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On September 07 2012 23:17 Tanukki wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but though the melting of ice is a very graphic and easily recognised event, it's not proportional to the rise in sea levels, which is the phenomenon we should worried about.
A simplified example:
Water is most dense at 4 degrees celcius, so if you took a bunch of floating ice, and melted that ice to 4 degrees celcius, the sea level would actually drop.
Of course, the result of heavy global warming is still a net rise in sea levels (an increase in the ratio of warmer water to 4 degree water), but this is still a thing to consider.
No, because some the ice is floating above the water, so it's not displacing any water.
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On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.
This was the impression I was under as well. Who knows these days...
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On September 08 2012 00:28 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 23:17 Tanukki wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but though the melting of ice is a very graphic and easily recognised event, it's not proportional to the rise in sea levels, which is the phenomenon we should worried about.
A simplified example:
Water is most dense at 4 degrees celcius, so if you took a bunch of floating ice, and melted that ice to 4 degrees celcius, the sea level would actually drop.
Of course, the result of heavy global warming is still a net rise in sea levels (an increase in the ratio of warmer water to 4 degree water), but this is still a thing to consider. No, because some the ice is floating above the water, so it's not displacing any water.
Now that is wrong mate. The volume of a piece of ice floating (no matter how high above the water the ice is) is equal to the volume of water displaced. Archimedes told us so.
Only thing that counts at sea level increase is the ice melting from the land areas, glaciers and stuff.
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One volcanic eruption offsets all that we can possibly contribute to global warming over a year. Couple this with natural cycles and solar storms, solar maximums and various other factors....Global warming is like an ant climbing Mt. Everest.
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On September 07 2012 21:10 freerolll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:34 HaXXspetten wrote:
Time for someone to start building that Ark you do know that its Ice thats floating on water right?
well i guess its time to build another titanic
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On September 08 2012 00:19 Rassy wrote:
To fight global warming maybe we should stop heating our houses.
but... but... we'll freeze in winter. Surely global warming is bad but freezing to death is not any better.
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Sunspot_Numbers.png/400px-Sunspot_Numbers.png)
hmm. Wonder why this could be happening...
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On September 08 2012 00:31 GohgamX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. This was the impression I was under as well. Who knows these days...
People who aren't ignorant know. The evidence is blatantly obvious.
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There are no "Heat" cycles of our sun. And I know several astronomers. There is however Earth based procession cycles which is the reason for the Ice Age. This is in fact....the hot period of our procession. That is why the North Pole is melting WAY more than Antarctica because the procession cycle is pointed there.
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I'm going HAM on all repubes! Fix my gawdawm earth mofos! Fuck guns, build some solar panels!
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On September 08 2012 01:57 gosublade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 00:31 GohgamX wrote:On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. This was the impression I was under as well. Who knows these days... People who aren't ignorant know. The evidence is blatantly obvious.
http://phys.org/news189845962.html
Yea its incredible the kind of nonsense people come up with...
Seriously, I've met a few climate scientists during my time studying physics at a very prestigious university. There is no 'debate' on climate change, its a complete academic consensus and all the denial comes from cherry picked evidence at best which is no legitimate science.
Its utterly maddening, people with zero qualification discussing a subject they have no understanding of. You don't debate the Higgs, you just applaud when its found (despite its discovery not having the best implications), you don't question the electrical engineers who construct your phone. However as soon as science tells you something you don't want to hear, you're suddenly against it. Its McCarthyism, pure and simple.
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On July 25 2012 09:42 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.html
I don't know enough about trustworthy UK sites. But so tired of people tryin' to say "People are the reason for climate change". Cows alone outproduce 18% of "Greenhouse gases"...obviously climate change is a cyclical pattern as the Earth tilts on its axis. The last reports I've read of the southern hemisphere is that the shelf is actually slowly growin', not at the rate the north is meltin', but that's do to the chemistry of salt water, not a greenhouse gas effect. Global warmin'/climate change is just a whole bunch of crap tryin' to scare people into buyin' more expensive "alternative energy" products. Sure there may be some truth to greenhouse gases bein' captured by the atmosphere, but our ozone let's most of the deadly gases escape, we aren't Venus that traps everythin'. Our ozone is structured differently.
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On September 08 2012 00:35 tertos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 00:28 APurpleCow wrote:On September 07 2012 23:17 Tanukki wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but though the melting of ice is a very graphic and easily recognised event, it's not proportional to the rise in sea levels, which is the phenomenon we should worried about.
A simplified example:
Water is most dense at 4 degrees celcius, so if you took a bunch of floating ice, and melted that ice to 4 degrees celcius, the sea level would actually drop.
