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Wikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 24

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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 14 2012 06:43 GMT
#461
Feels like that David Baldachi novel, The Sixth Man.
secret - never again
Mallard86
Profile Joined May 2011
186 Posts
August 14 2012 06:57 GMT
#462
On August 11 2012 09:26 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:22 Wegandi wrote:
This is nothing new.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/21/exposed_inside_the_nsas_largest_and

Welcome to the Police/Prison State. If you are fine being a prisoner, being watched 24/7, everything you do, everywhere you go, everything you buy, to be intimidated for being against the State, etc. The USA has become one big plantation. So much for being the land of the free with the responses I've seen in this thread. Serfs....so so many serfs on these boards.

Then we have things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/08/court-blesses-nodemonstration-zone-at-rnc-131102.html

and, the ever militarizing of the 'police' if you can call them that anymore:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Don't you all just feel so much safer? Ready to protect, and serve the shit out of you.



lol what is this. I dont mind the police being properly equipped to handle modern combat considering that criminals can easily get assault rifles today.. what do you expect them to do?

In the 1920's and 1930's the standard gun of choice for police officers was generally a .38 caliber revolver. Most didnt carry any other type of weapon like officers do nowadays. During this time, criminals began to arm themselves with weapons like Thompson sub machine guns and browning automatic rifles. The BAR is a "light" machine gun that fires .30 caliber rifle cartridges and is fed by a 20 round magazine. Bonnie is known to have carried a BAR. It was at this time that the FBI argued and convinced the government that automatic weapons were too much of a problem and needed to be banned.

Ever since then the gap between the level of equipment law enforcement has access to and readily uses and the equipment both criminals and civilians have access to has steadily increased. A modern SWAT team is probably more heavily equipped than a comparably sized WWI unit. Meanwhile the level of equipment a modern criminal typically uses has stayed the same or even decreased.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
August 14 2012 08:03 GMT
#463
I'm not surprised at all, I always thought everyone knew this was happening
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 14 2012 13:41 GMT
#464
I'm skeptical of some of the claims about this system's breadth and capability. These have really hacked into every device on the planet including book store cash registers? Lol sounds like wikileaks wants to hype up their finds. Wouldnt be the first time.
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
August 14 2012 19:01 GMT
#465
On August 14 2012 11:03 Cydearrm wrote:
So, is there any real proof that this is actually happening? I mean, have the leaked emails been authenticated in any way? Can they be authenticated in any way? In over 8k emails, this mysterious (but absolutely MASSIVE) data center's location isn't mentioned, alluded to, or implied in any way? There'd have to be some sort of paper trail, as well, right? That much data would require a mind-boggling amount of storage, and there would have to be a not-insignificant amount of people performing upkeep and maintenance. It just seems to me that the amount of work required to actually "keep track" of what millions of people are doing from day to day would be staggering; there's no way it could stay covert for any amount of time. The chance of a secret actually being kept is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people in on the secret.

As for being recorded, you're already being recorded just about every time you walk into a public place. Banks, stores, restaurants, ATM machines, etc. Unless you're paying for everything with cash, you're also already leaving a very traceable paper trail.

TL;DR: This just doesn't seem plausible to me. :-/

Go read my post right here from page 12. Their website is trapewire.com and they don't deny what they are doing. To quote on their webpage,

TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns of pre-attack surveillance and logistical planning and introduce the basis for a paradigm shift in the methodologies traditionally applied to securing critical infrastructure, key resources and personnel.
It was created by Abraxas, staffed by ex-CIA agents
As for your question about the data center it's right on their website.
Security
The data center housing the TrapWire infrastructure was constructed to the highest level of physical
security standards. Access to the facility is controlled and logged through a system of biometric hand
geometry readers, and the facility is carefully monitored by security officials on guard 24 hours per day, 7
days per week, 365 a year.

