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Joe Paterno, 85, dies in State College
Joe Paterno has died at the age of 85 after experiencing serious complications from lung-cancer treatment.
The health of Paterno, who had fought the disease for two months, had grown progressively worse after he recently broke his pelvis in a fall at his home in State College, Pa.
"It is with great sadness that we announce that Joe Paterno passed away earlier today," said a statement from Paterno's family, released Sunday, shortly after 10 a.m. ET. "His loss leaves a void in our lives that will never be filled.
"He died as he lived. He fought hard until the end, stayed positive, thought only of others and constantly reminded everyone of how blessed his life had been.
"His ambitions were far reaching, but he never believed he had to leave this Happy Valley to achieve them. He was a man devoted to his family, his university, his players and his community."
Paterno remained connected to a ventilator into Sunday, individuals close to Paterno's family told The Washington Post.
The newspaper reported the family had communicated to the hospital his wishes not to be kept alive through extreme artificial means.
Paterno's cancer diagnosis was revealed Nov. 18, nine days after he lost his Penn State head coaching job in the fallout of sexual abuse charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Jay Paterno, one of Paterno's sons, thanked fans for their support Saturday.
"I appreciate the support & prayers. Joe is continuing to fight," Jay Paterno wrote on his own Twitter account.
Paterno won two national championships and a Division I-record 409 games over 46 seasons at Penn State and the family has donated millions of dollars to the school.
But his legacy was clouded in the wake of a sexual abuse scandal that has resulted in 52 counts of child molestation against Sandusky. Paterno had announced his retirement early on Nov. 9, but the Penn State board of trustees fired him and university president Graham Spanier about 12 hours later. That day, Paterno called the scandal "one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."
In his first public statements since the scandal broke, Paterno recently told The Washington Post that he did not know how to deal with the situation when he received a report from a graduate assistant that his former defensive coordinator was accused of abusing a boy in the showers.
"I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was," he told The Post in an extensive two-day interview at his home. "So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."
Police on Saturday night barricaded off the block where Paterno lives, and a police car was stationed about 50 yards from his home. A light was on in the living room but there was no activity inside. No one was outside, other than reporters and photographers stationed there.
About 200 students and townspeople gathered in State College at a statue of Paterno just outside a gate at Beaver Stadium.
Some brought candles, while others held up their smart phones to take photos of the scene. The mood was somber, with no chanting or shouting.
Jay Paterno tweeted, "Drove by students at the Joe statue. Just told my Dad about all the love & support--inspiring him."
Source: ESPN
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Wonder how this will impact the trial as he is one of the key witnesses. Should be interesting though.
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wow, and just after the whole scandal... rip joepa.
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ouch  horrible way to go right after the scandal
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Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
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Wow, I just really hope that somehow this scandal doesn't blot the legacy of this legendary figure. I always liked ole' Joe Paterno. My thoughts go out to his family. Rest in Peace.
On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
Not okay, stay out of this thread.
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RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please.
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As if shit couldn't get any more complicated
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never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
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On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
Wtf
He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he?
That was Sandusky.
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Good night sweet prince. May your legency not be tainted by what actions have happened.
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On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
why do you parade ignorance
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RIP JoePa
I hope this scandal bullshit doesnt ruin his legacy, such an amazing dude.
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He died about 4 months too late...
Bad way to go out.
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RIP. To be honest I kinda expected it to come. Everything he had spent decades building was taken from him and tainted.
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On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top.
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Dying to cancer at 85.
What a horrible way to die...
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omfg, really wow, this is such a shame after everything he went through in the past few months, hoep the family's OK feel so bad such a loss
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On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please.
Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died."
Btw RIP joepa.
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On January 23 2012 01:02 don_kyuhote wrote:
Dying to cancer at 85.
What a horrible way to die...
His will to live was probably gone so it sped things up a bit.
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Such a shame. I wanted him to go to Sandusky's trial and be shown for the sorry little rape agologist/enabler he is.
"Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”
He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.
“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
Yeah, fuck him and fuck those horseshit quotes. His legacy is gonna be remembered for what he didn't do in this situation, as it should.
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On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky.
but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty.
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On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa.
Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death.
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Tough to see Joe go down in such circumstances. This will undoubtedly affect the trial greatly.
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On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death.
Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous.
Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that.
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On January 23 2012 01:11 Hawk wrote:
Such a shame. I wanted him to go to Sandusky's trial and be shown for the sorry little rape agologist/enabler he is.
"Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”
He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.
“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
Yeah, fuck him and fuck those horseshit quotes. His legacy is gonna be remembered for what he didn't do in this situation, as it should.
Wow. I haven't really read much about the whole Penn State molestation, but Paterno sounds like he deserved absolutely whatever he got, facilitating and enabling the things he did, and I don't know what to say toward the people who support him based solely upon his football reputation.
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On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty.
last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?
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On January 23 2012 01:11 Hawk wrote:
Such a shame. I wanted him to go to Sandusky's trial and be shown for the sorry little rape agologist/enabler he is.
"Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”
He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.
“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
Yeah, fuck him and fuck those horseshit quotes. His legacy is gonna be remembered for what he didn't do in this situation, as it should.
You have to be pretty sick to trash a man right after he dies. Please respect the dead. He evidently made horrible mistakes in his life for which he probably should have received much more punishment, but the man just died. Have some damn respect for a human's death.
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On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
i somehow agree to this.
On January 23 2012 01:02 Kiyo. wrote:
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top.[/QUOTE]
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?
€: and as i read here he supported childrape somewhat. my sadness level fell from 0 to -1
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On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?
This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.
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On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?
There's this thing called shame. No sexual victims likes to see their face on the news paper next to the words "RAPED LITTLE BOYS ". hence why sexual victims almost never tell their story voluntarily.
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On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP
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On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. i somehow agree to this. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:02 Kiyo. wrote:
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top.
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?[/QUOTE]
College football is arguably as popular or more popular than any other sport in America.
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Karma is a bitch. He got what he deserved. He might have been a great football coach, but he was an awful human with no morals.
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Im sad the man died, but I lost all my respect for him when I heard about the scandal.
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On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?
College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US.
It's big deal.
Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day.
Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring.
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On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP
Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed.
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On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?
€: and as i read here he supported childrape somewhat. my sadness level fell from 0 to -1
College football is immensely popular here. Thousands of people attend every single Division 1 game. Some people consider the NFL (professional football) a farce and that most of them are drama queens and only are in it for the money. (Same can be said of some professional basketball players, LeBron anyone?)
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So many bad posts in this thread already.
RIP joepa, you were a great man that had his rep. ruined by the Sandusky scandal.
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Just to give an idea about how popular "college" football is in the US, it makes billions of dollars a year, there are multiple stadiums that seat 80,000+ people and each of those are filled up every Saturday. It makes more money than any other sport except pro football (in the US though i would venture to say it makes more money than any professional soccer league as well)
Either way his death is a big deal considering his involvement in the Penn State disaster, and whatever his role and no matter what he could or could not have done differently his death is sad.
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On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. i somehow agree to this. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:02 Kiyo. wrote:
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top.
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"?
€: and as i read here he supported childrape somewhat. my sadness level fell from 0 to -1[/QUOTE]
So someone who you don't know died and that makes it unimportant? He is very well known in America and college football is probably equally as popular as the NFL, MLB, and NBA and more popular than the NHL. You have no clue what you are talking about. Joe Pa was one of the most famous and respected college football coaches of all time. Just because someone who is not known internationally dies doesn't mean you come and here and say "SO WHAT WHO CARES". Just shutup if you don't know him.
