. I came from Australia. Not only that.... she told me that we should live together..... ?confused much??
So as I write this today, yes i still think about her. And its kinda painful that my friends always have to cop most of my stories about her. But recently we talked to each other and she was heading to MAS for a few months, i thought ill ask her the final questions that If she really wanted me or not.
My 2 cents
Hope you TL nerds enjoy this story of mine.
Cheers
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Her:Your too good for me. You should get another girl
Me: But i want you, your right her with me.
Her: No, please get another girl for me please.
=S
that blows man, I hate it when people can't be straight-up with their emotions
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Awh man, just browsing this thread....
Was going to post mine, but it's so long and harrowing that when I re-read my post before clicked the Post button I just couldn't bring myself to share it. You probably wouldn't believe it anyway.... It's really that level of ridiculous.
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@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
@ Kwark
Thank you for calling him out
Now for my own addition to this thread of woe:
I met her at the launch of the Playstation 3 in Singapore. At the time I was working as a gaming journalist, which to the younger me was really a dream job of playing games and geeking out for a monthly salary. She was a model/photographer and kept a small blog that was moderately well known. The initial meeting still brings a rueful smile when I think about it. I was wearing horrible jeans and the one good shirt I had. We played a bit of Tekken on the PS3 sets on display, and I purposely threw a set to let her win (granted I am horribel at Tekken anyway and it's just a matter of button mashing a little slower haha). I was literally in full nerd mood that night. And when she leaned in to hug me when saying good bye my whole body tensed up because I thought it was inconceivable that a girl like that was hugging me.
One thing led to another, and through some cunning and devious (well not really) plans on my part (well not really - I even used the "oops texted wrong person, btw how are you" trick, which I have been told is incurably silly) we started dating. It was everything I wanted at the time. An attractive, sexually adventurous girl that I could play computer games with! I still remember on the first day I went to university I was happier with my relationship than the fact that I made it to law school. We started getting serious, occasionally staying over at each other's places for long periods of time. We got to known each other's parents, siblings and even extended families. I knew her friends and she knew mine.
In the third year of my university, I got the chance to study in Norway for a year. It was a tought decision to make, to not see her for a whole year. But at the same time I knew that this was a life opportunity that I should not turn down. We had a really really sweet month leading up to my departure, and a tearful good bye. Even though we were in different countries, we still kept the relationship going through skype and letters (something which I loved to write). During the winter, she agreed to come over to visit - I was estatic, and for a while we did a quick trip around Europe seeing the sights, being happily in love.
Then one night in Brussels, we got robbed. Two guys approached us in the night, started pushing us around and grabbed my wallet with 500 euros and credit cards. Everything happened so fast. Looking back, I realize I probably wasn't at my finest hour, since I was just so completly confused at what was happening. I didn't try to fight back until it was took late, by which time they had both ran off into the dark streets and fog. It was quite harrowing, and she took it really badly. I tried my best to keep her calm, but I think I was quite shaken myself.
Some nights later, we had a huge row. I cannot remember what exactly sparked it all off. Possibly something inconsequential. I do remember the painful, gaping silences. The impassioned and ultimately pointless arguments we kept trying to make. Us lying apart in that black room. The silent darkness drinking in our misery which was entirely self imposed and eminently curable if only we had cast away unbending pride for some compassion.
The next morning we tried our best to pick up the pieces, and went on with the trip. Things were alright, and it was easy to fall back into familiar territory. Eventually the trip ended, she went home and I stayed in Norway. Some weeks later, she breaks up over skype. A week after that, I realize that she is now seeing her dentist, who happened to be a woman.
My first reaction was incredulity. The whole thing sounded like some bad porn movie - dating a lesbian dentist! Disbelief gave way to anger, and I sent a torrent of angry emails containing some of the most terrible things I have ever said to a person. Those emails and letters were suffused with righteous indignance, undisguised anger and consequently it became all the more pathetic when I burned out the anger and just felt depressed. Angry letters gave way to increasinly desparate and inchorent ranting. I begged and pleaded to what looked like shameless stoicism on her part. Which just drove me to new lows - was our 3 year relationship so ultimately disposable that she could move on so fast? That she could stone wall me with such chilling nonchalance?
It was a pretty low point in my life. It was winter in Norway with 3 hours of daylight. I sometimes would sit for hours just looking at the snow blow around in the darkness beyond my window. I remember seeing the gusts and swirls of the white stuff churning in the air. I remember walking out in the middle of the night into the darken woods. When it wasn't snowing, it was so beautiful. A stillness in the air that I had never experienced before, and the moon turning the snow on the ground into a sea of silver. I remember just sitting there until I lost feeling in my toes and walked back to take a hot shower. For some reason I showered a lot. Like 4 times a day. Slowly, painfully, I moved on. Dated a bit (it helps that Norwegian girls are so pleasant to look at - thanks Norway!), came back home, finish school and got a proper job.
As fate might have it, we eventually met again and got close. I learned that she left the dentist for another lady, and that eventually did not work out. We tried again, but I think that the wounds of the past were just too raw to reconcile. Some chasms once created are nigh unbridgable. I realized that I had trouble trusting her. She felt that she did not deserve me. In many ways, it was an attempt doomed for failure, and we eventually decided to break up (again).
It is a bitter sweet memory, and had I the chance I probably would have still gone up to her at the playstation 3 party all those years ago. Even now, I sometimes wonder what it would be like to give the relationship one more try (3rd time is the charm after all right?). Ah well. Anyway that is my story - take from it what you will. Thanks for reading if you made it this far!
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Where long distance relationship ends up in no communication, and its always the girl. Sigh, the life of an expat.
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On February 19 2013 04:03 tokicheese wrote:Hahahahah I'm actually dying
I haven't laughed this hard in a good month. Oh man. He laughs a bit but I don't honestly know if I could read that with accuracy without breaking down. That is amazing.
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On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement?
And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right?
And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said.
It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women.
Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender.
And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does.
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I love how words such as feminist and white knight are now losing their original meaning
And talking from experience, Kwark is most certainly not a white knight, by your definition or the original definition.
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On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find?
I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response.
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I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there.....
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On February 20 2013 01:17 Telcontar wrote:
I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there.....
Alright, I'll bite........... You have got my attention with that line, please details.
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On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does.
Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
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On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response.
I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!!
I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously.
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On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously.
You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously.
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Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to:
This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell.
I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls.
I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular.
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On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
I disagree I think when someone says something like this:
Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
It is pretty rude. We are here to discuss things, so if you really do not want to read/reply then you are free to do so. Open derision is uncalled for. Kwark was calling Samsung out for that.
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On February 20 2013 01:30 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously. You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously.
LOL ok at this point I can pretty much be assured that you're just trolling. Who said anything about divorces? Why would YOU even factor that into the financial cost of being married? And no, from your writing it's fucking crystal clear that either you weren't joking or you had to resort to a sexist/mysogynistic analogy, which was pathetic or trolltastic. Either way, you just keep digging your own graves, have fun baiting I'm going to watch the fireworks from the sidelines now.
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On February 20 2013 01:33 levelping wrote:Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to: Show nested quote +This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell. I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls. I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular.
I did make generalizations. How exactly would I be able to talk in specifics when speaking about cultures and gender norms of behavior?
Also, do a quick comparison of divorce laws and rulings in China and America, and I think you'll quickly see why I am not interested in tying the knot in America. Look at child custody rulings. There is a clear argument for why I'd find American culture poisonous to married men.
I do think the Asian market is less competitive. Even in the first-tier cities of China, the vast majority are working with an income level that doesn't even begin to come close. I'm not sure why you'd try to argue this. But I'm not saying I'm going there to buy a wife. Rather, it's just an environment which I'd have a higher statistical chance of finding what I want, which is a hot atheist Chinese wife who if she leaves won't be taking half my shit and my kids with her.
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On February 20 2013 01:39 EngrishTeacher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously. You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously. LOL ok at this point I can pretty much be assured that you're just trolling. Who said anything about divorces? Why would YOU even factor that into the financial cost of being married? And no, from your writing it's fucking crystal clear that either you weren't joking or you had to resort to a sexist/mysogynistic analogy, which was pathetic or trolltastic. Either way, you just keep digging your own graves, have fun baiting I'm going to watch the fireworks from the sidelines now.
Yes, why would I ever consider the possibility of failure in quite possibly the most important financial merger of one's life. I think you're the one who's trolling.
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On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
I'm not usually one to get into it like this, but, Kwark is right to call some of this out. Some of these opinions are getting past the point of being healthy. A lot of what Samsung has said is purely empirical rationalizations that turn into blatant generalizations. To be honest, he and and some of the other guys in here have completely ridiculous views of women; the views of men that crazy cat ladies have except in a gender 180. Some of the people in here are being incosistent, referencing Romanticist philosophy to justify actions that have little to do with that thought, and while Romanticists are important to how people view the moden world, their faults seem to be disregarded because they conviently support some people's views in here. They blindly follow while saying everyone else is merely blindly following. Yes, Kwark's argument is fallacious, but even if his logic is bad, his intuition into seeing B.S. is definitely there. Yes, this thread has a purpose, and I've enjoyed reading a lot of these stories and being thankful they didn't happen to me; however, this thread is going to devolve into bitter people spewing hate if we don't check how much bitterness we allow to permeate this thread outside of the stories.
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On February 18 2013 08:49 Shelke14 wrote:
haha! you are right! It was the wrong person.. fuck, sorry. My bad!
Dumping on birthday..... thats is fucked up. My buddy just dumped his gf of 5 years on V-day.
Some years ago I dumped a guy a week or something before Valentine's Day. He was head over heels for me, but although he was the loveliest person ever, he was just too "nice", he'd always agree with me when I was wrong. I got the sense that he would do something big for Valentine's Day, and I felt bad because I knew it would be big, so it made me end the relationship (it was hard, because he was so nice). I found out pretty soon after from his best friend that he'd been planning to buy tickets to Paris + hotel and shit. So thankfully I did the right thing, and saved him a shitload of money.
Not a terrible story at all, just this comment reminded me of it.
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On February 20 2013 01:56 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion. I'm not usually one to get into it like this, but, Kwark is right to call some of this out. Some of these opinions are getting past the point of being healthy. A lot of what Samsung has said is purely empirical rationalizations that turn into blatant generalizations. To be honest, he and and some of the other guys in here have completely ridiculous views of women; the views of men that crazy cat ladies have except in a gender 180. Some of the people in here are being incosistent, referencing Romanticist philosophy to justify actions that have little to do with that thought, and while Romanticists are important to how people view the moden world, their faults seem to be disregarded because they conviently support some people's views in here. They blindly follow while saying everyone else is merely blindly following. Yes, Kwark's argument is fallacious, but even if his logic is bad, his intuition into seeing B.S. is definitely there. Yes, this thread has a purpose, and I've enjoyed reading a lot of these stories and being thankful they didn't happen to me; however, this thread is going to devolve into bitter people spewing hate if we don't check how much bitterness we allow to permeate this thread outside of the stories.
That's a fair point. I'll agree the discussion has gotten off track a bit, partially due to me. My bad.
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Eh, the silly thing is I do kinda have a story to tell, although it's not directly related to the breakup.
Was at university, met some guy, super cute, out clubbing, he was from a university maybe 100-150 miles away, so not too far. Anyway, we ended up dating, we visited each other at university, visited each other at our hometowns, etc. Seems we both fell head over heels for each other (from what I could tell). We were only together for ~6 months, but then one day he completely stopped returning my calls and texts. Obviously I was cut up, kept trying like a dick, but he never replied.
Anyway, that's all fine and normal, so gradually I forgot about him. About a year later, I got a call from his mobile number. I answered with great trepidation. It was one of his girlie friends... who told me that he had died in a car crash. And that she'd be there to talk if I needed her or something. About a week later, I got another call, saying that I should send flowers for his funeral. There was one other call I can't remember, similar shit to that.
In any case, given I knew where he lived, what uni he went to etc., I researched it - no car crash, no death mentioned anywhere in local papers, the uni site. It was all bollocks. To this day I have no idea what the intention of it was.
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On February 20 2013 01:47 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:33 levelping wrote:Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to: This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell. I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls. I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular. I did make generalizations. How exactly would I be able to talk in specifics when speaking about cultures and gender norms of behavior? Also, do a quick comparison of divorce laws and rulings in China and America, and I think you'll quickly see why I am not interested in tying the knot in America. Look at child custody rulings. There is a clear argument for why I'd find American culture poisonous to married men. I do think the Asian market is less competitive. Even in the first-tier cities of China, the vast majority are working with an income level that doesn't even begin to come close. I'm not sure why you'd try to argue this. But I'm not saying I'm going there to buy a wife. Rather, it's just an environment which I'd have a higher statistical chance of finding what I want, which is a hot atheist Chinese wife who if she leaves won't be taking half my shit and my kids with her.
Well the thing is your generalisations aren't particularly accurate. The notion of the "Traditional Chinese Bride" for example, is likely to go out of the window once you hang around the new educated generation for a significant amount of time (which I assume is your demographic). I assure you that in the event of a divorce the average Chinese woman will fight tooth and claw for what she feels she deserves (granted whether or not the law is in her favour is a separate question).
You mention that the Asian market is less competitive, and appear to draw this conclusion by the lower income level. But that seems to be premised on a shaky argument that having more income makes your chances in the dating argument better. If you are indeed planning on waving around your presumably US-level income as your main draw, then I fear that you are highly likely to end up attracting the materialistic and money hungry women that you despise.
But since you mention that you aren't buying a wife, then I am confused why you raised the issue of income level at all. So what makes you more competitive (and your higher statistical chance) in the Asian market then? Surely it's not the well documented gender imbalance in China, which will be making you compete with millions of other single Chinese men.
And finally as to the law. I would caution you on accepting what you see on the internet as authoritative of a legal system that is codified in a foreign language. You're going into an unfamiliar country and the lady you marry there will have far better connections as well as an understanding of the law and realities of the country. If anything you'll be disadvantaged, being the foreigner. As for the substantive law, a quick google suggest that a draw for you is probably the new (ish) ruling on the splitting of matrimonial assets. Which (merits aside) does seem to be in your interests. But seeing as this law is already generating a healthy amount of controversy, are you sure that it is going to be in force for the entire length of your marriage? Laws change, and I think that as Chinese women get more and more educated, it is inevitable that they begin to ask for more rights, and you can bet they will be taking the west as a role model.
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On February 20 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:49 Shelke14 wrote:
haha! you are right! It was the wrong person.. fuck, sorry. My bad!
Dumping on birthday..... thats is fucked up. My buddy just dumped his gf of 5 years on V-day. Some years ago I dumped a guy a week or something before Valentine's Day. He was head over heels for me, but although he was the loveliest person ever, he was just too "nice", he'd always agree with me when I was wrong. I got the sense that he would do something big for Valentine's Day, and I felt bad because I knew it would be big, so it made me end the relationship (it was hard, because he was so nice). I found out pretty soon after from his best friend that he'd been planning to buy tickets to Paris + hotel and shit. So thankfully I did the right thing, and saved him a shitload of money. Not a terrible story at all, just this comment reminded me of it.
You saved him considerable grief, so cheers to that haha.
I suppose a breakup can never really be "happy," but it definitely can be a lot less miserable.
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On February 20 2013 02:15 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:47 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 01:33 levelping wrote:Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to: This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell. I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls. I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular. I did make generalizations. How exactly would I be able to talk in specifics when speaking about cultures and gender norms of behavior? Also, do a quick comparison of divorce laws and rulings in China and America, and I think you'll quickly see why I am not interested in tying the knot in America. Look at child custody rulings. There is a clear argument for why I'd find American culture poisonous to married men. I do think the Asian market is less competitive. Even in the first-tier cities of China, the vast majority are working with an income level that doesn't even begin to come close. I'm not sure why you'd try to argue this. But I'm not saying I'm going there to buy a wife. Rather, it's just an environment which I'd have a higher statistical chance of finding what I want, which is a hot atheist Chinese wife who if she leaves won't be taking half my shit and my kids with her. Well the thing is your generalisations aren't particularly accurate. The notion of the "Traditional Chinese Bride" for example, is likely to go out of the window once you hang around the new educated generation for a significant amount of time (which I assume is your demographic). I assure you that in the event of a divorce the average Chinese woman will fight tooth and claw for what she feels she deserves (granted whether or not the law is in her favour is a separate question). You mention that the Asian market is less competitive, and appear to draw this conclusion by the lower income level. But that seems to be premised on a shaky argument that having more income makes your chances in the dating argument better. If you are indeed planning on waving around your presumably US-level income as your main draw, then I fear that you are highly likely to end up attracting the materialistic and money hungry women that you despise. But since you mention that you aren't buying a wife, then I am confused why you raised the issue of income level at all. So what makes you more competitive (and your higher statistical chance) in the Asian market then? Surely it's not the well documented gender imbalance in China, which will be making you compete with millions of other single Chinese men. And finally as to the law. I would caution you on accepting what you see on the internet as authoritative of a legal system that is codified in a foreign language. You're going into an unfamiliar country and the lady you marry there will have far better connections as well as an understanding of the law and realities of the country. If anything you'll be disadvantaged, being the foreigner. As for the substantive law, a quick google suggest that a draw for you is probably the new (ish) ruling on the splitting of matrimonial assets. Which (merits aside) does seem to be in your interests. But seeing as this law is already generating a healthy amount of controversy, are you sure that it is going to be in force for the entire length of your marriage? Laws change, and I think that as Chinese women get more and more educated, it is inevitable that they begin to ask for more rights, and you can bet they will be taking the west as a role model.
