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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
July 14 2013 05:30 GMT
#8781
On July 14 2013 14:28 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:23 Tewks44 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:18 ranshaked wrote:
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.


Video being referred to for those interested



How is it known that that video is fake ?


That's my question too. It seems to appear pretty legitimate to me. The only thing that seemed kind of off was the uploader saying he doesn't own the video and it was sent to him anonymously. Seems like a pretty unlikely scenario to me.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
July 14 2013 05:30 GMT
#8782
On July 14 2013 14:12 Gunther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:59 TheBigO wrote:
I just read an article from Slate.com that I think really epitomizes the feelings from this case.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.html

I know many people disagree with the verdict. I personally think it is weird how a person can get away with murder. But, due to Floridas' laws, Zimmerman acted within his legal boundaries during the altercation--even if he may have started it.

Overall, I think this case shows that Stand Your Ground may need to be changed or repealed in order to prevent atrocities like this from happening again.


Would it change your opinion if you were, at some point, educated to the fact that Stand Your Ground had not a fucking thing to do with this case ?

The funniest part was that everyone who was with the protest for "Justice for Trayvon" kept complaining about Stand Your Ground. It's like they just ignored and tuned out the entire case


"Didn't Trayvon have a right to stand his ground?" Yeah..I heard that one alot. The least informed have a tendency to be the most opinionated and the loudest.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
July 14 2013 05:31 GMT
#8783
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 14 2013 05:32 GMT
#8784
On July 14 2013 14:29 ranshaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:28 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:23 Tewks44 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:18 ranshaked wrote:
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.


Video being referred to for those interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tBtSN7-zoj0


How is it known that that video is fake ?
There aren't any mountains in Miami lol

It's Vancouver, and from the riots there not to long ago. It's at the corner of Seymour, and Georgia.
Aint got time to bleed
TheBigO
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States97 Posts
July 14 2013 05:34 GMT
#8785
On July 14 2013 14:13 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:07 TheBigO wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:59 TheBigO wrote:
I just read an article from Slate.com that I think really epitomizes the feelings from this case.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.html

I know many people disagree with the verdict. I personally think it is weird how a person can get away with murder. But, due to Floridas' laws, Zimmerman acted within his legal boundaries during the altercation--even if he may have started it.

Overall, I think this case shows that Stand Your Ground may need to be changed or repealed in order to prevent atrocities like this from happening again.


Would it change your opinion if you were, at some point, educated to the fact that Stand Your Ground had not a fucking thing to do with this case ?


Can I ask you to elaborate and provide a source? Because I do believe that Zimmerman was acquitted because he acted in self-defense in accordance to Stand Your Ground. I also believe that the law should be modified in order to prevent possible abuses of Stand Your Ground such as potentially provoking an altercation and then killing the other individual in "self-defense."

its in the op.

http://www.volokh.com/2012/03/27/floridas-self-defense-laws/



All right. I stand corrected. I followed the case, but not closely until the trial started. As the article you linked me indicated, the media was inaccurate when the incident first occurred, which is where my incorrect judgement came from. Thanks for the source.
I really need a better quote... but I have no ideas :( .
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 14 2013 05:34 GMT
#8786
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 14 2013 05:35 GMT
#8787
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.

It has one goal yes, but that is to sell as much advertising as possible, by getting people to watch as much as possible
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 05:36 GMT
#8788
On July 14 2013 14:34 TheBigO wrote:
All right. I stand corrected. I followed the case, but not closely until the trial started. As the article you linked me indicated, the media was inaccurate when the incident first occurred, which is where my incorrect judgement came from. Thanks for the source.


Don't give in so easily. Stand your ground, man.

Anyways, Chicago just had a moment of silence for Trayvon Martin and people were actually giggling ...
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
July 14 2013 05:38 GMT
#8789
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.


I would think their goal is to make money by attracting viewers. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say their goal is to keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues. Is this some kind of allusion to some sort of conspiracy theory?
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 14 2013 05:39 GMT
#8790
On July 14 2013 11:46 dotHead wrote:
I'm waiting on the NRA to make a statement saying, "If Treyvon Martin would have had a gun that night, he would be alive today".


If Zimmerman did not have a gun that night, he would have sustained heavy, possibly permanent, injuries.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
July 14 2013 05:39 GMT
#8791
On July 14 2013 14:35 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.

It has one goal yes, but that is to sell as much advertising as possible, by getting people to watch as much as possible


I agree. I was discussing this earlier and the sentiment of the Media just pushing whatever makes more money was shared by everyone.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
Deflective
Profile Joined April 2011
United States12 Posts
July 14 2013 05:41 GMT
#8792
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.



While I don't think this case was racially charged, it's pretty shitty to suggest institutional racism doesn't exist.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
July 14 2013 05:42 GMT
#8793
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.