Of course, the result of heavy global warming is still a net rise in sea levels (an increase in the ratio of warmer water to 4 degree water), but this is still a thing to consider. No, because some the ice is floating above the water, so it's not displacing any water. Now that is wrong mate. The volume of a piece of ice floating (no matter how high above the water the ice is) is equal to the volume of water displaced. Archimedes told us so. Only thing that counts at sea level increase is the ice melting from the land areas, glaciers and stuff.
I think you need to look up Archimedes' Principle again.
Because that's not what it tells us. At all.
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On September 07 2012 19:30 Poltergeist- wrote:
We humans have a rather large ego to think that we can change something as big as the earth's climate by driving a few cars around in select areas of the planet.
There are more than half a billion cars used daily worldwide and we have the power to end all life on earth with nuclear weapons... I don't find it very hard to believe.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, On September 08 2012 01:49 Jisall wrote:hmm. Wonder why this could be happening... I somehow doubt the 100+ year old data -_-
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On September 08 2012 02:41 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:42 ayaz2810 wrote:On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlI don't know enough about trustworthy UK sites. But so tired of people tryin' to say "People are the reason for climate change". Cows alone outproduce 18% of "Greenhouse gases"...obviously climate change is a cyclical pattern as the Earth tilts on its axis. The last reports I've read of the southern hemisphere is that the shelf is actually slowly growin', not at the rate the north is meltin', but that's do to the chemistry of salt water, not a greenhouse gas effect. Global warmin'/climate change is just a whole bunch of crap tryin' to scare people into buyin' more expensive "alternative energy" products. Sure there may be some truth to greenhouse gases bein' captured by the atmosphere, but our ozone let's most of the deadly gases escape, we aren't Venus that traps everythin'. Our ozone is structured differently.
Yes cows produce a lot of methane and it probably does account for more global warming than car emissions. But there would be a hell of a lot less cows in the world without agriculture. It's still human caused greenhouse gas even if we aren't directly creating it.
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Hmm, I'm glad the NCSE is now combating bad educational content on global warming.
Sunspots, heat cycles, wow...
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Heat cycles, baaaahahahahahahaha.
Electromagnetic radiation doesn't heat the Earth, bros.
There are people who deny the holocaust too. Fighting the uneducated, misinformed, and too-lazy-to-research in this country (the US) is impossible- largely due to polarizing bipartisan politics.
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On September 08 2012 02:41 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:42 ayaz2810 wrote:On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlI don't know enough about trustworthy UK sites. But so tired of people tryin' to say "People are the reason for climate change". Cows alone outproduce 18% of "Greenhouse gases"...obviously climate change is a cyclical pattern as the Earth tilts on its axis. The last reports I've read of the southern hemisphere is that the shelf is actually slowly growin', not at the rate the north is meltin', but that's do to the chemistry of salt water, not a greenhouse gas effect. Global warmin'/climate change is just a whole bunch of crap tryin' to scare people into buyin' more expensive "alternative energy" products. Sure there may be some truth to greenhouse gases bein' captured by the atmosphere, but our ozone let's most of the deadly gases escape, we aren't Venus that traps everythin'. Our ozone is structured differently.
And why would you think this many cows exist in the first place? Their skills at eluding predators?
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On September 08 2012 02:41 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 09:42 ayaz2810 wrote:On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote:
Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder. Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlI don't know enough about trustworthy UK sites. But so tired of people tryin' to say "People are the reason for climate change". Cows alone outproduce 18% of "Greenhouse gases"...obviously climate change is a cyclical pattern as the Earth tilts on its axis. The last reports I've read of the southern hemisphere is that the shelf is actually slowly growin', not at the rate the north is meltin', but that's do to the chemistry of salt water, not a greenhouse gas effect. Global warmin'/climate change is just a whole bunch of crap tryin' to scare people into buyin' more expensive "alternative energy" products. Sure there may be some truth to greenhouse gases bein' captured by the atmosphere, but our ozone let's most of the deadly gases escape, we aren't Venus that traps everythin'. Our ozone is structured differently.
The article you posted doesn't say a god damned thing about Cows outproducing Humans in co2 emissions, it says that domesticated Cows (Propagated by Humans) outproduce CARS (Also produced by Humans) in co2 emissions. In essence, that article addresses two sources of co2 that are totally dependent on Human civilization. (Albeit, we could certainly stop making so many cars and breeding so much beef.)
Still, you must realize that Cows are a domesticated animal that no longer have viability in nature without our constant stewardship - they have undergone thousands of years of intentional breeding to make them docile and fat for our own benefit. Without Humans, cows would not have implemented massive deforestation or have been able to conquer such impressive swaths of the globe as they now enjoy.
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