EPTPoint is 25 years in prision will take more that 25 years off your life expectancy if you weren't in prision due to all the stressors.
Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 46
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
Point is 25 years in prision will take more that 25 years off your life expectancy if you weren't in prision due to all the stressors. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On April 13 2012 23:10 Fulla wrote: So in summary it's either 25+ years in prison or off with nothing, no in between? That seems somewhat ridiculous if true. | ||
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Trok67
France384 Posts
well I don't think it's ridiculous. Either he acted in self defense and he is innocent or he didnt and he is guilty. I don't see a "middle scenario", if they are not sure he should be released | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On April 13 2012 23:35 Felnarion wrote: Are affidavits always worded like this? I would've thought it would be worded more impartially, but I don't know. The affidavit is terrible and it's going to come back and bite the prosecutor. If Zimmerman's new lawyer mans up and strenuously defends his client, which may not be the case. He seems to be angling for a plea. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:46 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Poll: How long is this trial going to last? Or two? (18) A year (4) 22 total votes Your vote: How long is this trial going to last? Not convinced there will be a trial after the affidavit, a judge might just throw this out. Hard to see how there's enough evidence for a trial. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On April 13 2012 23:30 Trok67 wrote: well I don't think it's ridiculous. Either he acted in self defense and he is innocent or he didnt and he is guilty. I don't see a "middle scenario", if they are not sure he should be released His life is pretty much ruined regardless of the outcome: the media circus has turned him into "that white* guy who gunned down that hooded black kid". That's how the public percieves him. Whether or not it's true doesn't matter anymore. If it turns out he's not guilty, he's still going to have to leave the state/country and start a new life. *yes I know he's not white. | ||
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lwwkicker
United States140 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:34 myopia wrote: His life is pretty much ruined regardless of the outcome: the media circus has turned him into "that white* guy who gunned down that hooded black kid". That's how the public percieves him. Whether or not it's true doesn't matter anymore. If it turns out he's not guilty, he's still going to have to leave the state/country and start a new life. *yes I know he's not white. You really think that public is going to give a shit in, say... a couple years? Sure, his immediate neighborhood and whatnot might remember him for a while (and he will probably need to move), but honestly, no one else is going to give a shit 6 months after the trial and when all the media coverage is over. His life sucks right now, that is for sure, but there is going be zero need for him to leave the country unless this turns into some horrific court case that is a combination of Casey Anthony and OJ. People are all riled up now, but the public always forgets, always. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On April 13 2012 21:59 RCMDVA wrote: And on Manslaughter. I don't think he can plea to it. Because of the additional gun charge that I think is mandatory in Florida. Say he pleads to 6 months on manslaughter. He still is on the hook for an automatic 25 years on the gun charge. So in GZ's eyes.. there really is no difference between Manslaughter and Murder 2. Odds are decent he would die in prision either way. Now if there is a way he can plead without the gun charge...then that is an option. But what I read says the FL 10/20/Life law makes it mandatory. Felony conviction with a gun = 25 years. No option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-20-Life Prosecutors in Florida have the authority to waive a mandatory minimum. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:54 Mindcrime wrote: Prosecutors in Florida have the authority to waive a mandatory minimum. not only this ^^ Waiver of mandatory minimums Under Florida law, the prosecutor in a case is the only person eligible to waive any mandatory minimum. The only way a judge can issue a waiver is if he or she were to sentence the defendant as a youthful offender which would cap the maximum penalty at 6 years of any supervision whether it be prison or probation. One of the qualifications for a youthful offender sentence is that the defendant be no more than 20 years of age at the time of the sentence. but also, sentencing guidelines only go into effect if you are convicted. plea bargains arent the same as convictions. he could plead to a lesser felony (for example manslaughter) not including a gun charge. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On April 14 2012 03:46 dogabutila wrote: Why would he plea? He gets his name dragged through the mud, prosecutor has a weak ass case.... he has a defense fund set up.... There's no reason to. This guy wants his name cleared. You'd probably be surprised how often plea bargains put innocent people in prison. When you're under the gun like that, the whole world feels (and is) against you, and there's no one to turn to...sometimes people will admit guilt to get out of what seems like a sure 25 years in prison. Put yourself in his shoes. The whole world hates you, everyone, and even WE are convinced a fair trial will be difficult, imagine his feelings, when his freedom is on the line. From his perception, it's 25+ for a potential convinction vs a few years for a plea. In his shoes, the plea starts to look like a pretty good deal. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
The same way a lot of marines are released on recognizance or a relatively low bail even when charged with murder. They obviously have the ability to run around killing more people if they want to, and probably have a pretty good network with which to lay low and get out of the radar..... But they show up in court again and again because they are honestly convinced that the system works and will show that their actions are justified. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
