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Wikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 17
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
Anyone seen different? Maybe a European with good news services in their country? I want to read more on this from a respectable outlet. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:43 Zahir wrote: Only government or mainstream media response thus far: continuing the silent onslaught of DDos attacks attempting to censor the documents. That's all I could find anyway. Anyone seen different? Maybe a European with good news services in their country? I want to read more on this from a respectable outlet. The problem is that most medias will probably want to read the documents and verify their authenticity/validity somehow. I'm pretty sure they generally don't bother... Reporting about this, if it happens not to be true, would be quite bad. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:02 Coagulation wrote: well I cant say im suprised at all.. public surveillance is clearly an inevitable integration of technology in society. I might get a little worried when they start nuking people from orbit with laser satelites but untill then they can watch me all day i dont care. My sentiments exactly. We all expected this to happen in todays world. I don't give a shit if they watch me or not, might even look up wierd shit for that off chance they go looking through my searches lol. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:05 K_Dilkington wrote: Juding from the comments from the Americans in this thread, you deserve everything that is coming for you. Enjoy the inevitable police state that will make sure that you can't even write freely on this forum anymore. Surveillance =/= supression.... The U.S. has always had a long and complicated relationship between surveillance and use of surveillance in the form of prosecution or persecution in the light of politicians and judges counterbalancing them. Because Trapwire has been implemented and something completely unsurprising (and rumored to have been going on for decades) , which is datamining doesn't mean we are one day going to live in some tyrannical dicatorship where we can no longer write freely anymore. I mean really? | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:57 Djzapz wrote: The problem is that most medias will probably want to read the documents and verify their authenticity/validity somehow. I'm pretty sure they generally don't bother... Reporting about this, if it happens not to be true, would be quite bad. yeah but... not even an acknowledgement or preliminary story? I looked online and there is not a single news outlet that prints a major paper or magazine that has touched this. its just all online and indie-level outlets. its spooky man. this has been out for more than a day now, what gives? | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On August 11 2012 23:59 hummingbird23 wrote: I direct you to the latest exhibit below. The whole thread is filled with this crap. Get it? Sure. Such a technology could be used for 'evil'. Your hat could use a couple more layers of tin foil, by the way. Also, to save you time in makin your would-be reply -- no need, I know, I get it, I am a mindless idiot fat American. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:12 Zahir wrote: yeah but... not even an acknowledgement or preliminary story? I looked online and there is not a single news outlet that prints a major paper or magazine that has touched this. its just all online and indie-level outlets. its spooky man. this has been out for more than a day now, what gives? I think that when you're dealing with stories as sensitive as this, you really want to get it right before you alarm the population of the entire world that something really bad may be happening. Even if the big media started releasing articles packed to the brim with words like "unverified", "preliminary", "maybe", etc., you just know that some people would go full out conspiracy theory on our asses. Something doesn't need to be confirmed for people to just assume it's true anyway. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:17 Slaughter wrote: Only thing I saw was something Cspan talking about how wiki leaks was collaborating with lulzsec for some hacking thing of Icelandic organizations. The hell? Lulzsec only ever existed for one job and then it broke up (or rather was posed as). | ||
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Gnarg
Netherlands165 Posts
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M4nkind
Lithuania178 Posts
On August 11 2012 21:17 Warri wrote: How many years have you gone to school? Can you honestly tell me that not a single time have you faked being ill and went somewhere else with your friends? Ooops they caught that on camera, sucks to be you. Have you ever went to a swimming pool/golf course at night and jumped over the fence? Thats on camera! Have you ever disobeyed a stop sign on a very open intersection because you saw that there is noone coming? Thats on camera (theyve probably got your license plate or can see your face through the windshield anyway). Have you ever let your dog shit on a street and had no bag to clean it up so you ignored it and went on? Thats on camera too. Youve got nothing to hide? Youre so dead wrong. You talk as if anyone would anytime be interested in your unimportant life? Same as me or others, no one cares about "nobodies". System lets you get the real criminals. Of course I don't want to make you feel uncool - you are bad ass doing crime 24/7 by driving over the speed limit and using alcohol in public places. Well if the following joke would be true (but it will never be) we could be in trouble: "When Chuck Norris became head of CIA, on first place of most dangerous criminal list was boy from Thailand who illegally downloaded movie 'Dodgeball' " | ||
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Domus
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It operates outside of all boundries of the rule of law. Normally you would need to get permission to tap persons, and you would need a damn good reason (strong signs of criminal activity). But these shadow organizations are doing it without any permission, and more importantly without any control/supervision by the rule of law. What is also disturbing is that private organizations are involved, and citizens have no control over how these companies handle this data. A government or corporation simply does not have the right, nor did anyone give them the right to invade the privacy of citizens to this extend. Did anybody vote for this, was there a referendum, was the decision made in a public debate? Did citizens or representatives get a chance to speak out on the subject? Western governments these days (not just the US) are on a slippery slope where we no longer live in a democracy, but instead live in some weird form of despotism. I am not just trying to point the finger at the US, the same thing is happening in Europe where the EU is claiming more power, and there is no clear way for citizens to control or influence this political machine. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:20 EtherealDeath wrote: The hell? Lulzsec only ever existed for one job and then it broke up (or rather was posed as). Dunno that's what was on. Some woman was talking about her book on Anon and lulzsec and while I was watching she was talking about lulzsec being recruited for this one job by wiki leaks ( apparentlywaa too complex for them). | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:27 Gnarg wrote: The real problem with this if its true would be the secrecy. In a democracy big decisions about privacy and security should be made in public space, otherwise its not much of a democracy at all. Agreed. Big difference between law enforcement and the judiciary running a surveillance network, open to media and public debate/scrutiny, with laws in place to protect the populace... And the intel agencies running it, selling shit to corporations, and doing god knows what else. "they won't care about me" yeah ok, go look up the red scare and mk ultra. CIA and FBI are well known for their propensity for fucking around with completely random individuals just to learn things, and blackmailing/intimidating large swaths of the population. I dislike how people completely ignore the past and assume that for some reason, this time the government contractors and spooks won't use their shiny new toy on completely innocent folk or random leftists. | ||
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M4nkind
Lithuania178 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:46 Zahir wrote: Agreed. Big difference between law enforcement and the judiciary running a surveillance network, open to media and public debate/scrutiny, with laws in place to protect the populace... And the intel agencies running it, selling shit to corporations, and doing god knows what else. "they won't care about me" yeah ok, go look up the red scare and mk ultra. CIA and FBI are well known for their propensity for fucking around with completely random individuals just to learn things, and blackmailing/intimidating large swaths of the population. I dislike how people completely ignore the past and assume that for some reason, this time the government contractors and spooks won't use their shiny new toy on completely innocent folk or random leftists. Democracy and freedom is a lie. No one would be stupid enough to let masses of people rule. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:01 M4nkind wrote: Democracy and freedom is a lie. No one would be stupid enough to let masses of people rule. That's why the masses don't rule, they elect people to rule for them. | ||
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M4nkind
Lithuania178 Posts
On August 12 2012 10:12 Djzapz wrote: That's why the masses don't rule, they elect people to rule for them. Right, and we have huge variety of uncontrolled people to elect. You truthfully think that elections of parties or presidents change anything? No "secret powers behind governments" want for people to have free will and do what they want. Thats why I love authoritarian regimes or communism, because they don't lie about freedom and show you true persons on the wheel of governing, where democracy has governments disguising in disguises and lies. | ||
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