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On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
Ah, yes, the moral ambiguity of whether or not to report the molestation of children to the proper authorities. Truly one of the classic moral dilemmas that has puzzled man since the beginning of time.
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On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
The "risk" of sounding insensitive? Just because you don't approve of a sport doesn't mean you go and bash someone's death over it. I don't care for soccer or "football" as you call it and yet you don't see me pointing this out whenever a "football legend" dies.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're ignorant, pretending you never said that.
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RIP JOE. This guy would have been a true legend if wasn't for the scandals.... anyway hes still a legend
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On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
This. Joe Paterno was a man put in a very tough spot by a close friend and he was forced to chose between his career, his friends, his legacy, his program, his passion in life that he spent every moment of his life building and a story that he could not be sure was true and for all he knew could have been investigated/in the process of investigation and cleared his friend.
He made a mistake in my opinion. He should not have assumed actions were carried out by his superiors and should have pressed them to know the results and should have reaccessed his situation then and hopefully decided to go straight to the police. Alas, he did not. It is the great tragedy of his life and it meant his last months were spent while under the scrutiny of the national media and under the tremendous burden of guilt I'm sure he felt.
But he did not rape those boys. He appears to be a good man caught in an impossibly difficult situation and I would not for one second want to ever have to be in his shoes nor would I mislead myself into believing I would have acted differently from him. I hope I would. I think I would - being able to point out these things now, but I can't say this with any certainty at all.
RIP Joe. You did not deserve this fate. You did not deserve to suffer these tragedies while you were spending your last months on this earth. You deserved to be able to go out peacefully with your family at your side and this scandal not looming over you. Jerry Sandusky forced this on you. I hope you found/find peace.
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On January 23 2012 02:25 blah_blah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand. Ah, yes, the moral ambiguity of whether or not to report the molestation of children to the proper authorities. Truly one of the classic moral dilemmas that has puzzled man since the beginning of time.
Your sarcasm belies your ignorance. You're better off at 4chan.
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don't know all that much about Joe Paterno, aside from the fact that he was a football coach etc. What is freaking me out is how easily someone can use a few words and make it look terrible to support the other side (Joe Paterno's football history in this case).
I can just see it for PIPA, using pretty much the same words as another poster, "Who cares about internet freedom and privacy, children are being sexually abused, taken advantage of". Different case, different topics but came into my mind at the time.
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Pretty sure the stress and the scandal killed him. Probably had a few years left if it wasnt for that mess. Bad way to be remembered.
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On January 23 2012 02:33 Dbars wrote:
Pretty sure the stress and the scandal killed him. Probably had a few years left if it wasnt for that mess. Bad way to be remembered.
It certainly helped. The catalyst was probably the broken hip in December and the cancer complications soon after that.
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JOEPA  he was the John Wooden of college basketball, not in the way that he won a rediculous amount, but in that he was a bastion of being nice, never screaming and getting his point across in an archaic but more useful way. JoePA isn't going to be remembered for the scandal, he'll be remembered for his wins and his grandad like demeanor. Joe is gonna be missed RIP
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Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.
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If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
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On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
Thanks man. Sick of posting here anyway. =]
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On January 23 2012 02:28 StyLeD wrote:
Your sarcasm belies your ignorance. You're better off at 4chan.
Ironic considering that you apparently are unable to use the word 'belies' correctly. But I guess I shouldn't expect much from some first-year undergrad who is mystified by the complex ethical issues associated with enabling child molestation.
On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
I think a reasonable summary is that Paterno was a successful college coach who did certain laudable things (fundraising, etc) for the university and was richly compensated for it. He also thought that his program was literally above the law and used his influence to shield his players from prosecution when they violated the regulations of the university and committed crimes, thereby undermining any sort of moral stature that might be ascribed to him. In the most critical moral juncture of his life, he made an objectively terrible decision and thereby allowed the rape and molestation of young children to continue. You have to value college football wins awfully high in relation to the lifetime suffering of children to end up with, on balance, a favorable assessment of his life's accomplishments.
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Joe Paterno was a great coach and a great person. He does not deserve what he received (job wise). He will be missed by thousands and will be remembered (for me) as a great coach.
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Smells like butthurt reddit circlejerkers in here.
Rip JoePa
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On January 23 2012 02:47 Megaliskuu wrote:
Smells like butthurt reddit circlejerkers in here.
Rip JoePa
more like butthurt college football players in this case.
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On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.
I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain.
On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested.
Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state.
You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.
If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.
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He didnt make one mistake, he neglected to tell authorities about child abuse for several years. That for me is enough to lose all respect that he might have earned previously. Its one thing to not tell about money or something like that, but neglecting to tell authorities about children being abused it almost as bad as doing the deed it self.
If it were your kid, would you still call him a legend?
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Standard apologetics abound.
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