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Please don't use this thread as a platform to argue about religion. -semioldguy
ImFromPortugal
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Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 15:46:37
September 12 2012 10:42 GMT
#1
U.S. ambassador to Libya, 3 others killed in rocket attack, witness says


The United States ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was killed in a rocket attack on the American Consulate in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday, a contractor working at the mission said Wednesday after seeing Stevens' body.

Three American security staff were also killed, said the contractor, who asked not to be named for security reasons.

He said he saw all four bodies on the street Wednesday morning. The bodies are now in the Central Hospital in Benghazi, he said.

Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur appeared to confirm that the envoy had been killed, saying that Stevens was "a friend of Libya, and we are shocked at the the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi."

"I condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms. This is an attack on America, Libya and free people everywhere," Abushagur said on Twitter.

The contractor in Benghazi said he could hear rocket-propelled grenade attacks last night.

Libyans were also killed, the contractor said, saying the victims were shot on the spot.

The deaths came as protesters attacked U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday, angry about an online film considered offensive to Islam.

The United States has not confirmed the deaths.

Stevens was the American envoy to the Libyan rebel movement that overthrew dictator Moammar Gadhafi last year, based in the rebel capital of Benghazi.

A speaker of Arabic and French, he was among the first American diplomats sent to Libya in 2007 when the United States resumed ties with the Gadhafi regime.

The last time an American ambassador was killed by terrorists was in 1979, when the envoy to Afghanistan, Adolph Dubs, was kidnapped and killed during an attempt to rescue him, according to State Department records.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


On September 12 2012 23:00 Meta wrote:
Might want to add this to the OP:

Apparently these killings were a reaction to this ridiculous, hilariously bad film released yesterday. Freedom of speech will never happen in the middle east.



Source: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-the-anti-muhammed-movie-that-sparked-deadly-islamist-protests-in-egypt-libya-yesterday/#



US President Obama to give 10:35 am ET statement on killing of US ambassador's death; Sec Clinton to attend

US officials tell @NBCNews that State Department has requested additional units of Marines be airlifted to Libya to bolster security at US embassy


................................

Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests

Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew, led to protests at the U.S. consulate in Libya and the U.S. Embassy in Cairo; one American staffer killed in clashes.

Bacile, a California real estate developer in his fifties who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

"Islam is a cancer, period," he repeatedly said in a solemn, accented tone.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-after-anti-islam-movie-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459

KwarK edited the op to say:
One of the dead was a known and beloved online gamer and part of the EVE Online community. He was a hugely significant community member and was a player elected representative in EVE's CSM, a real life advisory council on the direction the game should take.
A fuller obituary can be found here.
http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

We hear about horrible news like this often in the world but often as a remote thing that happens to someone else. But for a significant portion of the gaming community this tragedy touched one of their own.


On September 14 2012 04:44 Brindled wrote:
OP, Please put this in your first post. I think it's important.

'This does not represent us': Pro-American rallies in Libya after terrorist attack that killed ambassador Chris Stevens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro-American-rallies-Libya-terrorist-attack-killed-ambassador-Chris-Stevens.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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Pro-American supporters have taken to the streets in Libya today to distance themselves from the rocket attack which killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens.

The diplomat, who has campaigned for peace in the Middle East, was killed by militants in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday.

Youngsters were among those who waved placards which stated 'this does not represent us' to express their dismay at the attacks.

One photograph shows a child holding a banner, which although containing some spelling mistakes had a clear message: 'Sorry people of America this is not the behaviour of our Islam and prophet,' it read.

Scribbled on another sign was the simple phrase 'Benghazi is against terrorism' while a third professed affection for the 52-year-old exclaiming: 'Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.'

A placard written in Arabic sent out a message to those attempting to exert their power on the war-torn country.

It said: 'No to al Qaeda, no to violence, this is a youth revolution.'

Another read: 'No No No to Al Qaeda.'

The rally came the day after Mr Stevens became the first U.S. ambassador to be killed by terrorism in 33 years.

Stevens was struck down in a rocket attack by forces unleashed after Muammar Gaddafi's power crumbled - an uprising the ambassador had strongly supported.



UPDATES:



On September 20 2012 11:34 Joedaddy wrote:
New developments:

TL/DR: U.S. Government officials are now labeling the attack as a terrorist attack. There is evidence suggesting a link between the attack and Al Qaeda. Sufyan Ben Qumu, a former Gitmo detainee and associate of Osama Bin Laden, is thought to have been involved and even may have led the attack.