These are some great points. Thank you for sharing. Although, I would argue that Taiwan's court system still vastly favors men and that is a developed nation with strong ties to the USA, so I have doubts about how quickly the legal environment in China would change.
And as ugly as it is to say, there is still a significant cultural, economic, and social advantage to being born in America, as perceived by mainland women.
Lastly, I think Shady might be the one who finds gold-diggers distasteful. I don't have a problem with them at all. Their way of thinking makes sense to me. I would much rather have a woman leave me for a man with a bigger bank account than a man who made them "feel something." Money is quantifiable. Feelings are not. Therefore, to me the woman who operates based on feelings is vastly more unstable than a woman who operates on money. And what I prefer is stability.
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On February 20 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote:
Eh, the silly thing is I do kinda have a story to tell, although it's not directly related to the breakup.
Was at university, met some guy, super cute, out clubbing, he was from a university maybe 100-150 miles away, so not too far. Anyway, we ended up dating, we visited each other at university, visited each other at our hometowns, etc. Seems we both fell head over heels for each other (from what I could tell). We were only together for ~6 months, but then one day he completely stopped returning my calls and texts. Obviously I was cut up, kept trying like a dick, but he never replied.
Anyway, that's all fine and normal, so gradually I forgot about him. About a year later, I got a call from his mobile number. I answered with great trepidation. It was one of his girlie friends... who told me that he had died in a car crash. And that she'd be there to talk if I needed her or something. About a week later, I got another call, saying that I should send flowers for his funeral. There was one other call I can't remember, similar shit to that.
In any case, given I knew where he lived, what uni he went to etc., I researched it - no car crash, no death mentioned anywhere in local papers, the uni site. It was all bollocks. To this day I have no idea what the intention of it was.
LOL this story is hilarious. Thanks for sharing. It sounds like he might have had abandonment issues and ran away because he thought you were going to slip away first. Then later he kept thinking about you so he tried to stage some dramatic scenario to see if it would evoke any feelings in you and the plan went horribly wrong. LOL. This guy sounds like a total riot tbh, just not much good as a partner. Sorry that he left you in the lurch like that.
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On February 20 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
Some years ago I dumped a guy a week or something before Valentine's Day. He was head over heels for me, but although he was the loveliest person ever, he was just too "nice", he'd always agree with me when I was wrong. I got the sense that he would do something big for Valentine's Day, and I felt bad because I knew it would be big, so it made me end the relationship (it was hard, because he was so nice). I found out pretty soon after from his best friend that he'd been planning to buy tickets to Paris + hotel and shit. So thankfully I did the right thing, and saved him a shitload of money.
Not a terrible story at all, just this comment reminded me of it.
"He agreed with you when you knew you were wrong.." what?
If you know you're wrong, why not change your stance on your own? It just sounds insane to me.
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On February 20 2013 02:38 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote:
Eh, the silly thing is I do kinda have a story to tell, although it's not directly related to the breakup.
Was at university, met some guy, super cute, out clubbing, he was from a university maybe 100-150 miles away, so not too far. Anyway, we ended up dating, we visited each other at university, visited each other at our hometowns, etc. Seems we both fell head over heels for each other (from what I could tell). We were only together for ~6 months, but then one day he completely stopped returning my calls and texts. Obviously I was cut up, kept trying like a dick, but he never replied.
Anyway, that's all fine and normal, so gradually I forgot about him. About a year later, I got a call from his mobile number. I answered with great trepidation. It was one of his girlie friends... who told me that he had died in a car crash. And that she'd be there to talk if I needed her or something. About a week later, I got another call, saying that I should send flowers for his funeral. There was one other call I can't remember, similar shit to that.
In any case, given I knew where he lived, what uni he went to etc., I researched it - no car crash, no death mentioned anywhere in local papers, the uni site. It was all bollocks. To this day I have no idea what the intention of it was. LOL this story is hilarious. Thanks for sharing. It sounds like he might have had abandonment issues and ran away because he thought you were going to slip away first. Then later he kept thinking about you so he tried to stage some dramatic scenario to see if it would evoke any feelings in you and the plan went horribly wrong. LOL. This guy sounds like a total riot tbh, just not much good as a partner. Sorry that he left you in the lurch like that.
eh. I'd never thought about it like that. Thanks for the (possible) insight
It was 6-7 years ago, so it's all water under the bridge. It was all just so bizarro.
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On February 20 2013 02:41 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
Some years ago I dumped a guy a week or something before Valentine's Day. He was head over heels for me, but although he was the loveliest person ever, he was just too "nice", he'd always agree with me when I was wrong. I got the sense that he would do something big for Valentine's Day, and I felt bad because I knew it would be big, so it made me end the relationship (it was hard, because he was so nice). I found out pretty soon after from his best friend that he'd been planning to buy tickets to Paris + hotel and shit. So thankfully I did the right thing, and saved him a shitload of money.
Not a terrible story at all, just this comment reminded me of it. "He agreed with you when you knew you were wrong.." what? If you know you're wrong, why not change your stance on your own? It just sounds insane to me.
Oh. Didn't realise this would cause confusion. Like, I like my partners to be feisty to an extent. And as lovely as he was, he'd just always agree with me. So sometimes I'd just say things that I didn't believe or were evidently incorrect to see if he'd pull me up on it, and he never did. It was basically at that stage I knew I had to end it.
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On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it.
When you state :
On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread
including all women,
you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that
On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil.
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On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil.
I think he has apologized for being out of line (scroll up) so no need to belabor the point. Let's get back to the break up stories.
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On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil.
You seem to have missed the fact that I stated men should also be opportunistic, heartless sharks, and that it isn't evil, simply competitive. You see misogyny has to imply that I'm saying something terrible about women. When I'm not. Capitalist societies, like many of those in the West,have taught that being heartless, opportunistic sharks is the most profitable and effective way to go about life. That's pretty much the core philosophy of capitalism: rational, well-informed selfishness leads to the greatest quality of life for all. Therefore, really what I'm saying is that currently women are just playing the game better than men, and men should wake up to that fact instead of being emotional saps.
I have lamented the cruelty of such a life strategy. I have lamented the apparent irrationality that some women engage in when making these opportunistic decisions. I have lamented the legal environment which favors women in this power struggle, but at no point have I stated women are evil, inferior, etc anything that is misogynistic. Namely because I'm not a misogynist.
But yeah, levelping is right. I'm going to stop responding to these types of posts now. I've rebutted enough. Back to actual thread topic.
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On February 20 2013 03:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:
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Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil. You seem to have missed the fact that I stated men should also be opportunistic, heartless sharks, and that it isn't evil, simply competitive. You see misogyny has to imply that I'm saying something terrible about women. When I'm not. Capitalist societies, like many of those in the West,have taught that being heartless, opportunistic sharks is the most profitable and effective way to go about life. That's pretty much the core philosophy of capitalism: rationale, well-informed selfishness leads to the greatest quality of life for all. I have lamented the cruelty of such a life strategy. I have lamented the apparent irrationality that some women engage in when making these opportunistic decisions. I have lamented the legal environment which favors women in this power struggle, but at no point have I stated women are evil, inferior, etc anything that is misogynistic. Namely because I'm not a misogynist.
Well put.
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On February 19 2013 02:02 Pleiades wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 01:59 Garfailed wrote:
I've never had a break-up, as i've never had a girlfriend, only like, one night thingy's.
and im 18, feel kind of pathetic lol Don't worry dude, you're still young. You got several years to hit up places and talk to girls. If they reject you, you'll likely not see them again and find new ones.
Thanks for the comment
Good to hear such a thing sometimes
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On February 20 2013 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
Oh. Didn't realise this would cause confusion. Like, I like my partners to be feisty to an extent. And as lovely as he was, he'd just always agree with me. So sometimes I'd just say things that I didn't believe or were evidently incorrect to see if he'd pull me up on it, and he never did. It was basically at that stage I knew I had to end it.
Ahh okay. Sounds way better but still a bit like sabotage/testing. Is there not a way to handle such a thing better? Like tell him, that he agrees way too much?
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On February 20 2013 03:12 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
Oh. Didn't realise this would cause confusion. Like, I like my partners to be feisty to an extent. And as lovely as he was, he'd just always agree with me. So sometimes I'd just say things that I didn't believe or were evidently incorrect to see if he'd pull me up on it, and he never did. It was basically at that stage I knew I had to end it.
Ahh okay. Sounds way better but still a bit like sabotage/testing. Is there not a way to handle such a thing better? Like tell him, that he agrees way too much?
Maybe. He'd probably just agree with that though.
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On February 20 2013 03:05 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:
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Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil. You seem to have missed the fact that I stated men should also be opportunistic, heartless sharks, and that it isn't evil, simply competitive. You see misogyny has to imply that I'm saying something terrible about women. When I'm not. Capitalist societies, like many of those in the West,have taught that being heartless, opportunistic sharks is the most profitable and effective way to go about life. That's pretty much the core philosophy of capitalism: rationale, well-informed selfishness leads to the greatest quality of life for all. I have lamented the cruelty of such a life strategy. I have lamented the apparent irrationality that some women engage in when making these opportunistic decisions. I have lamented the legal environment which favors women in this power struggle, but at no point have I stated women are evil, inferior, etc anything that is misogynistic. Namely because I'm not a misogynist. Well put.
Not really. Saying that all women are opportunistic, heartless sharks is misogynistic and strongly implies that they are evil (these are negative characteristics). Turning around and saying "ah yes, but then I say that all men should be just as evil to even the playing field" doesn't change the meaning of his first claim, that all women share this same group of negative characteristics. If I claimed all Jews were greedy and untrustworthy and then said that other people should also be greedy because capitalism and what is trust really anyway that wouldn't make my first claim not racist.
SamsungStar makes broad and unproven negative generalisations about groups based on a mixture of bad science, anecdotal evidence and naked prejudice, hence why he resorts to meaningless deflections such as "white knight" when called out on it.
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oh snap kwark busts out with exactly what we're all thinking but lack the powers of articulation to express (or maybe just me). 5 stars.
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I once dated a girl for two weeks before I realized she was completely nuts and broke up with her. A week later she tried to run me over with her Jeep.
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SamsungStar has a big of logic though. He does unfortunately happen to use too much terminology like "white knight" which , somewhat in terms of normal human thinking, makes him "lose credibility".
On the other hand, his abstracted and generic model does prove fairly consistent. That's if you take the statements he uses.
Remember, Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Any theory may not be both complete and consistent. But an inconsistent theory is useless because everything is true.
He's somewhat true in stating that it might be possible that it would be easier to move to an Asian culture. Partially because the monetary value of American currency might completely overshadow the utility calculation functions of countries without a strong economy. Of course, then SamsungStar probably would've made a better point by saying he would have a better chance at places where his competition had an economic disadvantage.
On the other hand, it just so happens that a majority of people in Asian countries do *have* a weaker economy for the median and average human being.
Although I digress, but, once you get "smarter", yes, you can bicker on how a person is this and that, but that's really pointless in information gathering. Just make it your goal to hold your own consistent theory in the head and view each post as information to test your consistent theory. Or in Starcraft 2 terms ... your "build" =P
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On February 20 2013 03:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:05 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 03:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off.
Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil. You seem to have missed the fact that I stated men should also be opportunistic, heartless sharks, and that it isn't evil, simply competitive. You see misogyny has to imply that I'm saying something terrible about women. When I'm not. Capitalist societies, like many of those in the West,have taught that being heartless, opportunistic sharks is the most profitable and effective way to go about life. That's pretty much the core philosophy of capitalism: rationale, well-informed selfishness leads to the greatest quality of life for all. I have lamented the cruelty of such a life strategy. I have lamented the apparent irrationality that some women engage in when making these opportunistic decisions. I have lamented the legal environment which favors women in this power struggle, but at no point have I stated women are evil, inferior, etc anything that is misogynistic. Namely because I'm not a misogynist. Well put. Not really. Saying that all women are opportunistic, heartless sharks is misogynistic and strongly implies that they are evil (these are negative characteristics). Turning around and saying "ah yes, but then I say that all men should be just as evil to even the playing field" doesn't change the meaning of his first claim, that all women share this same group of negative characteristics. If I claimed all Jews were greedy and untrustworthy and then said that other people should also be greedy because capitalism and what is trust really anyway that wouldn't make my first claim not racist. SamsungStar makes broad and unproven negative generalisations about groups based on a mixture of bad science, anecdotal evidence and naked prejudice, hence why he resorts to meaningless deflections such as "white knight" when called out on it.
Kwark you seem unable to comprehend a viewpoint different from your own. I've stated quite clearly that I do not find heartless opportunism to be evil. Evil, to me, is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Harming others when there is no tangible benefit to one's self. Heartless opportunism, in a capitalistic society, is just being smart and playing by the rules. Just because you think those things are evil doesn't mean I think so. Therefore, what you find to be misogynist is not necessarily so. You should realize you're projecting your own views onto others, then judging them based on your own personal definition of things, which is an inherently illogical way of debating. For me to be misogynist, I would have to be accusing women of something I find to be negative.
And you continue with these horribly inaccurate analogies. I'm not sure why. I never claimed all women were this way, which is why your analogy is so bad. I did claim there is a social movement/trend currently encouraging women towards this sort of behavior, a change that is well documented by more authoritative sources than me.
You're trying to claim I made broad statements inclusive of all women, when I have from the very beginning made it clear that I am talking about social and cultural influences on modern women, and NOT statements about the fundamental nature of women. Hence why I continued on in the thread to make statements like wanting to find a more traditional wife with more traditional concepts of monogamy. If I was a misogynist, I would not want a wife at all and would say that all women are heartless sharks and not to be trusted. I never did and never will.
In summary, you continue to make specific and unproven prejudiced statements towards me based on nothing more than your own misguided notions of what I've said, which is why you continue to belabor the same point over and over with little more than a variance in sentence structure. To top it off, you end with yet another patently false statement. I've done a hell of a lot more than just respond with "white knight" to critiques.
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On February 20 2013 04:07 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:17 KwarK wrote:On February 20 2013 03:05 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 03:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 02:56 Thurken wrote:On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:
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I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it. When you state : On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread including all women, you have to be a good lawyer to claim you didn't explicitly state misogyny, or that On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:
I never once claimed all women were evil. You seem to have missed the fact that I stated men should also be opportunistic, heartless sharks, and that it isn't evil, simply competitive. You see misogyny has to imply that I'm saying something terrible about women. When I'm not. Capitalist societies, like many of those in the West,have taught that being heartless, opportunistic sharks is the most profitable and effective way to go about life. That's pretty much the core philosophy of capitalism: rationale, well-informed selfishness leads to the greatest quality of life for all. I have lamented the cruelty of such a life strategy. I have lamented the apparent irrationality that some women engage in when making these opportunistic decisions. I have lamented the legal environment which favors women in this power struggle, but at no point have I stated women are evil, inferior, etc anything that is misogynistic. Namely because I'm not a misogynist. Well put. Not really. Saying that all women are opportunistic, heartless sharks is misogynistic and strongly implies that they are evil (these are negative characteristics). Turning around and saying "ah yes, but then I say that all men should be just as evil to even the playing field" doesn't change the meaning of his first claim, that all women share this same group of negative characteristics. If I claimed all Jews were greedy and untrustworthy and then said that other people should also be greedy because capitalism and what is trust really anyway that wouldn't make my first claim not racist. SamsungStar makes broad and unproven negative generalisations about groups based on a mixture of bad science, anecdotal evidence and naked prejudice, hence why he resorts to meaningless deflections such as "white knight" when called out on it. Kwark you seem unable to comprehend a viewpoint different from your own. I've stated quite clearly that I do not find heartless opportunism to be evil. Evil, to me, is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Harming others when there is no tangible benefit to one's self. Heartless opportunism, in a capitalistic society, is just being smart and playing by the rules. Just because you think those things are evil doesn't mean I think so. Therefore, what you find to be misogynist is not necessarily so. You should realize you're projecting your own views onto others, then judging them based on your own personal definition of things, which is an inherently illogical way of debating. For me to be misogynist, I would have to be accusing women of something I find to be negative. And you continue with these horribly inaccurate analogies. I'm not sure why. I never claimed all women were this way, which is why your analogy is so bad. I did claim there is a social movement/trend currently encouraging women towards this sort of behavior, a change that is well documented by more authoritative sources than me. You're trying to claim I made broad statements inclusive of all women, when I have from the very beginning made it clear that I am talking about social and cultural influences on modern women, and NOT statements about the fundamental nature of women. Hence why I continued on in the thread to make statements like wanting to find a more traditional wife with more traditional concepts of monogamy. If I was a misogynist, I would not want a wife at all and would say that all women are heartless sharks and not to be trusted. I never did and never will. In summary, you continue to make specific and unproven prejudiced statements towards me based on nothing more than your own misguided notions of what I've said, which is why you continue to belabor the same point over and over with little more than a variance in sentence structure. To top it off, you end with yet another patently false statement. I've done a hell of a lot more than just respond with "white knight" to critiques.