RIP Joe Pa
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On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring.
source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts.
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"nil nisi bonum"
The man lived a long life and contributed much to a community, a university and the lives of thousands of student.
His role in a scandal has not been determined. Have some class.
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On January 23 2012 01:22 Steelavocado wrote:
So many bad posts in this thread already.
RIP joepa, you were a great man that had his rep. ruined by the Sandusky scandal.
A great man that condoned and allowed child molestation to go on in his program.
In fact, anyone who says he is anything short of an awful human being condones child molestation. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
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On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?
Yeah, like they would embarass themselves like that
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Joe Paterno did everything he needed to and reported the incident if nothing was done to the coach why would he think different? I don't understand the logic of some people he did what he was required and told to do nothing more and it'd be handled. He was a great coach and great man making college football what it is today RIP he deserves that at least.
On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:
source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts.
Louisiana State University regularly accommodates 91k-99k depending on game and colleges like Ohio State fits 102k. The national championship this year for the NCAA had 90k+ in stadium and millions on TV. Google is your friend.
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On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that.
Is it really so much to ask to not post negativity in a obituary thread? Really?
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On January 23 2012 01:27 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that. Is it really so much to ask to not post negativity in a obituary thread? Really?
He was a scumbag and doesn't even deserve this thread.
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It really is amazing how things can change. Decades of deep respect and admiration, then in his last 3 months it all fell apart. Pretty crazy story.
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On January 23 2012 01:28 DannyJ wrote:
It really is amazing how things can change. 85 years of deep respect and admiration, then in his last 3 months it all fell apart. Pretty crazy story.
Write a book.
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On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_Stadium
Capacity - 85,454
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Stadium
Capacity - 109,901
Record attendance - 114k+
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On January 23 2012 01:16 Omsomsoms wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:11 Hawk wrote:
Such a shame. I wanted him to go to Sandusky's trial and be shown for the sorry little rape agologist/enabler he is.
"Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”
He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.
“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
Yeah, fuck him and fuck those horseshit quotes. His legacy is gonna be remembered for what he didn't do in this situation, as it should.
Wow. I haven't really read much about the whole Penn State molestation, but Paterno sounds like he deserved absolutely whatever he got, facilitating and enabling the things he did, and I don't know what to say toward the people who support him based solely upon his football reputation.
Just the tip of the iceberg. If you read up on deadspin, they pulled together all of the stories from the outlets that show just how deep this rabbit hole goes. Like, he had known since 2002 for sure (more like 1999 though when Sandusky retired after being investigated) and still attended charity events for CHILDREN on behalf of Sandusky, didnt say anything when Sandusky was on campus with kids, etc etc
The whole thing is sick and shows just how much we as society value FOOBAW WINS over anything else.
It really can't be said enough: Short of actually raping the kids like Sandusky did, Paterno is the #1 person who enabled this by not doing more, even if he legally wasn't responsible. THat's something you expect out of the dude who fashionedh imself as the most morally upright man in sports.
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On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP
Because college football is more important that getting justice for rape victims? Disgusting....
Rip Joe, but there is no sadnes in my heart for you
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On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts.
Just to give a perspective.
Madrid and Barcelona are professional clubs and they have stadiums size of 85,000 and 99,000ish seats.
There are 9 US colleges with 80,000+, 5 colleges with 90,000+, and 6 colleges with stadiums of 100,000+ and they do regularly fill out in important games.
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On January 23 2012 01:35 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Because college football is more important that getting justice fortape victims? Disturbing.... Rip Joe, but there is no sadnes in my heart for you
Men make mistakes. This isn't his legacy. His decades at Penn State are his legacy. He won the most college football games in history. The victims will get justice, but let the people who knew of him before the Sandusky scandal have their time. Seriously...this shouldn't even have to be said.
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On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up.
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On January 23 2012 01:25 Lebzetu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others? Yeah, like they would embarass themselves like that
would you embarrass yourself if it saved others from the same bad abuse that you received? if not your just as guilty bro
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On January 23 2012 01:37 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:25 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others? Yeah, like they would embarass themselves like that would you embarrass yourself if it saved others from the same bad abuse that you received? if not your just as guilty bro
It was underprivileged KIDS...
How retarded can some people get?
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On January 23 2012 01:37 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up.
his one mistake, that lasted 10-15y, pretty big mistake.
History will remember him as the criminal the he is, not what he did right.
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On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that.
Too bad the people who disliked him seem incapable of being respectful in expressing their opinions. No one deserves to die of cancer.
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On January 23 2012 01:39 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:37 Mr Showtime wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up. his one mistake, that lasted 10-15y, pretty big mistake. History will remember him as the criminal the he is, not what he did right.
You're wrong. Maybe from the outside, people who never followed college football, yeah that's what they'll remember. But the people that matter, we'll remember the days of him on the sidelines.
This is just like the Michael Jackson death. All of you people cried child rape...only a portion was talking about the contribution he made to music.
Get your heads out of your asses and show some respect.
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On January 23 2012 01:37 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:35 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Because college football is more important that getting justice fortape victims? Disturbing.... Rip Joe, but there is no sadnes in my heart for you Men make mistakes. This isn't his legacy. His decades at Penn State are his legacy. He won the most college football games in history. The victims will get justice, but let the people who knew of him before the Sandusky scandal have their time. Seriously...this shouldn't even have to be said.
Mistakes? Are you kidding me? When you cover up a molestors crimes and this enable him to commit more crimes you should be remembered for it.
Sorry but the amount of importance being placed on football here is sickening
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On January 23 2012 01:39 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that. Too bad the people who disliked him seem incapable of being respectful in expressing their opinions. No one deserves to die of cancer.
its not dislike, its disgust. i put myself in the shoes of those that were raped because of him.
football is irrelevant if ppl were being raped.
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On January 23 2012 01:37 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:35 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Because college football is more important that getting justice fortape victims? Disturbing.... Rip Joe, but there is no sadnes in my heart for you Men make mistakes. This isn't his legacy. His decades at Penn State are his legacy. He won the most college football games in history. The victims will get justice, but let the people who knew of him before the Sandusky scandal have their time. Seriously...this shouldn't even have to be said.
yes, I am sure that all football fans who 'knew him before' the scandal are in agreement that his life should be celebrated after 15 years of enabling that crap!
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On January 23 2012 01:39 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that. Too bad the people who disliked him seem incapable of being respectful in expressing their opinions. No one deserves to die of cancer.
I wasnt a big fan of his decision and I consider myself pretty respectful of his death. Btw where did anyone say someone deserved to die of cancer? WTFF?
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On January 23 2012 01:43 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:39 Skullflower wrote:On January 23 2012 01:16 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 PassiveAce wrote:On January 23 2012 01:04 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 23 2012 00:53 PassiveAce wrote:
RIP
dont talk shit about the dead please. Im not defending talking shit about him but lets just say someone was a prick before they died... does that make them less of a prick after they are dead? I dont understand this whole "dont talk shit about people who have died." Btw RIP joepa. Im not saying that it is not ok to call and evil person evil just because hes dead (I am not talking about Paterno here). Im just saying this guy died like a couple hours ago and I dont want this thread to be shitted up with people angry over the scandal before his death, its off topic, not to mention exceptionally rude to discuss something like that so shortly after his death. Ok so now its not a discussion of whether or not is ok to call someone evil after they are dead but a discussion of how long to wait? That just seems ridiculous. Let people speak their mind and if they disliked him as a person allow them to express that in what I hope would be a tasteful manner. I dont see what is so wrong about that. Too bad the people who disliked him seem incapable of being respectful in expressing their opinions. No one deserves to die of cancer. I wasnt a big fan of his decision and I consider myself pretty respectful of his death. Btw where did anyone say someone deserved to die of cancer? WTFF?
