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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472 Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
Arguably worse things are happening throughout the world. This (clearly horrible) event impacts the 'average American' more because the dead were children at an elementary school (a place thought 'safe'). Surprise plays a big factor in the reaction. Most people who are jaded/cynical/unsurprised that there are crazies out there who want to go on murdering rampages are wise/socially aware enough to not comment about it. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:15 cmgillett wrote: its called being a human. Usually humans have the ability to feel empathy for others' misfortunes. Look outside of yourself sometime. He's talking about sensationalism of it, which is not what you are getting at. It's the spectacle, the grand speeches and all that. The same thing happened in China a few days ago, a mall shooting this past week, lots of dying everywhere in more grotesque ways than you can imagine, and it's all there for you to read up on. Humans have the ability to feel empathy for others but it's also true that you can be desensitized, at least to the point that you don't tear up or huddle with others when you don't have an actual connection to the events. He does not need to be accused of being selfish and heartless to question the media and societal response to events like these. I would venture to say the 'sensationalism' is part of the reason why so many massacres are occurring... because the killers know at the very least the news will let everyone know about their lives and 'tragic' circumstances that led them to kill groups of people. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
Btw. what the fuck is wigh the news changing stories. Fuck it I'm waiting until tomorrow | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:44 PizzaParty wrote: I totally agree with Aulisemia. It is tragic and sad but it does not affect me, like it should not affect anyone here unless you are personally related with the people or city of Newtown. You had tears ? You cried ? You must cry every time you read the news. Just for example, over 44 thousands civillians died so far in the Syrian civial war. Did you cry for all of them ? What about people in Gaza and Central Africa ? What about people who are born with HIV and die of hunger, do you also cry for them ? There is literally no point in arguing with someone who believes they should be weeping every time something tragic happens across the globe, most of the time they're either lying about the amount of sadness they experience, or completely miss other events which are tragic on a much grander scale. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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KwarK
United States43205 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:46 Bub wrote: This soon before Christmas too. I feel really sorry for the parents and the presents they had in the closet...:-( Btw. what the fuck is wigh the news changing stories. Fuck it I'm waiting until tomorrow Yeah, I was just thinking about that too. The presents will already be planned out and bought, maybe even their favourite foods for Christmas day in the freezer. It's awful. There's no way they could have prepared for this either, every minute must be a fresh heartbreak. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Didn't really give a damn about them when they were alive,certainly don't now,pretty sure you don't either.I wish it didn't happen to the familys but if you think feeling sorry for them now is going to change anything,just look at the circlejerk that happened after all the other shootings you'll see that this will just pass,everyone on the outside will forget and there will never be an answer. The best thing for America would be to stop treating these idiots like rockstars and agonizing children like screaming fangirls.Every single reporter that put a mic in their face should be shot on the spot. Worthless thread. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:50 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: So now they are talking about a hostage situation, the mother being dead at home and not at the school. Revealing false identities on live news repots etc.... media is fucking awful today. Just stop watching, don't give them the hits when they don't deserve it. Check on the facts tomorrow when they are found to be completely true. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:50 KwarK wrote: Yeah, I was just thinking about that too. The presents will already be planned out and bought, maybe even their favourite foods for Christmas day in the freezer. It's awful. There's no way they could have prepared for this either, every minute must be a fresh heartbreak. Good thing that no matter what channel the tv is on they get to be reminded, with the same constant "sad" music which will pretty much haunt them for the rest of their lives. Frankly, it's disgusting that this sort of event is even displayed on the media. It's no bodies business but the people who were involved, and it does nothing but encourage future repetitions. | ||
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xBebop
Korea (South)23 Posts
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LoLo]
United States4 Posts
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unifo
Canada65 Posts
I am sick to my stomach on why children had to be the innocent victim of this tragedy. I wish for peace and closure quickly to those who are affected. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:47 bo1b wrote: There is literally no point in arguing with someone who believes they should be weeping every time something tragic happens across the globe, most of the time they're either lying about the amount of sadness they experience, or completely miss other events which are tragic on a much grander scale. Its not that most people weep every time people/children die. It pretty much is, to put it bluntly, how little people care about lives in 3rd world countries. It mostly has to do with the media and how most powerful media is in the hands of 1st world countries. Incidents like the one that happened in the USA today, happen on an almost daily basis by the USA themselves in places such as Pakistan and Afghanistan through drones strikes/double tap. Incidents like the one that happened today are sadly mostly unpreventable, the ones happening on a daily basis by the USA are. | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
makes me sick.. Those poor kids | ||
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ssj114
Afghanistan461 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:44 PizzaParty wrote: I totally agree with Aulisemia. It is tragic and sad but it does not affect me, like it should not affect anyone here unless you are personally related with the people or city of Newtown. You had tears ? You cried ? You must cry every time you read the news. Just for example, over 44 thousands civillians died so far in the Syrian civial war. Did you cry for all of them ? What about people in Gaza and Central Africa ? What about people who are born with HIV and die of hunger, do you also cry for them ? It's the context that makes it sad. I understand your point, but you're being a little insensitive. These children weren't at "high risk" of being shot. Those 44,000 civilians were at high(er) risk. Not sure why you compared people born with HIV? Those people dying of hunger were at "high risk" of...dying of hunger. So in the end, it's the context that makes it sadder than most news out there. Human conditioning (God induced or evolutionary induced or whatever you believe) also makes us react more to such unexpected events. In a war, people die - that's normal. What's not normal is for kids to be gunned down for apparently no reason. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:57 sekritzzz wrote: Its not that most people weep every time people/children die. It pretty much is, to put it bluntly, how little people care about lives in 3rd world countries. It mostly has to do with the media and how most powerful media is in the hands of 1st world countries. Incidents like the one that happened in the USA today, happen on an almost daily basis by the USA themselves in places such as Pakistan and Afghanistan through drones strikes/double tap. Incidents like the one that happened today are sadly mostly unpreventable, the ones happening on a daily basis by the USA are. Most people don't weep when people in their own country die, and I'd go on to say that pretty much everybody in this thread felt almost nothing regarding the shooting. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On December 15 2012 07:59 ssj114 wrote: It's the context that makes it sad. I understand your point, but you're being a little insensitive. These children weren't at "high risk" of being shot. Those 44,000 civilians were at high(er) risk. Not sure why you compared people born with HIV? Those people dying of hunger were at "high risk" of...dying of hunger. So in the end, it's the context that makes it sadder than most news out there. Human conditioning (God induced or evolutionary induced or whatever you believe) also makes us react more to such unexpected events. In a war, people die - that's normal. What's not normal is for kids to be gunned down for apparently no reason. I would say that it's the context that makes people more sad about it. It's foolish to ridicule those who feel sad, however - so long as they realize that it is not sociopathic to not be deeply impacted by this tragedy. The media coverage is shameful, regardless. | ||
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Aulisemia
United States123 Posts
You have to be a realist to get through life, you have to be realistic about what you are seeing and what the proper level of response is. "Bad" things happen to people every second of every day, it doesn't make it right or wrong, just or injust. It just is, that's how the universe works. It doesn't share your beliefs or morality system or even an altruistic level of empathy for those outside of one's Monkeysphere (Dunbar's number). Did you react in a similar manner for the 120,000 or so civilians who were killed, murdered and tortured during the extent of the Iraq war? Did you cry and sob over the decades of molestation committed by Catholic priests on young children? If the answer is no then I suggest that cherry picking is equal or perhaps a worse response than my perspective-based approach to dealing with it. | ||
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