"Jews are greedy and untrustworthy. Wait, why are you calling me racist, I didn't say greedy was bad, I don't mind greed, that's your projection on what I said".
Nope, it doesn't work that way. These are commonly understood to be negative attributes and, no matter how much you try to hide the implications of what you're saying, you must be aware that these are understood to be negative attributes. You're engaging in semantics but you're not nearly as clever as you think you are. If you wish to only be understood by yourself you can just think to yourself, you're writing on a forum using words which you intend to be read by others and therefore you pick the words which you think will best convey your meaning. If you pick descriptive words which have negative meanings in the minds of everyone but you then you are to blame for the negative meanings of what you wrote. If you want to talk to yourself in your own language then I recommend silence.
No source for this social movement other than a vague claim to an authority.
Regarding the fundamental nature of women, you have taken anecdotal evidence of women doing shitty things and then claimed that it is part of a wider problem of women being able to do things which you ultimately conclude is the issue, rather than the fact that some women do shitty things. Your conclusion is that if a society empowers women then they fuck men over, you actually make this argument when you say you want to move to a society that favours men and the traditional male dominated family to marry. If your argument is that an empowered woman will fuck you over then your starting assumption must be that all women want to fuck you over.
You've not added a shred of evidence in response to me describing your argument as weak anecdotal evidence coupled with bad science and naked prejudice. You strayed slightly into that region when you brought up some authority but didn't linger. You should work on that.
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If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that.
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Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry.
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On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry.
Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain.
Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
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On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that.
Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism.
Just because you personally consider something to be not evil doesn't make it not evil. A delusional evil person might think he is doing good for women when he rapes them because they might bear his children, that doesn't make him not evil and it doesn't make him not delusional.
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On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism.
That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions.
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On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions.
But he's saying your valuation system is completely wrong (and has provided a compelling argument), which is therefore why your argument that your valuation systems are simply different is falling flat on its face. You are hereby in a situation where, in order to argue that your position is correct, you need to validate your own valuation system, which you have not done.
Relativity is completely idiotic. Just because you like your own valuation system does not make it equally valid to that of everyone else.
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On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions.
A subjective difference in which you think calling women heartless isn't in any way a criticism of them, especially when the topic of the conversation is their value in relationships and family life, and your defence of heartless being fine in relationships and family life is that many cutthroat businesses might encourage that behaviour in the corporate world.
Literally nothing about what you're saying makes any kind of sense. Heartless is always a criticism of their ability to form meaningful relationships because we associate the heart with love. And the worst part is you know that, that's why this is such a colossal waste of time, because you're trapped in this argument that being heartless isn't a negative attribute and don't know how to give in.
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On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:
Morality is not subjective.
Sorry I don't want to get involved in this argument, as this thread has been derailed enough.
But I just saw this and said "what..."
I've never seen a convincing argument(read, non-religious) that morality is not, in some form, ,subjective. Sam Harris is currently doing an ok job of trying to link morality with science, but I don't think even he would claim he has removed all subjectivity from the issue.
I'm wondering who/where you got this idea from. You can just PM me if you want, so as not to clog up this thread more.
If your argument is going to involve religious inspiration then never mind. You'll just be wasting both our time.
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Samsung...do you happen to be a fan of Nietzsche, Rand, nihilism, or anything similar?
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On February 20 2013 04:52 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions. But he's saying your valuation system is completely wrong (and has provided a compelling argument), which is therefore why your argument that your valuation systems are imply different is falling flat on its face. You are hereby in a situation where, in order to argue that your position is correct, you need to validate your own valuation system, which you have not done.
No, he really hasn't, seeing as he lives in the UK and enjoys a quality of life brought about by a capitalist country enriched by many centuries of heartless opportunism. I really don't think I need to make an argument for capitalism or for the accumulation of material wealth or for moving to a country where I have a better bargaining position. I'd think the virtues of making decisions for the benefit of one's self to be self-explanatory.
But, again, Kwark and I have butted heads on this issue multiple times before and we're never going to see eye-to-eye so there really isn't any point in continuing. I can probably already anticipate his counter-argument to what I've just said, which is that a citizen of a nation-state is not the nation-state and cannot be associated with or judged by the actions of the nation-state to which said citizen belongs. And I will never agree with him, because to me citizenship in a country is not compulsory. In today's day and age, you have choice. The choice that as a citizen with enough economic means to emigrate, you can opt out of the system and enter a new one. Therefore, by your continued participation and funding of said system as a tax-paying citizen, you are in fact an enabler and supporter of that nation's policies. And he'll tell me I'm wrong and crazy and an idiot and nobody agrees with me. And I'll tell him he's wrong.
So, really, let's just save everyone the trouble and accept that Kwark and I will never agree on much and that there is really no reason to get angry over people having different opinions. Just as he thinks it is wrong for me to get upset or complain that certain women hold different opinions than I do on what is a proper way to conduct or end a relationship.
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On February 20 2013 04:52 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions. But he's saying your valuation system is completely wrong (and has provided a compelling argument), which is therefore why your argument that your valuation systems are simply different is falling flat on its face. You are hereby in a situation where, in order to argue that your position is correct, you need to validate your own valuation system, which you have not done. Relativity is completely idiotic. Just because you like your own valuation system does not make it equally valid to that of everyone else.
You continue to miss the point. And that's far more idiotic than relativity. I did not claim my valuation system was equally valid. There's no way to even quantify the validity of any valuation system. What I did say is that if you call someone a misogynist the burden falls on you to prove that person had a negative intention behind his description of the female gender. That is where my valuation system comes into play, because to define my intentions one must use my valuation system, not their own.
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On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry. Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain. Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
"This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls.
"Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships.
Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up.
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On February 20 2013 04:54 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions. A subjective difference in which you think calling women heartless isn't in any way a criticism of them, especially when the topic of the conversation is their value in relationships and family life, and your defence of heartless being fine in relationships and family life is that many cutthroat businesses might encourage that behaviour in the corporate world. Literally nothing about what you're saying makes any kind of sense. Heartless is always a criticism of their ability to form meaningful relationships because we associate the heart with love. And the worst part is you know that, that's why this is such a colossal waste of time, because you're trapped in this argument that being heartless isn't a negative attribute and don't know how to give in.
Yes, you're right. Heartlessness is a criticism of their ability to form meaningful relationships. But it is not a critique of them altogether as a human being. I can say someone is a fantastic artist and they get really caught up in their own world when they are painting portraits, but they are absolutely terrible at pet-sitting. Just as a woman might be expert at fulfilling her own needs, but not very good at being a girlfriend.
It is no more than a critique of ONE of their many roles as an individual, not a denunciation of them altogether. And I have repeatedly stated that this behavior is not encompassing of all women, nor that it is inherent in their nature, but rather that society, culture, and the current legal framework in America is encouraging that sort of behavior. It is no worse than saying if you build it, they will come.
If you take the bold step to label me a misogynist, the burden is on you to prove there is irrational, monolithic hate expressed by me. Otherwise, you're being irresponsible in your accusations.
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On February 20 2013 05:02 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:52 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:50 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:45 Whitewing wrote:On February 20 2013 04:34 SamsungStar wrote:
If you want to engage in blatant falsehoods, that's your choice. But don't expect me to agree with you. There's really nothing more to say in this situation. You can insist on your distorted version of reality and life will go on. I hope one day you understand that morality is subjective, and there is no such thing as a commonly understood definition of good and evil. It has nothing to do with cleverness. It has everything to do with your closed mind and your inability to see beyond absolute extremes. I recommend you work on that. Morality is not subjective. Our understanding of it might be flawed and colored by our subjective bias, but people are wrong all the time about moral decisions. Newsflash: opinions can be wrong. There is such a thing as a stupid opinion. You should look into Consequentialism. That is not what's being discussed here. Kwark and I have two different systems of valuation. He's insisting I made a negative remark based upon his own valuation system. I've repeatedly told him that in my valuation system it is not negative, it is simply an effective strategy for the current social climate. Therefore, what we have is a subjective difference in defining the value of terms, whereas he claims the terms are objective. This is not about whether or not an opinion is stupid. It is about the original intention behind the voicing of certain opinions. But he's saying your valuation system is completely wrong (and has provided a compelling argument), which is therefore why your argument that your valuation systems are imply different is falling flat on its face. You are hereby in a situation where, in order to argue that your position is correct, you need to validate your own valuation system, which you have not done. No, he really hasn't, seeing as he lives in the UK and enjoys a quality of life brought about by a capitalist country enriched by many centuries of heartless opportunism. I really don't think I need to make an argument for capitalism or for the accumulation of material wealth or for moving to a country where I have a better bargaining position. I'd think the virtues of making decisions for the benefit of one's self to be self-explanatory. But, again, Kwark and I have butted heads on this issue multiple times before and we're never going to see eye-to-eye so there really isn't any point in continuing. I can probably already anticipate his counter-argument to what I've just said, which is that a citizen of a nation-state is not the nation-state and cannot be associated with or judged by the actions of the nation-state to which said citizen belongs. And I will never agree with him, because to me citizenship in a country is not compulsory. In today's day and age, you have choice. The choice that as a citizen with enough economic means to emigrate, you can opt out of the system and enter a new one. Therefore, by your continued participation and funding of said system as a tax-paying citizen, you are in fact an enabler and supporter of that nation's policies. And he'll tell me I'm wrong and crazy and an idiot and nobody agrees with me. And I'll tell him he's wrong. So, really, let's just save everyone the trouble and accept that Kwark and I will never agree on much and that there is really no reason to get angry over people having different opinions. Just as he thinks it is wrong for me to get upset or complain that certain women hold different opinions than I do on what is a proper way to conduct or end a relationship.
Relationships should not be run in the same manner that the British Empire was accumulated. Again, I'm not entirely sure how you're thinking this is a matter of opinion. You're getting increasingly absurd now but I think your logic, as best as I can follow it, goes as follows.
Being heartless in a relationship and with your family isn't bad because...
- heartless isn't always bad, actually in the corporate world it can be quite handy and remember the old saying "treat your children like you treat your hated business rivals"
- capitalism is heartless, the British Empire involved capitalism, you're British and therefore you are the British Empire (you disagree on this but I'm going to pre-emptively say I know you disagree so that I can make that logical jump without anyone complaining) and therefore, through the transitive property, you are capitalism and therefore heartless and therefore you agree with heartless and therefore you are me.
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On February 20 2013 05:07 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry. Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain. Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you? "This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls. "Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships. Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up.
Can you point out to me the point in there where I said all women? And uh yeah, I've said from the very beginning that cold-hearted opportunism is BAD for relationships. What it's NOT bad for is the woman's own self-interests. There is a huge difference between the two. Hence, why from the beginning I've advocated men also turn to cold-hearted opportunism to advance THEIR own self-interests, because we live in a society that promotes self-interest.
Your analysis is just awful. So is your interpretation of my dialogue with Kukaracha. He was flexing his e-peen when he made several derisive remarks towards me and talked about how successful he is in life, etc. Had nothing to do with living happily with a nice gf. But cherrypicking to push your own agenda is obviously your drug of choice, so keep on keeping on.
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This thread has too much arguing and gender politics, and not enough stories. I'll tell my 2nd worst breakup story to get us back on track. This one's far less depressing than my last one, I promise.
Intro:
+ Show Spoiler +In my early 20s I was fairly into blogging, and one of the blogs I happened to friend back then was a woman named Charlotte, who happened to live fairly close by. We tossed flirty messages back and forth for months before deciding to meet up. On Valentine's Day of all days for a first date. Well, when I met up with her, let's just say her photo didn't match her appearance for one, and she's definitely one of the types that had to be in front of her keyboard and have time to think up something witty -- she was quite slow on her feet. I went to her apartment to pick her up, and got to sit and chill with her roommates while she was getting ready. One of the girls she was living with was named Anne. Anne, on the other hand, had a sharp tongue and the geek cred to match -- I saw Dragonlance novels on the bookshelf, and when she claimed they were hers, I knew I had to get to know her a little better.
Went to see a movie (nooooooooo) with Charlotte (double nooooooooo) and it was 2 hours of just pure misery. Not to mention I'd already seen the movie before, but being Valentine's Day, the only movie she wanted to see was Hitch. Being a gentleman, I toughed it out. Needless to say, Charlotte and I weren't clicking at all. Did I mention that through this whole day I was fighting a headcold and trying to find a good excuse to go home?
I ended up somehow spending the whole day at their apartment, playing cards, board games, watching movies, etc. At one point, there ended up being a water pistol fight where Anne and myself got teamed up against Charlotte and their other roommate. Well, we got holed up in her bedroom holding off the onslaught, got to talking, and before we knew it, the rest of the house was asleep. Anne and I talked until something like 3am, where we kissed (and yes, she totally caught my cold and was sick for a week after this -- of which I heard no end of.) and I left.
Intro TL;DR: Pulled off a perfectly executed roommate switch on the day I met her. It was a thing of beauty.
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Story to break-up:
+ Show Spoiler +Anne was every bit the geek I expected her to be -- very much a bookworm, played D&D, gaming nerd, the whole works. She was also devoutly religious. Problem for some, but being the same religion as she, plus being in an area where that's pretty much the norm, wasn't even an issue.
Until about a month later...
We'd been on a few dates by then, had fooled around a bit, and I could tell I was the more experienced of the two this time around (as in, she had zero). One night, we got back from a date night at the local gaming store, the mood was just right, we started making out, and really getting into it. All of her roommates were gone, home for the weekend or something, where we knew we had the place to ourselves.
I led her into the bedroom, we started stripping each other down, I went down on her, she went down on me (her first time, had to guide her a bit), and then when I was about to move things a little further....
"WAIT, wait wait, hold on..."
Both of us naked, sweating, turned on, she's wet as can be and I'm ready to go myself, and she goes on a diatribe about how she really believes she should save herself for marriage (not completely unexpected....), and how she didn't think she could help herself around me (ok.....?), and that she needed to break it off with me before she did something she would regret. (...............)
How exactly do you react to that? I mean, we'd only been dating a month, so I hadn't had time to become really "in love" or anything yet, but maybe you could come to that conclusion sometime *before* we're naked and about to have sex, right?
Of course, I got dressed, while she's sitting there just repeating how sorry she is, and how she "couldn't stand to be touched by anyone, until she met me and I changed all that" and all this stuff, but was still breaking up with me. It was an extremely awkward few minutes, for sure.
I haven't talked to her since that night, but from what I hear from our mutual friends, she ended up marrying the next guy she dated in something like 4 months. And divorcing him a year later.
Less attachment, shorter story, that's why it doesn't make the #1. Thinking now, this might actually be #3 or 4 on the list.
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On February 20 2013 05:40 ArcticFox wrote:
This thread has too much arguing and gender politics, and not enough stories. I'll tell my 2nd worst breakup story to get us back on track. This one's far less depressing than my last one, I promise.
You're right. I'll stick to this and enforce it. Let's get it back on topic.
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On February 20 2013 05:42 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:17 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 05:07 Ghostcom wrote:On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry. Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain. Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you? "This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls. "Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships. Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up. Can you point out to me the point in there where I said all women? And uh yeah, I've said from the very beginning that cold-hearted opportunism is BAD for relationships. What it's NOT bad for is the woman's own self-interests. There is a huge difference between the two. Hence, why from the beginning I've advocated men also turn to cold-hearted opportunism to advance THEIR own self-interests, because we live in a society that promotes self-interest. Your analysis is just awful. So is your interpretation of my dialogue with Kukaracha. He was flexing his e-peen when he made several derisive remarks towards me and talked about how successful he is in life, etc. Had nothing to do with living happily with a nice gf. But cherrypicking to push your own agenda is obviously your drug of choice, so keep on keeping on. If a guy came up to you and said: "The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales" as an agreement to another guy saying "woman are just out to screw you over" would you honestly not take that as to mean all women? Are you communicative skills really that terrible? Do you even have a straight face right now? And Kukaracha was not flexing his e-peen - he was giving you an anecdote about how you were wrong in your generalization as a counter to the anecdote on which you based it on. For some reasons your anecdotes are the only ones worth anything though and everyone else is either whiteknighting, facepalm-worthy, bright-eyed bushy tailed, or using the wrong premises. The best part is how you are now trying to use the morals are subjective card and we shouldn't judge you by ours - yet throughout this thread you have had no problems about calling others naive for their morals and declare society to be rotten and decaying because it does not conform to your ideas - and to top it all of we should all feel sorry for you for you not being able to date "boring" girls. You then proceed to outright dismiss everyone who stated that they were able to find all you described in a stable relationship. You have nothing to support your arguments. You might not be a misogynist, but you are a very sad little man who throughout this thread has done his very best to belittle those of us who have a differing view on women from yours. Who believe that women are no worse than men, that their actions are easily as logical as mens and that no, the vast majority of them are in fact not out to screw over their male counterparts. I feel incredibly sorry for you.