It wasn't directed at you. Sorry if you felt that way
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On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed.
You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue.
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People are such assholes, standing on their moral highground, assuring everyone they'd be the beacon of integrity in every situation. And the right kind of integrity, too, not the kind where you're loyal to your friend who you've known for years and years. 'Cause who would do that?
Not saying it's right, just that being loyal to a friend who was accused of something that you don't believe him capable of is a very human reaction. So why shit on him in a thread about his death?
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Rot in hell.
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On January 23 2012 01:49 GeorgeForeman wrote:
People are such assholes, standing on their moral highground, assuring everyone they'd be the beacon of integrity in every situation. And the right kind of integrity, too, not the kind where you're loyal to your friend who you've known for years and years. 'Cause who would do that?
Not saying it's right, just that being loyal to a friend who was accused of something that you don't believe him capable of is a very human reaction. So why shit on him in a thread about his death?
I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you.
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On January 23 2012 01:41 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:39 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:37 Mr Showtime wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up. his one mistake, that lasted 10-15y, pretty big mistake. History will remember him as the criminal the he is, not what he did right. You're wrong. Maybe from the outside, people who never followed college football, yeah that's what they'll remember. But the people that matter, we'll remember the days of him on the sidelines. This is just like the Michael Jackson death. All of you people cried child rape...only a portion was talking about the contribution he made to music. Get your heads out of your asses and show some respect.
"But the people that matter"
You asshole
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Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he facilitated the rape of children because of his contributions to football.
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On January 23 2012 01:53 sparkk51 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:41 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:39 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:37 Mr Showtime wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up. his one mistake, that lasted 10-15y, pretty big mistake. History will remember him as the criminal the he is, not what he did right. You're wrong. Maybe from the outside, people who never followed college football, yeah that's what they'll remember. But the people that matter, we'll remember the days of him on the sidelines. This is just like the Michael Jackson death. All of you people cried child rape...only a portion was talking about the contribution he made to music. Get your heads out of your asses and show some respect. "But the people that matter" You asshole
Yeah, I'm the asshole. People in this thread are basically implying his death benefits the world, and I'm the asshole.
You know what guys? This thread still exists:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283558
If you want to talk about PSU and the atrocities committed there, get in that thread. This thread is for JoePa.
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On January 23 2012 01:37 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:25 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others? Yeah, like they would embarass themselves like that would you embarrass yourself if it saved others from the same bad abuse that you received? if not your just as guilty bro
This guy is the ignorant gift that keeps on giving.
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On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football.
He didn't rape children. Jesus christ.
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On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+
You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot.
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On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football.
Nobody believes he touched any children, that was Sandusky. JoePa knew about it and didn't tell anyone, which obviously is a terrible, terrible thing.
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RIP JoePa....
If you dont live in the States you should probably STFU since you don't know what this guy really did for Penn State and College Football as a whole. Most of you know only what happened the last few months which is sad
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On January 23 2012 01:57 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football. He didn't rape children. Jesus christ.
Edited because of mistake, sorry
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On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
User was temp banned for this post.
Dear god man. Dear god.
I'm glad you feel like you can give the judgement of death to someone you don't know. How secure of you.
Unacceptable.
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Your legacy of kindness, generosity, and perseverance will live on Joe Pa. Rest in peace. Yes he messed up bad late in life, but years of remarkable impacts on so many people will remain his legacy.
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On January 23 2012 01:56 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:53 sparkk51 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:41 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:39 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:37 Mr Showtime wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. You don't know shit about the guy. GTF...... GET THE FUCK OUT. His legacy will far surpass his one mistake. It's not okay that he remained silent about the Sandusky issue, and looking back, he and anyone else would have acted differently. RIP JoePa. You will be missed. Maybe not by everyone now, but a few years from now, this scandal will wash up. his one mistake, that lasted 10-15y, pretty big mistake. History will remember him as the criminal the he is, not what he did right. You're wrong. Maybe from the outside, people who never followed college football, yeah that's what they'll remember. But the people that matter, we'll remember the days of him on the sidelines. This is just like the Michael Jackson death. All of you people cried child rape...only a portion was talking about the contribution he made to music. Get your heads out of your asses and show some respect. "But the people that matter" You asshole Yeah, I'm the asshole. People in this thread are basically implying his death benefits the world, and I'm the asshole. You know what guys? This thread still exists: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283558If you want to talk about PSU and the atrocities committed there, get in that thread. This thread is for JoePa.
Yes and "joepa" helped cover up said atrocities.
It's ridiculous to say we can't talk about his life here, otherwise we're just going to have 600 rip joepa posts and this thread will just be a conflagration of spam
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On January 23 2012 01:58 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football. Nobody believes he touched any children, that was Sandusky. JoePa knew about it and didn't tell anyone, which obviously is a terrible, terrible thing.
If anyone should have done more it's Mike McQueary. He actually witnessed it. Why didn't he just call the fucking cops right then and there?
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On January 23 2012 01:57 Zad1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+ You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot.
Um...obviously. That's a continental, worldwide sport. El Clásico had 500,000,000 people watch it. But as far as stadium sizes, college football beats it. Thought that's what we were talking about >_<
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On January 23 2012 01:59 DrunkeN. wrote:RIP JoePa.... If you dont live in the States you should probably STFU since you don't know what this guy really did for Penn State and College Football as a whole. Most of you know only what happened the last few months which is sad
So what sorts of good things would one have to do to allow them to be immune from criticism over enabling and facilitating child rape? I have to be from America to understand? I dont see how being American is required to criticize someone who did what he did, regardless of what "good" he might have done in his life.
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On January 23 2012 01:24 Detrimentally wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:22 Steelavocado wrote:
So many bad posts in this thread already.
RIP joepa, you were a great man that had his rep. ruined by the Sandusky scandal. A great man that condoned and allowed child molestation to go on in his program. In fact, anyone who says he is anything short of an awful human being condones child molestation. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
Completely agree, if he allowed child abuse to take place he was an awful human being and the world is a better place without people like him. Allowing child abuse is as bad as abusing the child yourself, how can you people call him a legend? You look up to people like this? You actually think what he did was acceptable and he should be known as a legend? He should go down as a child abuser and nothing more.
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On January 23 2012 01:11 Hawk wrote:
The whole thing is sick and shows just how much we as society value FOOBAW WINS over anything else.
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And that's America for you. As long as you're good at sports or have a lot of money you can rape women, host dog fights, and commit various other criminal acts that would have anyone else in jail for years. Yet still be treated and promoted as a roll model.
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On January 23 2012 01:57 Zad1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+ You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot.
Warkov's got it right.
"The Super Bowl is also among the most watched sporting events in the world, mostly due to North American audiences, and is second to Association football's UEFA Champions League final as the most watched annual sporting event worldwide."
Wikipedia, look up the Super Bowl. Legit sources, too.
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Sigh, coming from a family that has all gone to Penn State, this thread makes me really sad. Joe Pa made a huge error in judgement, and im not saying it shouldn't effect his legacy. Yet, through out his career he did so much more that he should also be remembered for, besides the scandal. He donated millions to a University, built a strong program based on moral character, and became the face of an entire university. Was he perfect? No, and he deserves criticism for the scandal and his role in it. He also deserves recognition and respect for the greatness he brought to the university. RIP JoePa
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As a rule of thumb everyone, you are not allowed to have a different opinion than everyone else. Watch out for that.
