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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
November 23 2005 00:56 GMT
#61
not really :D
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
November 23 2005 00:57 GMT
#62
of course, I consider everything bullshit till it has been soundly and irrefutably proven and I think that's how everyone should evaluate data

sadly this is nowhere near the case
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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
November 23 2005 01:06 GMT
#63
Just make sure you don't end up like this guy
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Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
November 23 2005 01:27 GMT
#64
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mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
November 23 2005 01:28 GMT
#65
wow radu that guy sucks. that is so easy how did he fuck that up. loooos fake almost, or did he pull a muscle?
express yourself--madonna
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
November 23 2005 01:31 GMT
#66
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Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
November 23 2005 01:32 GMT
#67
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DaN[SES]
Profile Joined April 2003
United States167 Posts
November 23 2005 01:51 GMT
#68
there's a difference between citing 'patterns of paranormal behavior' and putting forth a serious theory about dualism.

Does parapsychology possess any significant body of theory concerning what a nonmaterial being is like, a theory of what nonphysical elements compose it, and what nonphysical laws govern their interactions with each other and with the various aspects of the material world? Importantly, this question concerns only the EXISTENCE of of relevant theory, not its verification. Does parapsychology have any significant body of generally shared theory with which to even address the empirical phenomena? The sad fact of it is, it does not. This a fact that separates it from other 'theoretical underdogs' that become accepted theories.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 23 2005 02:02 GMT
#69
On November 23 2005 08:13 Knosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2005 07:20 Eatme wrote:
Well, I have changed my mind. I'm now pro exorcism. Not that I believe it is true or anything but the people who do deserve to die or get jailed and thats a common occurance when it comes to exorcism as it seems.
I know I tend to flame chrisitians but I'm going to stop that for a while since this shit is way worse. Comeon, a spirit entering your body ect ect. It's so mindnumbing retarded. There is no such things. I know the best I can get out of this is some of you telling me that I'm ingnorant and that you in some way know this is true without years of medical training and knowledge of epilepsy or scitzofrenia ect. "Some priest in my church told me this is real so it must be true coz he told me that jesus is cool and that is true so everything he says is true. I dont want to stop and think and use logic to see if this makes sense at all."

Please list all logical reasons behind this and dont come and say that it's unexplainable and bla bla bla. What is a deamon/spirit whatever and how and why (ecept that the one possesed have jerked off ect) does it enter ones body. And why does praying and hitting someone with a plus make the deamon leave the body and where does it go after that?

This is just silly, there is no such thing. I hoped this thread would be nice as it were for most of page one but come on.
I just had to went this... sry, I'm back to being fussy and nice now...


Have you ever used an ouija-bord? It is used to summon ghosts/entities. You've probably heard of it. Anyway do some research about it. The reason it is so dangerous is because noone knows exactly what happens. Well basically u let the entity take possesion over your body so it will give you the answers you ask it. If a strong ghost/entity does NOT want to leave your body it will stay till driven out. And that is a fact my friend.


And I suppose you know this because you've been possesed in this way yourself?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 23 2005 02:07 GMT
#70
On November 23 2005 10:32 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
mitsy this is a serious discussion about ghosts............

Rofl
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-23 04:11:32
November 23 2005 04:06 GMT
#71
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Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-23 05:27:51
November 23 2005 05:26 GMT
#72
From the real emily rose link:

One of the demons called himself Hitler, and spoke with a Frankish accent (Hitler was born in Austria). Not one of those present during the exorcism ever had a doubt about the authenticity of the presence of these demons.


They nickname themselves. It doesn't have to mean it's the real Lucifer or Judas or Cain..etc(It's possible they may be the real ones but it's almost impossible to prove). Most likely like a codename specifically for their mission which that time is attacking Emily Rose (Annaliese Michel). One thing I've read about is that they ever named themselves according to specialties. For instance, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride....etc. This possession is using names of big characters in the bible. I think they're naming themselves according to rank for this possession.

Damn tricky evil demons. There have been an exorcism where they pretend to be cured where it's only one demon who left the possessed person. The priest knew that it is trick through what is known as the Holy Spirit which I won't further elaborate except that it's something or someone on the good side. (I'll tell that the Holy Spirit is real through experience but I can't properly prove it .....yet?). Anyways, before that Catholic priest was called, that possessed guy had been "exorcised" by Buddhist & Taoist priests but which the demons "returned" or more specifically reactivate. Hope we humans can vaporize them into non-existence or use them to power our "Matrix" for messing in our lives....
"Eyes in the sky."
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
November 23 2005 08:28 GMT
#73
Dan[SES], just a quick note on your terminology... dualism is total seperation of spiritual and physical realms. I never said I believe or support that.