While there hasn't been a final decision on what motivated the attack, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the youtube video had little/nothing to do with the attack. Consequently, the White House is back tracking on its claim that the youtube video is what sparked this attack.

+ Show Spoiler +
Intelligence sources tell Fox News they are convinced the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was directly tied to Al Qaeda -- with a former Guantanamo detainee involved.
That revelation comes on the same day a top Obama administration official called last week's deadly assault a "terrorist attack" -- the first time the attack has been described that way by the administration after claims it had been a "spontaneous" act.
"Yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy," Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said during a Senate hearing Wednesday.
Olsen echoed administration colleagues in saying U.S. officials have no specific intelligence about "significant advanced planning or coordination" for the attack.
However, his statement goes beyond White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, saying the Sept. 11 attack on the consulate was spontaneous. He is the first top administration official to call the strike an act of terrorism.
Sufyan Ben Qumu is thought to have been involved and even may have led the attack, Fox News' intelligence sources said. Qumu, a Libyan, was released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2007 and transferred into Libyan custody on the condition he be kept in jail. He was released by the Qaddafi regime as part of its reconciliation effort with Islamists in 2008.
His Guantanamo files also show he has ties to the financiers behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The declassified files also point to ties with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a known Al Qaeda affiliate.
Olson, repeating Wednesday that the FBI is handling the Benghazi investigation, also acknowledged the attack could lead back to Al Qaeda and its affiliates.
"We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda's affiliates, in particular Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb," he said at the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing.
Still, Olsen said "the facts that we have now indicate that this was an opportunistic attack on our embassy, the attack began and evolved and escalated over several hours," Olson said.
Carney said hours earlier that there still is "no evidence of a preplanned or pre-meditated attack," which occurred on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.
"I made that clear last week, Ambassador Rice made that clear Sunday," Carney said at the daily White House press briefing.
Rice appeared on "Fox News Sunday" and four other morning talk shows to say the attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was "spontaneous" and sparked by an early protest that day outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, over an anti-Islamic video.
"It was a reaction to a video that had nothing to do with the United States," Rice told Fox News. "The best information and the best assessment we have today is that this was not a pre-planned, pre-meditated attack. What happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo."
However, that account clashed with claims by the Libyan president that the attack was in fact premeditated. Other sources, including an intelligence source in Libya who spoke to Fox News, have echoed those claims. The intelligence source even said that, contrary to the suggestion by the Obama administration, there was no major protest in Benghazi before the deadly attack which killed four Americans. A U.S. official did not dispute the claim.
In the face of these conflicting accounts, Carney on Tuesday deferred to the ongoing investigation and opened the door to the possibility of other explanations.
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, called Wednesday for an independent review of the attack.
"A State Department Accountability Review Board to look into the Benghazi attack is not sufficient," Collins said. "Given the loss of the lives of four Americans who were serving their country and the serious questions that have been raised about the security at our Consulate in Benghazi, it is imperative that a non-political, no-holds-barred examination be conducted."

Source


There is also evidence supporting a theory that the protests and subsequent attack was in retaliation for the ongoing imprisonment of "The Blind Sheikh."

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Fox News has obtained a three-page intelligence report showing that two days before the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, a statement incited "sons of Egypt" to pressure America to release the so-called blind sheikh "even if it requires burning the embassy down with everyone in it."

The web statement, apparently posted on Sept. 9, was in reference to the embassy in Egypt. It preceded a throng of demonstrators breaching the U.S. Embassy wall in Cairo, supposedly in protest over an anti-Islam film. Obama administration officials claim that attackers in Libya then took their cue from Cairo and seized the opportunity to attack the consulate in Benghazi.


