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On August 11 2012 23:16 Niflheim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:42 hummingbird23 wrote:
Looking at the nation tags of the posters in this thread, I am utterly flabbergasted that US citizens especially seem completely oblivious to the implications of this, some even going as far as to say that they don't care if they're watched. The uses of such a database are vast. Blackmail is only the very tip of the iceberg. It's not as simple as "if I do as everyone else does, I'm safe and this database cannot hurt me". I cannot comprehend the disconnect between knowing that US legislators are corporate yes-men, and not caring that such a project is being undertaken.
Picking my metaphorical jaw off the floor, I guess McDonalds and American Idol are the 21st century equivalent of bread and circuses. Enjoy your incipent idiocracy, just don't ask how things got to that state. <facepalm> I'd hardly say most people are oblivious to the implications... I doubt anyone here would disagree that this system could be abused and end badly I find it just as sad that so many people are fear mongering acting as if the only way a system like this ends is in a police state in which we are all utterly controlled Oh well .. it is pointless arguing it anymore.. everyone has their own idea of this system and that won't change... if you really dislike it then get out there and do something instead of sitting back complaining and insulting those who don't share your viewpoint Personally, I will wait and see how this develops because I see no problem with this system being used properly
I direct you to the latest exhibit below. The whole thread is filled with this crap. Get it?
On August 11 2012 23:42 PassionsC wrote:
holy shit so many paranoid people in here.......
Surveillance will affect..... -.000000000000000009% of you.
what do you think is gonna happen? the police are gonna knock down your door cuz you're gay or lesbian or because you got some fucking old books and paintings hidden in a secret room. or that your smoking mary jane and have a crush on mary sue and the goverment knows. or that your looking at free porn and jerking off.
only people that should be scared are those actually doing evil horrible shit.fuck up
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On August 11 2012 23:57 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:51 reincremate wrote:On August 11 2012 23:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 11 2012 23:16 reincremate wrote:On August 11 2012 23:13 kongoline wrote:On August 11 2012 22:06 jeremycafe wrote:
How is this "Holy shit big news"??? If you want to live under a rock and complete silence, stay out of public. This is nothing new or surprising. /yawn watch V for Vendetta if you dont want to read 1984 No thanks, history lessons were boring enough in high school. I don't care about stuff that happened in 1984. Well, I guess you pretty much sum up the stereotype of every lazy ignorant idiot who voices their opinion but does zero (note by zero, I mean fuck all) of research into any possibilities that might come from this nor do you care that situations similar have happened in fascist governments. It's one thing to disagree (and some have pointed out that this is a great tool to stop crime etc and have great scientific application) but to disagree because you're ignorant (and frankly from your comment, an idiot) to your surroundings should just not happen. I lol'ed. Dude, I've read 1984 and V for Vendetta (the movie was just silly). As great as literature is, it's not sufficient for gaining even a superficial understanding of why things are the way they are. "No thanks, history lessons were boring enough in high school. I don't care about stuff that happened in 1984." You made the clear assertion you never watched it, and then you went on to state how you just simply don't care. This is the last post I'll respond to you with, frankly it's depressing. I never once stated either V or 1984 are sufficient for gaining anything, I simply stated that disagreeing because you prefer to be ignorant because things "bore you" is not "sufficient" so how about you sit this one out champ. also, "I lol'ed. ", -.- you can do better than that.
Dude, this isn't the first time I've noticed you personally go into a bitter or ad hominem strewn tirade after a person posted something you either didn't understand at all or didn't realize was simply a joke / sarcasm.
I suggest you read things more carefully at first and improve your posting.
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When people talk about history lessons being boring, you know you probably don't have much knowledge to gain out of them. Even with boring teachers, there's nothing boring about our specie's past.
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On August 12 2012 00:09 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:57 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 11 2012 23:51 reincremate wrote:On August 11 2012 23:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 11 2012 23:16 reincremate wrote:On August 11 2012 23:13 kongoline wrote:On August 11 2012 22:06 jeremycafe wrote:
How is this "Holy shit big news"??? If you want to live under a rock and complete silence, stay out of public. This is nothing new or surprising. /yawn watch V for Vendetta if you dont want to read 1984 No thanks, history lessons were boring enough in high school. I don't care about stuff that happened in 1984. Well, I guess you pretty much sum up the stereotype of every lazy ignorant idiot who voices their opinion but does zero (note by zero, I mean fuck all) of research into any possibilities that might come from this nor do you care that situations similar have happened in fascist governments. It's one thing to disagree (and some have pointed out that this is a great tool to stop crime etc and have great scientific application) but to disagree because you're ignorant (and frankly from your comment, an idiot) to your surroundings should just not happen. I lol'ed. Dude, I've read 1984 and V for Vendetta (the movie was just silly). As great as literature is, it's not sufficient for gaining even a superficial understanding of why things are the way they are. "No thanks, history lessons were boring enough in high school. I don't care about stuff that happened in 1984." You made the clear assertion you never watched it, and then you went on to state how you just simply don't care. This is the last post I'll respond to you with, frankly it's depressing. I never once stated either V or 1984 are sufficient for gaining anything, I simply stated that disagreeing because you prefer to be ignorant because things "bore you" is not "sufficient" so how about you sit this one out champ. also, "I lol'ed. ", -.- you can do better than that. Dude, this isn't the first time I've noticed you personally go into a bitter or ad hominem strewn tirade after a person posted something you either didn't understand at all or didn't realize was simply a joke / sarcasm. I suggest you read things more carefully first and improve your posting.
"attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it" Sorry what claim was he making? That history was boring? If you're going to assert I am something, please do it correctly.
I agree that disagreeing is totally fine, and I even presented that in my first comment (you can read if you'd like) when it's backed with something, but just saying the sky is falling doesn't make it so and if someone thinks to say stupid things its bound time we smack them down for it.
"stated that disagreeing because you prefer to be ignorant because things "bore you" is not "sufficient""
That was the underlying tone, I apologize if my frustration allowed it to get the better of me but frankly that is exactly how I feel, and when we discuss things it should simply not be allowed to voice an opinion without something to back it up, some type of knowledge... Evidence should be at the forefront of every argument, and if someone wishes to argue that because some people don't want to be on a global GPS tracker (obviously reaching, but that is the same thing) they should live under a rock, then that is just unacceptable for any discussion.
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I said "or" as in relation to other shitty posts you've made.
Why are you still going on about how history bores him? IT WAS A JOKE.
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On August 12 2012 00:18 DannyJ wrote:
I said "or" as in relation to other shitty posts you've made.
Why are you still going on about how history bores him? IT WAS A JOKE.
Nevermind, we've drawn this offtopic long enough and it isn't going anywhere. Obviously jokes come through differently when in text than in person, I obviously didn't quite get it was a joke nor from how he presented his entire response do I even think it was a joke.
Let's move on.
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I can understand why Nemesis would get angry at this guy who doesn't care about history and thinks that constitutes an argument. The reason why the US is getting so authoritarian in the first place is that people don't care enough about their rights to keep them.
Plenty of people in this thread think this is "old news" because we've had suspicions of such things happening. Now we have a reasonably reliable source giving us some info that we should look into because if it's true, the government is truly behaving in very reprehensible ways. Americans have already agreed to get their genitals fondled by strangers when they go to the airport, Americans are going to let their country spy on them and give away the data to private companies - so who's to say the inaction won't cause an actual slippery slope?
Americans have slowly been giving away their freedoms in the name of security, sometimes without noticing it. And many of us know what Ben Franklin had to say about that.
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On August 11 2012 09:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 09:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2012 09:03 SergioCQH wrote:
Uh, if true, so what? How is this big news? Never read 1984 I assume? 1984 was a lot more than watching people.
Yes, but I love Big Brother.
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Grab your guns boys, it's riot-time.
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On August 12 2012 00:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Grab your guns boys, it's riot-time.
Careful what you say on a publicly accessible Internet message board, boss.
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To TOR and the underground tunnels we go!
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On August 12 2012 00:41 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 00:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Grab your guns boys, it's riot-time. Careful what you say on a publicly accessible Internet message board, boss.
He's from Belgium, he's good ^^
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You say global why would America give a shit about what I do?
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On August 12 2012 01:02 Denzil wrote:
You say global why would America give a shit about what I do?
We're jealous of your tea and crumpets. We want to know which store you're buying from, but we're too shy to just ask.
On August 12 2012 00:46 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 00:41 reincremate wrote:On August 12 2012 00:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Grab your guns boys, it's riot-time. Careful what you say on a publicly accessible Internet message board, boss. He's from Belgium, he's good ^^
Since when has the United States cared about borders that we don't own?
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If these nsa cameras are installed only near high value targets, i wouldn't make such a great deal out of it. They have security cameras anyway. What the hell, half my town is covered by some (private) security camera here and there.
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On August 12 2012 00:44 shabby wrote:
To TOR and the underground tunnels we go!
Good luck with that Fred Burton wrote:
I don't buy the 90%. Lean more towards 60-70%. I've seen outstanding
HUMINT coverages which run 180 degrees from OS, combined with SIGINT.
The other aspect is the Dark Web data mining streams now combined
w/surveillance logs AND technology like TrapWire. Neither of which very
few people see.
The high public figures are disinformation to protect sources and
methods (foreign liaison channels.)
The volumnes of granular data for example on Iran or Mexico today
out-pace the OS.
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Not really surprised. Don't really care though. They can watch me all they want, I'm a pretty boring person...
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On August 11 2012 09:47 acker wrote:
Most Americans will probably not care.
That's what disturbs me the most.
Me too...
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On August 12 2012 07:09 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:42 PassionsC wrote:
holy shit so many paranoid people in here.......
Surveillance will affect..... -.000000000000000009% of you.
what do you think is gonna happen? the police are gonna knock down your door cuz you're gay or lesbian or because you got some fucking old books and paintings hidden in a secret room. or that your smoking mary jane and have a crush on mary sue and the goverment knows. or that your looking at free porn and jerking off.
only people that should be scared are those actually doing evil horrible shit.fuck up
How does it not affect me? It's a gross invasion of privacy and what you think could happen will happen. Look at the fucking history in before WW2 in Italy and Germany. In name of [nationalism/antiterrorism] little by little people's rights were taken away until Jews, gays, and other "undesirables" started getting fucked.
You best stop it right there, questioning the government... You're bound to get flamed as a troofer or a conspiracy theorist ^^ because people in power have never done terrible things when harnessing it, you should know this!
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