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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10325 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: 1984 was a lot more than watching people. The point is that one of the dangers in 1984 is becoming present in our society, and thus it is possible that more things in 1984 could become true in the future. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:50 cydial wrote: This is old news, sorry. It isn't :/ | ||
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ireverie
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: The point is that one of the dangers in 1984 is becoming present in our society, and thus it is possible that more things in 1984 could become true in the future. Not really. Orwell warned society that 1984 could develop in the modern world. Soviet Union was a perfect example of 1984 (basically because 1984 is based upon the idea of USSR), do you see a lot of Soviet Union in the US? | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:39 Maxd11 wrote: Not being paranoid≠no sense of morality. I can't even begin to understand how someone can compare supporting a mass murderer to simply not caring if there happens to be video footage of you somewhere that nobody but a computer will have access to unless you committed a serious crime. It has to start somewhere, ignorance allowed Hitler to gain power and once he did, well let's just say trying to stop him within Germany gave you a quick ticket to death. Once you allow power to freely be taken away, sure maybe it's not corrupt at first but if history has shown anything, power corrupts. I'd prefer to not let it get that far again. | ||
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:52 ireverie wrote: Not really. Orwell warned society that 1984 could develop in the modern world. Soviet Union was a perfect example of 1984 (basically because 1984 is based upon the idea of USSR), do you see a lot of Soviet Union in the US? You're taking the analogy between the book and real life too seriously. What is happening today, with the government watching everyone always, is similar to the situation with Big Brother in 1984. That's all they're saying. Not that the US is turning into the USSR. Try and understand what people are trying to say, instead of taking every word they said literally and pointing out any faults, it makes for a more lively, friendlier discussion. On August 11 2012 11:50 cydial wrote: This is old news, sorry. Source? And ON TOPIC: I don't care if the government knows where I'm shopping, as long as they're not watching me in my home. It's a little eery, but I believe their intention isn't to make my life worse, so it isn't terrible in my eyes. Maybe this is the next step to personalized ad's everywhere you go like in the movie Minority Report? Eye transplant, anyone? | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
The only way we can actually move forwards as a society and up into advanced technologies which include things such as long-distance space-travel, is to have a world government in my view. Right now, you may think we're advanced, but what is the main thing societies are involved with still? Tribal Warfare. Very primitive if you ask me. | ||
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ireverie
Russian Federation19 Posts
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
Honestly... I don't see why it really matters. Unless you're running a meth lab out of your kitchen or making bombs in someone's basement, there's no reason for them to do ANYTHING EVER with this information.. It's about preventing things before they get out of hand. And to be honest, unless there's something big they're planning like Mind Control, then fuck it! Who cares! | ||
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Niflheim
United States313 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:36 Whitewing wrote: You wouldn't know the intent, but the fact that you can't know it, and therefore can't hold your government responsible, is a serious problem. Government should strive to avoid doing anything that isn't obviously beneficial, and the intent of private corporations is obvious, to generate a profit. Power over the public is not the same thing as power over an individual. You do understand the distinction between power over one person and power over every person? I guess I'm missing when our government has ever been completely transparent and able to be held accountable for everything they do... now I am not saying that this would be a bad thing... it would be quite nice but it is nothing but a pipe dream in my opinion... so, I don't see how anything has changed ... the amount of information available to the government has simply expanded which has to be expected with technology as it is today Also, doing this under the banner of national security would be beneficial, assuming that is all it is used for... I'm guessing that comment is with respect to the fact that private companies have also had access (which from what I've read isn't certain.. they simply state the stratfor has provided intelligence to these companies.. it doesn't say tripwire has provided surveillance data to them... if I am wrong please point me to where it says it has been), but as long as it is shared under government contracting and confidential.. isn't that also beneficial under national security? And yes .. I know the difference between public and individual ... my comments on that are simply because I don't think there would be any outrage at all if the individual did not feel threatened and it is not just on principle like people are claiming but that isn't all that relevant ... just my view on people People seem to be making lots of assumptions for the worse and I consider all the worry fairly alarmist | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: The point is that one of the dangers in 1984 is becoming present in our society, and thus it is possible that more things in 1984 could become true in the future. But some dangers aren't true, which means the others could become not true in the future. I call that one the reverse slippery slope. | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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ulan-bat
China403 Posts
- "you're paranoïd, just let them do their thing": just take a history class and you should have another point of view. I'm not really sure but hey. - "i don't do anything wrong": yet. Wait till you're in a minority and whatever it is you like to do falls under some law. - "i'm not interesting": well in the country I live in, one should be ashamed of not opposing any resistance. Sure China is ... China. But that doesn't mean there's no fight to pick in Europe or the US. A living democracy is made of people fighting for something and thus annoying the power a bit. If you think they are only trying to protect you against terrorists, well i may be totally wrong then. | ||
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:59 Keitzer wrote: ... Honestly... I don't see why it really matters. Unless you're running a meth lab out of your kitchen or making bombs in someone's basement, there's no reason for them to do ANYTHING EVER with this information.. It's about preventing things before they get out of hand. And to be honest, unless there's something big they're planning like Mind Control, then fuck it! Who cares! I'd be pissed if I got flashed at one of those red light cameras, then a cop found me at Home Depot a week later because they saw me walk inside on a camera. It just gives the government a lot of power, it's everyone's decision to choose if it's too much power or not. I agree with you though: don't break the rules, and you have to reason to fear the ref. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On August 11 2012 12:04 ElvisWayCool wrote: I'd be pissed if I got flashed at one of those red light cameras, then a cop found me at Home Depot a week later because they saw me walk inside on a camera. It just gives the government a lot of power, it's everyone's decision to choose if it's too much power or not. I agree with you though: don't break the rules, and you have to reason to fear the ref. lol wtf are you talking about, if you get flashed at a redlight they just mail you the ticket if you have license plates. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On August 11 2012 12:05 Silidons wrote: lol wtf are you talking about, if you get flashed at a redlight they just mail you the ticket if you have license plates. he was just explaining an example of how once a rule/law gets broken, they can "abuse" this system to easily track down such people... although yes, a lame example, an example nonetheless. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On August 11 2012 12:04 ElvisWayCool wrote: I'd be pissed if I got flashed at one of those red light cameras, then a cop found me at Home Depot a week later because they saw me walk inside on a camera. It just gives the government a lot of power, it's everyone's decision to choose if it's too much power or not. I agree with you though: don't break the rules, and you have to reason to fear the ref. The red light camera takes a picture of your license plates, which can be used to identify you. They then send your fine to you in the mail. They don't need to actuate a mutli-thousand dollar man hunt and dedicate their computer's precious resources towards tracking you down and dispatching police to come after you because you ran a red light. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:05 SergioCQH wrote: Does reading 1984 make one cool, or just paranoid? Seems most threads on TL nowadays can't go without an obligatory nod to George Orwell's classic, lol. I'm more inclined to believe the whole "SOPA/PIPA" scare than this, really. Yeah, I could see it happening/have happened, but I'm not one to jump and accept conspiracies.... Gonna sit this out and wait for more info. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On August 11 2012 12:06 Chargelot wrote: The red light camera takes a picture of your license plates, which can be used to identify you. They then send your fine to you in the mail. They don't need to actuate a mutli-thousand dollar man hunt and dedicate their computer's precious resources towards tracking you down and dispatching police to come after you because you ran a red light. Unless you've also torrented an mp3, then you're pretty much screwed | ||
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ireverie
Russian Federation19 Posts
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