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On January 23 2012 02:01 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:59 DrunkeN. wrote:RIP JoePa.... If you dont live in the States you should probably STFU since you don't know what this guy really did for Penn State and College Football as a whole. Most of you know only what happened the last few months which is sad So what sorts of good things would one have to do to allow them to be immune from criticism over enabling and facilitating child rape? I have to be from America to understand? I dont see how being American is required to criticize someone who did what he did, regardless of what "good" he might have done in his life.
Your close enough to know College Football most PPL not from the States have no idea about Football at all. JoePa was a great coach. So a story we don't even have all the FACTS(and never will) for, is what everyone is basing his WHOLE life about.
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On January 23 2012 01:59 DrunkeN. wrote:RIP JoePa.... If you dont live in the States you should probably STFU since you don't know what this guy really did for Penn State and College Football as a whole. Most of you know only what happened the last few months which is sad
If I see another one of these "it was one mistake guyz remember what he did 4 FOOTBALL" posts I swear I'm going to scream
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On January 23 2012 02:02 Nuclease wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:57 Zad1337 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+ You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot. Warkov's got it right. "The Super Bowl is also among the most watched sporting events in the world, mostly due to North American audiences, and is second to Association football's UEFA Champions League final as the most watched annual sporting event worldwide." Wikipedia, look up the Super Bowl. Legit sources, too.
That statistic has absolutely nothing to do with anything being talked about.
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On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue.
who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped.
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On January 23 2012 02:05 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue. who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped.
I agree completely, the people taking the moral highground and defending him are... really something
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On January 23 2012 02:02 Nuclease wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:57 Zad1337 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+ You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot. Warkov's got it right. "The Super Bowl is also among the most watched sporting events in the world, mostly due to North American audiences, and is second to Association football's UEFA Champions League final as the most watched annual sporting event worldwide." Wikipedia, look up the Super Bowl. Legit sources, too.
So college footbal isn't bigger then european football. thx now the facts are straight.
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On January 23 2012 02:02 Nyct0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:24 Detrimentally wrote:
A great man that condoned and allowed child molestation to go on in his program.
In fact, anyone who says he is anything short of an awful human being condones child molestation. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Completely agree, if he allowed child abuse to take place he was an awful human being and the world is a better place without people like him. Allowing child abuse is as bad as abusing the child yourself, how can you people call him a legend? You look up to people like this? You actually think what he did was acceptable and he should be known as a legend? He should go down as a child abuser and nothing more.
What in the hell is wrong with you people? I don't personally want to be like him, but I respect him for how he advanced the sport of college football. Nobody thinks what he did was acceptable, but calling him an awful human being and implying he should only go down as a man who allows molestation to go on, is ignorant. Respect the legacy of the sport, Sandusky will meet justice. The victims will see justice. Leave JoePa alone, at least in this thread. Post in the PSU/Sandusky thread if you need to talk about it.
On January 23 2012 02:02 Luxuria wrote:
And that's America for you. As long as you're good at sports or have a lot of money you can rape women, host dog fights, and commit various other criminal acts that would have anyone else in jail for years. Yet still be treated and promoted as a roll model.
..that's not even true. Country bashing isn't smiled upon on TL, be careful. And also, nobody is saying "Hey, Vick held dogfights and I like him, maybe I should do that!" Get your head out of your ass.
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On January 23 2012 02:06 Omsomsoms wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:05 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue. who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped. I agree completely, the people taking the moral highground and defending him are... really something
I wonder if they would be saying the same thing, if it was them who got raped for years.
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This is bad. RIP. People pass judgement without knowing everything, easiest way to do it. Thing is as much as he might have been wrong in his decisions, so do people passing judgement, I shudder at the thought of doing that, I hope I didn't.
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One of the best coaches in college football ever'
RIP Joe
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On January 23 2012 02:09 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:06 Omsomsoms wrote:On January 23 2012 02:05 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue. who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped. I agree completely, the people taking the moral highground and defending him are... really something I wonder if they would be saying the same thing, if it was them who got raped for years.
Yeah I wonder what they're thinking -_-
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On January 23 2012 02:09 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:06 Omsomsoms wrote:On January 23 2012 02:05 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue. who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped. I agree completely, the people taking the moral highground and defending him are... really something I wonder if they would be saying the same thing, if it was them who got raped for years.
Do people not understand that Paterno didn't rape anyone? If this were an RIP Sandusky thread, I'd agree in saying that he will be remembered as a child molester. But Paterno...won't be.
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In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
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On January 23 2012 01:02 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top.
Thank you for this post, I had no idea who this person was until reply #16 and was wondering why his death was news-worthy. OP should have explained this.
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On January 23 2012 02:07 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:02 Nyct0 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:24 Detrimentally wrote:
A great man that condoned and allowed child molestation to go on in his program.
In fact, anyone who says he is anything short of an awful human being condones child molestation. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Completely agree, if he allowed child abuse to take place he was an awful human being and the world is a better place without people like him. Allowing child abuse is as bad as abusing the child yourself, how can you people call him a legend? You look up to people like this? You actually think what he did was acceptable and he should be known as a legend? He should go down as a child abuser and nothing more. What in the hell is wrong with you people? I don't personally want to be like him, but I respect him for how he advanced the sport of college football. Nobody thinks what he did was acceptable, but calling him an awful human being and implying he should only go down as a man who allows molestation to go on, is ignorant. Respect the legacy of the sport, Sandusky will meet justice. The victims will see justice. Leave JoePa alone, at least in this thread. Post in the PSU/Sandusky thread if you need to talk about it. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:02 Luxuria wrote:
And that's America for you. As long as you're good at sports or have a lot of money you can rape women, host dog fights, and commit various other criminal acts that would have anyone else in jail for years. Yet still be treated and promoted as a roll model. ..that's not even true. Country bashing isn't smiled upon on TL, be careful. And also, nobody is saying "Hey, Vick held dogfights and I like him, maybe I should do that!" Get your head out of your ass.
Respect the legacy of the sport! He did so much to advance football! Dont just judge him on his mistake of standing idley by while children get raped!
One of these things is not like the other.
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On January 23 2012 02:11 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:09 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 02:06 Omsomsoms wrote:On January 23 2012 02:05 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:47 sermokala wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. You obviously don't understand college football. The people there will remember him and miss him every time they see his statue. who gives a shit about football, boys were being raped. I agree completely, the people taking the moral highground and defending him are... really something I wonder if they would be saying the same thing, if it was them who got raped for years. Do people not understand that Paterno didn't rape anyone? If this were an RIP Sandusky thread, I'd agree in saying that he will be remembered as a child molester. But Paterno...won't be.
I know perfectly well he didn't rape anyone. But he knew it was going on since 1999. he could have stopped it but he chose to cover it up because the coach was his friend. To me he is just as disgusting as the rapist himself.
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On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
not following up was bad enough....
but to allow the man to still be on campus is really his biggest crime. If it was Joe Pa's desire, he wouldnt have still had his office on campus etc...
there were numerous things that went wrong here. The whole situation was an absolute trainwreck.
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On January 23 2012 02:09 RA wrote:
This is bad. RIP. People pass judgement without knowing everything, easiest way to do it. Thing is as much as he might have been wrong in his decisions, so do people passing judgement, I shudder at the thought of doing that, I hope I didn't.
Dude we know enough. We know the guy knew about supposed child molestation (that we know to be true) gave a measly attempt to bring it to light and then just say there and let Sandusky stay on campus and do his thing.
