EPTTo control a people, scare them. Works every time, unfortunatly.
Wikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 23
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StickyFlower
Sweden68 Posts
To control a people, scare them. Works every time, unfortunatly. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 14 2012 06:35 Brett wrote: For the record, no you couldn't. Think celebs and paparazzi; of course I don't mean that someone could follow you literally everywhere (including inside certain places for example), but when you're out in public spaces, there's really nothing to stop them. Pretty much exactly the same as this system. If you step into the public sphere, you can expect to be observed. Yes I could actually. You see, as I am not a celebrity, such behavior is not considered normal, and would qualify as stalking. Technically speaking, the papparazi following people around everywhere is stalking too, but they get away with it under freedom of the press. These companies aren't publishing their records for everyone too see, so that doesn't work. It's a question of reasonable expectation of privacy in any given situation. Do you have a reasonable expectation not to be photographed and tracked everywhere you go the moment you step out of your front door? | ||
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BanditX
United States78 Posts
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
I mean ofc protecting the citizens is a priority but I really think they are going too far with this (and with a lot of other things too... americans tend to overdo things) | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
http://www.rbs2.com/privacy.htm Still an evolving area of the law, much effected by changes in technology, and defined more by legal precedents than exact principles. Privacy is interpreted more liberally in, for instance, some European countries, while in America it is a more closely constrained right. In the US, you have very little right to privacy in public areas. However, if traffic cameras could, for instance, x ray passing cars right through their tinted windows and facially recognize all the occupants, that would violate the current concept of a reasonable expectation of privacy. Same if they could see into opaque containers you happen to be holding. Very complex area. Further complicated by the fact that people respond differently depending on how and by whom their privacy is breached. Many posters in this thread adopt a blasé Attitude towards "the government" spying on them, but upon discovering that they/their families were being observed continually as they went about their day by some other persons or person, would likely become quite angry. Given such distinctions, it is hard to define what exact principles privacy should be based on. The more large, faceless and closer to authority the entity observing one is, the less likely one is to become angry, and yet when info acquired by government cameras, systems, police officers and with public funding becomes available to the highest bidder, as it has in the case of trapwire, then it becomes quite easy for any person or group with sufficient money to "virtually" spy on you or those close to you. I can guarantee you that not all these groups will have your security and best interests in mind. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 14 2012 07:18 sVnteen wrote: oh usa do you really feel the need to do that? I mean ofc protecting the citizens is a priority but I really think they are going too far with this (and with a lot of other things too... americans tend to overdo things) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=356393 | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 14 2012 07:36 forgottendreams wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=356393 And so the pointing of fingers begin ^^. No wonder all of this shit happens so easily, everyone's to busy pissing on each other to deal with anything of concern. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 14 2012 07:49 NeMeSiS3 wrote: And so the pointing of fingers begin ^^. No wonder all of this shit happens so easily, everyone's to busy pissing on each other to deal with anything of concern. Reading my post as fingerpointing would be the shallow way to read it. Instead I was hoping (probably misguided without any accompanying text) to point out oh "Ohhhhh well this is clearly a Chinese thing, ahhhh well datamining just an American thing, ahhh well you know that whole digital rights is a Japanese thing!" when it's clearly not. As technology progresses things like this on a global scale are inevitable. *edited for niceness.. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:10 forgottendreams wrote: Reading my post as fingerpointing would be the shallow way to read it. Instead maybe people can wakeup things happen on a global scale congruently for reasons, and your petty wishes to stop it are pretty pathetic. Actually I was reading both your posts as finger pointing, don't get so defensive. "and your petty wishes to stop it are pretty pathetic" stop what, finger pointing? You need better things to do with your time than get offended over a 2 line comment. EDIT on your EDIT: Sorry, your edit actually made it even more facetious, should have stopped while behind. You should have said "edited to add a bit more stupidity" but honesty isn't everyone's quality hehehe. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:18 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Actually I was reading both your posts as finger pointing, don't get so defensive. "and your petty wishes to stop it are pretty pathetic" stop what, finger pointing? You need better things to do with your time than get offended over a 2 line comment. EDIT on your EDIT: Sorry, your edit actually made it even more facetious, should have stopped while behind. You should have said "edited to add a bit more stupidity" but honesty isn't everyone's quality hehehe. I wish to respond to your edited critique of my edited critique that your pointing out finger pointing wasn't necessarily the focus of my anger (although it compounded my internet fury to be sure), however this is my fault for slinging vague one liners. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:25 forgottendreams wrote: I wish to respond to your edited critique of my edited critique that your pointing out finger pointing wasn't necessarily the focus of my anger (although it compounded my internet fury to be sure), however this is my fault for slinging vague one liners. Touche' good sir, all is forgiven although I still think you have a rather ignorant view point. Agree to disagree. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:33 KingAce wrote: I really couldn't careless if someone is observing let them observe. It doesn't stop crime from happening. What they do with the information, I don't know nor do I care. I am busying working my ass off to get food in my stomach. That is so sad. :/ | ||
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DJFaqU
466 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:33 KingAce wrote: I really couldn't careless if someone is observing let them observe. It doesn't stop crime from happening. What they do with the information, I don't know nor do I care. I am busying working my ass off to get food in my stomach. You're the dumbest person I've witnessed on this website so far. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 14 2012 10:31 DJFaqU wrote: You're the dumbest person I've witnessed on this website so far. Dumb people gotta eat ^^ | ||
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Cydearrm
United States58 Posts
As for being recorded, you're already being recorded just about every time you walk into a public place. Banks, stores, restaurants, ATM machines, etc. Unless you're paying for everything with cash, you're also already leaving a very traceable paper trail. TL;DR: This just doesn't seem plausible to me. :-/ | ||
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adacan
United States117 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 14 2012 14:02 adacan wrote: wouldnt it be better to protect citizens by providing better healthcare? I mean im muuuuuuuuuuuuuch more likely to die of a heart attack then i am from a terrorist attack. Explosions are more dramatic. When 9/11 happened, my mother panicked and she packed bags full of clothes and food and stuff in case we had to leave in an emergency. We lived in Montreal's suburbs. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
On August 14 2012 10:31 DJFaqU wrote: You're the dumbest person I've witnessed on this website so far. At least this dumb person isn't afraid of something that may or may not exist. I have immediate problems, why would I worry about events in the future I may or may not live to experience. You guys must live very boring lives. 1984 fanatics. | ||
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oldgregg
New Zealand1176 Posts
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