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freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
September 07 2012 12:10 GMT
#261
On July 25 2012 09:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
Time for someone to start building that Ark




you do know that its Ice thats floating on water right?
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nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
September 07 2012 12:14 GMT
#262
On September 07 2012 21:03 Inori wrote:
In my country (eastern Europe, up north compared to most), each winter is colder than previous, breaking records of 100s years. We basically don't have a summer anymore, only 6 months of winter with 3 months of winter-ish autumn inbetween and maybe 10-15 days of +20-25 C.

What's this global warming you're speaking of?


That's why it's called global warming - some regions will experience average cooler temperatures for a bit but overall the average global temperature rises.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 12:16:49
September 07 2012 12:15 GMT
#263
Hmm i'd like to add something else into the equasion;

England (and the UK i guess) have noticed over the last 2 years that our seasons are fucked up. Majorly. For example, our summer does not seem to happen at all and we have a good "rain" season for 1-2 months, much longer than it should be (april for a few weeks). It has got to the point now where our seasons seem to go like;

Late December-Late March = Winter
April - June = Spring
Late July(if we are lucky) - Oct = Summer
Oct - Dec = Autumn

It basically is like that with i guess alot of overlapping. Alot of rainning spring moments after the winter which normally ends at the end of March then a stupidly late summer. Last year i remember my mums birthday on October 28th out in the garden having a BBQ...END OF OCTOBER!!! My dads used to be the BBQ birthday August 9th and it has rained the last 2 years throughout the month.

Could it just be that the climate is changing due to the Polar Ice Caps are shifting around again.

If you have a spare 5minutes and you are interested in this topic give this a read;
Polar Shift Theories

I first learnt about the Polar Shift Theroies when listening to a Stephen Hawking documentary on the subject, it was very good and interesting :D
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 07 2012 12:31 GMT
#264
It's annoying when people harp on and say, "What global warming? It was like super duper cold in the summer". It's climate change that is the effect. Warmer in some places, colder in others. More frequent disasters caused by disturbed weather patterns.

But along will come an intelligent person and say, "Don't believe it, it's been raining all week and it's summer."

What.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 12:35:39
September 07 2012 12:34 GMT
#265
Edit: Okay nevermind...apparently this IS a recurrence of the earlier melt that happened to greenland a month ago. Weird
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 07 2012 12:51 GMT
#266
looking at that picture: it is almost possible to walk on foot from Russia to Canada
Nottoo
Profile Joined August 2011
38 Posts
September 07 2012 12:54 GMT
#267
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
September 07 2012 13:10 GMT
#268
If they didn't predict this, the models and/or the data must be very flawed. Thus, climate science and meteorology are still in its infant stages and their agents shouldn't be able to portray their opinions as absolute science.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 07 2012 13:38 GMT
#269
Is there info on how global sea level has risen? If there is put it into OP please.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 13:39:22
September 07 2012 13:38 GMT
#270
On September 07 2012 21:10 freerolll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 09:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
Time for someone to start building that Ark




you do know that its Ice thats floating on water right?

You do know that 1/3 of the ice cap is emerged, and therefore the water level rises when the ice melt right?

On September 07 2012 21:15 Pandemona wrote:
Hmm i'd like to add something else into the equasion;

England (and the UK i guess) have noticed over the last 2 years that our seasons are fucked up. Majorly. For example, our summer does not seem to happen at all and we have a good "rain" season for 1-2 months, much longer than it should be (april for a few weeks). It has got to the point now where our seasons seem to go like;

Late December-Late March = Winter
April - June = Spring
Late July(if we are lucky) - Oct = Summer
Oct - Dec = Autumn

It basically is like that with i guess alot of overlapping. Alot of rainning spring moments after the winter which normally ends at the end of March then a stupidly late summer. Last year i remember my mums birthday on October 28th out in the garden having a BBQ...END OF OCTOBER!!! My dads used to be the BBQ birthday August 9th and it has rained the last 2 years throughout the month.

Could it just be that the climate is changing due to the Polar Ice Caps are shifting around again.

Two years of data is at best anecdotal evidence...
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 13:42:45
September 07 2012 13:41 GMT
#271
On September 07 2012 21:54 Nottoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.

how do you know he's uneducated? Because his point of view is different from the majority? Learn to respect other peoples opinions
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
September 07 2012 13:43 GMT
#272
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


You just said, "global warming doesn't exist" and "the earth gets warmer"

If the globe, aka earth, gets warmer then global warming exists. I think you might mean changes in climates occur regardless of human interaction. Which is true. Whether we accelerated it is up for debate.

I wonder what information they have on the Antarctic, would hope there isn't a similar occurrence there in a couple years.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
September 07 2012 13:45 GMT
#273
On September 07 2012 22:41 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:54 Nottoo wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.

how do you know he's uneducated? Because his point of view is different from the majority? Learn to respect other peoples opinions

There is a large difference between respecting people's opinion and dismissing an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information.

