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On September 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks. Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this.
Myself and others in this thread have already mentioned this - the Quran does not promote murderous rampages aside from self-defense. There is nowhere in the Quran that states that the drawing of the Prophet should be met with a death sentence. Once again, the people who go out on murder sprees and suicide bombing are small groups of fanatics.
And you know what, screw freedom of speech. It's an entirely Western principle. When you can't even respect the principles of another culture, how can you expect them to respect yours? A drawing of Muhammad may not be enough to justify murder and violence, but people have a right to be mad.
We live in a period where opposing cultures keep stepping on each other's toes. Nobody tries to actually understand. It's just a bunch of ignorance and bigotry.
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On September 12 2012 22:05 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this? You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. Islam preaches self defense and forgiveness, either one of the two. God dislikes attackers and bullies, therefore you should not violate any innocent. However in war you don't hand out flowers, so if someone transgresses in war of course you should kill him, what would you suggest, giving him a massage? YOUGOTOWNED Yep, as you say, kill the transgressors. And kill Bush. But I thought you're against killing? Religion of peace, my ass. More like hypocritical murderers.
As I said, the Quran preaches self defense, George W. Bush killed over 500 000 innocent Iraqi civilians and hurt many more. (www.iraqibodycount.org) this is a list of confirmed kills, uncorfimed kills estimates are 500 000-1 Million, and let's not talk about Abu Ghraib, the prison torture and humiliation of innocent Iraqi civilians.
It seems that you're either a dyslectic or have a minor reading problem, I said the Qur'An teaches self defense, the least we can do is kill Bush, or would you rather 500 000 - 1 Million Australian or American civilians dying, the Qur'an preaches eye for an eye, but in Islam we are not allowed to kill innocents, we have morals and ethics, something you and the american government is severely lacking in.
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On September 12 2012 22:25 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks. Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this. Myself and others in this thread have already mentioned this - the Quran does not promote murderous rampages aside from self-defense. There is nowhere in the Quran that states that the drawing of the Prophet should be met with a death sentence. Once again, the people who go out on murder sprees and suicide bombing are small groups of fanatics. And you know what, screw freedom of speech. It's an entirely Western principle. When you can't even respect the principles of another culture, how can you expect them to respect yours? A drawing of Muhammad may not be enough to justify murder and violence, but people have a right to be mad. We live in a period where opposing cultures keep stepping on each other's toes. Nobody tries to actually understand. It's just a bunch of ignorance and bigotry.
yeah bro, screw freedom of speech !
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On September 12 2012 22:22 Nevermind86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.
Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil. Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend. But bombing the Ghadafi troops along with civilians were humanitarian bombings to spread democracy around the world. What hipocrisy americans have. I just don't get how such smart people like americans can be so ignorant about some other things, why don't you stop 5 seconds to think before writing that. Think: Libia is a country that recently was bombared by the west, some people are really going to hate you, not because of your life style or because some other dumb reason about Mohammed or whatever, the true is they hate you for bombing them, period, now this is what happends when they get the chance of attacking back. Terrorism, humanitarian bombings, militias, peace troops, it's all the same, to them the american army are the terrorists and their militias are their brave military fighting for their freedom.
so what you're saying is. These people think that when he helped them free themselves from a military dictator and without said help they would be slaughtered continually. and they think that we're still the bad guys? and you are telling me that I should have respect for these people? They invaded our land and killed our people for what the dutch did. What do you want us to take from that?
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On September 12 2012 22:15 Mephy wrote:
Some posts in here that call Islam a "violent religion" are really fucking depressing. And I'm not even Muslim, I'm Christian. I sincerely hope people are able to make the distinction between a violent religion and fanatical extremists.
Islam at its roots is no more violent than any other religion in the world. I ask those who claim that Islam preaches violence - where exactly in the Quran does it call out for Muslims to actively murder and kill other non-Muslims? I can assure you that there are much, much more passages committed to spreading the message of peace and forgiveness. And please, please don't take messages out of context like the idiot on the previous page.
Some of the Muslims may have acted out of anger that someone insulted their religion, and you can argue that their killing was motivated by their interpretation of Islam. But in that case, why aren't the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims picking up their rocket launchers and going to war? You're looking at a very small group of fanatics (relatively) with their own warped interpretation of Islam, not the vast majority of the Muslim population, and then suddenly you decide its alright to label the entire Islamic religion as violent?
Want to stop the senseless killings and promote peace? Well you guys sure aren't helping with your uneducated comments. How about you start by understanding other religions and stop perpetuating these stereotypes?
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
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On September 12 2012 22:05 Svetz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this. You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. YOUGOTOWNED It's ok, we only kill transgressors!!!!! But just remember that anything you say (or draw) that we don't like is transgression!
