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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On September 08 2012 01:49 Jisall wrote: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Sunspot_Numbers.png/400px-Sunspot_Numbers.png) hmm. Wonder why this could be happening... That data is cherry picked. Notice that the temperature of very recent years is not included. This is because these years completely diverge from the trend and do not tell the story the pseudoskeptics want you to believe. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:12 Crownlol wrote: Heat cycles, baaaahahahahahahaha. Electromagnetic radiation doesn't heat the Earth, bros. There are people who deny the holocaust too. Fighting the uneducated, misinformed, and too-lazy-to-research in this country (the US) is impossible- largely due to polarizing bipartisan politics. The idea that the sun warms up the earth is indeed laughable No point in trying to lecture people on sunspots or annything else sun related. Its all irrelevant since the sun simply can not heat up the earth at all /sarcasm. | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:19 DamnCats wrote: And why would you think this many cows exist in the first place? Their skills at eluding predators? Indeed. The point is industry causes the bulk of problems. Cows count as industry as we breed them on an industrial scale. Climate change is an issue, yes the earth has certainly been in worse predicaments but that isn't the point. Noone is worried about the health of the earth, its the ability to sustain our massive population, changes in climate will have a dramatic effect on food production, water supply and extreme weather, problems in which will caused increased immigration from areas worst hit, further straining those areas which are still habitable. These problems are already visible in a lot of the third world and will only increase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming It's a sad truth but we really can't sustain this rate, and for the record I don't think "alternative energy" is the solution being pushed. It's a general reduction is our rate of consumption, energy problems can be solved with nuclear power, which the alternative energy movement ignorantly opposes, resulting in a lack of development in nuclear production technology, leaving us with a bunch of less than ideal sites all over the place which should've been updated. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:32 Rassy wrote: The idea that the sun warms up the earth is indeed laughable No point in trying to lecture people on sunspots or annything else sun related. Its all irrelevant since the sun simply can not heat up the earth at all /sarcasm. Sunspots do not have a noticable effect on Earth's temperature: http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Solar_activity | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On September 08 2012 06:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: It's not all that bad. At least we won't have to get shot at by Somalian pirates anymore. That is nice. Global warming caused by oil, lets us find more oil (article mentions how this opens up new areas for oil and gas drilling) Wich will increase global warming so that we can find even more oil! The irony of this feedback loop is kinda funny  | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I actually support nuclear power. People keep whining about nuclear accidents and potential fission side effects, but nuclear power is far from the only source of energy that causes accidents. It's safe and has the potential to be safer with some investment, and is a good springboard towards clean fusion. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On September 08 2012 02:46 APurpleCow wrote: I think you need to look up Archimedes' Principle again. Because that's not what it tells us. At all. He's still right though cow. Any piece of ice that floats in the water displaces as much water (in weight) as the piece of ice weighs, if the ice melts the water it turns to will still weigh the same, and so it will not increase the sea level more so than the original piece of ice did in the first place. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On September 08 2012 02:46 APurpleCow wrote: I think you need to look up Archimedes' Principle again. Because that's not what it tells us. At all. lol go fill up your bathtub to the top and lay in it tell me what happens to the water | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2132 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:49 Silidons wrote: lol go fill up your bathtub to the top and lay in it tell me what happens to the water thats irrelevant. Free floating ice will not raise the water level as they melt. The problem is that greenland is not a giant piece of ice cube. Its an ice sheet that sits on top of a bedrock. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1798 Posts
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
On September 08 2012 11:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I actually support nuclear power. People keep whining about nuclear accidents and potential fission side effects, but nuclear power is far from the only source of energy that causes accidents. It's safe and has the potential to be safer with some investment, and is a good springboard towards clean fusion. I am not against nuclear power, but your logic is kindda flawed, because a (major) nuclear disaster will ruin all land around the nuclear for several generations. Compared to this, other sources of energy will be more like to only cause short term damage (aside from greenhouse gas emission ;-)). As a final word, guys you shouldn't worry, because winter is coming! | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:29 APurpleCow wrote: That data is cherry picked. Notice that the temperature of very recent years is not included. This is because these years completely diverge from the trend and do not tell the story the pseudoskeptics want you to believe. There's a good portion on this in here. Then you could start reading the literature. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 09 2012 04:24 Kluey wrote: Sorry nooby question: What's so bad about climate change? I mean, it's bad that it gets hot and shit but is there any disastrous effects of climate change? Yes, eventually all life ends and the environment becomes so extreme that life can't ever develop or thrive again. I'd say that counts as "disastrous". | ||
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claybones
United States244 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 09 2012 04:29 claybones wrote: I understand that global warming is probably occurring but... has anyone considered geothermal activity having something to do with this? The Earth's core is changing but its widely believed that there's some sort of cycle we're going through. The magnetic shield is weakening and also rotating which will eventually result in compasses pointing south when its North and vice versa. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On September 08 2012 05:03 Crownlol wrote: Sunspots do not have a noticable effect on Earth's temperature: http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Solar_activity This cant be correct at all, the Maunder minimum corresponds to extended periods of VERY low temperatures. Are you implying that there isn't even a correlation between them? | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On September 09 2012 04:29 claybones wrote: I understand that global warming is probably occurring but... has anyone considered geothermal activity having something to do with this? Yes. Lots of people have. Lots of people have shown that it's not substantial. Geez, people think that they have this novel idea that nobody has ever thought of before even though there are thousands of PH.Ds that spend every single day thinking about this subject. How egotistical are you? Really, this is the one reason why people need to take philosophy classes in college, it teaches you that any idea you have had, someone has had before. To get to anything novel, you have to read through all of the ideas that you have had and then would have had next (maybe, if you have another 2000 years to think about it) to finally get to a point where you may have an idea that someone hasn't had before. Yes, unless you're a PH.D on the subject, your idea has been thought of before and if it's not mentioned as a "good idea" then it has already been thrown out. I can guarantee it. On the other hand, if it really is so easy for you to come up with such a stellar argument, just write down the whole thesis and any PH.D program will instantly accept you with lots of funding. Don't sit on your ass, take the free money! This came off as a lot more aggressive than I intended, but still the idea is there. Really, in every subject you study you're probably saying "geez, why do people listen to people who are not experts!". Even a guy I know who is a fish salesperson gets pissed when a friend tells another friend how to care for fish! No matter who you are, you know that non-experts say the dumbest shit about the subject and think they know it all and everyone must either be dumb or corrupt. Now flip the argument, are you an expert on this subject? What do you sound like to the people who study it all day? No good indepth coherent argument for/against any of these arguments will appear on a web form because it would be a semester long project. Accept expert opinion if you are not willing to read it all. | ||
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