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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:48 Beachman wrote: If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle that night, none of this would have happened and both of them would be living their lives to the fullest. if trayvon had not gone to 7 eleven for skittles and tea, he would still be alive today. lets make sure we cover all legal actions and irrelevant facts. | ||
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
I'm just sad that all the celebrities and white football players missed their chance to say something stupid on Twitter about this case.. (TL;DR - Black man in Rochester, NY shoots and kills white teenager who was trying to break into a neighbor's car, instead of waiting on the cops to get to the scene. He also was acquitted of manslaughter due to self-defense.) | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:48 Beachman wrote: If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle that night, none of this would have happened and both of them would be living their lives to the fullest. If Trayvon hadn't gotten suspen.... Aw, fuck it. It's a never ending cycle. Let's break the cycle and stop. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:42 ShadowDrgn wrote: That's a bit conspiracy theory-ish. The media's goal is ratings, and things like race wars make for good ratings. Actual issues are complex, difficult to understand, and usually unconnected from people's day-to-day lives, therefore they don't garner high ratings. As a result, the media panders to the lowest common denominator of easy-to-digest, inflammatory stories that appeal to the largest numbers of people. If some people get hurt along the way because the news is fanning the flames, that's just business as usual for them. To be honest, StealthBlue was pretty on point. The relevant discussion was the responsible use of firearms, but due to the recent school shooting, the public grew "tired" of hearing about that discussion. So to keep people watching, the media effectively obscured a more relevant discussion with a completely pointless race angle. Instead of having another discussion on public policy, we get something pretty worthless. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:50 Judicator wrote: To be honest, StealthBlue was pretty on point. The relevant discussion was the responsible use of firearms, but due to the recent school shooting, the public grew "tired" of hearing about that discussion. So to keep people watching, the media effectively obscured a more relevant discussion with a completely pointless race angle. Instead of having another discussion on public policy, we get something pretty worthless. The problem is you're confusing a consequence as a goal. The media's goal is to keep viewers tuned in and draw new viewers in. To do this they make flashy headlines, and in some cases resort on some less than ethical reporting, and they also tend to jump from story to story, which prevents people from being fully educated on an issue. However, keeping people distracted from "real issues" is a consequence of their goal, not a goal in itself. | ||
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Beachman
United States17 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:49 dAPhREAk wrote: if trayvon had not gone to 7 eleven for skittles and tea, he would still be alive today. lets make sure we cover all legal actions and irrelevant facts. Irrelevant facts? The guy that Zimmerman was talking to on the non-emergency line told Zimmerman that they didn't need him following Martin, but to wait for police officers. That is not irrelevant. | ||
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Gunther
Germany139 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:54 Beachman wrote: Irrelevant facts? The guy that Zimmerman was talking to on the non-emergency line told Zimmerman that they didn't need him following Martin, but to wait for police officers. That is not irrelevant. Actually it's quite irrelevant because they have no legal authority. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:49 AimForTheBushes wrote: A really interesting, and eerily similar, situation from a few years ago. I'm just sad that all the celebrities and white football players missed their chance to say something stupid on Twitter about this case.. (TL;DR - Black man in Rochester, NY shoots and kills white teenager who was trying to break into a neighbor's car, instead of waiting on the cops to get to the scene. He also was acquitted of manslaughter due to self-defense.) Wow, that's quite a read. I found the following peculiar: Scott says he shot Cervini twice when the victim charged toward him yelling he was going to get Scott. "How can this happen to a beautiful, sweet child like that?” asked Cervini’s aunt Carol Cervini. “All he wanted to do was go home. And then for them to say, he was saying, 'Please don't kill me. I'm just a kid,' and he just kept on shooting him." Not sure I believe the victim charged the armed gunman, nor do I believe anyone said "Please don't kill me, I'm just a kid.", but whatever. Comedic reversal of what happened here. Not exactly national news. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:54 Beachman wrote: Irrelevant facts? The guy that Zimmerman was talking to on the non-emergency line told Zimmerman that they didn't need him following Martin, but to wait for police officers. That is not irrelevant. Legally, everything leading up to the first physical contact between Trayvon and Zimmerman is irrelevant, due to self-defense. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:49 AimForTheBushes wrote: A really interesting, and eerily similar, situation from a few years ago. I'm just sad that all the celebrities and white football players missed their chance to say something stupid on Twitter about this case.. (TL;DR - Black man in Rochester, NY shoots and kills white teenager who was trying to break into a neighbor's car, instead of waiting on the cops to get to the scene. He also was acquitted of manslaughter due to self-defense.) You're actually comparing Trayvon who was walking home to a kid who was actually breaking into a vehicle. Maybe you just assumed Trayvon was breaking into a home - he wasn't. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:54 Beachman wrote: Irrelevant facts? The guy that Zimmerman was talking to on the non-emergency line told Zimmerman that they didn't need him following Martin, but to wait for police officers. That is not irrelevant. him getting out of the car didnt cause trayvon's death. irrelevant fact. | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:58 Iceman331 wrote: I haven't really been following the trial, but I am really, really disturbed by all the vitriol being thrown at Zimmerman right now. The man was acquitted, why does the general public refuse to believe he was actually innocent? Disturbing to say the least... most people made up their mind before the trial so the trial doesnt matter much. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:58 Iceman331 wrote: I haven't really been following the trial, but I am really, really disturbed by all the vitriol being thrown at Zimmerman right now. The man was acquitted, why does the general public refuse to believe he was actually innocent? Disturbing to say the least... The general public is a bunch of retarded sheep. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:48 Beachman wrote: If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle that night, none of this would have happened and both of them would be living their lives to the fullest. Yes but according to him, Martin was "suspicious". There are ample of evidence which supports this. He felt obligated, as a volunteer watchman, to do something. I am not sure what exactly he did, it could have been a "hey what are you doing here?". There is nothing wrong with that. | ||
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sWs
United States409 Posts
On July 14 2013 15:00 Kaitlin wrote: The general public is a bunch of retarded sheep. So is the majority of tl. So is the majority of everything. The media doesn't help. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 14 2013 15:00 dAPhREAk wrote: most people made up their mind before the trial so the trial doesnt matter much. Yup unfortunately this is true. From all the evidence he seemed innocent to me, I am glad the jury wasn't biased about it that's for sure (I know their not supposed to in general, but you never know). | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:58 Iceman331 wrote: I haven't really been following the trial, but I am really, really disturbed by all the vitriol being thrown at Zimmerman right now. The man was acquitted, why does the general public refuse to believe he was actually innocent? Disturbing to say the least... OJ was acquitted as well, people feel that sometimes the judicial system fucks up. While i don't really care that he was found innocent (from all i heard about the law of "stand your ground" he was) I just think the whole stand your ground law is weird | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:50 Judicator wrote: To be honest, StealthBlue was pretty on point. The relevant discussion was the responsible use of firearms, but due to the recent school shooting, the public grew "tired" of hearing about that discussion. So to keep people watching, the media effectively obscured a more relevant discussion with a completely pointless race angle. Instead of having another discussion on public policy, we get something pretty worthless. this is a discussion on public policy AND race(specifically racial profiling). Race is definitely a part of this case in terms of the national discussion. Even though Zimmerman is not a racist, he had no reason to follow an innocent black kid, and no reason to assume that this black guy was THAT black guy(common racist fallacy that many americans fall victim to). Every black person in the country has connected w/ this case b/c of their own experiences w/ racial profiling. And now that it has this has gone on the national stage and the killer is set free, they feel disconnected w/ the American justice system, even though Zimmerman was rightfully acquitted. And racial profiling does still exist in this country(see the LAPD as perfect example). | ||
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