This thread is about anecdotal experiences. I shared my own anecdotal experiences. Then I gave my opinion for why I think those experiences came about. Then suddenly the white knights descended to tell me I was wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences, and that when I shared them I was referring to all women.
If you can't see how that's insane, then you're the one I feel incredibly sorry for.
Edit: I will abide by Kwark's latest post and stop going off-topic. This is my last post not related to actual thread title.
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here's somethin that isn't the "worst", but has a touch of karma to it :D
back in senior year of high school, 2 friends of mine (boy and girl) really liked each other and the guy asked the girl to prom on valentines day by making a poster and putting it on the fence surrounding the tennis field where the girl practiced. they happily got with one another until around a month before prom.
the girl then decides to cheat on the guy, and i knew about it but couldn't bring myself to tell him, (they were both my friends...). feeling bad for the guy, i asked another of my friends if she could go to prom with the guy, knowing that eventually either she will tell him, or i will have to. unfortunately, he finds out himself while hanging out with me and some friends in town and seeing the girl entering the movies with the other guy. he gets all angry and pissed about it, but absolves to be a gentlemen about it and goes to break up with the girl. the girl, having already seen the other guy for over a month, doesn't care in the least, and the guy decides not to attend prom. my other friend, jess, who i asked earlier voluntarily approaches him and asks him out to prom, and he agrees after a bit of persuasion, (both by me and jess).
the girl who cheated on my friend resumes going out with the other guy jake. eventually jake gets around to asking the girl out to prom, but does so by just saying "you're going to prom with me right?". the girl, apparently spoiled by my friend(?) gets angry at jake and starts b*tching out on facebook about how jake is lazy and uncreative. jake hardly cares, breaks up with her, and quickly snatches up a different date for prom. at the end, we all stopped talking to the girl, and she wasted her dress that she rented for prom 3 months prior, while we all happily went to prom and enjoyed after prom in florida.
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My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.
So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it
Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.
Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text.
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On February 20 2013 05:40 ArcticFox wrote:This thread has too much arguing and gender politics, and not enough stories. I'll tell my 2nd worst breakup story to get us back on track. This one's far less depressing than my last one, I promise.
Intro:+ Show Spoiler +In my early 20s I was fairly into blogging, and one of the blogs I happened to friend back then was a woman named Charlotte, who happened to live fairly close by. We tossed flirty messages back and forth for months before deciding to meet up. On Valentine's Day of all days for a first date. Well, when I met up with her, let's just say her photo didn't match her appearance for one, and she's definitely one of the types that had to be in front of her keyboard and have time to think up something witty -- she was quite slow on her feet. I went to her apartment to pick her up, and got to sit and chill with her roommates while she was getting ready. One of the girls she was living with was named Anne. Anne, on the other hand, had a sharp tongue and the geek cred to match -- I saw Dragonlance novels on the bookshelf, and when she claimed they were hers, I knew I had to get to know her a little better.
Went to see a movie (nooooooooo) with Charlotte (double nooooooooo) and it was 2 hours of just pure misery. Not to mention I'd already seen the movie before, but being Valentine's Day, the only movie she wanted to see was Hitch. Being a gentleman, I toughed it out. Needless to say, Charlotte and I weren't clicking at all. Did I mention that through this whole day I was fighting a headcold and trying to find a good excuse to go home?
I ended up somehow spending the whole day at their apartment, playing cards, board games, watching movies, etc. At one point, there ended up being a water pistol fight where Anne and myself got teamed up against Charlotte and their other roommate. Well, we got holed up in her bedroom holding off the onslaught, got to talking, and before we knew it, the rest of the house was asleep. Anne and I talked until something like 3am, where we kissed (and yes, she totally caught my cold and was sick for a week after this -- of which I heard no end of.) and I left. Pulled off a perfectly executed roommate switch on the day I met her. It was a thing of beauty. --------------------------------------------------- Story to break-up:+ Show Spoiler +Anne was every bit the geek I expected her to be -- very much a bookworm, played D&D, gaming nerd, the whole works. She was also devoutly religious. Problem for some, but being the same religion as she, plus being in an area where that's pretty much the norm, wasn't even an issue.
Until about a month later...
We'd been on a few dates by then, had fooled around a bit, and I could tell I was the more experienced of the two this time around (as in, she had zero). One night, we got back from a date night at the local gaming store, the mood was just right, we started making out, and really getting into it. All of her roommates were gone, home for the weekend or something, where we knew we had the place to ourselves.
I led her into the bedroom, we started stripping each other down, I went down on her, she went down on me (her first time, had to guide her a bit), and then when I was about to move things a little further....
"WAIT, wait wait, hold on..."
Both of us naked, sweating, turned on, she's wet as can be and I'm ready to go myself, and she goes on a diatribe about how she really believes she should save herself for marriage (not completely unexpected....), and how she didn't think she could help herself around me (ok.....?), and that she needed to break it off with me before she did something she would regret. (...............)
How exactly do you react to that? I mean, we'd only been dating a month, so I hadn't had time to become really "in love" or anything yet, but maybe you could come to that conclusion sometime *before* we're naked and about to have sex, right?
Of course, I got dressed, while she's sitting there just repeating how sorry she is, and how she "couldn't stand to be touched by anyone, until she met me and I changed all that" and all this stuff, but was still breaking up with me. It was an extremely awkward few minutes, for sure.
I haven't talked to her since that night, but from what I hear from our mutual friends, she ended up marrying the next guy she dated in something like 4 months. And divorcing him a year later.
Less attachment, shorter story, that's why it doesn't make the #1. Thinking now, this might actually be #3 or 4 on the list.
I think it is interesting to discuss the prospect of individuals who hold the value of waiting for marriage before they have sex. If that is what you want to do then all the power to you but I find a good amount then rush their relationships and get married too quickly just to do it. Then after a few months the couples don't get along the same and divorce just as fast as they got married. Am I wrong on this train of thought?
This Anne chick sounds really cool but I think you might have dodged a bullet.
TOO ADD: @Xiao.... That chick got everything she deserved! The difference between USA and Canada is I find Americans put way more thought into prom than Canadians. Our prom was awesome don't get me wrong, everyone got suits/dresses for the occasion but it wasn't put on as pedestal quite like what I read about in American high schools.
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Worst breakup... 5 minutes ago with the best girl I've ever known in my entire life. I just didn't love her anymore... So after 2 years I decided to let her go and allow some other guy to give her what I could never...
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On February 20 2013 01:24 Shelke14 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:17 Telcontar wrote:
I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there..... Alright, I'll bite........... You have got my attention with that line, please details.
Oh, I was just talking about the whole Oscar Pistorius affair. Of course I don't know cases of that nature by first or even second hand experience. Not sure if the killing was premeditated or an accident, but I doubt there are more tragic ways to end a relationship.
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On February 20 2013 07:45 MattBarry wrote:
My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.
So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it
Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.
Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text.
Wait, I don't get it. He was your best friend or your bro? And why was the Chinese guy there? How did he respond to the girl sitting in front? And why didn't he dance with her at prom? Did he try and get rejected or? She probably should have been honest about it before prom and been more gracious about the breakup afterwards but these are kids so oh well. At least your Chinese friend was real nice and got you all dinner!
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On February 20 2013 11:26 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 07:45 MattBarry wrote:
My story starts with a friend of mine. He's been my best friend since we were in 6th grade, but I have to acknowledge that he's a fucking pussy when it comes to women. He lives about 30 miles away and goes to a different school but me and my friends from school play SC2, LoL, and whatever game floats our boat together since the beginning of high school so we're one big happy family. But come junior year, a sophmore girl shows interest in him. He's a shy type, pretty smart guy but not too adept with women. He's pretty excited to tell the rest of our group that he's got a date to prom.
So I go to his prom cause he's my bro and I also want to hang out with the people I've been gaming with for 3 years. Only one person from our group of friends, a Chinese guy, so we ride around with him. We also go eat at his restaurant before prom. So basically she meets us at Chinese guy's restaurant. Her and I pretty much instantly dislike each other, she was a conceited bitch but we have a fun dinner. But the first issue started as we left, she darts in front of me and sits in the front with our Chinese friend. I stare at my bro with a what the fuck look. He's pretty ambivalent seemingly. So I have a blast talking to him in the back while we ride to the prom itself. Bitch don't even dance with him, almost completely ignores him. I'm not a dancer so I'm just hanging out with some people I knew so I found this all out later otherwise I would've called her out on it
Later that night, when what happened was relayed to me I started talking to him about it. He was pretty pissed when he finally opened up about it. He calls her up and she says he's boring and he used him as a ticket to go to prom because after a few weeks of dating she felt nothing for him. What a fucking cunt.
Admittedly though, I went through his texts (with his permission) and god he is boring when he talked to her. I almost read it in Microsoft fucking Sam from the lifelessness in it's text. Wait, I don't get it. He was your best friend or your bro? And why was the Chinese guy there? How did he respond to the girl sitting in front? And why didn't he dance with her at prom? Did he try and get rejected or? She probably should have been honest about it before prom and been more gracious about the breakup afterwards but these are kids so oh well. At least your Chinese friend was real nice and got you all dinner!
I just call him my bro cause we're close like brother. Yeah, we were going to pay for the meal but his mom is like the sweetest lady ever. Yeah he tried and got rejected, I sort of expect him to act like a pussy though
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Mine was self caused.
Basically I was in a relationship that was doomed to end (she will soon be going off to canada for college) and we had tenatively agreed to continue our relationship until she left (sometime in aug.) Basically, unknown to me, I was getting rather clingy around her and she didnt like that, she wasnt particularly great at communicating things to me so I, being the oblivious bumbling idiot that I am didnt notice or catch on. When she finally said it needed to end, I dragged it out two more weeks saying I would fix things when I was unaware of the problems, then I dragged it on two more with a "break" where I broke the silence early and pissed her off to no end.
Tl;DR she basically doesnt even want to be freinds with me anymore and I miss the hell out of her, considering I thought we would be life-long friends.
Sigh...
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On February 20 2013 12:24 Maasked wrote:
Mine was self caused.
Basically I was in a relationship that was doomed to end (she will soon be going off to canada for college) and we had tenatively agreed to continue our relationship until she left (sometime in aug.) Basically, unknown to me, I was getting rather clingy around her and she didnt like that, she wasnt particularly great at communicating things to me so I, being the oblivious bumbling idiot that I am didnt notice or catch on. When she finally said it needed to end, I dragged it out two more weeks saying I would fix things when I was unaware of the problems, then I dragged it on two more with a "break" where I broke the silence early and pissed her off to no end.
Tl;DR she basically doesnt even want to be freinds with me anymore and I miss the hell out of her, considering I thought we would be life-long friends.
Sigh...
i feel ya man. I broke up with a girl 2 years ago who was going to school 5 hours away and shit wasn't working. still miss her, even though we haven't spoken, apart from me texting her when her friend died, in 2 years. I keep wanting to reach out to her, but I know she'll reject me...
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Breaking up before a big day like bday or vday or christmas is horrible, but I guess it works out for the better in the long run
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I'll tell a story I've briefly recapped in a blog of mine.
I started dating a girl senior year of high school, things were brilliant. We clicked, so much so that when she opted to go to school in Chicago and I decided to stay in Minneapolis I wanted to make it work. For two and half years, one of which she spent in Illinois, we migrated back and forth until she ultimately moved back to the Twin Cities. In the course of those years, we split up twice, both were initiated by me.
The first was me being 18 and stupid, the second was me being 20 and stupid.
ca. 2009 things started to hit rocky territory. She had few friends, and by that I mean ≈3, beyond me. I took issue with this and things had hit a definite plateau. Her having no social outlets beyond me posed serious issues to both her and my social/personal lives. Combine this with more intimate factors, what followed in the final breakup was the analogy I use for a lot of long term relationships: a skipping stone. Each time the stone hits the water, it will bounce for a period of time but never as long as the bounce before.
Things ended as I left to study abroad in China. She offered to allow me a, "what happens in China stays in China," policy which I could not respect myself were I to indulge it. It is safe to say I've still some amount of feelings for her, though not anywhere near what it was. Our contact waned over the course of the years, until recently I found out she was dating my best friend.
Since finding that tidbit out I have since drastically cut back contact with both. As much for me as for the respect and distance I should allow them and their relationship. It wasn't and isn't my place to interfere with what they have, I just can't bring myself to be around it. That is really the kicker for me all these years later.
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On February 18 2013 12:55 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 12:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 12:16 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 11:59 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 11:48 Xiphos wrote:
"The problem is what comes AFTER charisma."
This really goes to how you sell yourself to the girl. Say that if you pulled out your best performance in the earlier stage with the girl. You can absolutely get laid within the first week with her with it but as I said many times in the thread is that you need to act attractive to her at all time w/o showing a single sign of weakness.
Most man would go do ballzy stuff to impress the lady at the beginning such as buying an expansive gifts and/or singing her a song, drawing her portrait, writting poetry/romantic letters. This all show you have great confidence to her and she likes you because of those but once you get into a relationship with her, its a whole another dimensional plays. If you really observe on what a women wants if you ask her "Hey which restaurant would you prefer? What kind of music do you like?" Her answer would usually be "I'm not sure.", "Oh any kind would be fine.". When she says those things that means she WANTS a man to make those decisions for her. They always want to be guided by a person of power.
What this infers is that after the spark that you manage to conjured up with splints, the decision making skills of your determines whether she will stick with you or not. Not saying that you need to keep her on a leash or anything because she will test out your dominance throughout the relation. By this factor, it really answers all question of when she wants you to open up, it really is a test for you to stay in control. But then again you need to look for specific patterns in your conversations. If she randomly goes up and bring up the topic that means she is testing you but however if thing starts to gradually develops to that point and she says it with genuineness, you probably need to comfort her on that.
Unfortunately it is usually man who cracks under those tests fail to truly please his ladyfriend. And of course over the lone term, this whole facade that you are keeping on gets harder and harder to keep up as your spirits and ressources gets drained up by her.
TLDR: Keep in mind the rule that the "best cards are the ones that you haven't played yet". So don't give her your best performance at contact but give yourselves time to accumulate more skills and banter for the sake that she won't cheat on you. I agree with what you're saying. I would also say that this just highlights how ludicrous female expectations are when a relationship, ideally speaking, should be a 50/50 partnership of mutual respect, support, and attraction. What you've described is nigh on parasitic and inhumane. A man should ALWAYS be at the top of his game, can't fail, flawless, blow her socks off, or else she'll take off for the next guy who's puffing out his chest and playing his best hand at the start to get her into bed. What in the hell happened to "stand by your man"? What happened to in sickness and in health? My god. I guess every time I roll over in bed and my gf's having a bad hair day, I should run out and fuck her hot friend. Or I should sleep with the girl working at the local starbucks when my gf's on her period. And she should be okay with this and understand. Because that's how the game is played. Yes, it is hard but it is hard to be man. The expectation for us is very high but it is also up to us to have high expectation for her in terms of looks. You have to constantly criticize her looks so that it is fair exchange. You have to say "Oh, I don't like this outfit on you, how about you try that one with the plaid patterns?". I personally think that this is a fairly even exchange between the two genders. But we do live in an American society where women not only want you to be this and that but also have outstanding physiques. Let me say this, ever since our primitive era, we were suppose to have a great strength, speed in order to survive against the savages but we evolved our intellect so that you no longer need such feats, that's why you see skinny guys/300 pounders getting the pussies they want because of their monetary prowess. But in an feminism society, the playing field have been blown off much more flat. Feminism means gender equality. While she request you to have the wealth necessary but also the raw beast body of yours then you should also post up the requirement for her to have a great job and good personality because let's face it, we'd fuck anyone with a spanking curve. So we notice that men need to be a superhero for women in order to be attracted. To maintain the gender balance, you need to bring not ONLY her outer physical flaws but also her personality, talents, and mannerism. This way it become a two way street where both of you guys keep a look for each other and simultaneously ameliorate one's flaws so that you two would become your own perfect version of yourselves. Think of it as this way, she will be your Lady MacBeth and you'd have to be her Stanley Kowalski. It will be a constant struggle between the couple. Yes, this is all true. But this only pertains to the dating phase. Once you put a ring on it, ALL of that shit about her looking good goes out the window. You can't divorce a woman in America for being fat or ugly (unfortunately). I can't tell you how many attractive girls I know who got married and made a mad dash for the dessert bar and proceeded to pack on the pounds like there's no tomorrow. Literally, I can think of seven girls off the top of my head who haven't changed their facebook profile pics in 5 years. Now that's not a very big sample size, but by all accounts I've heard this is not very uncommon. And what can the man do about it? Divorce her? Cue the lawyers, settlement money, garnered paychecks etc. And this is even for women who don't bear any children!! Dude, we get raped so hard nowadays. I just don't get why more men aren't up in arms about it. We're expected to be handsome, stylish, wealthy, cultured, supportive, romantic, caring, and absolute Casanovas in bed. And women are expected to do what? Are there even expectations put on a woman anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an article with a headline like "What Women Should Do As Wives." But I see a thousand and one articles about the opposite. Not trying to be mean here, but yes, some women are not as demanding. And those women are either fat, ugly, absolutely terrible in the sack, or all three. A girl who is attractive, sexual, and well-educated demands an absolute god. Notice I didn't say she demands an attractive, sexual, and well-educated man. Because she doesn't. She demands MORE, much more. Whats really fucked up is that if a man wants a divorce he loses half of his shit. Understandable to an extent imo. If a woman fucks 10 random people gives you aids and then wants to leave you after giving her a kidney she stills takes half your shit.
