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On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things.
No.
How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV?
There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts.
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On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things.
We would be pissed just like when someone burns out flag and says death to america over and over again. but we won't go and kill chinese people just because some indonese people said and did bad things to our pride.
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RIP that really sucks
Some of the comments in this thread make me sick.. I guess the consens to do something against militant islamists would be much bigger, if we would call them by their second name: nazis.
They have a lot in common. They hate jews, they claim exclusive representation, everybody else gets prosecuted, converted or killed. They are against compound interest. Also the opinion of the average muslim about them seems to be pretty trivializing, like in nazi germany in the 30's. My guess is, that without foreign intervention, the muslims in the middle east will be in for a rude awakening, if the completely over the top religious fanatics will ever seize power in their countries.
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On September 12 2012 22:03 GT3 wrote:
I'm done with this discussion, it takes so much discussing to just make 1 person believe you, how about turning the world against the real enemy, it can't be done. American News Channels brainwash several hundred thousand people a day, I can't make that many people realise the truth in a day.
I'm just going to live my life being peaceful to everybody who is peaceful to me, however the Qur'An preaches the right for self defense so if you attack me, you best expect retaliation.
United States of Babylon shall fall!
Run away, hypocrite.
After all, you've claimed that Islam the religion of peace, and in the same breath called for the murder of Bush and transgressors.
How brainwashed do you have to be to not see that rampaging Muslims have continuously rioted and killed people because someone has insulted their religion. Are you denying that these videoed events happened?
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On September 12 2012 22:08 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. what outrage ? any retard is free to post any retarded content over the internet get over it that a whole mob goes nuts and rampage ambassies because of a youtube trailer just shows how much these countries are beeing manipulated edit : you hear gay jokes all day long, make some non stop, most of movies depicting homosexuals use insulting and retarded stereotypes, yet do you ever see a gay pride armed with rocket launchers trying to riot ambassies ?
Yeah, you wouldn't be saying the same if it were your parents being slandered and insulted for the whole world to see.
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On September 12 2012 22:10 AngryMag wrote:RIP that really sucks Some of the comments in this thread make me sick.. I guess the consens to do something against militant islamists would be much bigger, if we would call them by their second name: nazis. They have a lot in common. They hate jews, they claim exclusive representation, everybody else gets prosecuted, converted or killed. They are against compound interest. Also the opinion of the average muslim about them seems to be pretty trivializing, like in nazi germany in the 30's. My guess is, that without foreign intervention, the muslims in the middle east will be in for a rude awakening, if the completely over the top religious fanatics will ever seize power in their countries.
they already seized it =[
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On September 12 2012 22:11 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:08 Boonbag wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. what outrage ? any retard is free to post any retarded content over the internet get over it that a whole mob goes nuts and rampage ambassies because of a youtube trailer just shows how much these countries are beeing manipulated edit : you hear gay jokes all day long, make some non stop, most of movies depicting homosexuals use insulting and retarded stereotypes, yet do you ever see a gay pride armed with rocket launchers trying to riot ambassies ? Yeah, you wouldn't be saying the same if it were your parents being slandered and insulted for the whole world to see.
so you believe beeing the son of an imaginary character of a 14 century old fiction?
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On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts.
No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks.
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On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks.
prob is what you write barely makes any sense at all
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I'm all for freedom of religion... until it interrupts the person freedoms of others involved.
Believe that you need to be circumcised? Fine by me.
Forced circumcision on unwilling / female genital mutiation? Nope.
Believe you shouldn't draw photos of your prophet? Ok.
Kill anyone who does? There's a difference between freedom of religion and barbarism.
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Some posts in here that call Islam a "violent religion" are really fucking depressing. And I'm not even Muslim, I'm Christian. I sincerely hope people are able to make the distinction between a violent religion and fanatical extremists.
