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On September 12 2012 20:08 Eisregen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:
Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.
Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you. No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them. I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts. It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing. Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...
Yes, in a way. Try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning. What else have you got (weapons I suppose)? But. In a way no one did this to their "face". We just practice freedom of speech. "Giving up" isn't really an option. Not trying because you know it won't work isn't a great philosophy in itself. Bunch of quitters eh? But, as with many things, there are ways to go about things smartly, and not create "hate propaganda" against islam.
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Arab countries need to get rid of the fanatics otherwise as soon as oil is gone good they gonna slump lower in poverty than china and india were 50 years ago.
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On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are.
So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage?
Well this didn't take long for me to find:
"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191
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The most ridiculous part of this is a quote listed on CNN from one of the protestors
"I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"
We would go about our day and not give a single fuck. Shooting a rocket propelled grenade at the Egyptian embassy wouldn't really be on my list.
The saddest thing about this is that the pictures of the riots on CNN show that most of the protestors are young adults. This means that this problem with radical Islam isn't going away and it might get worse.
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On September 12 2012 21:41 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:29 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:25 Shiragaku wrote:On September 12 2012 21:18 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:13 redviper wrote:
I bet you none of these compare with the deaths in the cultural revolution (atheists), the holocaust (christians), world war 2 (christians and atheists), or the purges (atheists).
Shit this isn't even compared to how many people the US (christians) killed in Iraq.
See anyone can come up with bullshit stats. That completely misses the point. World War II and the Iraq War weren't started because of religion. The US doesn't kill because they are "Christian". Yet that's exactly what these Muslims did. They are murdering and rampaging, because their religion says that blasphemy is to be punished with death. But keep apologizing and making excuses on behalf of these primitive murderers. Yeah...they are just killing people because their religion tells them to. Nothing political or economic about it. I remember studying Islamic terrorist propaganda and though it has a small religious feel to it, that is not the main theme. How they get people to sympathize with organizations such as Al Quaeda is by talking about the horrors of Western Imperialism, sometimes true, often false, and often exaggerated should it be true, but there is more to Islamic violence than killing for the sake of religion. And guys...I know I am guilty of this, but let's try to talk about the politics of Libya rather than the nature of Islam. Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the world’s Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/bombing-our-illusions_b_8615.htmlTo ignore the fact that Islam enables and "justifies" this sort of murderous rampage is to miss the elephant in the room. I don't think it's fair to compare Islam (or any religion) to Buddhism to be honest. I must agree that there are a lot more radical Muslims than there are Christians and the like, though. But still, I believe a lot of Muslims have proper reason to be outraged. It would be better to compare Islam to that of Christianity (the crusades) and Judaism (the systematic genocide of Palestinians). But yes, I agree overall that Muslims are generally more radical than any other religion - that much is true. It's just, the people who actually go out suicide bombing and murdering people... they are an extreme minority of crazies. (And, just for the record, Buddhism did not inspire Japan's kamikaze attacks).
You're so wrong, if a muslim does a terrorist act (Which would make him an apostasizer) it get broadcast by all news channels, but when other people committ terrorist acts we get minimal coverage of the story. Go and research a little about what's happening in Burma, "Peaceful" buddhists are slaughtering muslims, they're almost as filthy as the US government but not quite there yet, you'd have to kill a lot more innocent people to reach the Guiness World Record which is currently held by the US government and by the looks of it, no one will ever top them in killing innocents, it's just what they are good at. I blame the US citizens for not knowing how to vote for a good presidential candidate. By the way, Breivik was a christian but that has nothing to do with the violent acts he did since we muslims don't generalise like other people.
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On September 12 2012 19:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:
The deaths came as protesters attacked U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday, angry about an online film considered offensive to Islam.
According to youtube the trailer has been available for almost 3 months.
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On September 12 2012 21:48 SgtWaffles wrote:
The most ridiculous part of this is a quote listed on CNN from one of the protestors
"I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"
We would go about our day and not give a single fuck. Shooting a rocket propelled grenade at the Egyptian embassy wouldn't really be on my list.
The saddest thing about this is that the pictures of the riots on CNN show that most of the protestors are young adults. This means that this problem with radical Islam isn't going away and it might get worse.
road to religious belief is paved with stupidity
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This makes me physically sick. I always belived that you can deal with islamic nations and should treat them all with respect. even more so the people who stood up and even died for freedom. But if this is what happenes in a "free nation" then we shouldn't bother with any of them. let the whole region stay in a barbaric religious dictatorship. let them stay the joke of the world and never become worth anything more then the oil that they squander away until they go back to chopping eachothers heads off. This wasn't even terrorism its just another day in the life of a barbaric arab nation.
Islam is a religion of peace my ass. insult them once and they kill people real peaceful.
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On September 12 2012 20:37 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 20:00 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:
Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.
Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you. Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people. Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish) Muhammed cartoons > Riots Muhammed movie > riots African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression Did you take the time to think as why it is a violent religion? They are the most persecuted, insulted religion, I'm not justifying radicals, and by the way, no wonder so many idiots join the terrorists when you see people generalize their WHOLE religion because of few crazy extremists, there are 1 600 000 000 muslims on our planet, maybe, I dont know but lets say 10%, 160 millions are extremists, maybe 1 million are actively helping terrorists or are terrorists, and people still bash them ALL the time, many of their countries have been in wars, most of them disregarding civilians population, they are pictured everywhere as evil and dangerous. So yeah, they are touchy when it comes to their religion, and especially to their prophet, so leave them the fuck alone in general. Christianity gets bashed all the time? Ahaha are you fucking kidding me? No "we're not" (i'm atheist, but european so... my town must have something like 10 churchs for 100 000 people, I live in a christian based culture), our medias are constantly biased on the view of Islam and spread fear about them, focusing on the few extremists, how rare it is that we actually see something about middle east countries that isnt terrorism or war. So of course this isnt a valid reason for innocent to get killed, especially a state official who's death will only bring more trouble and negative attention, but they have another fucking culture, some might consider it medieval and idiotic, some might find it barbaric, misogynist (dont know if it's the right word), I just find it different, they evolved from a completely different situation, they live in a completely different situation, just like some regions of Africa, China, India, South America, global medias, just brought the weird concept of "one retard makes a movie insulting X, 10 millions protest and attack ambassy because of it". God damn it I'm so fucking tired of the ignorant point of view people project on muslim countries, they wont ever set a foot there, they probably never knew a muslim person, but they feel able to generalize 1.6 FUCKING BILLION people over CNN and shit like that, it is whats wrong with humanity, you have access to information, but you just choose to deny it, eat what people feed you, and run copy pasta that shit around on the internet. Bleh Edit: Briefly checked you post history, you obviously are simply racist towards muslim and paranoid, you only post about that in every thread that is remotely related to middle east countries and Islam, well, guess I read you well the first time, keep up the hate man, only way to fight extremism is more extremism right?
I think 10% is a relativly large number here, if 10% of muslims were radical or extremist then we would have a serious problem on our hands.
However, from your post i see that you are justifying murders of innocent people because muslims are "touchy about their religion"
This is not a very good excuse, all forms of extremism should be dealt with hard, and rationally i think that if a religion is against personal freedom or freedom of speech i do not think it should be allowed.
The problem is that when religious slogans of killing are being praised and used in public, and that the general sense of killing is accepted within some parts of the religious Islamic people then the problem itself lies here, and it should not be "ok" and accepted the way it is today.
The world in my point of view is a lot more tolerant than it should be to extremism like this, people get tortured and killed for the smallest things because it does not fit the religious persons views, and therefore its ok to kill the person because of this.
I know that talking about religion on TL is should be done with caution and i know there are muslims on the board, i am absolutely not against religion itself, but i do not support "excuses" related to killing of innocent people and general extremism and i hope that muslims do more to show the good side of the religion and not accept things like this.
If not then people will obviously be paranoid and scared of muslims, i cant accept having to fear for my life because of another persons religious views and i hope you do the same.
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On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191
Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this?
You just got refuted so hard.
Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay?
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors.
Islam preaches self defense and forgiveness, either one of the two. God dislikes attackers and bullies, therefore you should not violate any innocent. However in war you don't hand out flowers, so if someone transgresses in war of course you should kill him, what would you suggest, giving him a massage?
YOUGOTOWNED
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On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are.
I bet you're even a little bit suprised that an Iraqi like me can speak english fluently, because I bet over there in America and Europe you thought we were cave dwelling freaks who deserved to die.
Iraqi's are not stupid, we had no Weapons of mass destruction, we had weapons of mass fuel conservation, Saddam Hussein was given power by the US and brought down by the US, former US ambassador April Glaspie had several talks with him, amongst them the famous Kuwait Invasion talk, in which April Glaspie states "We have no interest in your Arab-Arab conflicts" but yet they invaded Iraq anyways when Iraq attacked Kuwait.
Even if Iraqi's/Muslims (Note there are jews and christians in Iraq) were cave dwelling idiots, it doesn't take a NASA scientist to understand that the US invades countries for wealth not welfare (notice the difference) and that the zionistic fascistic new age Babylon must fall.
Sorry that you don't understand that I live in a free country, so I can draw any pictures of the prophet that I feel like and say anything about the prophet that I feel like. I'm free to flush any book down the toilet, including the Quran. And if I exercise my freedom to do these things I will not apologize for it.
Deal with it. Your reaction is infantile and insulting. I will call these terrorists, Muslims and Islamist because that's exactly what they are. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary to verify that I'm using these English words correctly.
We will not apologize or back down for exercising our freedom, regardless of how butthurt you get over it.
Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. [...] Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely. http://quran.com/33/57-61
If you don't understand that going on a murderous rampage is a completely unacceptable reaction to insults to your religion, then please enjoy living in the past or in an Islamic theocracy.
