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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

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woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 20 2012 14:16 GMT
#921
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
April 20 2012 14:40 GMT
#922
Not really since a lot of us already knew that this happened to him. To believe that the police + medical personal is pretty damn crazy in it's own IMO. I guess this might make a difference though on some people who believe that trayvon was an angel though
syn0r
Profile Joined January 2011
64 Posts
April 20 2012 16:57 GMT
#923
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120420/US.Neighborhood.Watch/?cid=hero_media

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SANFORD, Fla. — George Zimmerman can be released on $150,000 bail as he awaits trial for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a judge ruled Friday during a hearing in which Zimmerman apologize to Martin's parents for the teenager's death.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set several conditions for Zimmerman's release, which he said would not occur Friday. He did not say exactly when Zimmerman could go free. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, also wants his client to be allowed to live in another state because of threats made against him, and wear a GPS monitor to track his whereabouts.

Wearing a charcoal suit, white shirt and gray tie — but also shackled and appearing to have on a bulletproof vest — Zimmerman took the witness stand to deliver a short statement to Martin's parents, who were in court.

"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said in his first public comments about the shooting.

The judge said he would hold another hearing on whether Zimmerman could go out of state if details could not be worked out with law enforcement.

Zimmerman cannot have any guns, drink alcohol or use illegal drugs and must observe a curfew between 7 p.m. and 6 a.m. Zimmerman surrendered his passport at the start of the hearing.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of the 17-year-old Martin. He claims self-defense and has said Martin was the aggressor in their confrontation at a gated community where Martin was staying. Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer at the community, where he also lived.

The lack of an arrest for 44 days spurred protests nationwide in which participants chanted and held signs that said, "Arrest Zimmerman Now!" Anger over a delay in Zimmerman's arrest led to the Sanford police chief stepping down temporarily and the recusal of the prosecutor who normally handles cases out of Sanford.

Earlier, Zimmerman's parents and wife testified by phone in the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center, saying he is not a flight risk nor a threat to the community. Zimmerman's family members were testifying by phone because they say they have been threatened.

"He is absolutely not a violent person," his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, testified.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman Sr., said that even when confronted his son was likely to "turn the other cheek." The father also described what he said were his son's injuries Feb. 27, the morning after Martin was shot and killed.

"His face was swollen quite a bit. He had a protective cover over his nose. His lip was swollen and cut. And there were two vertical gashes on the back of his head," the Robert Zimmerman testified.

Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son was "very protective" of vulnerable people such as the homeless and children. She described how he got involved in a mentoring program for children in Orlando, noting that both of the children he mentored were African-American like Martin.

Gladys Zimmerman said she was concerned about her son's safety in that program because he traveled twice a month to a dangerous neighborhood.

"He said, `Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" Gladys Zimmerman said.

Prosecutor Bernardo de la Rionda asked the family members about two incidents. In 2005, George Zimmerman had to take anger management courses after an undercover law enforcement officer accused him of attacking him as he tried to arrest Zimmerman's friend. In another incident, a girlfriend accused Zimmerman of attacking her. No charges were filed.

Zimmerman asked to meet with Trayvon Martin's parents before the hearing, but the family's lawyers said this was not the time.

"We believe (the) Zimmerman request is very self-serving, considering the timing of it 50 days later, right before his bond hearing," said Justin R. Campbell — an assistant to attorney Benjamin Crump — in an email Thursday.

Legal experts had earlier predicted Zimmerman would likely be granted bail. Key factors include his ties to the local community and that he doesn't appear to be a flight risk since he turned himself in voluntarily after he was charged last week. He also has never been convicted of a serious crime, which would indicate he doesn't pose a threat to society.

"Although it's not routine for people charged with murder to get bond, they do get bond, and I think there is an excellent argument to be made in his specific case for him to be released on bond," said defense attorney Randy McClean, who practices in Seminole County, about 15 miles northeast of Orlando.

Kim Cannaday, a spokeswoman for the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, said she couldn't comment on what security procedures would be in place for Zimmerman if he is released. The sheriff's office does have the ability to monitor defendants outside the county if a judge requests a GPS monitor be used as a condition of release.