Islam at its roots is no more violent than any other religion in the world. I ask those who claim that Islam preaches violence - where exactly in the Quran does it call out for Muslims to actively murder and kill other non-Muslims? I can assure you that there are much, much more passages committed to spreading the message of peace and forgiveness. And please, please don't take messages out of context like the idiot on the previous page.
Some of the Muslims may have acted out of anger that someone insulted their religion, and you can argue that their killing was motivated by their interpretation of Islam. But in that case, why aren't the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims picking up their rocket launchers and going to war? You're looking at a very small group of fanatics (relatively) with their own warped interpretation of Islam, not the vast majority of the Muslim population, and then suddenly you decide its alright to label the entire Islamic religion as violent?
Want to stop the senseless killings and promote peace? Well you guys sure aren't helping with your uneducated comments. How about you start by understanding other religions and stop perpetuating these stereotypes?
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On September 12 2012 22:12 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:08 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 22:05 Souma wrote:
I mean, honestly, people, what if it was your mom or dad people were broadcasting on television and publicly slandering and insulting? Would it be so fun then? I'm in no way justifying the murder of the Ambassador and other innocents, but you have to at least understand the general outrage against such things. No. How often do people kill and rampage in the US, because their parents are insulted on national TV? There is no justification for this. Stop making excuses for these primitive, religious nuts. No, we don't have to kill and rampage - we can sue people. But we're outraged nonetheless. We just don't kill people. But you admit, you wouldn't be too happy with it. And I did not justify the murders - read what I wrote. Thanks.
Then what's your point? The fact that they can justify going on a murderous rampage is tied directly to the tenets of Islam. There have been quotes given in the previous page. The fact is Islam is a religion that enables it's followers to justify going on a murderous rampage like this.
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And people are saying that military presence should be drastically reduced....
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On September 12 2012 21:57 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are.
I bet you're even a little bit suprised that an Iraqi like me can speak english fluently, because I bet over there in America and Europe you thought we were cave dwelling freaks who deserved to die.
Iraqi's are not stupid, we had no Weapons of mass destruction, we had weapons of mass fuel conservation, Saddam Hussein was given power by the US and brought down by the US, former US ambassador April Glaspie had several talks with him, amongst them the famous Kuwait Invasion talk, in which April Glaspie states "We have no interest in your Arab-Arab conflicts" but yet they invaded Iraq anyways when Iraq attacked Kuwait.
Even if Iraqi's/Muslims (Note there are jews and christians in Iraq) were cave dwelling idiots, it doesn't take a NASA scientist to understand that the US invades countries for wealth not welfare (notice the difference) and that the zionistic fascistic new age Babylon must fall. Sorry that you don't understand that I live in a free country, so I can draw any pictures of the prophet that I feel like and say anything about the prophet that I feel like. I'm free to flush any book down the toilet, including the Quran. And if I exercise my freedom to do these things I will not apologize for it. Deal with it. Your reaction is infantile and insulting. I will call these terrorists, Muslims and Islamist because that's exactly what they are. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary to verify that I'm using these English words correctly. We will not apologize or back down for exercising our freedom, regardless of how butthurt you get over it. Show nested quote +Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. [...] Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely. http://quran.com/33/57-61 If you don't understand that going on a murderous rampage is a completely unacceptable reaction to insults to your religion, then please enjoy living in the past or in an Islamic theocracy.
I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you shouldn't, and there are some dangerous people out there that like to call themselves muslims that can hurt you. But I don't care about your health and well being. You will be punished by god in due time. However I am very glad that you're over there in the island called Australia far away from me the purity and sanctity of mekka.
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On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.
Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil. Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.
But bombing the Ghadafi troops along with civilians were humanitarian bombings to spread democracy around the world.