Let's say this was a debate on wheter gay people should be allowed to adopt children. Both parties are discussing, and someone shows up and says "LOL FAG SHOULD GO TO HELL". Is it an opinion, or an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information?
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
September 07 2012 13:55 GMT
#274
On September 07 2012 22:38 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:10 freerolll wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
Time for someone to start building that Ark




you do know that its Ice thats floating on water right?

You do know that 1/3 of the ice cap is emerged, and therefore the water level rises when the ice melt right?

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:15 Pandemona wrote:
Hmm i'd like to add something else into the equasion;

England (and the UK i guess) have noticed over the last 2 years that our seasons are fucked up. Majorly. For example, our summer does not seem to happen at all and we have a good "rain" season for 1-2 months, much longer than it should be (april for a few weeks). It has got to the point now where our seasons seem to go like;

Late December-Late March = Winter
April - June = Spring
Late July(if we are lucky) - Oct = Summer
Oct - Dec = Autumn

It basically is like that with i guess alot of overlapping. Alot of rainning spring moments after the winter which normally ends at the end of March then a stupidly late summer. Last year i remember my mums birthday on October 28th out in the garden having a BBQ...END OF OCTOBER!!! My dads used to be the BBQ birthday August 9th and it has rained the last 2 years throughout the month.

Could it just be that the climate is changing due to the Polar Ice Caps are shifting around again.

Two years of data is at best anecdotal evidence...


No i was just adding that it's not just Greenland that is suddenly changing temperature and most of my argument is just about the polar ice caps shifting about.

This is a quote from the article i linked you obviously didn't read or look at to back up my statement i wrote;


Some supportive historical facts were given by Hapgood to support these shifts in continental position and climate:

The presence of ice caps in North America and Northern Europe, highly eccentric compared to the present north pole.

The contemporaneous absence of ice caps from Siberia, which was actually populated to its northernmost regions by an impressive zoological community.

The Arctic Sea was warmer than it is today, and there were human beings living in the New Siberia Islands.

Antarctica was partially free of ice.

The general climatic situation of the Earth was coherent with a different position of the poles


Are all facts to help support that the climate has changed over the course of history from what we see today to what we have seen in the past, its just a huge circle due to shifting of the earth's axis and the changing of the Polar Ice Caps
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44251 Posts
September 07 2012 13:56 GMT
#275
On September 07 2012 22:41 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:54 Nottoo wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.

how do you know he's uneducated? Because his point of view is different from the majority? Learn to respect other peoples opinions


1. He said that there's no such thing as global warming and then admitted that there are cycles of global warming and cooling (even if he may not know how they're caused).

2. Also, these quotes:

"The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming ... No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change)

And then read through all the opinions ^^
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 07 2012 14:07 GMT
#276
On September 07 2012 22:45 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 22:41 Cheerio wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:54 Nottoo wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.

how do you know he's uneducated? Because his point of view is different from the majority? Learn to respect other peoples opinions

There is a large difference between respecting people's opinion and dismissing an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information.

Let's say this was a debate on wheter gay people should be allowed to adopt children. Both parties are discussing, and someone shows up and says "LOL FAG SHOULD GO TO HELL". Is it an opinion, or an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information?

he didnt insult anyone, but you did.
Tanukki
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland579 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 14:18:32
September 07 2012 14:17 GMT
#277
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but though the melting of ice is a very graphic and easily recognised event, it's not proportional to the rise in sea levels, which is the phenomenon we should worried about.

A simplified example:
Water is most dense at 4 degrees celcius, so if you took a bunch of floating ice, and melted that ice to 4 degrees celcius, the sea level would actually drop.

Of course, the result of heavy global warming is still a net rise in sea levels (an increase in the ratio of warmer water to 4 degree water), but this is still a thing to consider.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 14:19:17
September 07 2012 14:18 GMT
#278
On September 07 2012 22:45 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 22:41 Cheerio wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:54 Nottoo wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.


I'm sure we'll be fine if we all put our trust into uneducated laypeople like yourself and not the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Oh wait.

how do you know he's uneducated? Because his point of view is different from the majority? Learn to respect other peoples opinions

There is a large difference between respecting people's opinion and dismissing an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information.

Let's say this was a debate on wheter gay people should be allowed to adopt children. Both parties are discussing, and someone shows up and says "LOL FAG SHOULD GO TO HELL". Is it an opinion, or an uneducated and irrelevant piece of information?

If anything your comment resembles the "LOL FAG SHOULD GO TO HELL" more so than his. His "irrelevant" piece of information is much better than your condescending attitude. Refute him if you don't agree,
Svenny90
Profile Joined May 2012
21 Posts
September 07 2012 15:10 GMT
#279
Wait... I always thought that melting ice was making the earth cooling down...
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
September 07 2012 15:19 GMT
#280
To fight global warming maybe we should stop heating our houses.
People always talk about how co2 causes global warming , but all the heating of our houses, the cooling water of energy plants,and such things must add some heat as well?
Basicly anny industrial activity comes with the output of a huge amount of warm gasses/water/air,not to mention volcanos and such (not meaning the co2 from them, just their heath)
Is the contribution of all this heath to global warming insignificant compared to the contribution of co2?
Its a thing i sometimes wonder about and i cant seem to find anny info on it on the web.
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