That's a bit conspiracy theory-ish. The media's goal is ratings, and things like race wars make for good ratings. Actual issues are complex, difficult to understand, and usually unconnected from people's day-to-day lives, therefore they don't garner high ratings. As a result, the media panders to the lowest common denominator of easy-to-digest, inflammatory stories that appeal to the largest numbers of people. If some people get hurt along the way because the news is fanning the flames, that's just business as usual for them.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
July 14 2013 05:42 GMT
#8794
On July 14 2013 14:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 11:46 dotHead wrote:
I'm waiting on the NRA to make a statement saying, "If Treyvon Martin would have had a gun that night, he would be alive today".


If Zimmerman did not have a gun that night, he would have sustained heavy, possibly permanent, injuries.


If Zimmerman did not have a gun that night, he would have listened to the police dispatch and not go 'supercop' by himself.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 14 2013 05:42 GMT
#8795
On July 14 2013 14:06 SKC wrote:
In the midst of all those insane celebrity twits, Donald Trump showing some common sense.

Show nested quote +
@realDonaldTrump
Zimmerman is no angel but the lack of evidence and the concept of self-defense, especially in Florida law, gave the jury little other choice

I was pleasantly surprised by that. When I saw that, I kinda remembered that he isn't just a celebrity, but also a high profile businessman and a highly educated individual.

On July 14 2013 14:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
NBC is probably already on a conference call with their attorneys as the moment the juror said not guilty they knew they were screwed.

I bet they were. There are about to be a barrage of suits from Zimmerman claiming libel. Also didn't President Obama and Eric Holder just issue some suit against Zimmerman for "violating Trayvonn's rights." What the fuck? Doesn't that violate Zimmerman's right to double jeopardy too? Why is Obama attempting to profit by playing towards the public opinion when he is grossly out of his bounds?
User was warned for too many mimes.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
July 14 2013 05:44 GMT
#8796
On July 14 2013 14:38 Tewks44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:31 jcroisdale wrote:
I know this has probably been brought up before in the last 438 pages, but why does this have to be a "race war"?

Trayvon parents said this has nothing to do with race, but that's all the media perpetrates is some kind of Rodney King 2.0

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against racism are the same people bringing it up in every conversation.

We also call Zimmerman a White male, while Obama is black male. Yet they both have one white parent.

God i Hate the media sometimes.


The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.


I would think their goal is to make money by attracting viewers. And I'm not sure what you mean when you say their goal is to keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues. Is this some kind of allusion to some sort of conspiracy theory?


I don't think he means conspiracy but what is shown on American news channels is never ever the most News worthy issues. According to data collected by the FBI, Thirty-six people were murdered on average each day in 2010. The data also shows that this number increases over time. So why aren't we talking about the other 8k~ people who ever already been murdered this year?
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 14 2013 05:45 GMT
#8797
On July 14 2013 14:42 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The American Media has one goal and one goal only, too keep Americans preoccupied from actual issues.


That's a bit conspiracy theory-ish. The media's goal is ratings, and things like race wars make for good ratings. Actual issues are complex, difficult to understand, and usually unconnected from people's day-to-day lives, therefore they don't garner high ratings. As a result, the media panders to the lowest common denominator of easy-to-digest, inflammatory stories that appeal to the largest numbers of people. If some people get hurt along the way because the news is fanning the flames, that's just business as usual for them.


So you agree.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 05:46:57
July 14 2013 05:45 GMT
#8798
On July 14 2013 14:42 docvoc wrote:
Also didn't President Obama and Eric Holder just issue some suit against Zimmerman for "violating Trayvonn's rights." What the fuck? Doesn't that violate Zimmerman's right to double jeopardy too?


I don't know what Obama/Holder have done, but the federal government has separate sovereignty from the state so there are no double jeopardy issues.

StealthBlue you make it sound like they have some nefarious hidden agenda though.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 05:48 GMT
#8799
On July 14 2013 14:45 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:42 docvoc wrote:
Also didn't President Obama and Eric Holder just issue some suit against Zimmerman for "violating Trayvonn's rights." What the fuck? Doesn't that violate Zimmerman's right to double jeopardy too?


I don't know what Obama/Holder have done, but the federal government has separate sovereignty from the state so there are no double jeopardy issues.

StealthBlue you make it sound like they have some nefarious hidden agenda though.

im pretty sure the NAACP has just asked for them to take steps, and not that they have actually taken steps. for them to step into florida's sovereign nature like that would be amazing.
Beachman
Profile Joined September 2011
United States17 Posts
July 14 2013 05:48 GMT
#8800
On July 14 2013 14:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 11:46 dotHead wrote:
I'm waiting on the NRA to make a statement saying, "If Treyvon Martin would have had a gun that night, he would be alive today".


If Zimmerman did not have a gun that night, he would have sustained heavy, possibly permanent, injuries.


If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle that night, none of this would have happened and both of them would be living their lives to the fullest.
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