Zimmerman's bail has been set to $150,000 and his attorney is requesting that the courts put him on GPS monitoring and allow him to leave to state, for his personal safety, until the trial.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
April 20 2012 17:01 GMT
#924
Now the only question is how he approached Trayvon. Prosecution needs to show that he AT LEAST approached him with the gun visible and in a threatening manner. If they can't do that, they don't have a case.
RetroAspect
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium219 Posts
April 20 2012 17:04 GMT
#925
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?
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Lord Zeya
Profile Joined February 2012
United States82 Posts
April 20 2012 17:16 GMT
#926
I feel like this entire case will be another Casey Anthony style hellfire of media coverage. In all honesty, whether or not Zimmerman is to blame, people will still consider him an evil person and he'll be shunned by society. Unfortunately that's what America is coming to these days: people form opinions before thinking about all the facts.

Personally, the problem here is Florida's Stand Your Ground law. Allowing people to carry weapons and actually use them without any concern about penalization is a bad thing, and it will lead to more cases like this.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 20 2012 17:16 GMT
#927
In a dramatic moment during the hearing, a detective, under questioning from O'Mara, admitted that it has no clear evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin first.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-tells-trayvon-martins-parents/story?id=16177849&page=2
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 18:38:25
April 20 2012 18:33 GMT
#928
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 20 2012 18:38 GMT
#929
On April 21 2012 02:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
In a dramatic moment during the hearing, a detective, under questioning from O'Mara, admitted that it has no clear evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin first.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-tells-trayvon-martins-parents/story?id=16177849&page=2


Well this has certainly turned into a trainwreck for the prosecution and the lynch mob. Zimmerman's either going to take a plea that has no jail time included or charges are gonna be dropped, no way the state's taking this to trial. If the prosecutor has a brain. Which, judging from the affidavit charging Zimmerman, the prosecutor may not.
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 20 2012 19:04 GMT
#930
Race-baiters with egg on their faces? Unheard of!

Where are our internet detectives from earlier who 'clearly' saw that it was just a feature of his skull from the grainy screenshots, that the enhanced images were made up (I have a degree in photoshop so I know what I'm talking about!) and that the police and medical investigators were all involved in some racist scheme to cover up for a hispanic dude?

I imagine this embarrassing debacle will be swept under the rug as quietly as possible.
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 19:13:35
April 20 2012 19:13 GMT
#931
On April 21 2012 03:52 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?

didn't change my mind, it was obvious since the beginning zimmerman did the right thing


No. Zimmerman would of done the right thing if he had just stayed in his car and let the actual authorities handle things. Following a stranger with a gun, when he is no threat to you, is never the right thing.

However, that photo does change things a lot, in my perspective. I was waiting for that. The gash on Zimmerman's head is severe -- severe enough. Having gravel cut through your scalp would give you all the reason to defend your life by any means necessary.

I was skeptical, and really think this photo should've been released a month ago, at least, to quell the public outrage. But better late than never.
Big water
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
April 20 2012 19:15 GMT
#932
I'm eagerly anticipating the retort from race-baiters such as Toure.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 19:23:13
April 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#933
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 19:25:31
April 20 2012 19:24 GMT
#934
On April 21 2012 04:21 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?


no evidence except for multiple eyewitness reports...

No. Zimmerman would of done the right thing if he had just stayed in his car and let the actual authorities handle things. Following a stranger with a gun, when he is no threat to you, is never the right thing.


that's just an opinion, nothing wrong with that, but there is no objective way to say what you said
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 20 2012 19:26 GMT
#935
On April 21 2012 04:21 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?

sigh. its like all my efforts on updating the op are futile. we have known from the beginning about these injuries. it was in the police report that surfaced at the beginning of this case, and was linked in both the original thread and in this thread.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 20 2012 19:29 GMT
#936
On April 21 2012 03:38 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 02:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
In a dramatic moment during the hearing, a detective, under questioning from O'Mara, admitted that it has no clear evidence that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin first.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-tells-trayvon-martins-parents/story?id=16177849&page=2


Well this has certainly turned into a trainwreck for the prosecution and the lynch mob. Zimmerman's either going to take a plea that has no jail time included or charges are gonna be dropped, no way the state's taking this to trial. If the prosecutor has a brain. Which, judging from the affidavit charging Zimmerman, the prosecutor may not.