It depends how you interpret the Quran some scholars may disagree with each other about the interpretation of this verse, but the way I see it, this verse preaches self defense and the right to kill enemies (people who want to kill you) The world isn't sunshine and rainbows, neither is it singing kumbaya my lord around a campfire. This world is disgusting, and you're one of the main contributors :D
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I feel like this could lead to war.
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On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this? You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. Islam preaches self defense and forgiveness, either one of the two. God dislikes attackers and bullies, therefore you should not violate any innocent. However in war you don't hand out flowers, so if someone transgresses in war of course you should kill him, what would you suggest, giving him a massage? YOUGOTOWNED
Oh man I got owned so hard, I think that if my religion spewed hatred, such like that of Islam, that I have enough substance to kill you now and be praised in the afterlife?
If you use the same tactics as those who oppose you, then you are just as bad as them.
I find it amazing you think my brain is simpleton. You believe that sugar mixes with water because Allah allows it to. If you don't believe that you're not a true follower of Islam. Are you a true follower of Islam?
The Christian religion does NOT advocate killing of those who oppose you, it preaches love to your enemy. I'm not even fucking religious, I think they're all bad, but I call a spade a spade.
This just shows that the "extemists" are not brought to justice from normal followers like you - because you think that ther actions are righteous.
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On September 12 2012 22:27 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:05 Svetz wrote:On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this. You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. YOUGOTOWNED It's ok, we only kill transgressors!!!!! But just remember that anything you say (or draw) that we don't like is transgression! It depends how you interpret the Quran some scholars may disagree with each other about the interpretation of this verse, but the way I see it, this verse preaches self defense and the right to kill enemies (people who want to kill you) The world isn't sunshine and rainbows, neither is it singing kumbaya my lord around a campfire. This world is disgusting, and you're one of the main contributors :D
And what about people live without trying to interpret a 1400 years old fiction that barely makes any sense in modern times?
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On September 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks. Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this.
If you're talking about the quote made on page 4, it was taken completely out of context.
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” (al-Baqarah 2:190-194)
0.001% of Muslim population would like to bomb the hell out of America. This 0.001% are motivated by their interpretations of the Quran. Hence, the Quran is an evil book that preaches violence, and all Muslims are violent people. Is this your logic? You're free to exercise your "freedom of speech" but I'm just saying you are pretty much embarrassing yourself with your hateful posts, pal.
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People need to stop getting all pissed off about shit.
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On September 12 2012 22:27 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:15 Mephy wrote:
Some posts in here that call Islam a "violent religion" are really fucking depressing. And I'm not even Muslim, I'm Christian. I sincerely hope people are able to make the distinction between a violent religion and fanatical extremists.
Islam at its roots is no more violent than any other religion in the world. I ask those who claim that Islam preaches violence - where exactly in the Quran does it call out for Muslims to actively murder and kill other non-Muslims? I can assure you that there are much, much more passages committed to spreading the message of peace and forgiveness. And please, please don't take messages out of context like the idiot on the previous page.
Some of the Muslims may have acted out of anger that someone insulted their religion, and you can argue that their killing was motivated by their interpretation of Islam. But in that case, why aren't the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims picking up their rocket launchers and going to war? You're looking at a very small group of fanatics (relatively) with their own warped interpretation of Islam, not the vast majority of the Muslim population, and then suddenly you decide its alright to label the entire Islamic religion as violent?
Want to stop the senseless killings and promote peace? Well you guys sure aren't helping with your uneducated comments. How about you start by understanding other religions and stop perpetuating these stereotypes? [3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
Now that you've found those, why don't you compile a list of passages that talk about peace and equality? Then we can find some sort of ratio and determine if Islam is violent.
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Islam is the true religion, unchanged from it's original message unlike the Tora and the Bible. They were both written by man. They had the same message as Islam but if 20 people stand in a line and each one whispers into the person infront of him a verse, it may sound completly different when it reaches the final destination.
Islam is the true religion repent or suffer in the hereafter, unless you have done good deeds and believed in god, then you will be rewarded.
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On September 12 2012 22:30 Mephy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks. Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this. If you're talking about the quote made on page 4, it was taken completely out of context. “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” (al-Baqarah 2:190-194) 0.001% of Muslim population would like to bomb the hell out of America. This 0.001% are motivated by their interpretations of the Quran. Hence, the Quran is an evil book that preaches violence, and all Muslims are violent people. Is this your logic? You're free to exercise your "freedom of speech" but I'm just saying you are pretty much embarrassing yourself with your hateful posts, pal.
Problem is that theocracies are held by these 0.001% that may want to force to whole rest to actually follow their crazy speeches based on a book.
Just like mein kampf
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On September 12 2012 22:31 GT3 wrote:
Islam is the true religion, unchanged from it's original message unlike the Tora and the Bible. They were both written by man. They had the same message as Islam but if 20 people stand in a line and each one whispers into the person infront of him a verse, it may sound completly different when it reaches the final destination.