Hell he freaking spoke at a children's program on sanduskys behalf after accusations had been brought against him!
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On January 23 2012 02:07 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:02 Nuclease wrote:On January 23 2012 01:57 Zad1337 wrote:On January 23 2012 01:30 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernabéu_StadiumCapacity - 85,454 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_StadiumCapacity - 109,901 Record attendance - 114k+ You all are talking about stadium sizes, you forget to factor in the people that watch it on TV as well. I bet the numbers swing to European football by a long shot. Warkov's got it right. "The Super Bowl is also among the most watched sporting events in the world, mostly due to North American audiences, and is second to Association football's UEFA Champions League final as the most watched annual sporting event worldwide." Wikipedia, look up the Super Bowl. Legit sources, too. So college footbal isn't bigger then european football. thx now the facts are straight.
nobody said college football is bigger than european football.
Only things that were said was college football is a big deal in US and that there are college football games that bring more people to the stadium than el clasico would.
of course it could be because there are bigger college football stadiums than camp nou and santiago bernabeu, but the fact that there are that big of an stadiums for college sport should give you an idea.
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People can be such assholes. If you don't know anything about Paterno besides what his role in the scandal was (and some people don't even know that) then don't shit on his death. Quick summary of his accomplishments:
Donated Millions of dollars to an educational institution. People on TL like education, right?
Was a positive force in thousands of college kid's lives. These former players attest to this.
Coached young, impulsive kids for 46 years in such a way that he maintained no NCAA infractions.
Not to mention what he has contributed to football.
Yes, he did make mistakes dealing with Sandusky. But if you look at it, the man found it hard to believe that his friend of 30 or so years who he knows so well could do something like this. That's understandable. And even after it was more clear to him, he was still put in a shitty position by someone else's actions.
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Yes, we get it, he was a great football coach and he did great things for Penn state. Yes, we get it, he also chose to turn a blind eye to a child rapist. Whichever of these two things is more important to you is likely more important to you. Nobody in this thread is going to suddenly say "you're right, my values were wrong".
Good on the man for doing so much for football and the university. Bad on the man for his indecisiveness. He's dead now, and the guy that commited the actual rapes is still alive. Can we move on?
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On January 23 2012 01:16 TemujinGK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:11 Hawk wrote:
Such a shame. I wanted him to go to Sandusky's trial and be shown for the sorry little rape agologist/enabler he is.
"Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”
He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.
“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
Yeah, fuck him and fuck those horseshit quotes. His legacy is gonna be remembered for what he didn't do in this situation, as it should.
You have to be pretty sick to trash a man right after he dies. Please respect the dead. He evidently made horrible mistakes in his life for which he probably should have received much more punishment, but the man just died. Have some damn respect for a human's death.
would you have that RESPECT for the Lockerbie bomber? Or maybe Liam Brady, perhaps Peter Sutcliffe .... you'd say "thank fuck or 'glad that monster is dead', you know you would.
That's a mighty high horse you're sat on.
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On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
Ah, yes, the moral ambiguity of whether or not to report the molestation of children to the proper authorities. Truly one of the classic moral dilemmas that has puzzled man since the beginning of time.
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On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion.
The "risk" of sounding insensitive? Just because you don't approve of a sport doesn't mean you go and bash someone's death over it. I don't care for soccer or "football" as you call it and yet you don't see me pointing this out whenever a "football legend" dies.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're ignorant, pretending you never said that.
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RIP JOE. This guy would have been a true legend if wasn't for the scandals.... anyway hes still a legend
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On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand.
This. Joe Paterno was a man put in a very tough spot by a close friend and he was forced to chose between his career, his friends, his legacy, his program, his passion in life that he spent every moment of his life building and a story that he could not be sure was true and for all he knew could have been investigated/in the process of investigation and cleared his friend.
He made a mistake in my opinion. He should not have assumed actions were carried out by his superiors and should have pressed them to know the results and should have reaccessed his situation then and hopefully decided to go straight to the police. Alas, he did not. It is the great tragedy of his life and it meant his last months were spent while under the scrutiny of the national media and under the tremendous burden of guilt I'm sure he felt.
But he did not rape those boys. He appears to be a good man caught in an impossibly difficult situation and I would not for one second want to ever have to be in his shoes nor would I mislead myself into believing I would have acted differently from him. I hope I would. I think I would - being able to point out these things now, but I can't say this with any certainty at all.
RIP Joe. You did not deserve this fate. You did not deserve to suffer these tragedies while you were spending your last months on this earth. You deserved to be able to go out peacefully with your family at your side and this scandal not looming over you. Jerry Sandusky forced this on you. I hope you found/find peace.
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On January 23 2012 02:25 blah_blah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:11 StyLeD wrote:
In my ethics class it was suggested that he had become so involved in college football that it was his life. Now, he had two VERY difficult choices. He could follow up on the report - therefore establishing that his college football program and mentors were hypocrisies - or simply assume that his superiors were working on it.
Many of you would say that "Oh my god, if I were in his shoes, I would have definitely followed up on the report of Sandusky!"
But you aren't. None of you are...and it is foolish for anyone to claim that or make an argument off that claim. Paterno and Sandusky were extremely close friends. If you found out your friend did something terrible, the first thing on your mind would be to deny it. I'm not defending Paterno, but merely asking that anyone here who is going to talk shit about him do a little research beforehand. Ah, yes, the moral ambiguity of whether or not to report the molestation of children to the proper authorities. Truly one of the classic moral dilemmas that has puzzled man since the beginning of time.
Your sarcasm belies your ignorance. You're better off at 4chan.
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don't know all that much about Joe Paterno, aside from the fact that he was a football coach etc. What is freaking me out is how easily someone can use a few words and make it look terrible to support the other side (Joe Paterno's football history in this case).
I can just see it for PIPA, using pretty much the same words as another poster, "Who cares about internet freedom and privacy, children are being sexually abused, taken advantage of". Different case, different topics but came into my mind at the time.
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Pretty sure the stress and the scandal killed him. Probably had a few years left if it wasnt for that mess. Bad way to be remembered.
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On January 23 2012 02:33 Dbars wrote:
Pretty sure the stress and the scandal killed him. Probably had a few years left if it wasnt for that mess. Bad way to be remembered.
It certainly helped. The catalyst was probably the broken hip in December and the cancer complications soon after that.
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JOEPA he was the John Wooden of college basketball, not in the way that he won a rediculous amount, but in that he was a bastion of being nice, never screaming and getting his point across in an archaic but more useful way. JoePA isn't going to be remembered for the scandal, he'll be remembered for his wins and his grandad like demeanor. Joe is gonna be missed RIP
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Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.
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If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
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On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
Thanks man. Sick of posting here anyway. =]
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On January 23 2012 02:28 StyLeD wrote:
Your sarcasm belies your ignorance. You're better off at 4chan.
Ironic considering that you apparently are unable to use the word 'belies' correctly. But I guess I shouldn't expect much from some first-year undergrad who is mystified by the complex ethical issues associated with enabling child molestation.
On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
I think a reasonable summary is that Paterno was a successful college coach who did certain laudable things (fundraising, etc) for the university and was richly compensated for it. He also thought that his program was literally above the law and used his influence to shield his players from prosecution when they violated the regulations of the university and committed crimes, thereby undermining any sort of moral stature that might be ascribed to him. In the most critical moral juncture of his life, he made an objectively terrible decision and thereby allowed the rape and molestation of young children to continue. You have to value college football wins awfully high in relation to the lifetime suffering of children to end up with, on balance, a favorable assessment of his life's accomplishments.
