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On July 27 2012 12:19 Arghmyliver wrote:
Lol - yes and the planet is entirely responsible for the species "Homo Sapiens" and oddly enough, all species for that matter. Damnit planet! You murdered the Jews you bastard! Also your goddamn squirrels keep getting in my fucking bird feeder.
I'm not sure how you developed this line of thinking. There is no blame here. Was just stating that these fluctuations in temperature are a result of the planet changing and not entirely our actions. Like the graph above shows we've only been around for a few thousand years and cannot possibly measure the long term cycles of the planets climate change.
On July 27 2012 12:44 kdgns wrote:
You should be careful about the distinction between weather and climate, weather is short term, and changing quickly, it can be sunny today and raining tomorrow, etc. The issue here is climate, which is long term trends. While the human contribution may seem little to you, its important to note that carbon dioxide has an extremely long lifetime in the atmosphere, so while daily emissions may be small, over time they add up and starts becoming a significant amount of change to the composition of the atmosphere. While you may not influence the weather today or tomorrow, right now we are deciding the policies that will shape the environment in the decades to come.
Thanks. I'll try to be more specific with terms. I get caught up trying to describe the general meaning of my idea/message and forget about the words lol.
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On July 27 2012 11:50 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 11:15 dbald27 wrote:On July 27 2012 11:03 dvorakftw wrote:On July 27 2012 10:25 dbald27 wrote:
I think this thread proves the biggest flaw in democracy. Ignorant people (all of us) thinking they know something about subjects so complicated that they could only understand if they had dedicated their life to studying it. I don't think a single person who posted in this thread saying either it shows global warming is definite, or unrelated has anywhere near the credentials to speak with such confidence. Decisions on such issues should be left to those who actually know about them, especially when its such a complicated and difficult issue.
tldr: idiots telling idiots that they're idiots People like you are why millions get murdered in places like Russia and China. edit: why, not while I'm definitely not advocating dictatorship. I'm just pointing out something which people have known about democracy for a long time, that it gives people a voice on issues which they are not qualified to make decisions on. In fact democracy of the not-well-informed keeps us safe and ends up with better results than the experts who would control us.
Yeah, they said I couldn't dig a hole in my front yard because it violated zoning regulations or some shit. So I just said "Take your oppressive technocratic ideals and do something with them other than impose them on me, mr scientist." World would be a much better place if we didn't have experts running shit.
We can't let power-hungry environmentalist organizations like the IPCC brainwash the public about anthropogenic influence on the climate and melting glaciers, lest they start banning all forms of greenhouse gas emissions, which include breathing (which according to "science" involves the production of CO2).
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tonight at eleven : DOOM
it must be the global warming. No chance it could be anything else.
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On July 27 2012 13:29 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 12:55 Stoli wrote:On July 27 2012 09:59 dvorakftw wrote:
blogspot.com/2011 are you fucking serious right now? See. There's this really neat invention called the internet. And on the internet there is a really neat invention called Google. And you can use Google to search the internet. And typically it finds posts about things rather than the actual things themselves. But you can then found out about what they are talking about. It's really fun. you should try it.
You know anyone can put anything on the internet, right?
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On July 27 2012 11:50 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 11:15 dbald27 wrote:On July 27 2012 11:03 dvorakftw wrote:On July 27 2012 10:25 dbald27 wrote:
I think this thread proves the biggest flaw in democracy. Ignorant people (all of us) thinking they know something about subjects so complicated that they could only understand if they had dedicated their life to studying it. I don't think a single person who posted in this thread saying either it shows global warming is definite, or unrelated has anywhere near the credentials to speak with such confidence. Decisions on such issues should be left to those who actually know about them, especially when its such a complicated and difficult issue.
tldr: idiots telling idiots that they're idiots People like you are why millions get murdered in places like Russia and China. edit: why, not while I'm definitely not advocating dictatorship. I'm just pointing out something which people have known about democracy for a long time, that it gives people a voice on issues which they are not qualified to make decisions on. In fact democracy of the not-well-informed keeps us safe and ends up with better results than the experts who would control us.
Ironically, the initial theory of the "wisdom of crowds" was almost entirely based on one expert (Galton's) opinion from one experiment that was found to be falsified. From what I understand, later research has found that while aggregate average opinion can be more accurate than individual or low numbers of expert opinions in some very specific cases, aggregate expert opinion is usually far better than the aggregate average.
Of course, Galton's example is completely irrelevant even if it wasn't fake because it was about predicting the weight of a pig and many of the people at the fair that participated were actually farmers who had experience predicting the weight of their own pigs.
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![[image loading]](http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2000/08/Figure1-350x417.png)
Following the new record low recorded on August 26, Arctic sea ice extent continued to drop and is now below 4.00 million square kilometers (1.54 million square miles). Compared to September conditions in the 1980s and 1990s, this represents a 45% reduction in the area of the Arctic covered by sea ice. At least one more week likely remains in the melt season.
Throughout the month of August, Arctic sea ice extent tracked below levels observed in 2007, leading to a new record low for the month of 4.72 million square kilometers (1.82 million square miles), as assessed over the period of satellite observations,1979 to present. Extent was unusually low for all sectors of the Arctic, except the East Greenland Sea where the ice edge remained near its normal position. On August 26, the 5-day running average for ice extent dropped below the previous record low daily extent, observed on September 18, 2007, of 4.17 million square kilometers (1.61 million square miles). By the end of the month, daily extent had dropped below 4.00 million square kilometers (1.54 million square miles). Typically, the melt season ends around the second week in September.
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People have to understand that the layer of ice was very very thin there, hence its very easy for it to melt this fast.