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On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this. You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. YOUGOTOWNED
You realise it's actually fun to bash on religions ?
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On September 12 2012 21:49 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:41 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 21:29 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:25 Shiragaku wrote:On September 12 2012 21:18 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:13 redviper wrote:
I bet you none of these compare with the deaths in the cultural revolution (atheists), the holocaust (christians), world war 2 (christians and atheists), or the purges (atheists).
Shit this isn't even compared to how many people the US (christians) killed in Iraq.
See anyone can come up with bullshit stats. That completely misses the point. World War II and the Iraq War weren't started because of religion. The US doesn't kill because they are "Christian". Yet that's exactly what these Muslims did. They are murdering and rampaging, because their religion says that blasphemy is to be punished with death. But keep apologizing and making excuses on behalf of these primitive murderers. Yeah...they are just killing people because their religion tells them to. Nothing political or economic about it. I remember studying Islamic terrorist propaganda and though it has a small religious feel to it, that is not the main theme. How they get people to sympathize with organizations such as Al Quaeda is by talking about the horrors of Western Imperialism, sometimes true, often false, and often exaggerated should it be true, but there is more to Islamic violence than killing for the sake of religion. And guys...I know I am guilty of this, but let's try to talk about the politics of Libya rather than the nature of Islam. Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the world’s Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/bombing-our-illusions_b_8615.htmlTo ignore the fact that Islam enables and "justifies" this sort of murderous rampage is to miss the elephant in the room. I don't think it's fair to compare Islam (or any religion) to Buddhism to be honest. I must agree that there are a lot more radical Muslims than there are Christians and the like, though. But still, I believe a lot of Muslims have proper reason to be outraged. It would be better to compare Islam to that of Christianity (the crusades) and Judaism (the systematic genocide of Palestinians). But yes, I agree overall that Muslims are generally more radical than any other religion - that much is true. It's just, the people who actually go out suicide bombing and murdering people... they are an extreme minority of crazies. (And, just for the record, Buddhism did not inspire Japan's kamikaze attacks). You're so wrong, if a muslim does a terrorist act (Which would make him an apostasizer) it get broadcast by all news channels, but when other people committ terrorist acts we get minimal coverage of the story. Go and research a little about what's happening in Burma, "Peaceful" buddhists are slaughtering muslims, they're almost as filthy as the US government but not quite there yet, you'd have to kill a lot more innocent people to reach the Guiness World Record which is currently held by the US government and by the looks of it, no one will ever top them in killing innocents, it's just what they are good at. I blame the US citizens for not knowing how to vote for a good presidential candidate. By the way, Breivik was a christian but that has nothing to do with the violent acts he did since we muslims don't generalise like other people.
Not sure why you're quoting me. I'm pretty much agreeing with you (aside from the fact that I believe in general Muslims are more radical in their beliefs than followers of most other religions).
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I'm done with this discussion, it takes so much discussing to just make 1 person believe you, how about turning the world against the real enemy, it can't be done. American News Channels brainwash several hundred thousand people a day, I can't make that many people realise the truth in a day.
I'm just going to live my life being peaceful to everybody who is peaceful to me, however the Qur'An preaches the right for self defense so if you attack me, you best expect retaliation.
United States of Babylon shall fall!
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Whenever I see news like this just pisses me off to no end.
I hope i will see the day in my lifetime when all religions will be banned by law.
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On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this? You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. Islam preaches self defense and forgiveness, either one of the two. God dislikes attackers and bullies, therefore you should not violate any innocent. However in war you don't hand out flowers, so if someone transgresses in war of course you should kill him, what would you suggest, giving him a massage? YOUGOTOWNED
Yep, as you say, kill the transgressors. And kill Bush.
But I thought you're against killing?
Religion of peace, my ass. More like hypocritical murderers.
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On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this. You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. YOUGOTOWNED
It's ok, we only kill transgressors!!!!!
But just remember that anything you say (or draw) that we don't like is transgression!
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I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things.
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On September 12 2012 22:03 GT3 wrote:
I'm done with this discussion, it takes so much discussing to just make 1 person believe you, how about turning the world against the real enemy, it can't be done. American News Channels brainwash several hundred thousand people a day, I can't make that many people realise the truth in a day.
I'm just going to live my life being peaceful to everybody who is peaceful to me, however the Qur'An preaches the right for self defense so if you attack me, you best expect retaliation.
United States of Babylon shall fall!
I think you're pretty much the brainwashed one
and go somewhere else spread your crap
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On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things.
what outrage ? any retard is free to post any retarded content over the internet
get over it
that a whole mob goes nuts and rampage ambassies because of a youtube trailer just shows how much these countries are beeing manipulated
edit : you hear gay jokes all day long, make some non stop, most of movies depicting homosexuals use insulting and retarded stereotypes, yet do you ever see a gay pride armed with rocket launchers trying to riot ambassies ?
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