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The year 2012 was a terrible time for the planet, according to a new report released by the American Meteorological Society this week.
Edited by scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the 2012 State of the Climate report revealed that Arctic sea ice reached a record low, while sea levels and greenhouse gases from fossil fuel burning hit all-time highs last year.
2012 was also one of the top 10 warmest years on record globally, according to the report, which received input from hundreds of climate experts from more than 50 countries. The United States and Argentina specifically experienced their hottest years ever.
"The findings are striking," said Kathryn Sullivan, acting administrator of the NOAA, according to the Agence France-Presse. "Our planet as a whole is becoming a warmer place."
Conditions in the Arctic were a major story of 2012, with the region experiencing unprecedented change and breaking several records. Sea ice shrank to its smallest “summer minimum” extent since satellite records began 34 years ago. In addition, more than 97 percent of the Greenland ice sheet showed some form of melt during the summer, four times greater than the 1981–2010 average melt extent.
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On May 09 2013 11:39 Roman wrote:
"And since the heat-trapping gas that has already put into the atmosphere will be there for hundreds of years to come, Greenland will continue to melt indefinitely. The fact that it may not happen quite as fast as the worst-case scenarios might forecast isn’t all that reassuring."
Can someone clarify, I thought CO2 in the atmosphere only stayed there for thirty something years before breaking down.
There are greenhouse gases trapped in the arctic ice, not just CO2 but also methane and other gases. When the ice melts it releases this trapped gas into the atmosphere causing a chain reaction.
Earth warms -> ice melts -> release greenhouse gases -> earth gets warmer -> more ice melts -> more greenhouse gases released
This is also irreversible, once the gases are released, you can't re-trap the gas back into the ice, the gases are in the atmosphere to stay.
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Fun fact: Without the greenhouse effect (and with a other few environmental changes), Venus could serve as a nice holiday planet, actually. Instead, the temperatures are closer to the boiling point of sulphur. With Venus having roughly the same gravity as Earth, Venus is as close to "Hell on Earth" as one could possibly get. People should use this to scare religious people who don't believe in science and don't believe in limiting greenhouse gases. I think it makes for a fun argument 
Also, if the sea level rises "only" 3 feet (approx. 1 meter), this map shows what the effects would be. Take a look at the east coast of China a little north of Shanghai...
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Isnt venus like way closer to the sun then earth?
And if see water rises with 1m, you just need make all the dams 1 m higher
1m or even 3m rise in seawater should not have a devastating influence, when it gets to 10m+ it gets worrysome though.
"This is also irreversible, once the gases are released, you can't re-trap the gas back into the ice, the gases are in the atmosphere to stay."
Then how did the gas get trapped in the first place?
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Yeah 'Murica had its hottest year in ages, but the likes of the UK and Australia had relatively cool summers. English summer last year was just rain. And we than had our harshest winter in years as well, the most snow falling in years. It also lasted way into 2013.
Australia also had lots of rain too and i the Tennis tournament was also not as hot as it normally is.
So i think that is a bit bias report personally, another scare mongering exercise.
No question that there might of been an increase in water levels and reduction in ice levels last year but im pretty sure it balances itself out of the last 50 years. No doubt you get hotter summers than previous years or cooler than previous years. You do in England that's for sure.
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On August 07 2013 18:50 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah 'Murica had its hottest year in ages, but the likes of the UK and Australia had relatively cool summers. English summer last year was just rain. And we than had our harshest winter in years as well, the most snow falling in years. It also lasted way into 2013.
Australia also had lots of rain too and i the Tennis tournament was also not as hot as it normally is.
So i think that is a bit bias report personally, another scare mongering exercise.
No question that there might of been an increase in water levels and reduction in ice levels last year but im pretty sure it balances itself out of the last 50 years. No doubt you get hotter summers than previous years or cooler than previous years. You do in England that's for sure.
Actually the Global Warming will cause a different effect in Europe. It will freeze eventually because the Gulf Stream will disappear from Europe (I am not sure if I used the right English names for this).
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On August 07 2013 18:46 Rassy wrote:Isnt venus like way closer to the sun then earth? And if see water rises with 1m, you just need make all the dams 1 m higher 1m or even 3m rise in seawater should not have a devastating influence, when it gets to 10m+ it gets worrysome though. "This is also irreversible, once the gases are released, you can't re-trap the gas back into the ice, the gases are in the atmosphere to stay." Then how did the gas get trapped in the first place?
Ice Ages.
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On August 07 2013 18:46 Rassy wrote:Isnt venus like way closer to the sun then earth? And if see water rises with 1m, you just need make all the dams 1 m higher 1m or even 3m rise in seawater should not have a devastating influence, when it gets to 10m+ it gets worrysome though. "This is also irreversible, once the gases are released, you can't re-trap the gas back into the ice, the gases are in the atmosphere to stay." Then how did the gas get trapped in the first place?