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Joe Paterno was a great coach and a great person. He does not deserve what he received (job wise). He will be missed by thousands and will be remembered (for me) as a great coach.
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Smells like butthurt reddit circlejerkers in here.
Rip JoePa
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On January 23 2012 02:47 Megaliskuu wrote:
Smells like butthurt reddit circlejerkers in here.
Rip JoePa
more like butthurt college football players in this case.
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On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.
I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain.
On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested.
Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state.
You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it.
If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.
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He didnt make one mistake, he neglected to tell authorities about child abuse for several years. That for me is enough to lose all respect that he might have earned previously. Its one thing to not tell about money or something like that, but neglecting to tell authorities about children being abused it almost as bad as doing the deed it self.
If it were your kid, would you still call him a legend?
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Standard apologetics abound.
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On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families.
This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading.
Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations.
JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action.
Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring.
IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.
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On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person.
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He wasn't a horrible person. Neither was he a perfect person.
He was -- as most of us are -- a person who did both good and bad things. At the end of the day, you just hope the good you've done outweighs the bad.
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On January 23 2012 01:16 l00l wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:12 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. but he was the one who let it continue for years. He was equally guilty. last time i checked, none of the victims were murdered and easily could've told people about said abuse but none of them did, does this make them guilty of causing harm to others?
You sound like a fool trying to blame the victims here.. reading a couple of minutes about the incident would have been enough for you to know the culture of silence surrounding sandusky's actions.
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“Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things.”
rip joepa
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I'll never forget the time that I met Joe Pa in middle school. The impact that one meeting has had on my life has been massive. I wouldn't be the person I am if not for that 30 minute conversation with him. RIP Joe
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Nice to know that people who express their negative feelings towards this person that was aware of child molestation for over a decade without taking proper action are being banned. Pathetic.
I can only hope that you will never have a child that is molested, only to have people involved be defended because of their standing in society.
This man does not deserve a RIP thread. No one would ever defend this guy if he wasn't a popular figure before incidents came to light. He is partly responsible for the abuse. He may not have been directly involved, but 10 years without action is unacceptable. You can say he didn't know what to do because it was his friend involved; that "dilemma" should not take years for him to be done with. Maybe a couple of days, but anyone with a good conscience would have taken action.
No one would defend a child molester. No one would defend said molester's wife or friend if they knew about it and took no action.
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On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.
Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school.
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On January 23 2012 03:37 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect. Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school.
to the best of our knowledge........ no he didn't. Stop lying.
im sure he saw him around campus with children and knew he still had access to the facilities. but to say he himself saw sandusky and children getting out of showers together is an outright lie at this time.
Think before you post.
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The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though.
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On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
He allowed children to be abused, he deserves NO respect.
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Horribly biased bans in this thread.
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On January 23 2012 01:58 Dispersion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:56 Omsomsoms wrote:
Regardless of the extent of his involvement, I'm absolutely disgusted by people who are willing to completely put aside the possibility he raped children because of his contributions to football. Nobody believes he touched any children, that was Sandusky. JoePa knew about it and didn't tell anyone, which obviously is a terrible, terrible thing.
No his critisism is that he told someone and didnt follow up. That is entirely different then not telling anyone and considering he has said that he didnt really consider himself qualified to speak on or handle such an issue I can forgive him and put my blame on people he told who did nothing.
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On January 23 2012 01:35 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:23 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 don_kyuhote wrote:On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:
is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? College football is the 2nd religion in some parts of US. It's big deal. Some college have over 100,000 people in the stadium during game day. Now thats more than what Real Madrid vs. Barcelona would bring. source? i know college football is big but bigger then Madrid vs Barcelona ? i have my doubts. Just to give a perspective. Madrid and Barcelona are professional clubs and they have stadiums size of 85,000 and 99,000ish seats. There are 9 US colleges with 80,000+, 5 colleges with 90,000+, and 6 colleges with stadiums of 100,000+ and they do regularly fill out in important games.
Yeah and I bet people travel from all over the world to watch college football. Lol. Its big where it is, because there isn't much else.
But OT, RIP Joe Pa (Never heard of him before the case) - but he deserves nothing after enabling what happened to those people. Tarnished the School which he apparently gave everything for. Just cuz' he was a football coach doesn't make him ethically superior.
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On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though.
Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard
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On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard
I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.
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On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.
According to kcaz, "letting people know" is the same exact thing as telling your superiors like you're supposed to.
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I doubt Paterno saw Sandusky and kids "getting in and out of the shower". Most of the children were like members of his troubled youth group that Sandusky formed a foundation to help. A few may have been like junior football team members or something.
Most likely, most of the abuses occurred off-campus, and Sandusky would've been caught years earlier, as a result of parents who basically sold their kids as sex slaves for the fee of sending their kid to sex slavery camp. But they were troubled youths with likely little to no parental involvement and thus were even more "at risk" just google "at risk" and sandusky and u'll understand.
So in my opinion theres a chance Paterno may not have known. And think about it, nobody 'knew' it was going on.
Since the media makes it very clear that he did mention it to his superiors, the responsibility was on them to further act.
It just makes Paterno amoral so why anyone woudl defend him in this thread is beyond me.
edit: Since we have no info we can't make that judgement. As far as i can see its like 50-50 that he's an innocent or an asshole but he's 100% not guilty of a crime in all fairness.
THE REAL QUESTION REMAINS
Since when does dying earn you more respect unless you die under fire or in battle or what have you?
Why would i respect a dead hero more than a living hero?
We dont piss on people's graves and we don't piss on people. But we can talk shit about people we dont like, and so i think we can talk shit about dead people we dont like
E.G.- Calling Dead Poets morons gets philosophers angry, but is completely understood by engineers.
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On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.
Go on, what should he have done then? And don't give me shit about "if you've gotten raped.." My best friends older sister was molested when she was a kid. Rape is a serious thing, Joe should have gone to the police, but he reported it to his superiors instead, who in turn did nothing. Should Joe have followed up, absolutely. But the real monsters in this situation is Sandusky, and the AD and President at Penn State who did nothing.
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On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it.
When you dont completely understand what you were explained but you report the incident to people who should I struggle to see how thats not doing all he can. I do find it odd that he didnt understand what exactly child molestation is but I can accept that its a generational thing since it wasnt really reported on back in his generation.
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All I'm saying, is that if I knew someone was getting raped, I'd alert the higher ups (If I was in a school etc.) And call the police so that it ends, and that noone else experiences what the others did. And don't gimme this BS about your friends sister getting raped lalala bullshit. Everyone knows rape is serious, and I'm not trying to underplay it. But if he thought the situation was serious as it was, he would've done more ...
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On January 23 2012 03:55 kcaz wrote:
All I'm saying, is that if I knew someone was getting raped, I'd alert the higher ups (If I was in a school etc.) And call the police so that it ends, and that noone else experiences what the others did. And don't gimme this BS about your friends sister getting raped lalala bullshit. Everyone knows rape is serious, and I'm not trying to underplay it. But if he thought the situation was serious as it was, he would've done more ...
He did report the situation to his higher ups. And you are and ignorant little piece of shit. Go fuck off
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On January 23 2012 03:55 kcaz wrote:
All I'm saying, is that if I knew someone was getting raped, I'd alert the higher ups (If I was in a school etc.) And call the police so that it ends, and that noone else experiences what the others did. And don't gimme this BS about your friends sister getting raped lalala bullshit. Everyone knows rape is serious, and I'm not trying to underplay it. But if he thought the situation was serious as it was, he would've done more ...
