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Meh, no point in not eating healthy because you like cute animals and don't like "the industry".
Whatever some pseudo doctor said about milk and eggs being bad I don't believe anyone with a gram of brain would trust.
Also, fun fact that i remembered.
Compared to normal sugar where over consumption is really hard the over consumption of fructose is really easy to do.
This actually causes both eating problems ( your liver doesn't secret as much insulin and thus you fell like you can eat more ) and digestive diseases problems ( normal glucose goes into the intestines thus feeding bacterias/parasites, this will generally help you with defection but if you have any already present harmful bacteria or parasite you will likely have 3 times the problems as a vegan ).
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Veganism and Vegetarianism are just lifestyle choices, nothing more. They do it because it makes them feel healthier or more superior for being "above" those who buy meat products or animal products more than any other reason. I've read the evidence for what they claim is "how humans are supposed to be" and its extremely biased. Enough to the point where I can't really take it seriously.
I'm a NASM-certified personal trainer. I worked near Washington D.C. in hospitals with recent-amputees (mostly war vets coming back from Middle-East regions) for nearly 3 years. I also worked with lighter cases where people were a bit overweight and trying to get back into shape. I just find that while there ARE athletes that are successful (I know there's some olympians too) being vegan/vegetarian, the benefits are truly marginal. I personally find it much easier to include a full diet for recovery. I don't think I ever looked at a muscular-dystrophy patient or a new amputee learning to use an artificial limb and thought "gosh you should cut out the strongest sources of protein".
I, myself just used my own methods for recovering from 3 surgeries which caused me to lose nearly 45 lbs of my body weight in the process. In just 3 months, I've gained all of it back and then a few pounds and feel more shredded than ever. I don't believe such a speedy recovery from so many operations could be possible with the far inferior protein intake.
While I don't believe the meat industry is operating properly at several levels, I also believe that most companies run that way. Banks, interest companies, credit companies etc all basically treat everything like its a number in a line and try to make all the money they can off you. Really I don't see how you can demonize the meat industry since so many other industries are so much more corrupt and hurt many more people (Monsanto/LIBOR scandal anyone?).
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On September 21 2012 21:31 Diks wrote:
Also : Gorillas are vegans :D
Also not true. Most of them eat caterpillars and other insects as well.
It was already said: Meat consumption played a big part in our evolution, first of all the development of our brain. We are omnivores and wouldn't have become what we are with just leaves, fruit and seeds. I'm not an expert, but i thought this was common knowledge.
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On September 21 2012 21:37 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 21:31 Diks wrote:
I turned vegan when I learned that humans are made to eat vegetables. We don't have any of the meat-eater animals parts (jaws, teeth, stomach, bacterial flore, etc...) We eat meat because of culture, taste and because it's easy to prepare.
Watching how the animals were treated before finishing in my local store truly disgusted me and made me do the first step.
Pretty damn sure our jaws, teeth, stomach, bacterial flora (though I presume this adjusts to your diet) are adapted to eating meat. AND vegetables.
But he turned a vegan! He is 100% sure man common didn't you hear? I'll repeat, he turned vegan!!!! That's gotta mean something right? I mean I started watching Suits so maybe I can practice law now!
I think he needs to learn what an omnivore is. Now that being said if you wanna just eat greens, be my guest, but don't piss on logic because you turned vegan and had some stupid revelation that is absolutely non-factual. It's almost borderline religious "I use to be Atheist, then god came to me and now I know we're mean't to be Christian!".
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If I passed out in a room full of animals they would devour the shit out of me.
So we gotta give them the same treatment.
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On September 21 2012 21:39 lem0ncake wrote:
every single vegetarian/vegan person i've ever met looked like they were dying of aids or something. it can't be healthy
Facepalmed so hard. Please, take a look at what you just said. Eating vegetables = dying of aids....
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On September 21 2012 21:39 lem0ncake wrote:
every single vegetarian/vegan person i've ever met looked like they were dying of aids or something. it can't be healthy
I'll bet you've met a whole lot who didn't, but most of us don't go about announcing we're veggie to everyone we meet. Vegans have it harder to get a healthy diet but it's totally achievable.
