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Please don't use this thread as a platform to argue about religion. -semioldguy
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
November 08 2013 03:16 GMT
#861
On November 08 2013 11:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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In the possible first sign of a major climbdown, "60 Minutes" announced Thursday night that it is "reviewing" its controversial report on the Benghazi attacks after finding what reports say is further evidence that one of its main sources changed his account of events repeatedly.

The CBS program came under repeated criticism after it was revealed that the source—a security officer named Dylan Davies who provided correspondent Lara Logan with an eye-popping, made-for-TV account of the tragic events in Benghazi—had previously lied about his whereabouts on the night of the attack, throwing into question whether the story he told to "60 Minutes" could be trusted.

"60 Minutes" initially defended itself, with the show's executive producer Jeff Fager telling HuffPost's Michael Calderone that he was "proud" of the report and Logan attributing the scrutiny to political partisanship.

However, on Thursday night, the show issued a statement saying that it had found new information. Using Davies' pseudonym, Morgan Jones, "60 Minutes" said it was looking to see whether it had been lied to:

60 Minutes has learned of new information that undercuts the account told to us by Morgan Jones of his actions on the night of the attack on the Benghazi compound.
We are currently looking into this serious matter to determine if he misled us, and if so, we will make a correction.


Source


Their report on Operation Genoa is full of holes.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#862
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#863
3 more years for Sorkin.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 29 2013 02:07 GMT
#864
On October 11 2012 05:00 jdseemoreglass wrote:
There was no protest at the compound prior to the attack.
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Prior to the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi late in the evening on Sept. 11, there was no protest outside the compound, a senior State Department official confirmed today, contradicting initial administration statements suggesting that the attack was an opportunistic reaction to unrest caused by an anti-Islam video.

In a conference call with reporters Tuesday, two senior State Department officials gave a detailed accounting of the events that lead to the death of Amb. Chris Stevens and three other Americans. The officials said that prior to the massive attack on the Benghazi compound by dozens of militants carrying heavy weaponry, there was no unrest outside the walls of the compound and no protest that anyone inside the compound was aware of.

In fact, Stevens hosted a series of meetings on the compound throughout the day, ending with a meeting with a Turkish diplomat that began at 7:30 in the evening, and all was quiet in the area.

"The ambassador walked guests out at 8:30 or so; there was nobody on the street. Then at 9:40 they saw on the security cameras that there were armed men invading the compound," a senior State Department official said. "Everything is calm at 8:30 pm, there is nothing unusual. There had been nothing unusual during the day outside."
Foreign Policy Report


The State Department denies that it ever claimed it was a protest due to a YouTube video that took place.
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The State Department says it never concluded that an attack that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya was simply a protest gone awry, a statement that places the Obama administration’s own foreign policy arm in sync with Republicans.

That extraordinary message, appearing to question the administration’s initial description of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, came in a department briefing Tuesday — a day before a hearing on diplomatic security in Libya was to be held by the Republican-led House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The committee’s chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., has accused the State Department of turning aside pleas from its diplomats in Libya to increase security in the months and weeks before Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans died in the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi. One scheduled witness Wednesday, Eric Nordstrom, is the former chief security officer for U.S. diplomats in Libya who told the committee his pleas for more security were ignored.

Briefing reporters Tuesday ahead of the hearing, department officials were asked about the administration’s initial — and since retracted — explanation linking the violence to protests over an American-made anti-Muslim video circulating on the Internet. One official responded, “That was not our conclusion.” He called it a question for “others” to answer, without specifying.
AP Report


Pentagon confirms the attack was pre-planned by terrorist organization, Democrats join Republicans in criticizing Obama administration.
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Senate Democrats joined Republicans Thursday in questioning the Obama administration's handling of the fatal Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya and why the administration refused for days to acknowledge that it was a terrorist attack linked to al Qaeda.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., circulated a bipartisan letter addressed to Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Nides, asking for an "accounting of the attacks against U.S. missions in Egypt, Libya and Yemen," according to a copy obtained by The Washington Examiner.

The lawmakers are also demanding to know whether the administration had any advance warnings of the Libyan attack and, if so, whether it had shared that information with U.S. personnel on the ground.

President Obama came under intense criticism because the administration's explanation for what happened at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi kept changing. For days, the administration insisted to the public and Congress that the attack was a spontaneous reaction to an American-made anti-Muslim video. As recently as Tuesday, in an address to the United Nations, Obama was blaming the video for inciting the attack.

But as evidence came to light showing that mortar rounds had been fired into the U.S. compound and that the attack had been carefully planned, the administration's explanation changed. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first suggested in a high-level meeting at the U.N. that there could be a link between al Qaeda and "other violent extremists" and the attack in Benghazi.

On Thursday, the Pentagon confirmed that the attack was the work of a terrorist organization and not related to the anti-Muslim video.

"It was a terrorist attack," Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said at a news conference.

The Obama administration clearly had been hoping that the Libya attack would fade in the public's consciousness, said James Carafano, a defense expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation. With congressional Democrats now also questioning how events unfolded, however, that's not likely to happen.

"Their hope was that on Monday, when the facts started to come out, everyone would have moved on, and that was a miscalculation on their part," Carafano said. "The one thing you can't do is have people intentionally lying to Congress or withholding information from Congress and then think you are not going to pay a price for that."
Washington Examiner


Claims are rising that the Obama administration intentionally misled the people regarding attack.
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The Obama administration's lies about the Benghazi attack continue to unravel. The President would like us to believe that he and his spokespeople have merely passed on the best intelligence they had as it evolved. But the State Department said yesterday that it never concluded that there was a protest outside the consulate.

