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Exorcism - devil possession or mental illness?

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1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-22 06:14:37
November 22 2005 06:05 GMT
#1
We recently presented an article on the exorcisms being conducted in Russian Orthodox Churches across Russia. Our contact, Eugene Safronov, who is an assistant to an exorcist at many of these services, provided us with a harrowing audio recording he made at one exorcism.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/media/audio/russian_exorcism.wma

*warning - This recording may be disturbing to some listeners

Includes excerpts of actual exorcisms conducted by Russian priests. Eugene has acquired video from a Russian television news magazine segment about the church’s “battle with the demonic.” Eugene assisted in the production of the video segment, which appeared on the program Postscriptum with Alexey Pushkov, one of Russia's top weekly news programs.


(WARNING: May be disturbing to some viewers.)
http://paranormal.about.com/library/media/Russian_Exorcism_0001.wmv

Although some scenes of the exorcisms may be disturbing to some viewers, they are not as intense or incredible as other exorcisms that have taken place in the churches.

"On a scale of phenomena from 1 to 12," Eugene says, "the scenes in this video rank about a 6½ or 7." They do not show the full extent of what has happened in some cases, including physical changes in the victim and other more dramatic phenomena. In at least one case, Eugene says, the possessed person actually bent in two, head to toe – backwards!

I'm pretty sure this topic has been discussed before, but I saw the excorcism of Emily Rose few days ago which is based on true story and despite all the controversies I think the film is well made which is worth seeing it for just for the quality of the movie alone. I came across this article which I copied into a notepad which I lost the link to the actual site.

http://clk.about.com/?zi=1/XJ&sdn=paranormal&zu=http://www.fotofetch.com/
The real Emily Rose
1tym is one time for your mind
rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
November 22 2005 06:11 GMT
#2
*cue scary music*

Seriously though, I'm not sure if this stuff is real, but I don't reall want to find out. :X
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
November 22 2005 06:13 GMT
#3
I believe in stargate
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
November 22 2005 06:18 GMT
#4
She's Cute.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
November 22 2005 06:20 GMT
#5
roflcopters why did I find this funny. Great post 1tym, I'm gonna try that exorcism on a few friends of mine, they all get pissed off at me all the time ><. Could you find a picture of a person bent in two, head to toe backwards? that would be freaking sweet ;D
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-22 07:10:15
November 22 2005 07:09 GMT
#6
Anneliese Michel is not the only one who have died from exorcism over the years. I recall hearing about some priest who killed a woman by putting a plastic bag over her head and then leaving here dead on the floor of the church waiting for her to ressurect. I think they jailed him when the body started to smell.

I would not say that all people that claim to be possesed by a deamon ect ect are mentally ill but I sure hope that they go and see a doctor instead of a priest when it comes to curing the illness.

Oh and I dont belive in such things as exorcisms and such things. And I hope than noone does.

EDIT: Interesting topic however and nice links.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Terran)Timmay
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada38 Posts
November 22 2005 07:22 GMT
#7
Well, I think that exorcisms are real because the people who are "possessed" beleive they are real. There is nothing to create reality other than human perception, thus, if one beleives they are truely possessed, and they beleive only an exorcism will expell the demon, then its real enough for them, and thats all the really matters.
One can not see the light of the stars without the darkness behind them.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3992 Posts
November 22 2005 07:27 GMT
#8
I'm not sure about all this. demons and spirits may well exist...funny how these kind of things always seems to evade science (not that science is THE truth), and recordings of the supernatural are always bad quality. Either because it's all a load of crap, or because these things tend to evade being scientifically proven.
ReTr0[p.S]
Profile Joined March 2005
Argentina1590 Posts
November 22 2005 07:36 GMT
#9
On November 22 2005 15:13 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
I believe in stargate

poor, poor guy...
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 22 2005 07:39 GMT
#10
On November 22 2005 15:18 hatedbymany wrote:
She's Cute.


WAS cute. Unless your into that skeletal thing o_o
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
November 22 2005 07:40 GMT
#11
necropheliac?
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-22 07:42:09
November 22 2005 07:42 GMT
#12
On November 22 2005 16:22 Terran)Timmay wrote:
Well, I think that exorcisms are real because the people who are "possessed" beleive they are real. There is nothing to create reality other than human perception, thus, if one beleives they are truely possessed, and they beleive only an exorcism will expell the demon, then its real enough for them, and thats all the really matters.


thats not a bad way to look at it

if it works just because they believe it works.... it still works right haha
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wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 22 2005 07:52 GMT
#13
"On a scale of phenomena from 1 to 12," Eugene says, "the scenes in this video rank about a 6½ or 7."


on a scale of silliness from 1 to 12 this is a 10 or 11. 12 would be this.
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BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
November 22 2005 07:54 GMT
#14
exorcism is real whether you believe it or not. It doesnt need to be mathematically or scientifically proven for it to be real. Because it just exist, and demons do possess some individuals. Emily rose was possesed by not 1, but Five Demons. Cain, Lucipher, Judas, and 2 other guys. She tried to ride out the demons but they would not leave under any circumstances. Im Catholic/Christian so i do believe in exorcism.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-22 08:02:13
November 22 2005 07:59 GMT
#15
On November 22 2005 16:42 Locked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2005 16:22 Terran)Timmay wrote:
Well, I think that exorcisms are real because the people who are "possessed" beleive they are real. There is nothing to create reality other than human perception, thus, if one beleives they are truely possessed, and they beleive only an exorcism will expell the demon, then its real enough for them, and thats all the really matters.


thats not a bad way to look at it

if it works just because they believe it works.... it still works right haha
Yup, you should never underestimate the power of placebo. I guess it's quite similar to healing and other "supernatural" religious things.
I still dont think people should tamper with it and ignore real medicine expertice as in most of these cases.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
FreeCandy
Profile Joined November 2005
Mexico16 Posts
November 22 2005 08:03 GMT
#16
both , i guess XD
mina // mia go~~
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-22 08:09:56
November 22 2005 08:08 GMT
#17
On November 22 2005 16:52 wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
"On a scale of phenomena from 1 to 12," Eugene says, "the scenes in this video rank about a 6½ or 7."


on a scale of silliness from 1 to 12 this is a 10 or 11. 12 would be this.


"In Scientology doctrine, Xenu (also Xemu) is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause problems today."

ROFL
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 22 2005 08:09 GMT
#18
On November 22 2005 16:54 BrutalMenace wrote:
exorcism is real whether you believe it or not. It doesnt need to be mathematically or scientifically proven for it to be real. Because it just exist, and demons do possess some individuals. Emily rose was possesed by not 1, but Five Demons. Cain, Lucipher, Judas, and 2 other guys. She tried to ride out the demons but they would not leave under any circumstances. Im Catholic/Christian so i do believe in exorcism.


not a big surprise that you also defy the rules of logic

the truth is, that you're just to naive or lazy to make up your mind and think
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 22 2005 08:14 GMT
#19
this thread is going to be a cesspool for amazing logic i think!

religiousdude1: ghosts took me dog shelly to dem der hut.
randomnaysayer: hell no this is silly!
christian4lyfeJCluvr: Demons are mean, but there is hell so maybe!
athiest1: There is no god you fucking government drones! The bible is really a comic book from thousands of years ago!

I can see it comming now!

Ontopic: i find this stuff interesting. Im Catholic but i look at these things objectively and its kinda fascinating.
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 22 2005 08:19 GMT
#20
@control then why don't you give us the honor to hear an objective point of view? not enough space in your trolling post?
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