What hipocrisy americans have. I just don't get how such smart people like americans can be so ignorant about some other things, why don't you stop 5 seconds to think before writing that. Think: Libia is a country that recently was bombared by the west, some people are really going to hate you, not because of your life style or because some other dumb reason about Mohammed or whatever, the true is they hate you for bombing them, period, now this is what happends when they get the chance of attacking back. Terrorism, humanitarian bombings, militias, peace troops, it's all the same, to them the american army are the terrorists and their militias are their brave military fighting for their freedom.
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On September 12 2012 22:21 GT3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:57 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 12 2012 21:39 GT3 wrote:
When talking about terrorists refrain from using the terms "Muslim" or "Islamist" the Qur'An clearly states that you are not allowed to harm innocents, suicide or even harm animals. But you're so brainwashed by your propaganda news channels that the illuminati happily provides for you. We ask one thing, and that is that you do not draw pictures of our prophets, the same with Jesus (Peace be upon him) who is also a muslim prophet, and Moses (PBUH) aswell. But no you get your facts about islam from anti-islam sites and propaganda channels, have you ever given it a thought that you could do research yourself and find the exact verses as they are in the Qur'An (www.quran.com)
I don't see you talking about Breivik here, but I guess that's just because he has blonde hair and no beard. Besides when depicting arabs stop drawing turbans on our heads, we don't wear turbans, that's what hindus do, just proves how uninformed you really are.
I bet you're even a little bit suprised that an Iraqi like me can speak english fluently, because I bet over there in America and Europe you thought we were cave dwelling freaks who deserved to die.
Iraqi's are not stupid, we had no Weapons of mass destruction, we had weapons of mass fuel conservation, Saddam Hussein was given power by the US and brought down by the US, former US ambassador April Glaspie had several talks with him, amongst them the famous Kuwait Invasion talk, in which April Glaspie states "We have no interest in your Arab-Arab conflicts" but yet they invaded Iraq anyways when Iraq attacked Kuwait.
Even if Iraqi's/Muslims (Note there are jews and christians in Iraq) were cave dwelling idiots, it doesn't take a NASA scientist to understand that the US invades countries for wealth not welfare (notice the difference) and that the zionistic fascistic new age Babylon must fall. Sorry that you don't understand that I live in a free country, so I can draw any pictures of the prophet that I feel like and say anything about the prophet that I feel like. I'm free to flush any book down the toilet, including the Quran. And if I exercise my freedom to do these things I will not apologize for it. Deal with it. Your reaction is infantile and insulting. I will call these terrorists, Muslims and Islamist because that's exactly what they are. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary to verify that I'm using these English words correctly. We will not apologize or back down for exercising our freedom, regardless of how butthurt you get over it. Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. [...] Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely. http://quran.com/33/57-61If you don't understand that going on a murderous rampage is a completely unacceptable reaction to insults to your religion, then please enjoy living in the past or in an Islamic theocracy. I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you shouldn't, and there are some dangerous people out there that like to call themselves muslims that can hurt you. But I don't care about your health and well being. You will be punished by god in due time. However I am very glad that you're over there in the island called Australia far away from me the purity and sanctity of mekka.
you're hilarious
you just sound like a monty python movie
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And why USA again? They werent even playing the first role in the hostilities. This is stupid.
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On September 12 2012 22:22 Nevermind86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.
Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil. Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend. But bombing the Ghadafi troops along with civilians were humanitarian bombings to spread democracy around the world. What hipocrisy americans have. I just don't get how such smart people like americans can be so ignorant about some other things, why don't you stop 5 seconds to think before writing that. Think: Libia is a country that recently was bombared by the west, some people are really going to hate you, not because of your life style or because some other dumb reason about Mohammed or whatever, the true is they hate you for bombing them, period, now this is what happends when they get the chance of attacking back. Terrorism, humanitarian bombings, militias, peace troops, it's all the same, to them the american army are the terrorists and their militias are their brave military fighting for their freedom.
Northen french cities pretty much got destroyed by american / english bombs, yet we didn't hate them that much for that. And trust me it was much more hardcore than what happened in lybia.
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