Edit: but Florida's self defense law is bizarre to me.
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JumboJohnson
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Edit: but Florida's self defense law is bizarre to me. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:35 KonekoTyriin wrote: The verdict may be in accordance with the law, but if so then I disagree quite strongly with the law. From what I understand of the case: Zimmerman shot Martin with a gun. Because there was no prior intent (probably) and it was in self defense (almost certainly), it's reasonable that he did not intend to kill Martin. This sounds like an open and shut manslaughter conviction- though if testimony had uncovered intent, it could have been murder. You can get convicted of manslaughter for building a house incautiously if it results in the house falling and killing someone inside. No matter how little you wanted that person to die or how indirectly your actions led to their death, if you kill someone, you at LEAST get manslaughter. I don't understand how Zimmerman could possibly walk completely free from this. It does not seem consistent with justice as I understand it. You missed the part where Trayvon was pummeling Zimmerman. | ||
SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:37 Kaitlin wrote: Since you have an opinion, I assume it is based on something. So, I ask you. What evidence are you aware of that was used in this prosecution that the police failed to investigate "initially" ? All witnesses at the scene were interviewed. The autopsy, forensics, etc were all done "initially". What evidence was subsequently obtained that should be the basis for your "real outcry". The fact that Trayvon Martin was unarmed; but still no charges were brought up was quite shocking to me. Though there is little doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is indeed innocent of the charges and it was most likely self defense; I find it highly questionable that there they would just take Zimmermans initial answers to questioning at face value. | ||
Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:39 JumboJohnson wrote: I don't see how it can be self defense if you started it. Edit: but Florida's self defense law is bizarre to me. Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with it. Martin used lethal force first, meaning Zimmerman had the right to defend himself. That's the case practically everywhere one Earth. | ||
ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:34 TmixX wrote: Roddy White@roddywhiteTV Follow All them jurors should go home tonight and kill themselves for letting a grown man get away with killing a kid yikes. what a piece of trash I'm a huge Falcons fan and love Roddy White's playing ability, but the guy isn't the brightest person on the team. It's kind of embarrassing whenever he opens his mouth. I'm more shocked by Wil Wheaton's response. I thought he at least had some brain cells or at least tact. | ||
Robotix
United States51 Posts
*Warning - offensive language* + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FuckYouGeorgeZimmermanDieInAFire | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:39 JumboJohnson wrote: I don't see how it can be self defense if you started it. Edit: but Florida's self defense law is bizarre to me. You can start yelling at someone; and getting in a verbal argument, without getting into a physical fight. You can start insulting someone; but if they start pummeling you; their at fault, not you. | ||
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:41 wei2coolman wrote: The fact that Trayvon Martin was unarmed; but still no charges were brought up was quite shocking to me. Though there is little doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is indeed innocent of the charges and it was most likely self defense; I find it highly questionable that there they would just take Zimmermans initial answers to questioning at face value. They didn't just take Zimmerman's initial answers at face value. He had multiple injuries that were consistent with his story, they interviewed witnesses to corroborate his story, and they even tried pulling some tricks like saying they had a copy of the event on a security tape so they could gauge his reaction to see if his reaction was consistent with his story. | ||
Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
Mind boggling how hard so many have tried so hard to make this race related. | ||
Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:41 wei2coolman wrote: The fact that Trayvon Martin was unarmed; but still no charges were brought up was quite shocking to me. Though there is little doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is indeed innocent of the charges and it was most likely self defense; I find it highly questionable that there they would just take Zimmermans initial answers to questioning at face value. They didn't take just Zimmerman's answers. They took the autopsy, witness accounts, Zimmerman's injuries, and Zimmerman's 311 call before they decided to not pursue a criminal case. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:41 wei2coolman wrote: The fact that Trayvon Martin was unarmed; but still no charges were brought up was quite shocking to me. Though there is little doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is indeed innocent of the charges and it was most likely self defense; I find it highly questionable that there they would just take Zimmermans initial answers to questioning at face value. He was beaten up; Trayvon, aside from the gunshot wound and small abrasions on his fists, was completely unharmed. No eyewitnesses said anything really contrary to Zimmerman's versions of events. His 3 interviews at the station (the final one video-taped) seemed coherent and credible. The lead investigator (who testified on the stand that he believed George's version of events) suggested a manslaughter charge but the local DA thought it was a stretch and nothing happened. | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:43 Tewks44 wrote: They didn't just take Zimmerman's initial answers at face value. He had multiple injuries that were consistent with his story, they interviewed witnesses to corroborate his story, and they even tried pulling some tricks like saying they had a copy of the event on a security tape so they could gauge his reaction to see if his reaction was consistent with his story. The fact that it was "solved' in 5 hours after he was brought in to the police station seems a bit awry. On July 14 2013 13:45 FatChicksUnited wrote: He was beaten up; Trayvon, aside from the gunshot wound and small abrasions on his fists, was completely unharmed. No eyewitnesses said anything really contrary to Zimmerman's versions of events. His 3 interviews at the station (the final one video-taped) seemed coherent and credible. The lead investigator (who testified on the stand that he believed George's version of events) suggested a manslaughter charge but the local DA thought it was a stretch and nothing happened. That's what I would've put it up to; manslaughter. It would have been much easier to prove it than 2nd degree murder. | ||
NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:42 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'm a huge Falcons fan and love Roddy White's playing ability, but the guy isn't the brightest person on the team. It's kind of embarrassing whenever he opens his mouth. I'm more shocked by Wil Wheaton's response. I thought he at least had some brain cells or at least tact. yeah Wil Wheaton's response really shocked me as well. Seemed very uncharacteristic of him. | ||
kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:34 TmixX wrote: Roddy White@roddywhiteTV Follow All them jurors should go home tonight and kill themselves for letting a grown man get away with killing a kid yikes. what a piece of trash I suspect that's going to be the shitstorm on the radio here in Atlanta on Monday. That was a really dumb thing to say. | ||
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:47 ey215 wrote: I suspect that's going to be the shitstorm on the radio here in Atlanta on Monday. That was a really dumb thing to say. What was said? (by Wil Wheaton) | ||
SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:31 wei2coolman wrote: I think the real outcry should have just been on how little investigation the police initially did. But, then it quickly devolved into "zimmerman is a racist." If you think he deserved jail time; prosecution should have prosecuted under manslaughter not 2nd degree murder. According to O'Mara's press conference, he said the investigation was quite diligent compared to other cases. Unless there were multiple investigations. I only followed this case starting with the trial but was there a lead investigator before Chris Serino? | ||
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