Full Article:
+ Show Spoiler +
Fox News has obtained a three-page intelligence report showing that two days before the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, a statement incited "sons of Egypt" to pressure America to release the so-called blind sheikh "even if it requires burning the embassy down with everyone in it."
The web statement, apparently posted on Sept. 9, was in reference to the embassy in Egypt. It preceded a throng of demonstrators breaching the U.S. Embassy wall in Cairo, supposedly in protest over an anti-Islam film. Obama administration officials claim that attackers in Libya then took their cue from Cairo and seized the opportunity to attack the consulate in Benghazi.
Though the administration's version of events is still evolving, the three-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report further highlights potential threats that were being picked up before last week's attack.
The DHS report, released on Sept. 11, said an "unidentified user" on an Arabic-language forum posted the statement "inciting Egyptians to target the U.S. Embassy, indicating the U.S. Embassy shouldn't remain in Egypt" until Omar Abdel-Rahman, also known as the blind sheikh, is released. Abdel-Rahman, who played a role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and other attacks, is serving a life sentence in U.S. prison.
The DHS document described the source of the warning as "fairly reliable."
The Sept. 9 statement said "the time has come for a strong movement from you, O sons of Egypt, to release the detained" sheikh. "Let your slogan be: No to the American Embassy in Egypt until our detained sheikh is released."
It continued: "Starting now, let the faithful among you form follow-up committees in charge of taking the necessary measures to force America to release the sheikh -- even if it requires burning the embassy down with everyone in it."
In addition to the threat over the sheikh, Reuters reported earlier this week that a U.S. cable on Sept. 10 warned the U.S. Embassy in Cairo of possible violence over the anti-Islam film.
Asked about that alleged warning, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney stressed Tuesday that everything is "under investigation in terms of what precipitated the attacks."
Meanwhile, lawmakers raised concern Wednesday that the Obama administration might actually be considering the sheikh's release. Several Republican chairmen of top House committees wrote a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton referencing a Breitbart.com report claiming the State Department was "actively negotiating" with Egypt's president about transferring the blind sheikh to Egyptian custody.
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland denied the report.
"Let me say as clearly as I can there is no plan to release the blind sheikh, there is no plan. To my knowledge we have not been approached about it recently by any senior Egyptians," she said Wednesday.
But House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King and others wrote to Holder and Clinton saying they were "concerned" about the reports.
"If these reports are true, such considerations would be extremely disconcerting as release of this convicted terrorist should not happen for any reason," they wrote. "The blind sheikh inspired the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, ordered the 1997 massacre of Western tourists at Luxor, Egypt, and issued the Islamic religious ruling that Osama bin Laden relied upon to justify the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. ...
"While considerations regarding the blind sheikh's release would be disturbing in any context, they are particularly alarming given recent events. The 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks was marked by the assassination of America's ambassador to Libya and an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Egypt. The violence in Egypt has been attributed, in part, to that government's demands for the blind sheikh's release. Succumbing to the demands of a country whose citizens threaten our embassy and the Americans serving in it would send a clear message that acts of violence will be responded to with appeasement rather than strength."
They urged the administration to keep Abdel-Rahman in the U.S., warning that releasing him would be seen as "a sign of weakness."

Source


I'm very curious to see what comes out of the ongoing investigations in the coming weeks.


Yes im
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
September 12 2012 10:50 GMT
#2
Ai.. that's messed up. Radical Islam killed another bunch of people and also a US ambassador. RIP to the deceased.

I hope this isn't going to be trend.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 12 2012 10:53 GMT
#3
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
September 12 2012 10:57 GMT
#4
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
September 12 2012 10:58 GMT
#5
On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.


Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
Bahamut1337
Profile Joined July 2012
Ghana205 Posts
September 12 2012 11:00 GMT
#6
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
September 12 2012 11:00 GMT
#7
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
Bahamut1337
Profile Joined July 2012
Ghana205 Posts
September 12 2012 11:04 GMT
#8
The Islamic Jihadists also attacked a Egyptian embassy. Perhaps time for the US to start picking proper allies instead of Pro Jihad nations.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88A11N20120911?irpc=932

Also not one, but three staff members were murderd by Jihad militia in Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
September 12 2012 11:08 GMT
#9
On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.

I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...

Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 12 2012 11:14 GMT
#10
On September 12 2012 20:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:
The Islamic Jihadists also attacked a Egyptian embassy. Perhaps time for the US to start picking proper allies instead of Pro Jihad nations.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88A11N20120911?irpc=932

Also not one, but three staff members were murderd by Jihad militia in Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html


"Pro Jihad nations"... what? Don't let a group of crazies distort your view of an entire nation.
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Bahamut1337
Profile Joined July 2012
Ghana205 Posts
September 12 2012 11:14 GMT
#11
On September 12 2012 20:08 Eisregen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.

I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...



In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.
Bahamut1337
Profile Joined July 2012
Ghana205 Posts
September 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#12
On September 12 2012 20:14 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 20:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:
The Islamic Jihadists also attacked a Egyptian embassy. Perhaps time for the US to start picking proper allies instead of Pro Jihad nations.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88A11N20120911?irpc=932

Also not one, but three staff members were murderd by Jihad militia in Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html


"Pro Jihad nations"... what? Don't let a group of crazies distort your view of an entire nation.


Since Egypt is ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood who has a nice little slogan

''The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[9][10] Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is "Islam is the solution."[8]''

Not to mention the close links of many elements of the Muslim Brotherhood with Jihad groups. Yes a pro Jihad nation.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:19:49
September 12 2012 11:19 GMT
#13
On September 12 2012 20:14 Bahamut1337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 20:08 Eisregen wrote:
On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.