Nothing unusual,only the fact that Greenland hit record temperatures for a few weeks.
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There you go. All the fucking ice melted and the world did not end, as far as I can see. What was all the hype about global warming??
I was under the impression that if, god forbid, some glaciers melted the sea level would rise and everything would get fucked up and in turn the greenhouse effect would incease exponentially and we would all die horribly painful deaths while watching civilization collapse.
Everything seems fine to me. Its a bit colder than yesterday, oh no the 100.000 year ice age is coming!!! Or maybe its just the normal 8 month Finnish winter, I guess we'll see in time.
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On July 25 2012 09:30 Nevermind86 wrote:
Well some people "politically" arguee climate change, I wonder how are they going to explain this. Sad that such a huge problem is not being adressed correctly it already may be too late.
I don't think anyone "politically" argues climate change. What people argue over, often due to a political agenda, is whether or not climate change (which is accepted as happening throughout) is caused by Man or not.
And to be perfectly honest, I've never heard of, nor seen, any conclusive evidence suggesting it is one way or another. Global Warming is happening. What's causing it is unknown, but theories are used to support various political agendas, which also encourages a lot of bad science, falsified data, or misleading statistics.
For me, personally. I'm not all too worried about it, because "I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children. Because I don't think children should be having sex." - The Great Jack Handey
On September 07 2012 14:48 PittlerGG wrote:
There you go. All the fucking ice melted and the world did not end, as far as I can see. What was all the hype about global warming??
I was under the impression that if, god forbid, some glaciers melted the sea level would rise and everything would get fucked up and in turn the greenhouse effect would incease exponentially and we would all die horribly painful deaths while watching civilization collapse.
Everything seems fine to me. Its a bit colder than yesterday, oh no the 100.000 year ice age is coming!!! Or maybe its just the normal 8 month Finnish winter, I guess we'll see in time.
No, lol. I'm pretty sure Sea Level would just raise by a couple hundred feet, devastating coastlines. Manhattan, Denmark, Bangladesh, New Orleans, etc would all be gone. It takes the polar ice caps, not just the Greenland ice sheet, which they said in the article is re-freezing.
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On September 07 2012 14:48 PittlerGG wrote:
There you go. All the fucking ice melted and the world did not end, as far as I can see. What was all the hype about global warming??
I was under the impression that if, god forbid, some glaciers melted the sea level would rise and everything would get fucked up and in turn the greenhouse effect would incease exponentially and we would all die horribly painful deaths while watching civilization collapse.
Everything seems fine to me. Its a bit colder than yesterday, oh no the 100.000 year ice age is coming!!! Or maybe its just the normal 8 month Finnish winter, I guess we'll see in time.
You seem like a really smart guy 
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Hm...Our days are numbered,it's only a matter of time...then -->>It's every man for himself!
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On September 07 2012 14:48 PittlerGG wrote:
There you go. All the fucking ice melted and the world did not end, as far as I can see. What was all the hype about global warming??
I was under the impression that if, god forbid, some glaciers melted the sea level would rise and everything would get fucked up and in turn the greenhouse effect would incease exponentially and we would all die horribly painful deaths while watching civilization collapse.
Everything seems fine to me. Its a bit colder than yesterday, oh no the 100.000 year ice age is coming!!! Or maybe its just the normal 8 month Finnish winter, I guess we'll see in time.
By all means, just post here without reading anything other than the provocative title. However, do realize that the more quality posts will be made by those who actually have any idea what they are talking about.
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It's hard to care about ice until you are drowning in its water.
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On September 07 2012 14:52 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Hm...Our days are numbered,it's only a matter of time...then -->>It's every man for himself!
They were numbered from the getgo.
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On July 27 2012 14:16 Khul Sadukar wrote:
I'm not sure how you developed this line of thinking. There is no blame here. Was just stating that these fluctuations in temperature are a result of the planet changing and not entirely our actions. Like the graph above shows we've only been around for a few thousand years and cannot possibly measure the long term cycles of the planets climate change.
Hmm - a few thousand years you say? :D
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On July 25 2012 09:54 Candadar wrote:
You guys have it all wrong.
It's just a natural event. I mean it's still snowing in some parts of the world! Global Warming can't explain that!
I mean, come on. What if we make the world a cleaner and more sustainable place to live in for no reason?!
You're being overdramatic. Everyone just open your windows and turn your AC on tomorrow at 2 PM. Problem solved!
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We humans have a rather large ego to think that we can change something as big as the earth's climate by driving a few cars around in select areas of the planet. Anyways, no worries. Our friend the Dutchman has an ark standing by. Just a quick jump over the sea and I'm there!
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I have a new theory on global warming, that disproves the greenhouse effect.
Its called the Metallica t-shirt effect.
It is know that a Metallica t-shirt effect causes a increase of temperature upon the wearer, unlike a white tenis t-shirt.
It is also know that temperatures inside a very big city are biggers than in surounding country side.
If there is a global warming proved by statistics and measurements than it is more likely to be caused by the exponential increase of asphalt surface in the last 50 years.
I have spoken.
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On September 07 2012 20:47 tertos wrote:
I have a new theory on global warming, that disproves the greenhouse effect.
Its called the Metallica t-shirt effect.
It is know that a Metallica t-shirt effect causes a increase of temperature upon the wearer, unlike a white tenis t-shirt.
It is also know that temperatures inside a very big city are biggers than in surounding country side.
If there is a global warming proved by statistics and measurements than it is more likely to be caused by the exponential increase of asphalt surface in the last 50 years.
I have spoken.
That was almost funny.
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