Exorcism - devil possession or mental illness? - Page 3

On November 22 2005 17:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Wasted manner up ffs. If you really cared about what i thought you woulda kept the last part of your post in your anus.

Do you even know what a forum troll is? Or did you hear one of the cool kids use it and now you wave it around to sound intelligent?

On November 22 2005 16:54 BrutalMenace wrote:
exorcism is real whether you believe it or not. It doesnt need to be mathematically or scientifically proven for it to be real. Because it just exist, and demons do possess some individuals. Emily rose was possesed by not 1, but Five Demons. Cain, Lucipher, Judas, and 2 other guys. She tried to ride out the demons but they would not leave under any circumstances. Im Catholic/Christian so i do believe in exorcism.

On November 23 2005 06:59 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, The Exorcist is based on a true story, in which the only chief difference is that it happened to a young boy. For those of you who have seen it, you can see how science failed to explain what was happening. The part where the young priest, the skeptical priest, records her voice and there are multiple voices recorded? That really happened. I know this because I know one of the advisors for the movie (Rev. John Nicola, his name is in the credits).

Is the presence of spirits in any way scientifically verifiable? As of yet, no. But a thousand years ago, neither were half of the things we know now. It is worthwhile, I believe, to accept that sometimes you do not know the answer to things, and should continue attempting to find out; not for vindicating your own views, but for the truth.

I oftentimes feel that my posts are wasted on this forum, as there are not enough people who seem willing to entertain the possibility that I may be right about all of us being wrong.

Anywho, it makes me chuckle when I see people say that science discredits religion. Simply because there is a natural cause and/or explanation for something, does not rule out supernatural influence. For instance, many of the plagues of Egypt are known and explicable scientifically. Were they just a string of coincidences, then? We can't say. It was about 3000 years ago.

We should all have a little more humility when dealing with just about anything, but especially about things both relatively unknown and potentially dangerous. Do I believe in possession, personally? Yes. I have seen and heard a lot of very strange things from very reliable people, the aforementioned Fr. Nicola included. I have also read and asked wiser heads about St. Thomas Aquinas' explanations as found in his Summa Theologica.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. The only things I know for a certainty is that something exists, and beyond that I know that I know nothing else for a certainty. I have beliefs that stem from these two certainties, and I act upon them.

One should never make up one's mind and just hold fast to it without questioning. But if you begin to question, you should never stop, because no answer you ever get will be complete and whole; you've gotta keep trying.

Yeah... hopefully one or two people will actually read this.

On November 23 2005 07:20 Eatme wrote:
Well, I have changed my mind. I'm now pro exorcism. Not that I believe it is true or anything but the people who do deserve to die or get jailed and thats a common occurance when it comes to exorcism as it seems.
I know I tend to flame chrisitians but I'm going to stop that for a while since this shit is way worse. Comeon, a spirit entering your body ect ect. It's so mindnumbing retarded. There is no such things. I know the best I can get out of this is some of you telling me that I'm ingnorant and that you in some way know this is true without years of medical training and knowledge of epilepsy or scitzofrenia ect. "Some priest in my church told me this is real so it must be true coz he told me that jesus is cool and that is true so everything he says is true. I dont want to stop and think and use logic to see if this makes sense at all."

Please list all logical reasons behind this and dont come and say that it's unexplainable and bla bla bla. What is a deamon/spirit whatever and how and why (ecept that the one possesed have jerked off ect) does it enter ones body. And why does praying and hitting someone with a plus make the deamon leave the body and where does it go after that?

This is just silly, there is no such thing. I hoped this thread would be nice as it were for most of page one but come on.
I just had to went this... sry, I'm back to being fussy and nice now...

On November 23 2005 06:59 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
For those of you who are unaware, The Exorcist is based on a true story, in which the only chief difference is that it happened to a young boy. For those of you who have seen it, you can see how science failed to explain what was happening. The part where the young priest, the skeptical priest, records her voice and there are multiple voices recorded? That really happened. I know this because I know one of the advisors for the movie (Rev. John Nicola, his name is in the credits).

Is the presence of spirits in any way scientifically verifiable? As of yet, no. But a thousand years ago, neither were half of the things we know now. It is worthwhile, I believe, to accept that sometimes you do not know the answer to things, and should continue attempting to find out; not for vindicating your own views, but for the truth.

I oftentimes feel that my posts are wasted on this forum, as there are not enough people who seem willing to entertain the possibility that I may be right about all of us being wrong.

Anywho, it makes me chuckle when I see people say that science discredits religion. Simply because there is a natural cause and/or explanation for something, does not rule out supernatural influence. For instance, many of the plagues of Egypt are known and explicable scientifically. Were they just a string of coincidences, then? We can't say. It was about 3000 years ago.

We should all have a little more humility when dealing with just about anything, but especially about things both relatively unknown and potentially dangerous. Do I believe in possession, personally? Yes. I have seen and heard a lot of very strange things from very reliable people, the aforementioned Fr. Nicola included. I have also read and asked wiser heads about St. Thomas Aquinas' explanations as found in his Summa Theologica.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. The only things I know for a certainty is that something exists, and beyond that I know that I know nothing else for a certainty. I have beliefs that stem from these two certainties, and I act upon them.

One should never make up one's mind and just hold fast to it without questioning. But if you begin to question, you should never stop, because no answer you ever get will be complete and whole; you've gotta keep trying.

Yeah... hopefully one or two people will actually read this.

On November 23 2005 08:13 Knosi wrote:


Have you ever used an ouija-bord? It is used to summon ghosts/entities. You've probably heard of it. Anyway do some research about it. The reason it is so dangerous is because noone knows exactly what happens. Well basically u let the entity take possesion over your body so it will give you the answers you ask it. If a strong ghost/entity does NOT want to leave your body it will stay till driven out. And that is a fact my friend.