Also look around, how much of the UK population actually looks healthy, most everyone is hugely fat and half the population look like they've got the plaugu.
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On the point of humans being made to eat meat or not, while our teeth may suggest we're not exactly a top-of-the-line predator, we have digestive enzymes that clearly suggest a meat based diet. An example would be Gelatinase (found in the stomach) which is used to digest type I and type V gelatin and type IV and V collagen, which are proteoglycans in meat. Suggesting that we're not made to eat meat is simply untrue if you take a closer look at our digestive system. It clearly supports the consumption of both plant and animal matter. The only questionable product is milk, which you could argue that we are "meant to" (as in, its possible for the body to simply stop producing the relevant enzymes) stop eating. Whether that means we're not supposed to is a matter of opinion.
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"Vegans have it harder to get a healthy diet but it's totally achievable."
This is disapointing to me, i was hoping that one of the reasons to turn vegan was that it is more healthy but apearently in general a vegan diet is less healthy then a diet with meat,and a vegan diet has to be balanced verry carefull to make up for the lack of meat.
The only reason to become vegan then are ethical reasons.
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It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians/vegans of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians/vegans I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it.
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On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it.
This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious.
Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol.
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On September 21 2012 23:41 Rassy wrote:
"Vegans have it harder to get a healthy diet but it's totally achievable."
This is disapointing to me, i was hoping that one of the reasons to turn vegan was that it is more healthy but apearently in general a vegan diet is less healthy then a diet with meat,and a vegan diet has to be balanced verry carefull to make up for the lack of meat.
The only reason to become vegan then are ethical reasons.
Well - It gets easier if you accept supplements as part of your diet. For example b12 reinforced soy products and such. I'm not a vegan myself, so I haven't actually done this myself, but its perfectly possible if you bend a little here and there. If its purely a health issue for you though, eating a few eggs, a little bit of dairy products and meat a few times a week would - in my personal opinion - be a much easier, healthier alternative to going "all out". Combined with some awareness as to how the products you consume are produced, you can in my opinion get the best of both world. Then again, I'm not against meat consumption, so I'm biased. It does, of course, depend on your physical activity (as a professional soldier and enthusiastic "athlete", I can only echo the personal trainer who posted earlier), if you're very physically active, protein consumption becomes much more of an issue, and it becomes increasingly difficult to ignore the pros of lean meat.
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On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol.
Yes, there is http://www.vegetarianvegan.com/Vegan_Vs_Vegetarian.html
By the way, there is a lot of criticism on that study saying that it is biased and flawed. Also, many studies show the disadvantages of a grain/bean diet.
I'm doing Paleo right now : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261918
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On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol.
I know there is a difference. However even though I was only a vegetarian I got a lot of shit from self-righteous people. I imagine for vegans it's even worse, so my post is pretty relevant.
Edit- If you like I'll go back to edit my post to say vegetarian/vegan but, yeah, you are being kinda dumb lol.
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On September 21 2012 23:51 Badgesc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol. Yes, there is http://www.vegetarianvegan.com/Vegan_Vs_Vegetarian.htmlBy the way, there is a lot of criticism on that study saying that it is biased and flawed. Also, many studies show the disadvantages of a grain/bean diet. I'm doing Paleo right now : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261918
I wasn't asking if there is a difference, I was sarcastically asking if he knew the difference.
On September 21 2012 23:53 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol. I know there is a difference. However even though I was only a vegetarian I got a lot of shit from self-righteous people. I imagine for vegans it's even worse, so my post is pretty relevant. Edit- If you like I'll go back to edit my post to say vegetarian/vegan but, yeah, you are being kinda dumb lol.
Sorry you didn't understand the sarcasm, thought it was dumbed down enough that even you could figure it out. Not really surprised though lol.
