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DaCheF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
January 22 2012 18:01 GMT
#141
GG
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 22 2012 18:01 GMT
#142
On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:
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On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.

RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.


I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain.

On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested.

Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state.

You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.

If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.



This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading.

Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations.

JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action.

Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring.

IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.

Cubbieblue66
Profile Joined June 2011
95 Posts
January 22 2012 18:11 GMT
#143
On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.

User was temp banned for this post.


He wasn't a horrible person. Neither was he a perfect person.

He was -- as most of us are -- a person who did both good and bad things. At the end of the day, you just hope the good you've done outweighs the bad.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 18:27:39
January 22 2012 18:25 GMT
#144
On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:
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On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.

Wtf

He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he?
That was Sandusky.

but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty.

last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?


You sound like a fool trying to blame the victims here.. reading a couple of minutes about the incident would have been enough for you to know the culture of silence surrounding sandusky's actions.
Slurpy
Profile Joined October 2010
41 Posts
January 22 2012 18:31 GMT
#145
“Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things.”
rip joepa
Brosy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States254 Posts
January 22 2012 18:32 GMT
#146
I'll never forget the time that I met Joe Pa in middle school. The impact that one meeting has had on my life has been massive. I wouldn't be the person I am if not for that 30 minute conversation with him. RIP Joe
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
January 22 2012 18:32 GMT
#147
Nice to know that people who express their negative feelings towards this person that was aware of child molestation for over a decade without taking proper action are being banned. Pathetic.

I can only hope that you will never have a child that is molested, only to have people involved be defended because of their standing in society.

This man does not deserve a RIP thread. No one would ever defend this guy if he wasn't a popular figure before incidents came to light. He is partly responsible for the abuse. He may not have been directly involved, but 10 years without action is unacceptable. You can say he didn't know what to do because it was his friend involved; that "dilemma" should not take years for him to be done with. Maybe a couple of days, but anyone with a good conscience would have taken action.

No one would defend a child molester. No one would defend said molester's wife or friend if they knew about it and took no action.
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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
January 22 2012 18:37 GMT
#148
On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
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On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.

RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.


I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain.

On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested.

Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state.

You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.

If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.



This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading.

Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations.

JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action.

Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring.

IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.



Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
January 22 2012 18:41 GMT
#149
On January 23 2012 03:37 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.

RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.


I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain.

On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested.

Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state.

You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.

If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.



This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading.

Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations.

JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action.

Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring.

IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.



Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school.



to the best of our knowledge........ no he didn't. Stop lying.

im sure he saw him around campus with children and knew he still had access to the facilities. but to say he himself saw sandusky and children getting out of showers together is an outright lie at this time.


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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 22 2012 18:42 GMT
#150
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#151
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.

Good coach though.
Nyct0
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom33 Posts
January 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#152
On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:
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On January 23 2012 02:28 blah_blah wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:22 ampson wrote:
Donated Millions of dollars to an educational institution. People on TL like education, right?
Was a positive force in thousands of college kid's lives. These former players attest to this.
Coached young, impulsive kids for 46 years in such a way that he maintained no NCAA infractions.


Yeah, he sure was concerned that his students got a proper education and were law-abiding citizens who complied with university regulations.

If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.


He allowed children to be abused, he deserves NO respect.
stormssc
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland125 Posts
January 22 2012 18:44 GMT
#153
Horribly biased bans in this thread.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 22 2012 18:44 GMT
#154
On January 23 2012 01:58 Dispersion wrote:
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On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football.


Nobody believes he touched any children, that was Sandusky. JoePa knew about it and didn't tell anyone, which obviously is a terrible, terrible thing.


No his critisism is that he told someone and didnt follow up. That is entirely different then not telling anyone and considering he has said that he didnt really consider himself qualified to speak on or handle such an issue I can forgive him and put my blame on people he told who did nothing.
kcaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada387 Posts
January 22 2012 18:46 GMT
#155
On January 23 2012 01:35 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:


is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?

College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US.
It's big deal.
Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day.
Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring.

source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts.

Just to give a perspective.
Madrid and Barcelona are professional clubs and they have stadiums size of 85,000 and 99,000ish seats.
There are 9 US colleges with 80,000+, 5 colleges with 90,000+, and 6 colleges with stadiums of 100,000+ and they do regularly fill out in important games.



Yeah and I bet people travel from all over the world to watch college football. Lol. Its big where it is, because there isn't much else.
But OT, RIP Joe Pa (Never heard of him before the case) - but he deserves nothing after enabling what happened to those people. Tarnished the School which he apparently gave everything for. Just cuz' he was a football coach doesn't make him ethically superior.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Ma Jae Yoon
Brosy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States254 Posts
January 22 2012 18:46 GMT
#156
On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.

Good coach though.


Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard

User was warned for this post
kcaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada387 Posts
January 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#157
On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.

Good coach though.


Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard


I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Ma Jae Yoon
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
January 22 2012 18:50 GMT
#158
On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.

Good coach though.


Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard


I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.


According to kcaz, "letting people know" is the same exact thing as telling your superiors like you're supposed to.

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bobobobojos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 18:54:33
January 22 2012 18:50 GMT
#159
I doubt Paterno saw Sandusky and kids "getting in and out of the shower". Most of the children were like members of his troubled youth group that Sandusky formed a foundation to help. A few may have been like junior football team members or something.

Most likely, most of the abuses occurred off-campus, and Sandusky would've been caught years earlier, as a result of parents who basically sold their kids as sex slaves for the fee of sending their kid to sex slavery camp. But they were troubled youths with likely little to no parental involvement and thus were even more "at risk" just google "at risk" and sandusky and u'll understand.

So in my opinion theres a chance Paterno may not have known. And think about it, nobody 'knew' it was going on.

Since the media makes it very clear that he did mention it to his superiors, the responsibility was on them to further act.
It just makes Paterno amoral so why anyone woudl defend him in this thread is beyond me.

edit: Since we have no info we can't make that judgement. As far as i can see its like 50-50 that he's an innocent or an asshole but he's 100% not guilty of a crime in all fairness.

THE REAL QUESTION REMAINS
Since when does dying earn you more respect unless you die under fire or in battle or what have you?

Why would i respect a dead hero more than a living hero?

We dont piss on people's graves and we don't piss on people. But we can talk shit about people we dont like, and so i think we can talk shit about dead people we dont like

E.G.- Calling Dead Poets morons gets philosophers angry, but is completely understood by engineers.
JARLAXLE VS BOBA FETT????????????????????
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
January 22 2012 18:52 GMT
#160
RIP Joe Paterno.
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