System Security is also of critical importance and is designed into all levels of the TrapWire application
and infrastructure. All connections to the TrapWire application are made through a 256-bit encrypted SSL
connection which terminates in a network DMZ. User authentication is performed from the DMZ and must
be successful before a connection to TrapWire is permitted. Implemented security processes are intended
to protect any information in the TrapWire system from loss, misuse, unauthorized access, disclosure,
alteration or destruction.
Source
Instead of people not wanting to believe and saying its just 1984 nutjobs going at it again , maybe you should just spend 20 seconds googling their actual website. They aren't denying any of this.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 15 2012 00:23 GMT
#466
^um, those quotes come nowhere close to confirming the breadth and success of surveillance claimed by wikileaks.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
August 15 2012 01:04 GMT
#467
On August 14 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm skeptical of some of the claims about this system's breadth and capability. These have really hacked into every device on the planet including book store cash registers? Lol sounds like wikileaks wants to hype up their finds. Wouldnt be the first time.

erm where does it say that? a link would be appreciated.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
August 27 2012 16:39 GMT
#468
not surprised in the slightest. i actually suscribe to stratfor.
i like cheese
kimchikim
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria32 Posts
August 27 2012 17:08 GMT
#469
Just read about this here on teamliquid. I am living in Austria and this has not been mentioned either on TV news or in the newspaper (well, I am not the most avid news follower, but something like this should be in the headlines, instead of "this person got killed by this person with this weapon" stuff..)
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
August 27 2012 17:11 GMT
#470
not surprised but it's making me more disappointed in this government's integrity.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 27 2012 17:11 GMT
#471
HAH! And my friends said I was paranoid.

Assange really can screw us over in so many ways if he wants to. This guy probably still has more that he isn't telling us.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
August 27 2012 17:12 GMT
#472
On August 15 2012 04:01 Epithet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:03 Cydearrm wrote:
So, is there any real proof that this is actually happening? I mean, have the leaked emails been authenticated in any way? Can they be authenticated in any way? In over 8k emails, this mysterious (but absolutely MASSIVE) data center's location isn't mentioned, alluded to, or implied in any way? There'd have to be some sort of paper trail, as well, right? That much data would require a mind-boggling amount of storage, and there would have to be a not-insignificant amount of people performing upkeep and maintenance. It just seems to me that the amount of work required to actually "keep track" of what millions of people are doing from day to day would be staggering; there's no way it could stay covert for any amount of time. The chance of a secret actually being kept is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people in on the secret.

As for being recorded, you're already being recorded just about every time you walk into a public place. Banks, stores, restaurants, ATM machines, etc. Unless you're paying for everything with cash, you're also already leaving a very traceable paper trail.

TL;DR: This just doesn't seem plausible to me. :-/

Go read my post right here from page 12. Their website is trapewire.com and they don't deny what they are doing. To quote on their webpage,
Show nested quote +

TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns of pre-attack surveillance and logistical planning and introduce the basis for a paradigm shift in the methodologies traditionally applied to securing critical infrastructure, key resources and personnel.
It was created by Abraxas, staffed by ex-CIA agents
As for your question about the data center it's right on their website.
Show nested quote +
Security
The data center housing the TrapWire infrastructure was constructed to the highest level of physical
security standards. Access to the facility is controlled and logged through a system of biometric hand
geometry readers, and the facility is carefully monitored by security officials on guard 24 hours per day, 7
days per week, 365 a year.

System Security is also of critical importance and is designed into all levels of the TrapWire application
and infrastructure. All connections to the TrapWire application are made through a 256-bit encrypted SSL
connection which terminates in a network DMZ. User authentication is performed from the DMZ and must
be successful before a connection to TrapWire is permitted. Implemented security processes are intended
to protect any information in the TrapWire system from loss, misuse, unauthorized access, disclosure,
alteration or destruction.
Source
Instead of people not wanting to believe and saying its just 1984 nutjobs going at it again , maybe you should just spend 20 seconds googling their actual website. They aren't denying any of this.


The US has developed a new way of hiding secretive material, they put it in plain site and hope all of the people who question it are called "trooferists" for wondering why such a system is required and how it is even legit. Things have definitely changed in the past 11 years since 9/11, people seem not interested in questioning their government even though history has proven that is a recipe for disaster.
FoTG fighting!
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
August 27 2012 17:23 GMT
#473
All the names in this affair sound suspiciously cool.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 27 2012 17:25 GMT
#474
Adding this to my video game idea lol.
Что?
kimchikim
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria32 Posts
August 27 2012 17:27 GMT
#475
On August 28 2012 02:23 Kickboxer wrote:
All the names in this affair sound suspiciously cool.


Had the same thought. Raytheon is my favorite lol.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 29 2012 07:44 GMT
#476
On August 28 2012 02:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
HAH! And my friends said I was paranoid.

Assange really can screw us over in so many ways if he wants to. This guy probably still has more that he isn't telling us.

I'm not sure how Assange can screw anyone who isn't already in a position of power.
Что?
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