He did alert higher ups. Thats what "superiors" means.
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Paterno received second hand information that Sandusky was a child molester. There was no way of verifying the information. And as far as I know, Paterno has only been known to have been privy to that single reported instance.
Instead of reporting his friend to the police over allegations that may or may not be true (and forever ruining Sandusky's reputation in the process), he reported the information up his chain of command to a superior who actually had the manpower to order a full investigation.
Paterno's failure was that he did not follow up on his report.
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I didnt say he didnt.... you moron. I said that I would've done what he did, and more. Because, rape is serious. But I guess it's just a joke to you.
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On January 23 2012 03:53 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it. When you dont completely understand what you were explained but you report the incident to people who should I struggle to see how thats not doing all he can. I do find it odd that he didnt understand what exactly child molestation is but I can accept that its a generational thing since it wasnt really reported on back in his generation.
Oh come on. He didn't understand what exactly child molestation is? Really?
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I'll just go back to lurking. Apparently everyone on TL these days is a fucking Google-Human hybrid.
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On January 23 2012 03:57 Brosy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:55 kcaz wrote:
All I'm saying, is that if I knew someone was getting raped, I'd alert the higher ups (If I was in a school etc.) And call the police so that it ends, and that noone else experiences what the others did. And don't gimme this BS about your friends sister getting raped lalala bullshit. Everyone knows rape is serious, and I'm not trying to underplay it. But if he thought the situation was serious as it was, he would've done more ... He did report the situation to his higher ups. And you are and ignorant little piece of shit. Go fuck off
And then when they did nothing he just sat there and allowed Sandusky to do as he pleased. He even spoke for the guy at a children's charity.
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On January 23 2012 03:59 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:53 Adreme wrote:On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it. When you dont completely understand what you were explained but you report the incident to people who should I struggle to see how thats not doing all he can. I do find it odd that he didnt understand what exactly child molestation is but I can accept that its a generational thing since it wasnt really reported on back in his generation. Oh come on. He didn't understand what exactly child molestation is? Really?
Ya he was old weak and frail. He was only smart enough to operate a college football program, amongst other things. The words child, and rape, couldnt possibly be part of his vocabulary. Some of the defenses coming up here are just mind boggling.
I think we can settle on the conclusion that he was a good football coach, but not as good a person as he had been made out to be.
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all he cared about was his football team and turned a blind eye to everything else. Even his family acknowledged that his life was basically just football these past couple of years and nothing else. I wish I could say I was sad for his passing but I'm not.
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RIP JoePa
One of the best, the world of football will surely miss him.
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On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky.
he was just the one who ignored it
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RIP, little ahead of my time ofc, but I will always respect the heroes of the past
Not very surprising to die from cancer at 85 though
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RIP hope this guy stays a legend
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On January 23 2012 04:10 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:57 Lebzetu wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Wtf He wasn't the one who molested kids, was he? That was Sandusky. he was just the one who ignored it
I wish people read the threads they actually post in.
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...why are there so many disrespectful assholes in this thread btw? How can an old legend dying be such a hot topic...
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On January 23 2012 04:13 HaXXspetten wrote:
...why are there so many disrespectful assholes in this thread btw? How can an old legend dying be such a hot topic...
Well, if you read the thread, you would know that theres some drama surrounding him, thus, a hot topic.
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On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:Reading this thread was a painful experience. + Show Spoiler +
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family.
I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect.
Did you even read what I wrote? Be careful when accusing people of being misinformed.
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On January 23 2012 03:59 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:53 Adreme wrote:On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it. When you dont completely understand what you were explained but you report the incident to people who should I struggle to see how thats not doing all he can. I do find it odd that he didnt understand what exactly child molestation is but I can accept that its a generational thing since it wasnt really reported on back in his generation. Oh come on. He didn't understand what exactly child molestation is? Really?
I had a great uncle who died last year at 85 who didnt know what the internet was or even what a computer did. Some people just dont focus on things that arent related to them. The interview he gave where he basically said "id never heard of something like that before so I had no idea how to respond to it" kind of shows that he just didnt comprehend what he was told which is compounded by the fact that the details were left out by the person who told him out of respect.
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People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys!
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On January 23 2012 04:15 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:59 redFF wrote:On January 23 2012 03:53 Adreme wrote:On January 23 2012 03:48 kcaz wrote:On January 23 2012 03:46 Brosy wrote:On January 23 2012 03:43 redFF wrote:
The tragedy is that he died before he could face justice for covering up and enabling the rape of children.
Good coach though. Justice? He did no legal wrong doing. He reported the incident to his superiors, morally you can certainly argue that he did wrong. I don't see how reporting what someone told you is "covering up." You are fucking retard I'm sure you'd be this defensive if you got raped by that Sundusky guy (IDK his name).... It's not ok to just "let people know" about something going on, especially when you can actually do something to stop it. When you dont completely understand what you were explained but you report the incident to people who should I struggle to see how thats not doing all he can. I do find it odd that he didnt understand what exactly child molestation is but I can accept that its a generational thing since it wasnt really reported on back in his generation. Oh come on. He didn't understand what exactly child molestation is? Really? I had a great uncle who died last year at 85 who didnt know what the internet was or even what a computer did. Some people just dont focus on things that arent related to them. The interview he gave where he basically said "id never heard of something like that before so I had no idea how to respond to it" kind of shows that he just didnt comprehend what he was told which is compounded by the fact that the details were left out by the person who told him out of respect.
Except he was 73 when he first heard about this stuff, not 85. And apparentely he was perfectly capable of performing his role in the football administration, so I don't see how he can't have acted accordingly with the scandal
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On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys!
Stop right there.
You can say he could have done more, I have no problem with that, but saying he simply LET IT HAPPEN is DISGUSTING.
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I hope Sandusky realizes he was the ultimate reason, not the proximate reason, why Joe Pa passed away. He destroyed a great coach, and a great schools reputation. May Joe Pa RIP, and may Sandusky burn in a fiery pit in hell.
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To quote a man of the greatest eloquence "The infernal storm, eternal in its rage, sweeps and drives the spirits with its blast: it whirls them, lashing them with punishment" RIP Joe Paterno
+ Show Spoiler +This is secular literature for those of you who don't know anything about poetry, or classical literature in general
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On January 23 2012 04:19 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! Stop right there. You can say he could have done more, I have no problem with that, but saying he simply LET IT HAPPEN is DISGUSTING.
He heard about the scandal first in 1999, and was content with letting Sandusky occupy whatever roles he had in the administration all the way until the crest broke in 2011.
So yes, he let it continue to happen, whether he condoned it or not.
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On January 23 2012 04:21 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:19 PanN wrote:On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! Stop right there. You can say he could have done more, I have no problem with that, but saying he simply LET IT HAPPEN is DISGUSTING. He heard about the scandal first in 1999, and was content with letting Sandusky occupy whatever roles he had in the administration all the way until the crest broke in 2011. So yes, he let it continue to happen, whether he condoned it or not.
So yeah, you're saying he could have done more, which I already stated I'm fine with. You're still wrong though. He didn't "let it happen". He reported it and should have done more, thats what you meant to say.
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On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys!
I suspect those people are the same people who made a riot and upsided newsvans after the scandal broke and he get fired. Atleast they seem to have the same mindset that as long as you're successfull at what you do, anything personal should be overlooked once you're dead.