I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...



In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.


first page, Nazi card allready played I am impressed mister.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:28:14
September 12 2012 11:19 GMT
#14
And on september fucking 11th as well... Im not american, but im fuming right now... Did you guys see the pictures of your half naked ambassador being dragged around by a mob??

Faith in the Arab Spring = gone
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:29:04
September 12 2012 11:26 GMT
#15
On September 12 2012 20:14 Bahamut1337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 20:08 Eisregen wrote:
On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.

I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...



In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.


You are aware that you keep intepreting things into me stating facts?
I dont give anyone a special status.

It is like in your private/business life. All your action have consequences you should/may think of. And if you release a movie stating islam=cancer and are surprised some simpletons are going crazy, then that is just bluntly said, a lie or the guy is incredible stupid.
(-> Here you can interpret, that I am not surprised of what happened at all and nothing else)

If you kill someone you have to face consequences, and I hope they will face consequences (though I doubt it).

I couldnt care less about religion and believers. They shall do what they want to as long as they keep their stuff for themselves and dont annoy me with their "reasoning".
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 12 2012 11:29 GMT
#16
On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:
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On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.


Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about -.-
FoTG fighting!
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 12 2012 11:30 GMT
#17
On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:
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On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.


Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.


Because neither of these things are terrorist actions in of themselves. Shooting rockets at an embassy is an act of war, and killing civilian witnesses is murder. These groups didn't plan it out to cause terror to invoke political change. It was more an aggressive action of militants rather than a terrorist action.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 12 2012 11:32 GMT
#18
On September 12 2012 20:19 ELA wrote:
And on september fucking 11th as well... Im not american, but im fuming right now... Did you guys see the pictures of your half naked ambassador being dragged around by a mob??

Faith in the Arab Spring = gone


Funny that you blame the Arab Spring for this. The intervention in Libya by Nato killed the Arab Spring dead. The NTC in libya was essentially people in exile because of crimes against libya. Incidentally, I wonder where this outrage was when Nato killed Qaddafi's grandchildren.
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:41:13
September 12 2012 11:37 GMT
#19
On September 12 2012 20:00 Bahamut1337 wrote:
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On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression


Did you take the time to think as why it is a violent religion? They are the most persecuted, insulted religion, I'm not justifying radicals, and by the way, no wonder so many idiots join the terrorists when you see people generalize their WHOLE religion because of few crazy extremists, there are 1 600 000 000 muslims on our planet, maybe, I dont know but lets say 10%, 160 millions are extremists, maybe 1 million are actively helping terrorists or are terrorists, and people still bash them ALL the time, many of their countries have been in wars, most of them disregarding civilians population, they are pictured everywhere as evil and dangerous.
So yeah, they are touchy when it comes to their religion, and especially to their prophet, so leave them the fuck alone in general. Christianity gets bashed all the time? Ahaha are you fucking kidding me? No "we're not" (i'm atheist, but european so... my town must have something like 10 churchs for 100 000 people, I live in a christian based culture), our medias are constantly biased on the view of Islam and spread fear about them, focusing on the few extremists, how rare it is that we actually see something about middle east countries that isnt terrorism or war.
So of course this isnt a valid reason for innocent to get killed, especially a state official who's death will only bring more trouble and negative attention, but they have another fucking culture, some might consider it medieval and idiotic, some might find it barbaric, misogynist (dont know if it's the right word), I just find it different, they evolved from a completely different situation, they live in a completely different situation, just like some regions of Africa, China, India, South America, global medias, just brought the weird concept of "one retard makes a movie insulting X, 10 millions protest and attack ambassy because of it".
God damn it I'm so fucking tired of the ignorant point of view people project on muslim countries, they wont ever set a foot there, they probably never knew a muslim person, but they feel able to generalize 1.6 FUCKING BILLION people over CNN and shit like that, it is whats wrong with humanity, you have access to information, but you just choose to deny it, eat what people feed you, and run copy pasta that shit around on the internet.
Bleh

Edit: Briefly checked you post history, you obviously are simply racist towards muslim and paranoid, you only post about that in every thread that is remotely related to middle east countries and Islam, well, guess I read you well the first time, keep up the hate man, only way to fight extremism is more extremism right?
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:39:17
September 12 2012 11:38 GMT
#20
On September 12 2012 20:00 Bahamut1337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression

...ever hear of the Inquisition? Islam now is equivalent to Catholocism then.
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