Anyway... I think that the mere fact that humans can conceive of the notion of something empirically unverifiable, and even conceptualize (in a strictly non-physical sense) the actuality of such a thing, shows something to us. It's inconsistant with the rest of our nature; we can conceive of the notion of a different color than those we can perceive, but can we conceptualize it?

It's a rather interesting thought, I think (:
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
p0p
Profile Joined April 2004
74 Posts
November 23 2005 09:00 GMT
#74
So , what kinda proofs you guys had since your so sure about this ? :C
Chraej
Profile Joined October 2005
United States246 Posts
November 23 2005 09:18 GMT
#75
On November 22 2005 16:22 Terran)Timmay wrote:
Well, I think that exorcisms are real because the people who are "possessed" beleive they are real. There is nothing to create reality other than human perception, thus, if one beleives they are truely possessed, and they beleive only an exorcism will expell the demon, then its real enough for them, and thats all the really matters.



On November 23 2005 09:57 vGl-CoW wrote:
of course, I consider everything bullshit till it has been soundly and irrefutably proven and I think that's how everyone should evaluate data

sadly this is nowhere near the case



i dont understand you people who have this strange view of reality that it only includes what you can touch see and hear personally. It is very ignorant to think the world is as simple as that...and if thats not the case, what defines normal/reality in your eyes? None of you have ever been to outter space or seen it with yoru own two eyes, how do you know it exists? other planets? Even other countries, how do you know there are other continents in the world if you've never been to them, or seen the entire planet as a whole, proving to you that its not just one big landmass that the evil government has seperated into regions and made them into "countries" in our eyes.

you say give evidence to support/prove it? give me evidence to refute it!

...anyone up for a 1v1?
current state: padawan in search of a master
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 23 2005 09:40 GMT
#76
On November 23 2005 18:18 Chraej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2005 16:22 Terran)Timmay wrote:
Well, I think that exorcisms are real because the people who are "possessed" beleive they are real. There is nothing to create reality other than human perception, thus, if one beleives they are truely possessed, and they beleive only an exorcism will expell the demon, then its real enough for them, and thats all the really matters.



Show nested quote +
On November 23 2005 09:57 vGl-CoW wrote:
of course, I consider everything bullshit till it has been soundly and irrefutably proven and I think that's how everyone should evaluate data

sadly this is nowhere near the case



i dont understand you people who have this strange view of reality that it only includes what you can touch see and hear personally. It is very ignorant to think the world is as simple as that...and if thats not the case, what defines normal/reality in your eyes? None of you have ever been to outter space or seen it with yoru own two eyes, how do you know it exists? other planets? Even other countries, how do you know there are other continents in the world if you've never been to them, or seen the entire planet as a whole, proving to you that its not just one big landmass that the evil government has seperated into regions and made them into "countries" in our eyes.

you say give evidence to support/prove it? give me evidence to refute it!

...anyone up for a 1v1?

Because people have been sailing for the past 123819028390 years, maybe THAT'S why we know it's not one gigantic pizz a -_--------------

MAYBE all the hundreds of photos from space are a million times better than the evidence you've got working for your side -_-

Sure, if you want to argue for exocism etc, that's fine.. But comparing it to something so well documented as what you just compared it to is stupid!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Chraej
Profile Joined October 2005
United States246 Posts
November 23 2005 09:53 GMT
#77
and that movie is evidence of possession...so...if you research it, its well documented indeed. If all that is false, why couldnt your view of the earth be false...saying someone sailed the world and took photos doesnt prove anything if saying someone recorded, witnessed, and confessed to being possessed doesnt prove anything...logic?
current state: padawan in search of a master
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
November 23 2005 09:56 GMT
#78
Typical religious copout, "prove me wrong". Sorry pal, the burden of proof lays soley on the proclaimer. Can you prove that i havent read Revision 13 of the zoning and clearances book for washington state? No, you cant. If i claim that i have, then it is up to me to prove that i have.

Scientists do not require that they themselves have tangible proof of something, simply that someone does, and that person can show it if called upon. Then of course there is some faith in abstract theories like the big bang and so forth when it comes to things that have no direct proof in existence, yet have so many other backings to support them excluding you from hypocrisy.

Exorcism has absolutely nothing backing it up other than another person's opinion.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Fayth[pG]
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada1093 Posts
November 23 2005 09:57 GMT
#79
ok so everyone that think it's all bullshit and really stupid, try to get a ouija board, use it seriously, then u'll know. And i can guarantee you won't like it.
oOa
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-23 10:09:52
November 23 2005 10:08 GMT
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