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On September 21 2012 23:55 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:51 Badgesc wrote:On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol. Yes, there is http://www.vegetarianvegan.com/Vegan_Vs_Vegetarian.htmlBy the way, there is a lot of criticism on that study saying that it is biased and flawed. Also, many studies show the disadvantages of a grain/bean diet. I'm doing Paleo right now : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261918 I wasn't asking if there is a difference, I was sarcastically asking if he knew the difference.
I know perfectly well what the difference is. It doesn't change the point of what I was saying at all.
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How is it even possible in this day and age to not, "consume animal products?"
The clothes you wear, the glue you use, the plastics you use, the shoes, nail polish, and countless other products all use some form of animal.
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On September 21 2012 23:56 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 23:55 Feartheguru wrote:On September 21 2012 23:51 Badgesc wrote:On September 21 2012 23:48 Feartheguru wrote:On September 21 2012 23:44 tomatriedes wrote:
It's funny to me when I see this thread filled with people accusing vegetarians of being preachy, when in my experience it's the exact opposite. When I used to be vegetarian I never once tried to initiate a conversation about vegetarianism or persuade anyone to switch but every time I had a meal with non-vegetarians I had to put up with taunting, insults, pressure when they found out I wasn't going to order/consume meat. In the end I went back to eating meat just because it was easier just to eat it rather than put up with all that BS, even though I know a lot of the meat I eat comes from factory farms and it does bother me.
None of the other vegetarians I knew at uni were at all preachy either. Some of you need to look in the mirror and realize who really has the issue with it. This might sound like a dumb question but... I'm totally serious. Do you know that there is a difference between being a vegetarian and a vegan? Cause no one in this thread has been talking about vegetarians lol. Yes, there is http://www.vegetarianvegan.com/Vegan_Vs_Vegetarian.htmlBy the way, there is a lot of criticism on that study saying that it is biased and flawed. Also, many studies show the disadvantages of a grain/bean diet. I'm doing Paleo right now : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261918 I wasn't asking if there is a difference, I was sarcastically asking if he knew the difference. I know perfectly well what the difference is. It doesn't change the point of what I was saying at all.
Well, if you get abused for being a vegetarian then I think you might have some personal issues to take care of :/
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On September 21 2012 23:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 21:37 Passion wrote:On September 21 2012 21:31 Diks wrote:
I turned vegan when I learned that humans are made to eat vegetables. We don't have any of the meat-eater animals parts (jaws, teeth, stomach, bacterial flore, etc...) We eat meat because of culture, taste and because it's easy to prepare.
Watching how the animals were treated before finishing in my local store truly disgusted me and made me do the first step.
Pretty damn sure our jaws, teeth, stomach, bacterial flora (though I presume this adjusts to your diet) are adapted to eating meat. AND vegetables. But he turned a vegan! He is 100% sure man common didn't you hear? I'll repeat, he turned vegan!!!! That's gotta mean something right? I mean I started watching Suits so maybe I can practice law now! I think he needs to learn what an omnivore is. Now that being said if you wanna just eat greens, be my guest, but don't piss on logic because you turned vegan and had some stupid revelation that is absolutely non-factual. It's almost borderline religious "I use to be Atheist, then god came to me and now I know we're mean't to be Christian!".
I tried to keep it civil :p
But yea, for the last tens of thousands of years we've been including meat in our diet (as any species would if they can) and this has impacted our body. Like pretty much all omnivores, this doesn't mean we need to eat a certain amount of vegetables and meat, but rather that we can survive on either, as long as we ensure the necessary nutrient intake.
In the end, the wolrd is ruled by greed and laziness, and meat is just the easiest way to get as many proteins as possible.
Ps. Vegans reminds me more of atheists than religious people though! I've never met a religious person who tried to convince me of their ideas...
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Most teenagers that decide to go vegan on a whim/out of edginess don't do their research and fuck themselves up. My sister, for example, became iron deficient and it took her years to get back to normal.
I'm not saying that veganism isn't healthy, because it is, but it requires a hell of a lot more work than most trendy vegans understand.
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