Its half her shit too.
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On February 20 2013 05:46 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:42 Ghostcom wrote:On February 20 2013 05:17 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 05:07 Ghostcom wrote:On February 20 2013 04:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote:
Claiming that all women have a set of attributes that everyone but you understand to be negative doesn't make you not a sexist, it just makes you delusional. Sorry. Who is this everyone you speak of? I can assure you that heartless opportunism is not seen as a bad thing in many circles I've traveled. In fact, it's lauded when it results in financial or political gain. Nor did I ever claim that ALL women have these attributes. Seriously, what is wrong with you? "This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales." Taken from page 6 before you stated you only had experience with one kind of girls. "Yeah, sers. My god. Notice the word used by the girl too: "excitement." Coz it's all just a dumb game to them. The whole stereotype of men being pigs and women being pining brides-to-be is such a crock of shit. From what I've seen, most women tend to be way more cold-hearted than men. I've seen a lot of guys just absolutely devastated by breakups and failed proposals etc. Girls, at worst, complain the guy isn't treating them right, and then fuck the next asshole who was waiting in the wings. Or the girl gets cheated on, cries for a week, and then yep, you guessed it, fucks the next asshole waiting in the wings. Because there's always one. There. Waiting. In da wingz." Taken from page 7 - whilst you are beginning to give us an idea of how horrible your taste in women actually is, you are still generalizing a fair bit. And interestingly enough, reading this post, even after all that has transpired since in this thread, I still get the notion that you think cold-hearted is a negative trait in regards to relationships. Furthermore, when someone challenged your views you rejected his anecdote of living happily with a nice girlfriend as him "flexing his e-peen" but at the same time you want us to accept your anecdotes as the truth? I think your time is up. Can you point out to me the point in there where I said all women? And uh yeah, I've said from the very beginning that cold-hearted opportunism is BAD for relationships. What it's NOT bad for is the woman's own self-interests. There is a huge difference between the two. Hence, why from the beginning I've advocated men also turn to cold-hearted opportunism to advance THEIR own self-interests, because we live in a society that promotes self-interest. Your analysis is just awful. So is your interpretation of my dialogue with Kukaracha. He was flexing his e-peen when he made several derisive remarks towards me and talked about how successful he is in life, etc. Had nothing to do with living happily with a nice gf. But cherrypicking to push your own agenda is obviously your drug of choice, so keep on keeping on. If a guy came up to you and said: "The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales" as an agreement to another guy saying "woman are just out to screw you over" would you honestly not take that as to mean all women? Are you communicative skills really that terrible? Do you even have a straight face right now? And Kukaracha was not flexing his e-peen - he was giving you an anecdote about how you were wrong in your generalization as a counter to the anecdote on which you based it on. For some reasons your anecdotes are the only ones worth anything though and everyone else is either whiteknighting, facepalm-worthy, bright-eyed bushy tailed, or using the wrong premises. The best part is how you are now trying to use the morals are subjective card and we shouldn't judge you by ours - yet throughout this thread you have had no problems about calling others naive for their morals and declare society to be rotten and decaying because it does not conform to your ideas - and to top it all of we should all feel sorry for you for you not being able to date "boring" girls. You then proceed to outright dismiss everyone who stated that they were able to find all you described in a stable relationship. You have nothing to support your arguments. You might not be a misogynist, but you are a very sad little man who throughout this thread has done his very best to belittle those of us who have a differing view on women from yours. Who believe that women are no worse than men, that their actions are easily as logical as mens and that no, the vast majority of them are in fact not out to screw over their male counterparts. I feel incredibly sorry for you. This thread is about anecdotal experiences. I shared my own anecdotal experiences. Then I gave my opinion for why I think those experiences came about. Then suddenly the white knights descended to tell me I was wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences, and that when I shared them I was referring to all women.
I'll quickly respond to this to end this discussion so the rest of the posts in the thread can be on-topic. Nobody is saying you're wrong for sharing anecdotal experiences - and you know this too, so that's an obvious strawman from your part to make your opposition look bad. What I and others criticized was your sweeping, sexist and completely disconnected from reality generalizations about "most women", that you paint as cold-hearted cheating gold diggers, while calling the remaining few decent ones ugly and with a tendency to get fat. I addressed your ridiculous statements in my post on page 23, and your only response was a derogatory remark, in a reply to someone else, dismissing my post as probably not worth reading instead of either ignoring it or actually responding to it. Hey, feel free to be wrong about women, men, and relationships between the two, but don't act all surprised when you get called on your misogynistic and completely false generalizations after making them on a public forum. It has nothing to do with white-knighting and everything to do with giving you a reality check.
edit: sorry KwarK, it was the last off-topic post ,-)
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I dated a girl for eight months last year. She was short, cute, and kind of nerdy (mainly played Mario). We had incredible, wild sex. She let me do pretty much whatever I wanted in bed. So it was perfect, or what I thought perfect would be.
A little after the eight month mark I decided to call it off because she was a really negative person who had a lot of issues. Her family life was really messed up, she couldn't hold a job, she was completely dependent on her dad and she had no real direction in life. I realized I needed more than a cute nerdy girl who played video games, I needed a strong and independent woman with an education and clear career goals.
I called her one evening and asked her to come over so we could talk. Sat her down and laid it out. She got really upset, kept arguing with me and refusing to accept my decision. After a few hours of this I finally walked her out of my apartment to her car. She cried some more and I eventually had to walk away. As I was walking away she kept screaming my name and begging me not to go. It was really heartbreaking but also kind of pathetic.
We hooked up a few times over the course of the next month and her life got progressively shittier. She lost the job I got her for the company I work at because she kept showing up looking like crap and in a bad mood (she was a hostess at a restaurant so her ONE job was to look pretty and smile). She kept getting drunk and getting into trouble and trying to drag me into it so finally I told her not to call me again. Haven't heard from her since.
I've since found an incredible woman who is far more beautiful, far more intelligent, has a degree in business and is working her way up in the hotel industry. Thinking back on that relationship, I realize I would have been settling.
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A couple of friends of mine had a break up so bad we ended up all breaking up, them as a couple and us as friends. I had been best friends with the guy for like 12 years and friends with the girl for about 5 years. The problem with them was they didn't just break up they had at least a solid year of breaking up and they would drag all of their friends in the middle of it. They were constantly fighting, the guy left me stranded somewhere once because of it, the girl kept me up all hours of the night crying on the phone when I told her I had to be at work very early the next morning. The girl smashed the guy's windshield because she caught him cheating and she ended up apologizing and they got back together the next day and she bought him a new windshield. She caught him cheating again and went cry on another friend's shoulder when he had a big exam the next morning and told her she could stay but he was going to bed and he wakes up the next morning to see the two of them sleeping together and later he finds out they fucked on his couch that night. So it wasn't any one event, you could say it was the windshield event, but sadly that wasn't the end of it, so overall it was a very bad break up that I had to witness over the course of a year or so. Not just me, but all their friends got so tired of it we all stopped talking to both of them.
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I never understand these relationships where they break up every 3 monthes and then come back together just to break up again.. this is so horrible, even for the friends
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This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.
After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.
In the end he left her and went back to partying.
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On February 22 2013 20:54 pyrogenetix wrote:
This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.
After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.
In the end he left her and went back to partying.
Wow. That's an awesome way to break up, not bad at all
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On February 22 2013 20:59 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 20:54 pyrogenetix wrote:
This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.
After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.
In the end he left her and went back to partying. Wow. That's an awesome way to break up, not bad at all
Well its very immature, but for the friends I can imagine it would be hilarious.
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On February 22 2013 20:54 pyrogenetix wrote:
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad
OMG that is fucking brilliant trolololol
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That chick is cold blooded
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did I read this on reddit some time ago? seems like a copy paste job >_<
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On February 21 2013 06:45 serum321 wrote:
A couple of friends of mine had a break up so bad we ended up all breaking up, them as a couple and us as friends. I had been best friends with the guy for like 12 years and friends with the girl for about 5 years. The problem with them was they didn't just break up they had at least a solid year of breaking up and they would drag all of their friends in the middle of it. They were constantly fighting, the guy left me stranded somewhere once because of it, the girl kept me up all hours of the night crying on the phone when I told her I had to be at work very early the next morning. The girl smashed the guy's windshield because she caught him cheating and she ended up apologizing and they got back together the next day and she bought him a new windshield. She caught him cheating again and went cry on another friend's shoulder when he had a big exam the next morning and told her she could stay but he was going to bed and he wakes up the next morning to see the two of them sleeping together and later he finds out they fucked on his couch that night. So it wasn't any one event, you could say it was the windshield event, but sadly that wasn't the end of it, so overall it was a very bad break up that I had to witness over the course of a year or so. Not just me, but all their friends got so tired of it we all stopped talking to both of them.
Good god D:
This thread is extremely depressing lol, unbelievable how bad some of the breakups are. That James Blunt thing was sort of awesome though. And the 4chan one... :/
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I think my happiness is in pain lol, but then again that is what you get for mixing love with alcohol. Bad shit happens.
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Lol I got so mad reading this. Mainly because the guy was an idiot for forgiving her so many times.
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On February 24 2013 14:09 dmnum wrote:Lol I got so mad reading this. Mainly because the guy was an idiot for forgiving her so many times.
Both have faults in it. The chick was a wimp and didn't say no, and ended up hurting someone who she had known all her life, the guy was a wimp and didn't just leave her when she cheated on him, right in front of him. It's like she actually wanted to hurt him.
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On February 24 2013 22:10 AXygnus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 14:09 dmnum wrote:Lol I got so mad reading this. Mainly because the guy was an idiot for forgiving her so many times. Both have faults in it. The chick was a wimp and didn't say no, and ended up hurting someone who she had known all her life, the guy was a wimp and didn't just leave her when she cheated on him, right in front of him. It's like she actually wanted to hurt him.
THAT GUY.. If i got into the situation in the first place (i wouldnt go anywhere near) i would probably get arrested for breaking her arm in a cinema.
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On February 22 2013 20:54 pyrogenetix wrote:
This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.
After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.
In the end he left her and went back to partying.
What a scumbag.
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On February 24 2013 22:28 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 20:54 pyrogenetix wrote:
This happened to a friend of mine back in Stockholm. He used to be a handball player and hangs out a lot with his teammates. Every year they do this thing where they get a minivan and stock it with booze and drive around from town to town hitting all the clubs and bars for a week. It's sort of like a handball team tradition.
After 4 days he came home to get some clean clothes, his best buds were just chilling on the sofa, all fucked up from 4 days of partying. His girlfriend gets hysterical and starts assaulting him.
"Why the fuck you gotta do this every year?"
"What? You know it's tradition for us."
"Don't think I don't know what you do when you are out partying, fucking highschool girls."
"WTF no?" (for the record my friend bangs a lot of girls)
"YESSSS"
The situation escalates and they both start dropping bombs. His friends realize that the relationship is over and someone brings in a James Blunt DVD and starts playing Goodbye My Lover on full blast. All his friends start singing along. This makes his girlfriend really mad. The back story is that my friend did the exact same thing to another in the gang, so the irony hits him and he starts laughing. This just made the whole situation even worse and she started screaming "OH YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HUH" and other similar stuff.
In the end he left her and went back to partying. What a scumbag.
srsly what the fuck is wrong with such ppl ?
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Dang, that gotta suck balls.
I cant follow with the writing style, but does it tldr like this:
man meets poor woman.
she becomes his "not girlfriend"
she says no sex till marriage, he agrees
they often party with cousins and friends
cousin is naughty, make her sit on lap, she agrees
she partied with his cousin and friends without him, stripped for them
he forgives her upon learning
she parties some more, cousin fucked her
he forgives her
they party with cousin and friends although he doesnt want,
he goes to get some beer, returns seeing her in cousins lap, kissing
he wants to go home, she stays
right?
FUCK.
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On February 24 2013 22:53 Twinkle Toes wrote:Dang, that gotta suck balls. I cant follow with the writing style, but does it tldr like this: man meets poor woman. she becomes his "not girlfriend" she says no sex till marriage, he agrees they often party with cousins and friends cousin is naughty, make her sit on lap, she agrees she partied with his cousin and friends without him, stripped for them he forgives her upon learning she parties some more, cousin fucked her he forgives her they party with cousin and friends although he doesnt want, he goes to get some beer, returns seeing her in cousins lap, kissing he wants to go home, she stays right? FUCK.
Met her since kindergarden. To be fair i had been on both sides of the coin (the guy and the cousinfag), and that mostly happens because of drinking games, women with low self-esteem/experience to say no and man who even after voicing his opinion hasn't the guts to stop the relationship when it's obvious you are going to get hurt if you really have feelings for her.
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Well, it's not too bad for him. He got strung along for a while, but he'll probably recover quickly, unless he goes into forever anxious about women-mode, while she will forever be haunted by the fact that she got drunk, stripped and slept with an old married guy who doesn't give a flying fuck about her.
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Here is my story. It's a long one and quite sad - but with a bitter-sweet happy ending I assure you guys:
How it Started
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This will likely sound like the weirdest story ever, but here goes. When I was about 5 I had dreams about this girl in the woods and I had a dream that my soul split into two and the other half went to this brown haired girl. I used to have this dream a lot. When I was about 10, I was at the swimming pool once and there was this lovely brunette girl who was swimming beside me. She gave me the chills just looking at her. "I recognize this girl", I thought to myself. Her Dad called her name, and I thought I need to remember this girl. Throughout the next 3-4 years I would catch her swimming often and we would often be by each other, but I never had the courage to even say hi.
Once I hit Grade 9 and was in Highschool, I started to see this girl around the high school. Every time I walked by her - instant chills. So strong. I did not have any feelings for this girl, but she gave me the chills like no one's business. The best way to describe this feeling is that this person had some sort of importance in my life. I never knew this girl, but she was something special.
In Grade 11, I went to a school function called the 30 hour famine. The girl was there also. I designed a new game out of every possible piece of gym equipment called "Ultimate Dodge-ball" and she started playing with us. I finally gathered the courage to introduce myself to her. We hung out the entire day and night, and after that we became very good friends. I would tease her all the time recklessly in band class as we shared that class together, and eventually I gathered the courage to ask her out over the phone. (Yes pathetic, I know. Give me a break, it's my first love here!) She said she'd give me an answer at the swimming pool later that night. Of course, like most women who say they're going to do something, she didn't... :-p
The Good:
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I didn't want to make her uncomfortable as I valued her as friend, so I didn't make mention of it. We hung out every day almost; eventually we were officially dating a month later. I had never been so close or excited to be around someone in my life! The first time she took me to her room in the basement, there was a picture of her in a dress in the woods when she was 5 hanging on the wall... Exactly like my dream.
One and a half months in I finally managed to gather the courage to kiss her. We were sitting on top of the monkey bars in a park, gazing at the stars when it started to rain softly. I put my jacket over both our heads to protect us from the rain, leaned in, and went for the kiss. I have never been so nervous about anything in my life... I hit her nose and totally missed her mouth. At this point, I just had to start laughing and so did she. Embarrassed, I asked her if I could try again, and she agreed. We shared our first real kiss. The next day, she came to me with something she had written out. It was a list of what kisses meant. Apparently kissing someone on the nose means that you want to kiss them, so she gave it to me and said that our first kiss was perfect.