So teachers who support Trayvon may be fired what do you think about that? Do you think its political or does those people just are slaves to the media? Or are they free to ask people to support trayvon if they want to and organise them? sorry wrong link at first :/ | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:30 Chilling5pr33 wrote: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/13/despite_praise_permission_detroit_schoolteacher_brooke So teachers who support Trayvon may be fired what do you think about that? Do you think its political or does those people just are slaves to the media? Or are they free to ask people to support trayvon if they want to and organise them? sorry wrong link at first :/ sounds like we have no idea why she was fired. the school won't comment because of privacy concerns. Superintendent Cassell told the Free Press that she was legally prohibited from discussing the reasons for Harris' termination, but said she has no problem with students expressing their opinions on the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was shot by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120411/brooke-harris-michigan-teacher-fired-trayvon-martin-fundraiser | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
Trayvon Martin shooting: Law gives gunman leverage George Zimmerman persuaded the police not to charge him for killing unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, but the prosecutor has accused him of murder. Soon, armed with unparalleled legal advantages, Zimmerman will get to ask a judge to find the killing was justified, and if that doesn't work, he'll get to make the same case to a jury. The wave of National Rifle Association-backed legislation that began seven years ago in Florida and continues to sweep the country has helped establish stand-your-ground laws. It has added second, third and even fourth chances for people who have used lethal force to avoid prosecution and conviction, extra opportunities that defendants accused of other crimes don't get. Since 2005, at least two dozen states have adopted laws similar to Florida's, which broadly eliminated a person's duty to retreat under threat of death or serious injury, as long as the person isn't committing a crime and is in a place where he or she has a right to be. While the states that have passed stand-your-ground laws continue to model them loosely after Florida's - Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire put expanded laws on the books last year - Florida is unique. One area that sets Florida apart is the next step Zimmerman faces: With the police and prosecutor having weighed in, a judge will decide whether to dismiss the second-degree murder charge based on the stand-your-ground law. If Zimmerman wins that stage, prosecutors can appeal. But in another aspect peculiar to Florida, if the appeals court sides with Zimmerman, not only will he be forever immune from facing criminal charges for shooting the 17-year-old Martin - even if new evidence or witnesses surface - he could not be sued for civil damages by Martin's family for wrongfully causing his death. Zimmerman, 28, is facing up to life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder for shooting Martin on Feb. 26. A neighborhood watch volunteer in the central Florida town of Sanford, he said he fired his 9mm handgun after Martin attacked and beat him. Martin's family and supporters say Zimmerman was the aggressor, singling out Martin for suspicion mainly because he was black. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother Hispanic. Numbers compiled by the FBI suggest many states, including Florida, saw modest or even sharp increases in the number of homicides by private citizens that were classified as justifiable after enacting a stand-your-ground law. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/14/MNDO1O3EF2.DTL | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On April 13 2012 23:35 Felnarion wrote: Are affidavits always worded like this? I would've thought it would be worded more impartially, but I don't know. Affidavits in support of probable cause for arrest are a completely one-sided story, with no opportunity for the defense to refute. I have heard in the media about the prosecution's obligation to present evidence that is beneficial to the defense, which is true, but I think that requirement comes later, in turning over evidence to the defense in discovery. I'm not aware of an obligation to put mitigating factors in this affidavit, but it's possible. After having read the affidavit, it may be enough to support the arrest, but I can certainly understand how experts are saying this won't get to trial. From listening to the recordings, it seems even the evidence in the affidavit isn't even accurate. For example, the affidavit said Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin at a time when the recording shows that Zimmerman has lost Martin and was no longer in pursuit. I'm not sure what the prosecutor had in mind with this. Maybe just to appease public sentiment, but I can't see a judge throwing it out being a satisfactory resolution for these race baiters in the media. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5Fg6quqCSq | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:14 DeepElemBlues wrote: New photo of Zimmerman allegedly taken ~three minutes after he shot Martin, presumably by the police or EMTs, has been obtained by ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5Fg6quqCSq Looks more like he scraped his head on the sidewalk a bit than having his head bashed into it. It's about what I expected he would have anyway, never trusted that grainy video. He was in a bareknuckle fight and has short hair, this sort of thing can happen pretty easily, being punched in the head, being tackled onto the sidewalk, head dragging on rock or sidwalk, etc. Regardless, the special prosecutor has had all the evidence more than the public, and she's already made her decision. Any pertinent medical records will come out during the process, those will say more than the photo will. we'll just have to see how everything pans out. | ||
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