Wikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 24
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ch33psh33p
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Mallard86
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On August 11 2012 09:26 Coagulation wrote: lol what is this. I dont mind the police being properly equipped to handle modern combat considering that criminals can easily get assault rifles today.. what do you expect them to do? In the 1920's and 1930's the standard gun of choice for police officers was generally a .38 caliber revolver. Most didnt carry any other type of weapon like officers do nowadays. During this time, criminals began to arm themselves with weapons like Thompson sub machine guns and browning automatic rifles. The BAR is a "light" machine gun that fires .30 caliber rifle cartridges and is fed by a 20 round magazine. Bonnie is known to have carried a BAR. It was at this time that the FBI argued and convinced the government that automatic weapons were too much of a problem and needed to be banned. Ever since then the gap between the level of equipment law enforcement has access to and readily uses and the equipment both criminals and civilians have access to has steadily increased. A modern SWAT team is probably more heavily equipped than a comparably sized WWI unit. Meanwhile the level of equipment a modern criminal typically uses has stayed the same or even decreased. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Epithet
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On August 14 2012 11:03 Cydearrm wrote: So, is there any real proof that this is actually happening? I mean, have the leaked emails been authenticated in any way? Can they be authenticated in any way? In over 8k emails, this mysterious (but absolutely MASSIVE) data center's location isn't mentioned, alluded to, or implied in any way? There'd have to be some sort of paper trail, as well, right? That much data would require a mind-boggling amount of storage, and there would have to be a not-insignificant amount of people performing upkeep and maintenance. It just seems to me that the amount of work required to actually "keep track" of what millions of people are doing from day to day would be staggering; there's no way it could stay covert for any amount of time. The chance of a secret actually being kept is inversely proportional to the square of the number of people in on the secret. As for being recorded, you're already being recorded just about every time you walk into a public place. Banks, stores, restaurants, ATM machines, etc. Unless you're paying for everything with cash, you're also already leaving a very traceable paper trail. TL;DR: This just doesn't seem plausible to me. :-/ Go read my post right here from page 12. Their website is trapewire.com and they don't deny what they are doing. To quote on their webpage, TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns of pre-attack surveillance and logistical planning and introduce the basis for a paradigm shift in the methodologies traditionally applied to securing critical infrastructure, key resources and personnel. As for your question about the data center it's right on their website. Security SourceThe data center housing the TrapWire infrastructure was constructed to the highest level of physical security standards. Access to the facility is controlled and logged through a system of biometric hand geometry readers, and the facility is carefully monitored by security officials on guard 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 a year. System Security is also of critical importance and is designed into all levels of the TrapWire application and infrastructure. All connections to the TrapWire application are made through a 256-bit encrypted SSL connection which terminates in a network DMZ. User authentication is performed from the DMZ and must be successful before a connection to TrapWire is permitted. Implemented security processes are intended to protect any information in the TrapWire system from loss, misuse, unauthorized access, disclosure, alteration or destruction. Instead of people not wanting to believe and saying its just 1984 nutjobs going at it again , maybe you should just spend 20 seconds googling their actual website. They aren't denying any of this. | ||
Doodsmack
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starfries
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On August 14 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote: I'm skeptical of some of the claims about this system's breadth and capability. These have really hacked into every device on the planet including book store cash registers? Lol sounds like wikileaks wants to hype up their finds. Wouldnt be the first time. erm where does it say that? a link would be appreciated. | ||
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kimchikim
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zhurai
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GhandiEAGLE
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Assange really can screw us over in so many ways if he wants to. This guy probably still has more that he isn't telling us. | ||
NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On August 15 2012 04:01 Epithet wrote: Go read my post right here from page 12. Their website is trapewire.com and they don't deny what they are doing. To quote on their webpage, It was created by Abraxas, staffed by ex-CIA agents As for your question about the data center it's right on their website. Source Instead of people not wanting to believe and saying its just 1984 nutjobs going at it again , maybe you should just spend 20 seconds googling their actual website. They aren't denying any of this. The US has developed a new way of hiding secretive material, they put it in plain site and hope all of the people who question it are called "trooferists" for wondering why such a system is required and how it is even legit. Things have definitely changed in the past 11 years since 9/11, people seem not interested in questioning their government even though history has proven that is a recipe for disaster. | ||
Kickboxer
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Shady Sands
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kimchikim
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On August 28 2012 02:23 Kickboxer wrote: All the names in this affair sound suspiciously cool. Had the same thought. Raytheon is my favorite lol. | ||
Shady Sands
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On August 28 2012 02:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote: HAH! And my friends said I was paranoid. Assange really can screw us over in so many ways if he wants to. This guy probably still has more that he isn't telling us. I'm not sure how Assange can screw anyone who isn't already in a position of power. | ||
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