The result of dead plant and animal matter being trapped for thousands of years.
Also another fun fact
Permafrost can also store carbon, both as peat and as methane. The most recent work investigating the permafrost carbon pool size estimates that 1400–1700 Gt of carbon is stored in permafrost soils worldwide.[3] This large carbon pool represents more carbon than currently exists in all living things and twice as much carbon as exists in the atmosphere.
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On August 07 2013 19:00 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 18:50 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah 'Murica had its hottest year in ages, but the likes of the UK and Australia had relatively cool summers. English summer last year was just rain. And we than had our harshest winter in years as well, the most snow falling in years. It also lasted way into 2013.
Australia also had lots of rain too and i the Tennis tournament was also not as hot as it normally is.
So i think that is a bit bias report personally, another scare mongering exercise.
No question that there might of been an increase in water levels and reduction in ice levels last year but im pretty sure it balances itself out of the last 50 years. No doubt you get hotter summers than previous years or cooler than previous years. You do in England that's for sure. Actually the Global Warming will cause a different effect in Europe. It will freeze eventually because the Gulf Stream will disappear from Europe (I am not sure if I used the right English names for this).
Yeah you used the right English. Pretty sure that this wont happen in a while. Whilst last year England had a bad Summer, this year seems very good and i know from TL alone that Germany has had a pretty hot summer so far too? And France. So im guessing no signs of that Ice Age yet 
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Summer was decent but the past 5 years summers here have been significantly worse then in the 1995-2005 era and winters have been stronger. though i think this has more to do with natural fluctuation and the lower activity of the sun in recent years, some scientists even predict a new maunder minimum like period for several decades.
The gulfstream stopping would be quiet devastating though for northern europe, and i realy hope it wont come to that. Not to found of verry cold weather.
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Denialists are just retard making up things they have no clue about. They are playing the game of the big companies and countries who try to find excuses to continue to make huge amounts of CO2, methane, poluted chimics etc... without any regard to the planet or the future generations.
Yes Earth has period of warm and cold but it's every 50 000 yrs. 4°c in 100 yrs is totally anormal.
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still a believer in that global warming and climate crap is all crap, the earth is its own engine it will do what is pleases. We are insignificant. I sat a seminar (not to do with school or college or uni) where this lead researcher said we(humans) make no difference to the planet at all. Life seems to go through periodical mass extinctions, 6 i bleieve have happened since the birth of the planet. As far as im concerned, noone should be concerned. we are becoming to be a very adaptive race but we simply cant stop the earth/suns/moon - other contributing bodies cycle and evolution. Sorry guys its just facts, we mean nothing to this planet, she will do with us as she pleases.
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People who are still skeptical about global warming caused by humans make me facepalm so hard. Why do the overwhelming majority of scientist (the ones that arent bribed by big companies that would suffer if we would take actions against global warming) in this area of science agree that man-made global warming is real then? surely they are 500x times the clue about this than the average poster in this thread(me included)
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On August 07 2013 19:33 StatixEx wrote:
still a believer in that global warming and climate crap is all crap, the earth is its own engine it will do what is pleases. We are insignificant. I sat a seminar (not to do with school or college or uni) where this lead researcher said we(humans) make no difference to the planet at all. Life seems to go through periodical mass extinctions, 6 i bleieve have happened since the birth of the planet. As far as im concerned, noone should be concerned. we are becoming to be a very adaptive race but we simply cant stop the earth/suns/moon - other contributing bodies cycle and evolution. Sorry guys its just facts, we mean nothing to this planet, she will do with us as she pleases.
Are you blind?
Have you never scene a cloud of brown / yellow gaz on top of big cities? Do you not know that in Australia there is a hole in the auzone film and that's why it's the country with the most cancer of the skin? Glacier that were so big in the 20's have dissapeared in 80 yrs and it's all natural?
So you want us not to act? You are not concerned at all with the different gazes we put in the atmosphere. In 100 years we changed the pourcentages of gaz in the air etc...
Sorry I won't argue more with retards like you. Oh and this researcher was fake btw, any person with a real brain would not say that.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 07 2013 19:48 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 19:33 StatixEx wrote:
still a believer in that global warming and climate crap is all crap, the earth is its own engine it will do what is pleases. We are insignificant. I sat a seminar (not to do with school or college or uni) where this lead researcher said we(humans) make no difference to the planet at all. Life seems to go through periodical mass extinctions, 6 i bleieve have happened since the birth of the planet. As far as im concerned, noone should be concerned. we are becoming to be a very adaptive race but we simply cant stop the earth/suns/moon - other contributing bodies cycle and evolution. Sorry guys its just facts, we mean nothing to this planet, she will do with us as she pleases. Are you blind? Have you never scene a cloud of brown / yellow gaz on top of big cities? Do you not know that in Australia there is a hole in the auzone film and that's why it's the country with the most cancer of the skin? Glacier that were so big in the 20's have dissapeared in 80 yrs and it's all natural? So you want us not to act? You are not concerned at all with the different gazes we put in the atmosphere. In 100 years we changed the pourcentages of gaz in the air etc... Sorry I won't argue more with retards like you. Oh and this researcher was fake btw, any person with a real brain would not say that.
