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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 14 2013 05:07 GMT
#8761
On July 14 2013 14:02 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:59 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:49 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
According to O'Mara's press conference, he said the investigation was quite diligent compared to other cases. Unless there were multiple investigations. I only followed this case starting with the trial but was there a lead investigator before Chris Serino?


Serino was the investigator starting the moment Zimmerman walked into the Police Station, the night of the incident. He interviewed him, conducted the walk through the next day, everything.

From what I understand, the case was dropped initially because they just couldn't find anything to really pin Zimmerman on. The media picked it up and turned it into a race war. At least that's how this thread has made it seem, which is corroborated by what I've seen in the news... ahem... Nancy Grace... ahem.

All these people who never followed the news, but put out there statements on twitter need a reality check.


She was the same way after the Casey Anthony trial. Had a bunch of angry mothers irrationaly shouting their heads off and she was spreading all this stuff about the "baby killer" that they frankly never proved in court. I've never trusted media, for precisely these reasons.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 05:08 GMT
#8762
On July 14 2013 13:39 JumboJohnson wrote:
I don't see how it can be self defense if you started it.

Edit: but Florida's self defense law is bizarre to me.

you mean everywhere's self defense law is bizarre to you. this isnt unique to florida. stand your ground law doesnt apply.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 14 2013 05:08 GMT
#8763
On July 14 2013 14:06 SKC wrote:
In the midst of all those insane celebrity twits, Donald Trump showing some common sense.

Show nested quote +
@realDonaldTrump
Zimmerman is no angel but the lack of evidence and the concept of self-defense, especially in Florida law, gave the jury little other choice

Or maybe because Donald Trump is a fellow racist like Zimmerman?
+ Show Spoiler +
sarcasm if you didn't catch it.
liftlift > tsm
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
July 14 2013 05:10 GMT
#8764
On July 14 2013 14:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:35 KonekoTyriin wrote:
The verdict may be in accordance with the law, but if so then I disagree quite strongly with the law. From what I understand of the case:

Zimmerman shot Martin with a gun. Because there was no prior intent (probably) and it was in self defense (almost certainly), it's reasonable that he did not intend to kill Martin. This sounds like an open and shut manslaughter conviction- though if testimony had uncovered intent, it could have been murder.

You can get convicted of manslaughter for building a house incautiously if it results in the house falling and killing someone inside. No matter how little you wanted that person to die or how indirectly your actions led to their death, if you kill someone, you at LEAST get manslaughter.

I don't understand how Zimmerman could possibly walk completely free from this. It does not seem consistent with justice as I understand it.

if you assume its not self defense then of course you cant understand it. the jury found it was self defense.

I don't understand how he says "was in self defense (almost certainly)" then goes onto imply that it wasn't self defense :s.
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
July 14 2013 05:11 GMT
#8765
dAPhREAk, thank you for a brilliantly well-maintained thread that served as a vehicle of discussion for such an important topic. Major feels for having to read every single post in here, I'm surprised your brain hasn't melted honestly.
My wife for hire! - Zealot
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 05:14:48
July 14 2013 05:12 GMT
#8766
On July 14 2013 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:06 SKC wrote:
In the midst of all those insane celebrity twits, Donald Trump showing some common sense.

@realDonaldTrump
Zimmerman is no angel but the lack of evidence and the concept of self-defense, especially in Florida law, gave the jury little other choice

Or maybe because Donald Trump is a fellow racist like Zimmerman?
+ Show Spoiler +
sarcasm if you didn't catch it.


Without the spoiler tag that's not really how you do sarcasm on the internet We can't see your face or tone, this could have been taken at face value without a hint (other than checking your position from previous post). Another poster was banned at one point for a probable sarcastic comment.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Gunther
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany139 Posts
July 14 2013 05:12 GMT
#8767
On July 14 2013 14:00 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:59 TheBigO wrote:
I just read an article from Slate.com that I think really epitomizes the feelings from this case.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.html

I know many people disagree with the verdict. I personally think it is weird how a person can get away with murder. But, due to Floridas' laws, Zimmerman acted within his legal boundaries during the altercation--even if he may have started it.

Overall, I think this case shows that Stand Your Ground may need to be changed or repealed in order to prevent atrocities like this from happening again.


Would it change your opinion if you were, at some point, educated to the fact that Stand Your Ground had not a fucking thing to do with this case ?

The funniest part was that everyone who was with the protest for "Justice for Trayvon" kept complaining about Stand Your Ground. It's like they just ignored and tuned out the entire case
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 05:13 GMT
#8768
On July 14 2013 14:07 TheBigO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:59 TheBigO wrote:
I just read an article from Slate.com that I think really epitomizes the feelings from this case.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.html

I know many people disagree with the verdict. I personally think it is weird how a person can get away with murder. But, due to Floridas' laws, Zimmerman acted within his legal boundaries during the altercation--even if he may have started it.

Overall, I think this case shows that Stand Your Ground may need to be changed or repealed in order to prevent atrocities like this from happening again.