Over the years we fell in love. We used to play a game where we'd look at each other eyes and try guess what the other was thinking. We eventually got so good at the game that as the years went by we always knew what the other was thinking. In the first 4 years of this relationship I can only count on 1 hand the amount of arguments we got in and we always resolved them quickly. This girl was my soul mate. She was beautiful inside and out, and better than that, she made me smile and laugh. We had agreed that we would get married one day, and bought promise rings. She frequently showed up to my work with treats or supper or just to visit during my break to see how I was doing. Every day she reminded me of how much she loved me, and how great I was.
The Bad:
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Shortly after celebrating our 5th anniversary, I became extremely ill. After the 6th day in the hospital, I was wheelchair bound and my family and my girlfriend had to push me around to do things. On the day I was most ill, my Aunt and my Girlfriend took my IV pole and my wheel chair and we went down town and they helped me pick a birthday card up for my best friend. That night my girlfriend had to wash me up because I was unable to move my arms enough to do it myself. By this point, the infection in my body had spread to my throat and tonsils and my only way of communicating was via writing things in a book.
Shortly after, the doctor came in because my body was rejecting the IV fluids. I was in the process of late stage Septic Shock, my body was rejecting the medication they were giving me and the pain meds were no longer working. My throat was too swollen to eat or drink. There was an intubation tube taped to the side of my bed in the event things got worse. As I worked at the hospital, the doctor was a friend of mine. He told me he was putting a 2nd IV in for morphine for comfort measures. Up until this point I had been refusing, but I had no choice. He quietly took my family and girlfriend aside, and told them that I would likely die but they would do everything to make me comfortable. I remember her face sunk, and her eyes filled with tears, and she ran out of the hospital crying. The nurses in the room began crying. My parents were also crying, and stayed in the room with me the entire night. Later on my girlfriend came back with her Mom, and she mustered the strength to stay by my side all night too. All the while all I could do was sit and write out my thoughts, and be powerless to the fact that I was unable to console them.
The Ugly:
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I was discharged from the hospital about 5 days after this. I miraculously managed to bring up my white blood cell count to a reasonable level, and mustered the strength to talk and walk around on my own. I spent a month straight in my bed at home. My family made a celebration dinner for me of my favourite food - soft shell tacos. We had a big party with us all. My girlfriend but on a brave face, but had to go to the bathroom where I heard her sobbing. My girlfriend spent that entire month beside me in my bed talking and cuddling with me, crying almost every day. I was unable to do much, and even having sex was very difficult at this time. My girlfriend became very depressed.
A couple months later, she got into drinking and partying very heavily. She became a bar star. As she didn't want to make me worry, she became close friends with one of my close friends and talked to him about all her issues she was dealing with. I tried to stay positive, but I didn't like it. A couple weeks into her party stint I got a phone call from the friend who I had bought the birthday card for, who was in tears at this point, telling me he saw her walk out of the bar holding hands after making out with my close friend. I was devastated.
She admitted to me this was true, and that they fooled around. She was really mixed up at this point. We tried to hold things together. Over that year I was visiting various specialists with my parent's having to drive me to appointments because I was unable to stay awake for more than 4 hours a day and had no energy, even many months after I was released from the hospital. I couldn't really do anything with anyone, and was confined to my bedroom. I used to have nightmares that I could never wake up - I became fearful of falling asleep, but I was too tired to stop myself from sleeping for sometimes 24+ hours at a time. My girlfriend kept telling me she knew I was the best thing she had in her life, and she didn't want to lose me, she was just too messed up to stop it. We went on break for a while, then came off of break. Then broke up. Then got back together. In the mean time, she got sucked in harder and harder, and began to do drugs. I started hearing stories and rumours about her getting drunk and doing things with other guys. I never wanted to believe any of it. Finally, our relationship was in such shambles that she broke up with me because we were no longer happy and she wanted me to do better. This broke my heart in half. I have never been so lost in my entire life.
The Steady Climb Back:
+ Show Spoiler + I lost my identity here. We had dated for 6 years, and she was my soul mate. As said in the first paragraph, this was literally a fairy tale. Stuff like this doesn't just happen to anyone. I decided to fight, but I didn't have the strength. I spent the next 2 years chasing her. We were best friends. We also spent the next two years having sex and even going on trips together. We hung out 3-4 times a week as well, just like before. She kept telling me that we would be back together one day, because we were meant to be. She just needed to sort herself out. I kept waiting. She assured me she wasn't dating anyone else and still loved me. Over the next 2 years I got most of my strength back, and could even go out again. Then came the day of the worst news...
She came to me one day in tears. She said she had kissed a guy behind my back, and that she really enjoyed it and felt terrible. As this bothered her for weeks, I realized it was more than that. Finally, she told me that she had had unprotected sex with him. She was also ovulating at this time, and was worried she was pregnant. I told her not to worry, we could get through it. We were a team. I went and held her hand for her doctor's appointment and stayed and talked with her every night. We got the news - she wasn't pregnant. Shortly after this, something clicked, and she realized that I was the one for her. After 2 years, we started dating and were official again.
You might be mad at me at this point, but I assure you, keep reading.
That Easter (going on 8 years) she brought me a bunch of chocolate to work to surprise me and a stuffed rabbit. She was being just like her old self. This is it I thought! A couple months later however, I realized things had changed between us forever. She was a different person now. What I had been holding out for those 3 years of agony was the person she was, not the person she is. I loved the idea of what she was before I got sick, and I was in love with that life, not with the life I had now... Much like how it began, I phoned her, and we talked. I broke up with her, for good, and told her that a piece of me would always love her. We agreed to stay friends.
How This Story Ends:
+ Show Spoiler + This girl and I have a special relationship, even still. She is one of my best friends and we know when each other is hurting and are always there for each other. We still know exactly what the other is thinking. After all of this it took me an additional year to be able to date again, but I got there. She was even the one who pushed me to do it. When the girl turned me down and I told her, she began crying because she wanted me to be happy more than anything. Our friendship is about as pure as pure can be because of what we've been through. Now, 5 years later, I will be one of her bridesmaids (I'm a guy ftw - she insisted) as she gets married to someone that fits her life now.
As for me, I have met some really amazing people over the years. I am on the brink of finishing my nursing degree that I was never able to truly start because of my illness. I believe that true love and soul mates do exist. I have dated a few different girls, and now am going on 10 months with a girl who fits my life now. She reminds me every day of how great I am and of how lucky I am to have her. She could be the one! Who knows?.. But that's what is exciting. Because of the whole ordeal, I am stronger than ever. I know what to accept and what not. More than that, I know the value of myself and what I should and should not put up with. When you lose everything you have, you realize the value of it. When you lose yourself, a similar principle applies as you find yourself back. I am every so grateful for the friends and family that I have now, and the various relationships I have in my life.
"You are not my everything.. You are the person I want to share everything with" This is my mentality now. All the happy and sad things, all the good and bad things, these are what truly make life wonderful. What matters is that you have people to share these things with.
Relationship are hard, and sometimes it seems like you don't get what you put in. I don't believe that to be true though. Maybe it's not what you wanted, but you always do get something in return. And it's something incredibly valuable; you learn bits and pieces about yourself. So for those guys out there going through hardships and break-ups, don't worry. You'll get there. And when you do, it will be all the sweeter because you can appreciate it all that much more.
Don't worry about what you don't possess, relish in all that you do.
Thanks for reading.
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This thread makes me sick with rage at how much shit you let your supposed "loves" get away with holy crap.
I can't read this thread anymore or I'm going to get depressed.
Mostly about the story about the cousin someone linked and the story again above me. So incredibly infuriating wow.
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On February 25 2013 16:08 Zooper31 wrote:
This thread makes me sick with rage at how much shit you let your supposed "loves" get away with holy crap.
I can't read this thread anymore or I'm going to get depressed.
Don't be angry.
Is it bad?
I assume that most of the people report stories of their younger days or they still are young. It's funny to see that each generation of teenagers do the same mistakes as the previous ones.
The reason?
From my point of view a very high percentage of relationships of people aged below 25 years are pathetic. Even the ones who seem to work.
It's almost impossible to truly know yourself when you are young. If you don't know yourself you don't know what you want. You choose relationships which are bad for you or make them that way.
What to do?
Nothing? Are you young? Do you know better now?
Some people might only learn by doing the same mistake time after time. Some never learn?
You don't ave to act maturely. Be young and sleep around. Learn to be happy without a strong relationship and then seek them or allow them.
Everyone has the right to be unhappy. It's your decision.
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On February 25 2013 16:08 Zooper31 wrote:
This thread makes me sick with rage at how much shit you let your supposed "loves" get away with holy crap.
I can't read this thread anymore or I'm going to get depressed.
Mostly about the story about the cousin someone linked and the story again above me. So incredibly infuriating wow.
I don't know, most people i know, could tell you some weird or deppressing story, mostly when you lack the experience to know which is the right decission. You have also to remember that you are only reading one side of the coin.
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On February 25 2013 15:53 Satire wrote:Here is my story. It's a long one and quite sad - but with a bitter-sweet happy ending I assure you guys: How it Started+ Show Spoiler +
This will likely sound like the weirdest story ever, but here goes. When I was about 5 I had dreams about this girl in the woods and I had a dream that my soul split into two and the other half went to this brown haired girl. I used to have this dream a lot. When I was about 10, I was at the swimming pool once and there was this lovely brunette girl who was swimming beside me. She gave me the chills just looking at her. "I recognize this girl", I thought to myself. Her Dad called her name, and I thought I need to remember this girl. Throughout the next 3-4 years I would catch her swimming often and we would often be by each other, but I never had the courage to even say hi.
Once I hit Grade 9 and was in Highschool, I started to see this girl around the high school. Every time I walked by her - instant chills. So strong. I did not have any feelings for this girl, but she gave me the chills like no one's business. The best way to describe this feeling is that this person had some sort of importance in my life. I never knew this girl, but she was something special.
In Grade 11, I went to a school function called the 30 hour famine. The girl was there also. I designed a new game out of every possible piece of gym equipment called "Ultimate Dodge-ball" and she started playing with us. I finally gathered the courage to introduce myself to her. We hung out the entire day and night, and after that we became very good friends. I would tease her all the time recklessly in band class as we shared that class together, and eventually I gathered the courage to ask her out over the phone. (Yes pathetic, I know. Give me a break, it's my first love here!) She said she'd give me an answer at the swimming pool later that night. Of course, like most women who say they're going to do something, she didn't... :-p
I didn't want to make her uncomfortable as I valued her as friend, so I didn't make mention of it. We hung out every day almost; eventually we were officially dating a month later. I had never been so close or excited to be around someone in my life! The first time she took me to her room in the basement, there was a picture of her in a dress in the woods when she was 5 hanging on the wall... Exactly like my dream.
One and a half months in I finally managed to gather the courage to kiss her. We were sitting on top of the monkey bars in a park, gazing at the stars when it started to rain softly. I put my jacket over both our heads to protect us from the rain, leaned in, and went for the kiss. I have never been so nervous about anything in my life... I hit her nose and totally missed her mouth. At this point, I just had to start laughing and so did she. Embarrassed, I asked her if I could try again, and she agreed. We shared our first real kiss. The next day, she came to me with something she had written out. It was a list of what kisses meant. Apparently kissing someone on the nose means that you want to kiss them, so she gave it to me and said that our first kiss was perfect.
Over the years we fell in love. We used to play a game where we'd look at each other eyes and try guess what the other was thinking. We eventually got so good at the game that as the years went by we always knew what the other was thinking. In the first 4 years of this relationship I can only count on 1 hand the amount of arguments we got in and we always resolved them quickly. This girl was my soul mate. She was beautiful inside and out, and better than that, she made me smile and laugh. We had agreed that we would get married one day, and bought promise rings. She frequently showed up to my work with treats or supper or just to visit during my break to see how I was doing. Every day she reminded me of how much she loved me, and how great I was.
Shortly after celebrating our 5th anniversary, I became extremely ill. After the 6th day in the hospital, I was wheelchair bound and my family and my girlfriend had to push me around to do things. On the day I was most ill, my Aunt and my Girlfriend took my IV pole and my wheel chair and we went down town and they helped me pick a birthday card up for my best friend. That night my girlfriend had to wash me up because I was unable to move my arms enough to do it myself. By this point, the infection in my body had spread to my throat and tonsils and my only way of communicating was via writing things in a book.
Shortly after, the doctor came in because my body was rejecting the IV fluids. I was in the process of late stage Septic Shock, my body was rejecting the medication they were giving me and the pain meds were no longer working. My throat was too swollen to eat or drink. There was an intubation tube taped to the side of my bed in the event things got worse. As I worked at the hospital, the doctor was a friend of mine. He told me he was putting a 2nd IV in for morphine for comfort measures. Up until this point I had been refusing, but I had no choice. He quietly took my family and girlfriend aside, and told them that I would likely die but they would do everything to make me comfortable. I remember her face sunk, and her eyes filled with tears, and she ran out of the hospital crying. The nurses in the room began crying. My parents were also crying, and stayed in the room with me the entire night. Later on my girlfriend came back with her Mom, and she mustered the strength to stay by my side all night too. All the while all I could do was sit and write out my thoughts, and be powerless to the fact that I was unable to console them.
I was discharged from the hospital about 5 days after this. I miraculously managed to bring up my white blood cell count to a reasonable level, and mustered the strength to talk and walk around on my own. I spent a month straight in my bed at home. My family made a celebration dinner for me of my favourite food - soft shell tacos. We had a big party with us all. My girlfriend but on a brave face, but had to go to the bathroom where I heard her sobbing. My girlfriend spent that entire month beside me in my bed talking and cuddling with me, crying almost every day. I was unable to do much, and even having sex was very difficult at this time. My girlfriend became very depressed.
A couple months later, she got into drinking and partying very heavily. She became a bar star. As she didn't want to make me worry, she became close friends with one of my close friends and talked to him about all her issues she was dealing with. I tried to stay positive, but I didn't like it. A couple weeks into her party stint I got a phone call from the friend who I had bought the birthday card for, who was in tears at this point, telling me he saw her walk out of the bar holding hands after making out with my close friend. I was devastated.
She admitted to me this was true, and that they fooled around. She was really mixed up at this point. We tried to hold things together. Over that year I was visiting various specialists with my parent's having to drive me to appointments because I was unable to stay awake for more than 4 hours a day and had no energy, even many months after I was released from the hospital. I couldn't really do anything with anyone, and was confined to my bedroom. I used to have nightmares that I could never wake up - I became fearful of falling asleep, but I was too tired to stop myself from sleeping for sometimes 24+ hours at a time. My girlfriend kept telling me she knew I was the best thing she had in her life, and she didn't want to lose me, she was just too messed up to stop it. We went on break for a while, then came off of break. Then broke up. Then got back together. In the mean time, she got sucked in harder and harder, and began to do drugs. I started hearing stories and rumours about her getting drunk and doing things with other guys. I never wanted to believe any of it. Finally, our relationship was in such shambles that she broke up with me because we were no longer happy and she wanted me to do better. This broke my heart in half. I have never been so lost in my entire life.
I lost my identity here. We had dated for 6 years, and she was my soul mate. As said in the first paragraph, this was literally a fairy tale. Stuff like this doesn't just happen to anyone. I decided to fight, but I didn't have the strength. I spent the next 2 years chasing her. We were best friends. We also spent the next two years having sex and even going on trips together. We hung out 3-4 times a week as well, just like before. She kept telling me that we would be back together one day, because we were meant to be. She just needed to sort herself out. I kept waiting. She assured me she wasn't dating anyone else and still loved me. Over the next 2 years I got most of my strength back, and could even go out again. Then came the day of the worst news...
She came to me one day in tears. She said she had kissed a guy behind my back, and that she really enjoyed it and felt terrible. As this bothered her for weeks, I realized it was more than that. Finally, she told me that she had had unprotected sex with him. She was also ovulating at this time, and was worried she was pregnant. I told her not to worry, we could get through it. We were a team. I went and held her hand for her doctor's appointment and stayed and talked with her every night. We got the news - she wasn't pregnant. Shortly after this, something clicked, and she realized that I was the one for her. After 2 years, we started dating and were official again.
You might be mad at me at this point, but I assure you, keep reading.
That Easter (going on 8 years) she brought me a bunch of chocolate to work to surprise me and a stuffed rabbit. She was being just like her old self. This is it I thought! A couple months later however, I realized things had changed between us forever. She was a different person now. What I had been holding out for those 3 years of agony was the person she was, not the person she is. I loved the idea of what she was before I got sick, and I was in love with that life, not with the life I had now... Much like how it began, I phoned her, and we talked. I broke up with her, for good, and told her that a piece of me would always love her. We agreed to stay friends.