For seven days after the attack, the Obama administration clung to its YouTube protest fiction. Then, the White House claimed to have received new information that the attack was terrorism, planned in advance and unrelated to a protest. Yesterday's State Department admission reveals this "evolving intelligence" claim to be yet another lie.

Within 24 hours of the attack, U.S. intelligence suspected that it was terrorism linked to Al Qaeda. At the time, the Obama administration was still claiming it was merely a spontaneous protest that got out of hand.

By September 13, the President had internally designated the attack an act of terrorism so that he would have the legal authority to mobilize military and intelligence assets. But, for the next five days, his spokespeople, most notably Press Secretary Jay Carney and U.N. Ambassador Rice, continued to insist that the attack started as a protest.

The State Department is now saying that, like the intelligence agencies, it never concluded that the attack grew out of a protest. So why did the Obama administration continue to tell the protest lie to the public for a week after the attack?

I'll tell you why.

The President would have been in a tough spot if he had admitted at the time of the attack and murder of a U.S. ambassador that it was Al Qaeda-linked terrorism. After all, he had, only five days earlier, boasted at the Democratic National Convention that "Al-Qaeda is on the path to defeat."

A disaster like the premeditated slaying of a U.S. ambassador would also call into question Obama's entire Libyan adventure. In truth, the very act of toppling Gaddafi made the region less safe, less stable, and less manageable. And responsibility for that lies solely with President Obama, since he failed even to ask Congress for authorization to attack Libya.

To avoid the indignity of being called to account for his own failed policies, the President and his staff concocted a lie. It was a plausible lie, though it rested on the absurd stereotype that Middle Eastern mobs carry mortars with them. But it was a lie and it was designed to direct the public's attentions away from Obama's own failures.
Daily News Blog


Interesting thoughts. It took a while for this report to come out, but here's what actually happened:
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?hp#/?chapt=0

Sorry to kill the anti-Obama hype train!
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
December 29 2013 02:24 GMT
#865
I'm algeric to large blocks of black text on a white background. can you tell me what happened?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 04:24:05
December 29 2013 04:12 GMT
#866
Friend, there is no need to clarify you are allergic (algeric??) to reading. And I could tell you what happened, but that wouldn't be as ideal as you simply reading in depth about exactly what happened.

Here's the link in case you might've, ehm, missed it:
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?hp#/?chapt=0

If you're really just that lazy though, then I suppose I can leave you with the simple reassurance that it was not a sophisticated attack planned in advance by Al Qaeda operatives which was subsequently covered up by Obama as some sort of ridiculous conspiracy. It was -- surprise -- actually rather more complex than the inane "Obama done gone n' cover'd up that there Al Qaeda plots", which you can see for yourself by reading the report

Remember when all the extremist republicans were raging hard about Obama covering up an AQ attack to save face after having claimed AQ had been weakened significantly, and how anti-American that was -- yet another item among the litany of Obama-bash material? We knew it was nonsense then, but now we can see clearly by this report that it was...nonsense!
BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 15:21:36
December 29 2013 15:19 GMT
#867
On December 29 2013 13:12 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Friend, there is no need to clarify you are allergic (algeric??) to reading. And I could tell you what happened, but that wouldn't be as ideal as you simply reading in depth about exactly what happened.

Here's the link in case you might've, ehm, missed it:
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?hp#/?chapt=0

If you're really just that lazy though, then I suppose I can leave you with the simple reassurance that it was not a sophisticated attack planned in advance by Al Qaeda operatives which was subsequently covered up by Obama as some sort of ridiculous conspiracy. It was -- surprise -- actually rather more complex than the inane "Obama done gone n' cover'd up that there Al Qaeda plots", which you can see for yourself by reading the report

Remember when all the extremist republicans were raging hard about Obama covering up an AQ attack to save face after having claimed AQ had been weakened significantly, and how anti-American that was -- yet another item among the litany of Obama-bash material? We knew it was nonsense then, but now we can see clearly by this report that it was...nonsense!


As much as in-depth the NY Times article was, I wish you read the responses to it before you spit out your claim of victory and the post-analysis to this as if it was a done deal. The two biggest questions to this article is the fact that whether or not the militia, Ansar al-Shariah, should considered either associated or under the umbrella of Al Qaeda. A republican senator (yes yes I know, but bear with me) already noted that while this question is more about semantics, it's a critical piece for the editors to claim Al Qaeda was not involved. I know the piece briefly mentioned Al Qaeda's attempts to gain a foothold in Libya, but it already went under the assumption that the militia and the terrorist group were a separate independent entity.

My honest opinion though is that this incident will never be fully realized. Republicans are trying to use this as a witch hunt against Obama's administration and Hillary Clinton. Democrats and liberals use it to portray Republicans and conservatives as being political vultures not only on this tragedy but in general. Obama wants to move on after being thoroughly embarrassed and criticized. Individual actors, chiefly former State employees at the site (or none at all), are using it flame their employers and profit or gain fame from it. Libyans themselves seem to have no coherent single narrative on this incident either.

What's done is done. An ambassador is killed. Politicians, conservatives, and liberals have stretched as much as they can for their benefit. All that matters is for the State Department to learn from this and make sure such incidents never happen again.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 17:02:13
December 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#868
Wish I'd read the responses to it before posting.... as in, the internet comments in the commentary sections..?

And as for the "two questions that remain unanswered" (you actually only provided one -- whether Ansar al-Sharia = AQ controlled)... Per the investigation there appears to be no significant link between the local militias involved in the attack and AQ. If the republican senator wants to be taken seriously with his "but but but Al Qaeda!!!" then he ought to provide some, er, you know, evidence.

You did nail it though -- certain lowest common denominator republicans tried to use it as a smear campaign and probably succeeded to some extent since it took so long for a somewhat firm picture to emerge of what actually happened.
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