Please correct me if I'm wrong,

But didn't Casey Anthony avoid conviction because the state prosecution charged her with a crime that they simply didn't have enough evidence to support -- while it would have been a slam dunk to convict her of a lesser charge?

Wasn't that in Florida, too?

I'm pretty sure the prosecution don't have enough to pin 2nd-degree murder on this guy. In an ironic way, it seems the bloodlust of the media and general public improved Zimmerman's chances of avoiding conviction.





Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
April 20 2012 19:29 GMT
#937
On April 21 2012 04:21 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?


Do you not consider eyewitnesses reports as evidence?
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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
April 20 2012 19:32 GMT
#938
On April 21 2012 04:24 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 04:21 Tyrant0 wrote:
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?


no evidence except for multiple eyewitness reports...

Show nested quote +
No. Zimmerman would of done the right thing if he had just stayed in his car and let the actual authorities handle things. Following a stranger with a gun, when he is no threat to you, is never the right thing.


that's just an opinion, nothing wrong with that, but there is no objective way to say what you said


No he's right. By disobeying the police officer Zimmerman was committing vigilantism. He may have been right in protecting himself, but that doesn't mean approaching Trayvon was the right thing to do.


On April 21 2012 02:01 Felnarion wrote:
Now the only question is how he approached Trayvon. Prosecution needs to show that he AT LEAST approached him with the gun visible and in a threatening manner. If they can't do that, they don't have a case.


They can't prove anything other than that he killed Trayvon. The only other evidence that have is the witness, who supports Zimmerman's story of self-defense.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 19:40:21
April 20 2012 19:38 GMT
#939
No he's right. By disobeying the police officer Zimmerman was committing vigilantism. He may have been right in protecting himself, but that doesn't mean approaching Trayvon was the right thing to do.


it was a 911 operator, not a police officer, and zimmerman was under absolutely no obligation to obey anything said to him.

the misinformation some people have about this case is stunning.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 20 2012 19:39 GMT
#940
On April 21 2012 04:32 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 04:24 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 21 2012 04:21 Tyrant0 wrote:
On April 21 2012 03:33 Half wrote:
On April 21 2012 02:04 RetroAspect wrote:
On April 20 2012 23:16 woody60707 wrote:
[image loading]

News photos of Zimmerman's head right after the attack. Does this change anyone's mind?


Not in the least. Why should it?


yeah, right! why would something so silly as "facts" change anyone's idealogy? Pretty misguided of you woody huh?


There wasnt even any evidence confirming zimmerman's story of an altercation until this picture surfaced. Until then it was one story and a dead kid. Funny how silly misguided facts can be, right?


no evidence except for multiple eyewitness reports...

No. Zimmerman would of done the right thing if he had just stayed in his car and let the actual authorities handle things. Following a stranger with a gun, when he is no threat to you, is never the right thing.


that's just an opinion, nothing wrong with that, but there is no objective way to say what you said


No he's right. By disobeying the police officer Zimmerman was committing vigilantism. He may have been right in protecting himself, but that doesn't mean approaching Trayvon was the right thing to do.


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 02:01 Felnarion wrote:
Now the only question is how he approached Trayvon. Prosecution needs to show that he AT LEAST approached him with the gun visible and in a threatening manner. If they can't do that, they don't have a case.


They can't prove anything other than that he killed Trayvon. The only other evidence that have is the witness, who supports Zimmerman's story of self-defense.

please inform yourself before you make posts. he wasn't told anything by a police officer; he was told something by a police dispatcher; and the police have already confirmed that was not an order he had to obey or follow.

you apparently do not understand what the word vigilantism means. vigilantes take the law into their own hands AND punish someone for a crime. acting as the neighborhood watch and confronting someone is not vigilantism since he intended that the police be the ones who arrested the person and inflict punishment.
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