You weren't really arguing much to begin with, your statements seem to just be "You don't agree with me, so you are fucking stupid." I am sure you would be much better at getting your point across if you weren't such a tool.
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See, thats the problem. There is nothing to argue.
All you can do is "believe" the research. If you disagree with it thats fine, as fine as believing in scientology or the 2000 year old earth (in other words, it's ridiculous and people will make fun of you).
Btw: Even if denialists are "right", at this point, with the stuff "we" know right now, your still a friggin retard for being one.
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On August 07 2013 19:31 Acertos wrote:
Denialists are just retard making up things they have no clue about. They are playing the game of the big companies and countries who try to find excuses to continue to make huge amounts of CO2, methane, poluted chimics etc... without any regard to the planet or the future generations.
Yes Earth has period of warm and cold but it's every 50 000 yrs. 4°c in 100 yrs is totally anormal.
But that is guesses and estimates from the past, yes it is a real good estimate but it still doesnt account for the majority of time. 4c plus in 100 years sounds alot, but after an Ice Age the numbers might of been similar. We might be due an ice age according to some scientists. My theory which i will always stand by after hearing from Professor Hawkins is about the Polar Ice caps moving (North and South pole) which is the main reason to all these "climate shifts" which are being talked about, and it just happens to coincide with the rise in Global Warming
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On August 07 2013 19:54 yokohama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 19:48 Acertos wrote:On August 07 2013 19:33 StatixEx wrote:
still a believer in that global warming and climate crap is all crap, the earth is its own engine it will do what is pleases. We are insignificant. I sat a seminar (not to do with school or college or uni) where this lead researcher said we(humans) make no difference to the planet at all. Life seems to go through periodical mass extinctions, 6 i bleieve have happened since the birth of the planet. As far as im concerned, noone should be concerned. we are becoming to be a very adaptive race but we simply cant stop the earth/suns/moon - other contributing bodies cycle and evolution. Sorry guys its just facts, we mean nothing to this planet, she will do with us as she pleases. Are you blind? Have you never scene a cloud of brown / yellow gaz on top of big cities? Do you not know that in Australia there is a hole in the auzone film and that's why it's the country with the most cancer of the skin? Glacier that were so big in the 20's have dissapeared in 80 yrs and it's all natural? So you want us not to act? You are not concerned at all with the different gazes we put in the atmosphere. In 100 years we changed the pourcentages of gaz in the air etc... Sorry I won't argue more with retards like you. Oh and this researcher was fake btw, any person with a real brain would not say that. You weren't really arguing much to begin with, your statements seem to just be "You don't agree with me, so you are fucking stupid." I am sure you would be much better at getting your point across if you weren't such a tool.
Ok ok I will take time to respond to you.
I was arguing about the existence of global warming caused / greatly amplified by humanity and it was implicit if you didn't understand.
Then I began to give him all kinds of easy understandable things that prove that there is a problem with warming and that it was caused by humans.
Then I say I won't argue anymore with retards who can't grasp reality.
Like another one said. Yes creationists, scientologists, denialists of the global warming or any delusional stupid theory can be "right" with each its own "scientific way" to prove the stupid theory.
They are even "right" when confronted with reality so for me they are just retards.
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On August 07 2013 19:58 Velr wrote:
See, thats the problem. There is nothing to argue.
All you can do is "believe" the research. If you disagree with it thats fine, as fine as believing in scientology or the 2000 year old earth (in other words, it's ridiculous and people will make fun of you).
Btw: Even if denialists are "right", at this point, with the stuff "we" know right now, your still a friggin retard for being one.
I never said I was a "denialist", I was simply stating he should learn to argue a point without attacking someone.
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On August 07 2013 18:46 Rassy wrote:Isnt venus like way closer to the sun then earth? And if see water rises with 1m, you just need make all the dams 1 m higher 1m or even 3m rise in seawater should not have a devastating influence, when it gets to 10m+ it gets worrysome though. "This is also irreversible, once the gases are released, you can't re-trap the gas back into the ice, the gases are in the atmosphere to stay." Then how did the gas get trapped in the first place?
yep venus is outside the green zone for life, also the achse isnt in the right position and its move to slow so thats one of the horror reasons there ^^ (we have 24h day they have 243 days day so 243 times longer days ^^)
on the +1 meter thing, no it would not help make the dams 1 m higher ... its 1 meter everywhere even on the beaches. so every beach would be gone bye bye, there are not everywhere dams etc it would have an horrible effect ...
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