This girl and I have a special relationship, even still. She is one of my best friends and we know when each other is hurting and are always there for each other. We still know exactly what the other is thinking. After all of this it took me an additional year to be able to date again, but I got there. She was even the one who pushed me to do it. When the girl turned me down and I told her, she began crying because she wanted me to be happy more than anything. Our friendship is about as pure as pure can be because of what we've been through. Now, 5 years later, I will be one of her bridesmaids (I'm a guy ftw - she insisted) as she gets married to someone that fits her life now.
As for me, I have met some really amazing people over the years. I am on the brink of finishing my nursing degree that I was never able to truly start because of my illness. I believe that true love and soul mates do exist. I have dated a few different girls, and now am going on 10 months with a girl who fits my life now. She reminds me every day of how great I am and of how lucky I am to have her. She could be the one! Who knows?.. But that's what is exciting. Because of the whole ordeal, I am stronger than ever. I know what to accept and what not. More than that, I know the value of myself and what I should and should not put up with. When you lose everything you have, you realize the value of it. When you lose yourself, a similar principle applies as you find yourself back. I am every so grateful for the friends and family that I have now, and the various relationships I have in my life.
"You are not my everything.. You are the person I want to share everything with" This is my mentality now. All the happy and sad things, all the good and bad things, these are what truly make life wonderful. What matters is that you have people to share these things with.
Relationship are hard, and sometimes it seems like you don't get what you put in. I don't believe that to be true though. Maybe it's not what you wanted, but you always do get something in return. And it's something incredibly valuable; you learn bits and pieces about yourself. So for those guys out there going through hardships and break-ups, don't worry. You'll get there. And when you do, it will be all the sweeter because you can appreciate it all that much more.
Don't worry about what you don't possess, relish in all that you do.
Thanks for reading.
That was beautiful, thanks for sharing
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On February 25 2013 18:58 fight_or_flight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 15:53 Satire wrote:Here is my story. It's a long one and quite sad - but with a bitter-sweet happy ending I assure you guys: How it Started+ Show Spoiler +
This will likely sound like the weirdest story ever, but here goes. When I was about 5 I had dreams about this girl in the woods and I had a dream that my soul split into two and the other half went to this brown haired girl. I used to have this dream a lot. When I was about 10, I was at the swimming pool once and there was this lovely brunette girl who was swimming beside me. She gave me the chills just looking at her. "I recognize this girl", I thought to myself. Her Dad called her name, and I thought I need to remember this girl. Throughout the next 3-4 years I would catch her swimming often and we would often be by each other, but I never had the courage to even say hi.
Once I hit Grade 9 and was in Highschool, I started to see this girl around the high school. Every time I walked by her - instant chills. So strong. I did not have any feelings for this girl, but she gave me the chills like no one's business. The best way to describe this feeling is that this person had some sort of importance in my life. I never knew this girl, but she was something special.
In Grade 11, I went to a school function called the 30 hour famine. The girl was there also. I designed a new game out of every possible piece of gym equipment called "Ultimate Dodge-ball" and she started playing with us. I finally gathered the courage to introduce myself to her. We hung out the entire day and night, and after that we became very good friends. I would tease her all the time recklessly in band class as we shared that class together, and eventually I gathered the courage to ask her out over the phone. (Yes pathetic, I know. Give me a break, it's my first love here!) She said she'd give me an answer at the swimming pool later that night. Of course, like most women who say they're going to do something, she didn't... :-p
I didn't want to make her uncomfortable as I valued her as friend, so I didn't make mention of it. We hung out every day almost; eventually we were officially dating a month later. I had never been so close or excited to be around someone in my life! The first time she took me to her room in the basement, there was a picture of her in a dress in the woods when she was 5 hanging on the wall... Exactly like my dream.
One and a half months in I finally managed to gather the courage to kiss her. We were sitting on top of the monkey bars in a park, gazing at the stars when it started to rain softly. I put my jacket over both our heads to protect us from the rain, leaned in, and went for the kiss. I have never been so nervous about anything in my life... I hit her nose and totally missed her mouth. At this point, I just had to start laughing and so did she. Embarrassed, I asked her if I could try again, and she agreed. We shared our first real kiss. The next day, she came to me with something she had written out. It was a list of what kisses meant. Apparently kissing someone on the nose means that you want to kiss them, so she gave it to me and said that our first kiss was perfect.
Over the years we fell in love. We used to play a game where we'd look at each other eyes and try guess what the other was thinking. We eventually got so good at the game that as the years went by we always knew what the other was thinking. In the first 4 years of this relationship I can only count on 1 hand the amount of arguments we got in and we always resolved them quickly. This girl was my soul mate. She was beautiful inside and out, and better than that, she made me smile and laugh. We had agreed that we would get married one day, and bought promise rings. She frequently showed up to my work with treats or supper or just to visit during my break to see how I was doing. Every day she reminded me of how much she loved me, and how great I was.
Shortly after celebrating our 5th anniversary, I became extremely ill. After the 6th day in the hospital, I was wheelchair bound and my family and my girlfriend had to push me around to do things. On the day I was most ill, my Aunt and my Girlfriend took my IV pole and my wheel chair and we went down town and they helped me pick a birthday card up for my best friend. That night my girlfriend had to wash me up because I was unable to move my arms enough to do it myself. By this point, the infection in my body had spread to my throat and tonsils and my only way of communicating was via writing things in a book.
Shortly after, the doctor came in because my body was rejecting the IV fluids. I was in the process of late stage Septic Shock, my body was rejecting the medication they were giving me and the pain meds were no longer working. My throat was too swollen to eat or drink. There was an intubation tube taped to the side of my bed in the event things got worse. As I worked at the hospital, the doctor was a friend of mine. He told me he was putting a 2nd IV in for morphine for comfort measures. Up until this point I had been refusing, but I had no choice. He quietly took my family and girlfriend aside, and told them that I would likely die but they would do everything to make me comfortable. I remember her face sunk, and her eyes filled with tears, and she ran out of the hospital crying. The nurses in the room began crying. My parents were also crying, and stayed in the room with me the entire night. Later on my girlfriend came back with her Mom, and she mustered the strength to stay by my side all night too. All the while all I could do was sit and write out my thoughts, and be powerless to the fact that I was unable to console them.
I was discharged from the hospital about 5 days after this. I miraculously managed to bring up my white blood cell count to a reasonable level, and mustered the strength to talk and walk around on my own. I spent a month straight in my bed at home. My family made a celebration dinner for me of my favourite food - soft shell tacos. We had a big party with us all. My girlfriend but on a brave face, but had to go to the bathroom where I heard her sobbing. My girlfriend spent that entire month beside me in my bed talking and cuddling with me, crying almost every day. I was unable to do much, and even having sex was very difficult at this time. My girlfriend became very depressed.
A couple months later, she got into drinking and partying very heavily. She became a bar star. As she didn't want to make me worry, she became close friends with one of my close friends and talked to him about all her issues she was dealing with. I tried to stay positive, but I didn't like it. A couple weeks into her party stint I got a phone call from the friend who I had bought the birthday card for, who was in tears at this point, telling me he saw her walk out of the bar holding hands after making out with my close friend. I was devastated.
She admitted to me this was true, and that they fooled around. She was really mixed up at this point. We tried to hold things together. Over that year I was visiting various specialists with my parent's having to drive me to appointments because I was unable to stay awake for more than 4 hours a day and had no energy, even many months after I was released from the hospital. I couldn't really do anything with anyone, and was confined to my bedroom. I used to have nightmares that I could never wake up - I became fearful of falling asleep, but I was too tired to stop myself from sleeping for sometimes 24+ hours at a time. My girlfriend kept telling me she knew I was the best thing she had in her life, and she didn't want to lose me, she was just too messed up to stop it. We went on break for a while, then came off of break. Then broke up. Then got back together. In the mean time, she got sucked in harder and harder, and began to do drugs. I started hearing stories and rumours about her getting drunk and doing things with other guys. I never wanted to believe any of it. Finally, our relationship was in such shambles that she broke up with me because we were no longer happy and she wanted me to do better. This broke my heart in half. I have never been so lost in my entire life.
I lost my identity here. We had dated for 6 years, and she was my soul mate. As said in the first paragraph, this was literally a fairy tale. Stuff like this doesn't just happen to anyone. I decided to fight, but I didn't have the strength. I spent the next 2 years chasing her. We were best friends. We also spent the next two years having sex and even going on trips together. We hung out 3-4 times a week as well, just like before. She kept telling me that we would be back together one day, because we were meant to be. She just needed to sort herself out. I kept waiting. She assured me she wasn't dating anyone else and still loved me. Over the next 2 years I got most of my strength back, and could even go out again. Then came the day of the worst news...
She came to me one day in tears. She said she had kissed a guy behind my back, and that she really enjoyed it and felt terrible. As this bothered her for weeks, I realized it was more than that. Finally, she told me that she had had unprotected sex with him. She was also ovulating at this time, and was worried she was pregnant. I told her not to worry, we could get through it. We were a team. I went and held her hand for her doctor's appointment and stayed and talked with her every night. We got the news - she wasn't pregnant. Shortly after this, something clicked, and she realized that I was the one for her. After 2 years, we started dating and were official again.
You might be mad at me at this point, but I assure you, keep reading.
That Easter (going on 8 years) she brought me a bunch of chocolate to work to surprise me and a stuffed rabbit. She was being just like her old self. This is it I thought! A couple months later however, I realized things had changed between us forever. She was a different person now. What I had been holding out for those 3 years of agony was the person she was, not the person she is. I loved the idea of what she was before I got sick, and I was in love with that life, not with the life I had now... Much like how it began, I phoned her, and we talked. I broke up with her, for good, and told her that a piece of me would always love her. We agreed to stay friends.
This girl and I have a special relationship, even still. She is one of my best friends and we know when each other is hurting and are always there for each other. We still know exactly what the other is thinking. After all of this it took me an additional year to be able to date again, but I got there. She was even the one who pushed me to do it. When the girl turned me down and I told her, she began crying because she wanted me to be happy more than anything. Our friendship is about as pure as pure can be because of what we've been through. Now, 5 years later, I will be one of her bridesmaids (I'm a guy ftw - she insisted) as she gets married to someone that fits her life now.
As for me, I have met some really amazing people over the years. I am on the brink of finishing my nursing degree that I was never able to truly start because of my illness. I believe that true love and soul mates do exist. I have dated a few different girls, and now am going on 10 months with a girl who fits my life now. She reminds me every day of how great I am and of how lucky I am to have her. She could be the one! Who knows?.. But that's what is exciting. Because of the whole ordeal, I am stronger than ever. I know what to accept and what not. More than that, I know the value of myself and what I should and should not put up with. When you lose everything you have, you realize the value of it. When you lose yourself, a similar principle applies as you find yourself back. I am every so grateful for the friends and family that I have now, and the various relationships I have in my life.
"You are not my everything.. You are the person I want to share everything with" This is my mentality now. All the happy and sad things, all the good and bad things, these are what truly make life wonderful. What matters is that you have people to share these things with.
Relationship are hard, and sometimes it seems like you don't get what you put in. I don't believe that to be true though. Maybe it's not what you wanted, but you always do get something in return. And it's something incredibly valuable; you learn bits and pieces about yourself. So for those guys out there going through hardships and break-ups, don't worry. You'll get there. And when you do, it will be all the sweeter because you can appreciate it all that much more.
Don't worry about what you don't possess, relish in all that you do.
Thanks for reading. That was beautiful, thanks for sharing
You seem like an amazing person. I wish you coulda ended up with her.
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On February 25 2013 15:53 Satire wrote:Here is my story. It's a long one and quite sad - but with a bitter-sweet happy ending I assure you guys: How it Started+ Show Spoiler +
This will likely sound like the weirdest story ever, but here goes. When I was about 5 I had dreams about this girl in the woods and I had a dream that my soul split into two and the other half went to this brown haired girl. I used to have this dream a lot. When I was about 10, I was at the swimming pool once and there was this lovely brunette girl who was swimming beside me. She gave me the chills just looking at her. "I recognize this girl", I thought to myself. Her Dad called her name, and I thought I need to remember this girl. Throughout the next 3-4 years I would catch her swimming often and we would often be by each other, but I never had the courage to even say hi.
Once I hit Grade 9 and was in Highschool, I started to see this girl around the high school. Every time I walked by her - instant chills. So strong. I did not have any feelings for this girl, but she gave me the chills like no one's business. The best way to describe this feeling is that this person had some sort of importance in my life. I never knew this girl, but she was something special.
In Grade 11, I went to a school function called the 30 hour famine. The girl was there also. I designed a new game out of every possible piece of gym equipment called "Ultimate Dodge-ball" and she started playing with us. I finally gathered the courage to introduce myself to her. We hung out the entire day and night, and after that we became very good friends. I would tease her all the time recklessly in band class as we shared that class together, and eventually I gathered the courage to ask her out over the phone. (Yes pathetic, I know. Give me a break, it's my first love here!) She said she'd give me an answer at the swimming pool later that night. Of course, like most women who say they're going to do something, she didn't... :-p
I didn't want to make her uncomfortable as I valued her as friend, so I didn't make mention of it. We hung out every day almost; eventually we were officially dating a month later. I had never been so close or excited to be around someone in my life! The first time she took me to her room in the basement, there was a picture of her in a dress in the woods when she was 5 hanging on the wall... Exactly like my dream.
One and a half months in I finally managed to gather the courage to kiss her. We were sitting on top of the monkey bars in a park, gazing at the stars when it started to rain softly. I put my jacket over both our heads to protect us from the rain, leaned in, and went for the kiss. I have never been so nervous about anything in my life... I hit her nose and totally missed her mouth. At this point, I just had to start laughing and so did she. Embarrassed, I asked her if I could try again, and she agreed. We shared our first real kiss. The next day, she came to me with something she had written out. It was a list of what kisses meant. Apparently kissing someone on the nose means that you want to kiss them, so she gave it to me and said that our first kiss was perfect.
Over the years we fell in love. We used to play a game where we'd look at each other eyes and try guess what the other was thinking. We eventually got so good at the game that as the years went by we always knew what the other was thinking. In the first 4 years of this relationship I can only count on 1 hand the amount of arguments we got in and we always resolved them quickly. This girl was my soul mate. She was beautiful inside and out, and better than that, she made me smile and laugh. We had agreed that we would get married one day, and bought promise rings. She frequently showed up to my work with treats or supper or just to visit during my break to see how I was doing. Every day she reminded me of how much she loved me, and how great I was.
Shortly after celebrating our 5th anniversary, I became extremely ill. After the 6th day in the hospital, I was wheelchair bound and my family and my girlfriend had to push me around to do things. On the day I was most ill, my Aunt and my Girlfriend took my IV pole and my wheel chair and we went down town and they helped me pick a birthday card up for my best friend. That night my girlfriend had to wash me up because I was unable to move my arms enough to do it myself. By this point, the infection in my body had spread to my throat and tonsils and my only way of communicating was via writing things in a book.
Shortly after, the doctor came in because my body was rejecting the IV fluids. I was in the process of late stage Septic Shock, my body was rejecting the medication they were giving me and the pain meds were no longer working. My throat was too swollen to eat or drink. There was an intubation tube taped to the side of my bed in the event things got worse. As I worked at the hospital, the doctor was a friend of mine. He told me he was putting a 2nd IV in for morphine for comfort measures. Up until this point I had been refusing, but I had no choice. He quietly took my family and girlfriend aside, and told them that I would likely die but they would do everything to make me comfortable. I remember her face sunk, and her eyes filled with tears, and she ran out of the hospital crying. The nurses in the room began crying. My parents were also crying, and stayed in the room with me the entire night. Later on my girlfriend came back with her Mom, and she mustered the strength to stay by my side all night too. All the while all I could do was sit and write out my thoughts, and be powerless to the fact that I was unable to console them.
I was discharged from the hospital about 5 days after this. I miraculously managed to bring up my white blood cell count to a reasonable level, and mustered the strength to talk and walk around on my own. I spent a month straight in my bed at home. My family made a celebration dinner for me of my favourite food - soft shell tacos. We had a big party with us all. My girlfriend but on a brave face, but had to go to the bathroom where I heard her sobbing. My girlfriend spent that entire month beside me in my bed talking and cuddling with me, crying almost every day. I was unable to do much, and even having sex was very difficult at this time. My girlfriend became very depressed.
A couple months later, she got into drinking and partying very heavily. She became a bar star. As she didn't want to make me worry, she became close friends with one of my close friends and talked to him about all her issues she was dealing with. I tried to stay positive, but I didn't like it. A couple weeks into her party stint I got a phone call from the friend who I had bought the birthday card for, who was in tears at this point, telling me he saw her walk out of the bar holding hands after making out with my close friend. I was devastated.