Islam is the true religion repent or suffer in the hereafter, unless you have done good deeds and believed in god, then you will be rewarded.
Dude wake up its 2012.
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On September 12 2012 22:26 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:56 GT3 wrote:On September 12 2012 21:47 Silidons wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are. So because someone draws a picture of the prophet, that means you can riot in the streets in outrage? Well this didn't take long for me to find: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." -Qur'an 2:191 Well it didn't take you long to make yourself look like a fool because you just pulled a verse out of context, you need to look at the entire Sura, "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." 2:190. I agree that you should kill transgressors any day, among them George W. Bush, and yes we muslims don't go around drawing pictures of other religions prophets, why should we experience this? You just got refuted so hard. Edit ; Since you just pulled a verse out of context, I'm going to type out the context so your simpleton brain can understand, mmkay? "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." there's more but this give you a little more picture, pulling it out of context makes it seem like we muslims should kill everyone, but this verse is referring to transgressors. Islam preaches self defense and forgiveness, either one of the two. God dislikes attackers and bullies, therefore you should not violate any innocent. However in war you don't hand out flowers, so if someone transgresses in war of course you should kill him, what would you suggest, giving him a massage? YOUGOTOWNED Yep, as you say, kill the transgressors. And kill Bush. But I thought you're against killing? Religion of peace, my ass. More like hypocritical murderers. As I said, the Quran preaches self defense, George W. Bush killed over 500 000 innocent Iraqi civilians and hurt many more. (www.iraqibodycount.org) this is a list of confirmed kills, uncorfimed kills estimates are 500 000-1 Million, and let's not talk about Abu Ghraib, the prison torture and humiliation of innocent Iraqi civilians. It seems that you're either a dyslectic or have a minor reading problem, I said the Qur'An teaches self defense, the least we can do is kill Bush, or would you rather 500 000 - 1 Million Australian or American civilians dying, the Qur'an preaches eye for an eye, but in Islam we are not allowed to kill innocents, we have morals and ethics, something you and the american government is severely lacking in. Self defense is kill or be killed. If you kill Bush, it's not going to stop the War in Iraq. So how is that self defense. It's not? It's vengeance.
And what about the transgressors that you want to kill. Keep digging yourself deeper in a whole. All you've done is give excuses for murder. But keep saying Islam is a religion of peace. All your talk about killing people is really convincing me about just how peaceful Islam is.
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On September 12 2012 22:25 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:22 Nevermind86 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.
Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil. Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend. But bombing the Ghadafi troops along with civilians were humanitarian bombings to spread democracy around the world. What hipocrisy americans have. I just don't get how such smart people like americans can be so ignorant about some other things, why don't you stop 5 seconds to think before writing that. Think: Libia is a country that recently was bombared by the west, some people are really going to hate you, not because of your life style or because some other dumb reason about Mohammed or whatever, the true is they hate you for bombing them, period, now this is what happends when they get the chance of attacking back. Terrorism, humanitarian bombings, militias, peace troops, it's all the same, to them the american army are the terrorists and their militias are their brave military fighting for their freedom.
Northen french cities pretty much got destroyed by american / english bombs, yet we didn't hate them that much for that. And trust me it was much more hardcore than what happened in lybia.
He says Libia, you say Lybia, where does it end? =(. Edit: And again below me. It's Libya!
Anyway, extremists... killing people at random... You'd expect such radical things would only be done if it fucking accomplished something, but I guess you can't expect them to be rational.
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On September 12 2012 22:28 HeeroFX wrote:
I feel like this could lead to war.
stuff like this doesn't lead to war from reasonable and countries that have any real standing in the world. If anything this will just cause america to never help lybia again until they apologize for it.
we acidentaly bombed the chinese embassy in serbia when we were preventing a genocide and china didn't do anything to provoke a war with us.
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On September 12 2012 22:30 Mephy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks. Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this. If you're talking about the quote made on page 4, it was taken completely out of context. “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” (al-Baqarah 2:190-194) 0.001% of Muslim population would like to bomb the hell out of America. This 0.001% are motivated by their interpretations of the Quran. Hence, the Quran is an evil book that preaches violence, and all Muslims are violent people. Is this your logic? You're free to exercise your "freedom of speech" but I'm just saying you are pretty much embarrassing yourself with your hateful posts, pal.
Well said mon frere, j'ai parlez un peu francais, etudiant au francois au lycée
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On September 12 2012 22:33 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:28 HeeroFX wrote:
I feel like this could lead to war. stuff like this doesn't lead to war from reasonable and countries that have any real standing in the world. If anything this will just cause america to never help lybia again until they apologize for it. we acidentaly bombed the chinese embassy in serbia when we were preventing a genocide and china didn't do anything to provoke a war with us.
they don't need your "help" anymore.. i think you have done enough to destroy their country.
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