Would it change your opinion if you were, at some point, educated to the fact that Stand Your Ground had not a fucking thing to do with this case ?


Can I ask you to elaborate and provide a source? Because I do believe that Zimmerman was acquitted because he acted in self-defense in accordance to Stand Your Ground. I also believe that the law should be modified in order to prevent possible abuses of Stand Your Ground such as potentially provoking an altercation and then killing the other individual in "self-defense."

its in the op.

http://www.volokh.com/2012/03/27/floridas-self-defense-laws/
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 05:14 GMT
#8769
On July 14 2013 14:04 Mayhemia- wrote:
If there was profiling, it probably has more to do with the clothing and overall looks of Trayvon Martin than his skin color. Just a thought.


I happen to think it had to do with Trayvon matching the description of the suspects in the burglaries that had been reported in the neighborhood.

I would really love for someone to define "profiling" because I see it thrown around EVERYWHERE. Incidentally, I see a BIG difference between thinking someone is suspicious because they match a description of specific wanted perpetrators of crime in the immediate area as opposed to hearing news stories across the country that black people commit crime and therefore thinking the next black guy you see is suspicious. I would agree that the latter would be profiling, but definitely not the former.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 14 2013 05:14 GMT
#8770
On July 14 2013 14:07 TheBigO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 13:59 TheBigO wrote:
I just read an article from Slate.com that I think really epitomizes the feelings from this case.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.html

I know many people disagree with the verdict. I personally think it is weird how a person can get away with murder. But, due to Floridas' laws, Zimmerman acted within his legal boundaries during the altercation--even if he may have started it.

Overall, I think this case shows that Stand Your Ground may need to be changed or repealed in order to prevent atrocities like this from happening again.


Would it change your opinion if you were, at some point, educated to the fact that Stand Your Ground had not a fucking thing to do with this case ?


Can I ask you to elaborate and provide a source? Because I do believe that Zimmerman was acquitted because he acted in self-defense in accordance to Stand Your Ground. I also believe that the law should be modified in order to prevent possible abuses of Stand Your Ground such as potentially provoking an altercation and then killing the other individual in "self-defense."

Stand your ground defense was waived way back. Just google "zimmerman stand your ground waived."
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 05:14 GMT
#8771
On July 14 2013 14:11 HystericaLaughter wrote:
dAPhREAk, thank you for a brilliantly well-maintained thread that served as a vehicle of discussion for such an important topic. Major feels for having to read every single post in here, I'm surprised your brain hasn't melted honestly.

you're welcome.
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
July 14 2013 05:18 GMT
#8772
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
July 14 2013 05:23 GMT
#8773
On July 14 2013 14:18 ranshaked wrote:
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.


Video being referred to for those interested

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dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 14 2013 05:25 GMT
#8774
Anyone know anything about this statute? People are saying Zimmerman is already immune to civil suits because of it.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html
Aint got time to bleed
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 05:27 GMT
#8775
On July 14 2013 14:25 dotHead wrote:
Anyone know anything about this statute? People are saying Zimmerman is already immune to civil suits because of it.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html

that is correct.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 05:27 GMT
#8776
On July 14 2013 14:25 dotHead wrote:
Anyone know anything about this statute? People are saying Zimmerman is already immune to civil suits because of it.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html


I know O'Mara was pretty confident in his post-verdict press conference that civil trials would end abruptly. That might be the basis for his confidence.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 05:29:36
July 14 2013 05:28 GMT
#8777
Heard the news on TV several hours ago. I was honestly surprised, mostly because I figured that he wouldn't get 2nd degree but the jurors might consider that someone lost his life thus Zimmerman needs some punishment and would go with manslaughter. I have to say that I'm still rather sad that Trayvon lost his life and when I consider it from that perspective, it disappoints me that Zimmerman is walking free with no punishment however since they went to court and he was found not guilty, that that's the way it should be. Wonder if we'll see riots over the next couple of days.

PS those tweets from celebrities are really sad, same with the people that don't know much about the case and still repeat the same stuff over and over(stalked, stand your ground law, etc...)

I do want to thank dAPhREAk for maintaing such a good thread. My #1 source for information and to keep up to date and thanks to everyone else for the good discussion. I feel like I've learned a lot about this case
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 05:28 GMT
#8778
On July 14 2013 14:23 Tewks44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:18 ranshaked wrote:
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.


Video being referred to for those interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tBtSN7-zoj0


How is it known that that video is fake ?
logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
July 14 2013 05:28 GMT
#8779
Wow congrats MR. Zimmerman! I dont see how the jury could possibly find him guilty with beyond reasonabledoubt. Well done jury well done!
함은정,류화영,남규리
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
July 14 2013 05:29 GMT
#8780
On July 14 2013 14:28 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:23 Tewks44 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:18 ranshaked wrote:
Ustream of the protest happening in Chicago

The Miami riot video is FAKE.


Video being referred to for those interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tBtSN7-zoj0


How is it known that that video is fake ?
There aren't any mountains in Miami lol
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