She admitted to me this was true, and that they fooled around. She was really mixed up at this point. We tried to hold things together. Over that year I was visiting various specialists with my parent's having to drive me to appointments because I was unable to stay awake for more than 4 hours a day and had no energy, even many months after I was released from the hospital. I couldn't really do anything with anyone, and was confined to my bedroom. I used to have nightmares that I could never wake up - I became fearful of falling asleep, but I was too tired to stop myself from sleeping for sometimes 24+ hours at a time. My girlfriend kept telling me she knew I was the best thing she had in her life, and she didn't want to lose me, she was just too messed up to stop it. We went on break for a while, then came off of break. Then broke up. Then got back together. In the mean time, she got sucked in harder and harder, and began to do drugs. I started hearing stories and rumours about her getting drunk and doing things with other guys. I never wanted to believe any of it. Finally, our relationship was in such shambles that she broke up with me because we were no longer happy and she wanted me to do better. This broke my heart in half. I have never been so lost in my entire life.
I lost my identity here. We had dated for 6 years, and she was my soul mate. As said in the first paragraph, this was literally a fairy tale. Stuff like this doesn't just happen to anyone. I decided to fight, but I didn't have the strength. I spent the next 2 years chasing her. We were best friends. We also spent the next two years having sex and even going on trips together. We hung out 3-4 times a week as well, just like before. She kept telling me that we would be back together one day, because we were meant to be. She just needed to sort herself out. I kept waiting. She assured me she wasn't dating anyone else and still loved me. Over the next 2 years I got most of my strength back, and could even go out again. Then came the day of the worst news...
She came to me one day in tears. She said she had kissed a guy behind my back, and that she really enjoyed it and felt terrible. As this bothered her for weeks, I realized it was more than that. Finally, she told me that she had had unprotected sex with him. She was also ovulating at this time, and was worried she was pregnant. I told her not to worry, we could get through it. We were a team. I went and held her hand for her doctor's appointment and stayed and talked with her every night. We got the news - she wasn't pregnant. Shortly after this, something clicked, and she realized that I was the one for her. After 2 years, we started dating and were official again.
You might be mad at me at this point, but I assure you, keep reading.
That Easter (going on 8 years) she brought me a bunch of chocolate to work to surprise me and a stuffed rabbit. She was being just like her old self. This is it I thought! A couple months later however, I realized things had changed between us forever. She was a different person now. What I had been holding out for those 3 years of agony was the person she was, not the person she is. I loved the idea of what she was before I got sick, and I was in love with that life, not with the life I had now... Much like how it began, I phoned her, and we talked. I broke up with her, for good, and told her that a piece of me would always love her. We agreed to stay friends.
This girl and I have a special relationship, even still. She is one of my best friends and we know when each other is hurting and are always there for each other. We still know exactly what the other is thinking. After all of this it took me an additional year to be able to date again, but I got there. She was even the one who pushed me to do it. When the girl turned me down and I told her, she began crying because she wanted me to be happy more than anything. Our friendship is about as pure as pure can be because of what we've been through. Now, 5 years later, I will be one of her bridesmaids (I'm a guy ftw - she insisted) as she gets married to someone that fits her life now.
As for me, I have met some really amazing people over the years. I am on the brink of finishing my nursing degree that I was never able to truly start because of my illness. I believe that true love and soul mates do exist. I have dated a few different girls, and now am going on 10 months with a girl who fits my life now. She reminds me every day of how great I am and of how lucky I am to have her. She could be the one! Who knows?.. But that's what is exciting. Because of the whole ordeal, I am stronger than ever. I know what to accept and what not. More than that, I know the value of myself and what I should and should not put up with. When you lose everything you have, you realize the value of it. When you lose yourself, a similar principle applies as you find yourself back. I am every so grateful for the friends and family that I have now, and the various relationships I have in my life.
"You are not my everything.. You are the person I want to share everything with" This is my mentality now. All the happy and sad things, all the good and bad things, these are what truly make life wonderful. What matters is that you have people to share these things with.
Relationship are hard, and sometimes it seems like you don't get what you put in. I don't believe that to be true though. Maybe it's not what you wanted, but you always do get something in return. And it's something incredibly valuable; you learn bits and pieces about yourself. So for those guys out there going through hardships and break-ups, don't worry. You'll get there. And when you do, it will be all the sweeter because you can appreciate it all that much more.
Don't worry about what you don't possess, relish in all that you do.
Thanks for reading.
Holy cow!!!!! I don't want to offend but that really sounds like it would make a great rom-com movie. Great story, hope you find your soul mate 
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On February 25 2013 16:08 Zooper31 wrote:
This thread makes me sick with rage at how much shit you let your supposed "loves" get away with holy crap.
I can't read this thread anymore or I'm going to get depressed.
Mostly about the story about the cousin someone linked and the story again above me. So incredibly infuriating wow.
I agree about the cousin story. Im by no means an angry or violent person, really the opposite tbh. But god damn i do not get how that kid didnt break cousins face after the last time he saw him making out with his girl in front of him. Theres only so much shit you can and/or should take.
edit: considering the guy has a wife and kids, he couldnt even press charges or he would loose his family, alternatively he shoulda just told the wife...
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On February 25 2013 16:08 Zooper31 wrote:
This thread makes me sick with rage at how much shit you let your supposed "loves" get away with holy crap.
I can't read this thread anymore or I'm going to get depressed.
Mostly about the story about the cousin someone linked and the story again above me. So incredibly infuriating wow.
You didn't really understand the story if you didn't read the whole thing. You're right, it is absolutely amazingly stupid what we let people get away with sometimes. That's part of growing up though. You have to remember lots of these stories are from when people are young or experiencing really intense emotions for the first time. You kinda buy into that fairy tale mentality. It's by no means a good thing, but I think most, if not all of us, have been there at some point.
On February 25 2013 19:54 husniack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 18:58 fight_or_flight wrote:On February 25 2013 15:53 Satire wrote:Here is my story. It's a long one and quite sad - but with a bitter-sweet happy ending I assure you guys: How it Started+ Show Spoiler +
This will likely sound like the weirdest story ever, but here goes. When I was about 5 I had dreams about this girl in the woods and I had a dream that my soul split into two and the other half went to this brown haired girl. I used to have this dream a lot. When I was about 10, I was at the swimming pool once and there was this lovely brunette girl who was swimming beside me. She gave me the chills just looking at her. "I recognize this girl", I thought to myself. Her Dad called her name, and I thought I need to remember this girl. Throughout the next 3-4 years I would catch her swimming often and we would often be by each other, but I never had the courage to even say hi.
Once I hit Grade 9 and was in Highschool, I started to see this girl around the high school. Every time I walked by her - instant chills. So strong. I did not have any feelings for this girl, but she gave me the chills like no one's business. The best way to describe this feeling is that this person had some sort of importance in my life. I never knew this girl, but she was something special.
In Grade 11, I went to a school function called the 30 hour famine. The girl was there also. I designed a new game out of every possible piece of gym equipment called "Ultimate Dodge-ball" and she started playing with us. I finally gathered the courage to introduce myself to her. We hung out the entire day and night, and after that we became very good friends. I would tease her all the time recklessly in band class as we shared that class together, and eventually I gathered the courage to ask her out over the phone. (Yes pathetic, I know. Give me a break, it's my first love here!) She said she'd give me an answer at the swimming pool later that night. Of course, like most women who say they're going to do something, she didn't... :-p
I didn't want to make her uncomfortable as I valued her as friend, so I didn't make mention of it. We hung out every day almost; eventually we were officially dating a month later. I had never been so close or excited to be around someone in my life! The first time she took me to her room in the basement, there was a picture of her in a dress in the woods when she was 5 hanging on the wall... Exactly like my dream.
One and a half months in I finally managed to gather the courage to kiss her. We were sitting on top of the monkey bars in a park, gazing at the stars when it started to rain softly. I put my jacket over both our heads to protect us from the rain, leaned in, and went for the kiss. I have never been so nervous about anything in my life... I hit her nose and totally missed her mouth. At this point, I just had to start laughing and so did she. Embarrassed, I asked her if I could try again, and she agreed. We shared our first real kiss. The next day, she came to me with something she had written out. It was a list of what kisses meant. Apparently kissing someone on the nose means that you want to kiss them, so she gave it to me and said that our first kiss was perfect.
Over the years we fell in love. We used to play a game where we'd look at each other eyes and try guess what the other was thinking. We eventually got so good at the game that as the years went by we always knew what the other was thinking. In the first 4 years of this relationship I can only count on 1 hand the amount of arguments we got in and we always resolved them quickly. This girl was my soul mate. She was beautiful inside and out, and better than that, she made me smile and laugh. We had agreed that we would get married one day, and bought promise rings. She frequently showed up to my work with treats or supper or just to visit during my break to see how I was doing. Every day she reminded me of how much she loved me, and how great I was.
Shortly after celebrating our 5th anniversary, I became extremely ill. After the 6th day in the hospital, I was wheelchair bound and my family and my girlfriend had to push me around to do things. On the day I was most ill, my Aunt and my Girlfriend took my IV pole and my wheel chair and we went down town and they helped me pick a birthday card up for my best friend. That night my girlfriend had to wash me up because I was unable to move my arms enough to do it myself. By this point, the infection in my body had spread to my throat and tonsils and my only way of communicating was via writing things in a book.
Shortly after, the doctor came in because my body was rejecting the IV fluids. I was in the process of late stage Septic Shock, my body was rejecting the medication they were giving me and the pain meds were no longer working. My throat was too swollen to eat or drink. There was an intubation tube taped to the side of my bed in the event things got worse. As I worked at the hospital, the doctor was a friend of mine. He told me he was putting a 2nd IV in for morphine for comfort measures. Up until this point I had been refusing, but I had no choice. He quietly took my family and girlfriend aside, and told them that I would likely die but they would do everything to make me comfortable. I remember her face sunk, and her eyes filled with tears, and she ran out of the hospital crying. The nurses in the room began crying. My parents were also crying, and stayed in the room with me the entire night. Later on my girlfriend came back with her Mom, and she mustered the strength to stay by my side all night too. All the while all I could do was sit and write out my thoughts, and be powerless to the fact that I was unable to console them.
I was discharged from the hospital about 5 days after this. I miraculously managed to bring up my white blood cell count to a reasonable level, and mustered the strength to talk and walk around on my own. I spent a month straight in my bed at home. My family made a celebration dinner for me of my favourite food - soft shell tacos. We had a big party with us all. My girlfriend but on a brave face, but had to go to the bathroom where I heard her sobbing. My girlfriend spent that entire month beside me in my bed talking and cuddling with me, crying almost every day. I was unable to do much, and even having sex was very difficult at this time. My girlfriend became very depressed.
A couple months later, she got into drinking and partying very heavily. She became a bar star. As she didn't want to make me worry, she became close friends with one of my close friends and talked to him about all her issues she was dealing with. I tried to stay positive, but I didn't like it. A couple weeks into her party stint I got a phone call from the friend who I had bought the birthday card for, who was in tears at this point, telling me he saw her walk out of the bar holding hands after making out with my close friend. I was devastated.
She admitted to me this was true, and that they fooled around. She was really mixed up at this point. We tried to hold things together. Over that year I was visiting various specialists with my parent's having to drive me to appointments because I was unable to stay awake for more than 4 hours a day and had no energy, even many months after I was released from the hospital. I couldn't really do anything with anyone, and was confined to my bedroom. I used to have nightmares that I could never wake up - I became fearful of falling asleep, but I was too tired to stop myself from sleeping for sometimes 24+ hours at a time. My girlfriend kept telling me she knew I was the best thing she had in her life, and she didn't want to lose me, she was just too messed up to stop it. We went on break for a while, then came off of break. Then broke up. Then got back together. In the mean time, she got sucked in harder and harder, and began to do drugs. I started hearing stories and rumours about her getting drunk and doing things with other guys. I never wanted to believe any of it. Finally, our relationship was in such shambles that she broke up with me because we were no longer happy and she wanted me to do better. This broke my heart in half. I have never been so lost in my entire life.
I lost my identity here. We had dated for 6 years, and she was my soul mate. As said in the first paragraph, this was literally a fairy tale. Stuff like this doesn't just happen to anyone. I decided to fight, but I didn't have the strength. I spent the next 2 years chasing her. We were best friends. We also spent the next two years having sex and even going on trips together. We hung out 3-4 times a week as well, just like before. She kept telling me that we would be back together one day, because we were meant to be. She just needed to sort herself out. I kept waiting. She assured me she wasn't dating anyone else and still loved me. Over the next 2 years I got most of my strength back, and could even go out again. Then came the day of the worst news...
She came to me one day in tears. She said she had kissed a guy behind my back, and that she really enjoyed it and felt terrible. As this bothered her for weeks, I realized it was more than that. Finally, she told me that she had had unprotected sex with him. She was also ovulating at this time, and was worried she was pregnant. I told her not to worry, we could get through it. We were a team. I went and held her hand for her doctor's appointment and stayed and talked with her every night. We got the news - she wasn't pregnant. Shortly after this, something clicked, and she realized that I was the one for her. After 2 years, we started dating and were official again.
You might be mad at me at this point, but I assure you, keep reading.
That Easter (going on 8 years) she brought me a bunch of chocolate to work to surprise me and a stuffed rabbit. She was being just like her old self. This is it I thought! A couple months later however, I realized things had changed between us forever. She was a different person now. What I had been holding out for those 3 years of agony was the person she was, not the person she is. I loved the idea of what she was before I got sick, and I was in love with that life, not with the life I had now... Much like how it began, I phoned her, and we talked. I broke up with her, for good, and told her that a piece of me would always love her. We agreed to stay friends.
This girl and I have a special relationship, even still. She is one of my best friends and we know when each other is hurting and are always there for each other. We still know exactly what the other is thinking. After all of this it took me an additional year to be able to date again, but I got there. She was even the one who pushed me to do it. When the girl turned me down and I told her, she began crying because she wanted me to be happy more than anything. Our friendship is about as pure as pure can be because of what we've been through. Now, 5 years later, I will be one of her bridesmaids (I'm a guy ftw - she insisted) as she gets married to someone that fits her life now.
As for me, I have met some really amazing people over the years. I am on the brink of finishing my nursing degree that I was never able to truly start because of my illness. I believe that true love and soul mates do exist. I have dated a few different girls, and now am going on 10 months with a girl who fits my life now. She reminds me every day of how great I am and of how lucky I am to have her. She could be the one! Who knows?.. But that's what is exciting. Because of the whole ordeal, I am stronger than ever. I know what to accept and what not. More than that, I know the value of myself and what I should and should not put up with. When you lose everything you have, you realize the value of it. When you lose yourself, a similar principle applies as you find yourself back. I am every so grateful for the friends and family that I have now, and the various relationships I have in my life.
"You are not my everything.. You are the person I want to share everything with" This is my mentality now. All the happy and sad things, all the good and bad things, these are what truly make life wonderful. What matters is that you have people to share these things with.
Relationship are hard, and sometimes it seems like you don't get what you put in. I don't believe that to be true though. Maybe it's not what you wanted, but you always do get something in return. And it's something incredibly valuable; you learn bits and pieces about yourself. So for those guys out there going through hardships and break-ups, don't worry. You'll get there. And when you do, it will be all the sweeter because you can appreciate it all that much more.
Don't worry about what you don't possess, relish in all that you do.
Thanks for reading. That was beautiful, thanks for sharing You seem like an amazing person. I wish you coulda ended up with her.
Thanks! And there was a time when I may have agreed with that wish, but like I said, we're different people now. I very much so love the girl I am with now and I learned a lot about myself in the whole process. All I wish for now is that both her and I find our own happiness.
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On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier.
the bold stuff made me so much happier just now...
my story is short and kinda lame, one of those "stuck on you don't know why" things...
but yea i highlighted what i can relate to, and thanks you for this
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On February 28 2013 14:25 fenix404 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:13 HoLe wrote:
When I dumped my ex, I just ate a ton of sushi, called her up on the phone and started dropping bombs. Fuck it, it's about me right? You gotta look out for #1. Obviously if you care enough about the girl you won't do this. But if it's just another notch on the belt, let's not kid ourselves.
I called her up and told her the truth: that she's a crazy moody nymphomaniac that lost her virginity waaaay too late, that she doesn't smoke pot and that's no bueno, that she should be more humble about her piano skills because playing one Yann Tierson song isn't so great, that she can't hold her drink, that I can't just go upstairs and fuck her with all my friends over, that I'm banging another girl also, that I'm in love with that other girl and shit's getting pretty serious, that I'm sorry I didn't comfort her when she moved into university residence 3 hours away and hated it because maybe you should think harder about what you decide to do instead of being a robot (and also a phat pussay imo), smoke weed and play starcraft, bitch, get on my level.
ADDED: gf 2.0 brings me baked treats in bed and has a bigger rack & ass too. Also way funnier. the bold stuff made me so much happier just now... my story is short and kinda lame, one of those "stuck on you don't know why" things... but yea i highlighted what i can relate to, and thanks you for this
I always laugh when I see people saying someone not smoking pot is a bad thing.
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