Personally I think all dead people should be picked on, simply because there's so many people saying "oh come on, have some respect for the dead"
Sorry, but respect has to be earned, Joe didn't earn any from me so fuck him and his childraping friend. (once he dies)
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On January 23 2012 04:22 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:21 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 04:19 PanN wrote:On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! Stop right there. You can say he could have done more, I have no problem with that, but saying he simply LET IT HAPPEN is DISGUSTING. He heard about the scandal first in 1999, and was content with letting Sandusky occupy whatever roles he had in the administration all the way until the crest broke in 2011. So yes, he let it continue to happen, whether he condoned it or not. So yeah, you're saying he could have done more, which I already stated I'm fine with. You're still wrong though. He didn't "let it happen". He reported it and should have done more, thats what you meant to say.
No it's not?
By not reporting it further, he let it continue to happen, perhaps indirectly, but he always knew that (assuming it was true) as long as Sandusky was involved in the program (hell as long as he was not locked up) there was a chance he could have been molesting more boys. (Which it looks like he did)
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On January 23 2012 04:27 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:22 PanN wrote:On January 23 2012 04:21 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 04:19 PanN wrote:On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! Stop right there. You can say he could have done more, I have no problem with that, but saying he simply LET IT HAPPEN is DISGUSTING. He heard about the scandal first in 1999, and was content with letting Sandusky occupy whatever roles he had in the administration all the way until the crest broke in 2011. So yes, he let it continue to happen, whether he condoned it or not. So yeah, you're saying he could have done more, which I already stated I'm fine with. You're still wrong though. He didn't "let it happen". He reported it and should have done more, thats what you meant to say. No it's not? By not reporting it, he let it continue to happen, perhaps indirectly, but he always knew that (assuming it was true) as long as Sandusky was involved in the program (hell as long as he was not locked up) there was a chance he could have been molesting more boys. (Which it looks like he did)
Key word, continue.
I'm simply arguing the fact that you said something wrong. You said that he "let it happen". Which is obviously wrong, as he reported it.
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RIP one of the best coaches ever
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People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off.
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On January 23 2012 04:35 cydial wrote:
People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off.
You don't just forget a legened of PSU football. Thats like forgetting MLK for black people (forgetting JoePa for PSU students)
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i couldn't believe they fired the guy in november when everyone knew he didnt have long to be around anyways. who knew it was this short. i thought it was a real slap in the face after a long career dedicated to the college.
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On January 23 2012 05:09 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:35 cydial wrote:
People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off. You don't just forget a legened of PSU football. Thats like forgetting MLK for black people (forgetting JoePa for PSU students)
Your analogy wasn't really thought out was it?
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On January 23 2012 05:09 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:35 cydial wrote:
People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off. You don't just forget a legened of PSU football. Thats like forgetting MLK for black people (forgetting JoePa for PSU students)
The fact that you would make that analogy....no just no. I can't even express how wrong that is
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On January 23 2012 05:12 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:09 FryktSkyene wrote:On January 23 2012 04:35 cydial wrote:
People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off. You don't just forget a legened of PSU football. Thats like forgetting MLK for black people (forgetting JoePa for PSU students) Your analogy wasn't really thought out was it?
I don't know, comparing someone who facilitated child rape with one of the greatest heroes the United States has ever known sounds pretty apt to me
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RIP Joe Paterno. An unfortunate ending to what was a storied coaching legacy he had at Penn State.
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You have to wonder how that whole scandal effected him =/
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2012 01:17 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 00:56 shizna wrote:
never heard of him, so i looked on google.
didn't recognise him by looks, so i read about him...
coach of 'penn state', never heard of it.
presumably some kind of obscure sports coach died of natural causes at the ripe age of 85.
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. i somehow agree to this. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:02 Kiyo. wrote:
at the risk of sounding insensitive, is this 'news' ? because it certainly doesn't make interesting discussion. Was probably one of the top 5 most famous college football coaches ever. He coached the same team for 46 years and was consistently near the top. is college football any popular besides colleges in the US? this confuses me somehow, why is something popular when its not "pro"? €: and as i read here he supported childrape somewhat. my sadness level fell from 0 to -1 User was temp banned for this post.
Gotta love all of the "Ive never heard of him before so he must be a nobody" posts. You all do realize there are a shitload of famous people youve never heard of before right?
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On January 23 2012 03:41 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:37 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect. Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school. to the best of our knowledge........ no he didn't. Stop lying. im sure he saw him around campus with children and knew he still had access to the facilities. but to say he himself saw sandusky and children getting out of showers together is an outright lie at this time. Think before you post.
1) He saw Sandusky going around campus with kids all the time
2) Since he was his boss at the time of his firing, he knew the concessions he got, i.e. he knew Sandusky had access to all the campus facilities at all times
And all this was happening for 10 years heh... sure he knew, he just chose to protect the reputation of his college football program over the wellbeing of the kids.
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I'll avoid telling my personal distaste for the guy, but he was a great coach.
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On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed.
Yeah, kind of silly people are being banned for speaking out about this guy. College football must be a big deal to some mods.
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On January 23 2012 05:46 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. Yeah, kind of silly people are being banned for speaking out about this guy. College football must be a big deal to some mods.
Seriously, wtf is going on here?
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On January 23 2012 05:50 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:46 HazMat wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. Yeah, kind of silly people are being banned for speaking out about this guy. College football must be a big deal to some mods. Seriously, wtf is going on here?
If you'd look, almost every ban has been for calling another user a "fucking retard" or something along those lines. Also one guy posted nothing but a link.
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It seems like there is a decent crowd of people here who are making comments without knowing fully about who Joe Paterno is, why he's an incredibly important figure in American sports and culture, and why his death, particularly in light of the last several months, means quite a lot. Hopefully I can help put things in perspective for those in need of more information and education about the situation.
Joe Paterno was a football (the American kind) coach at Penn State University for 46 years. In modern American Division I College athletics, that length of tenure is practically unheard of. The Division I NCAA athletic system is so corrupt now, with schools so focused on making money and finding ways to cheat the system (making up fake classes for players to take, falsifying testing scores, making illegal payoffs to recruiters and players, and so on) that it's practically criminal. In an era where coaches do anything to get a good player, Joe Paterno went completely against that wave. The Penn State football program continually posted graduation rates of players far higher than other comparable institutions while remaining competitive and relevant. For example, a 2009 study showed that the 2002-2003 entering class of football players he recruited graduated at an 89% rate compared with the dismal 55% average of other Division I schools that year. His teams also continually had an exceptional rate of players being selected for national academic achievement among student-athletes as well as to the school's Dean's List. He and his wife gave over $4 million to the school and helped raise $13.5 million for the university library.
For decades, as more and more schools got nailed for recruiting and academic violations and college football's integrity became more and more laughable, Paterno's record continued to stand out. However, in November last year, news broke out about the covering up of alleged child sexual abuse by one of Paterno's longtime assistant coaches, Jerry Sandusky. It came out that, in 2002, Paterno was told by another assistant coach that he saw a boy being subjected to anal intercourse by Sandusky in a locker room shower. Paterno told two of his immediate superiors (who are currently indicted for covering up the allegations) about this incident, though he did not go directly to the police about it. Though he was never charged with a crime, Paterno was fired on November 9 last year.
So, there are a lot of things going on about this story - not just someone's death, but someone's death in light of what he stood for for so long, how quickly his image, reputation, life, and the incalculable amount of good work he did for so many people so quickly got thrown into chaos, how sudden his health failed and he died after falling so far, and what it means going forward about a culture that means a lot to a huge amount of the American population.
Say what you will about his flaws, as he certainly had some, though as is the case with anyone who is important to a lot of people, be respectful, and take it upon yourself to educate yourself about the situation before making incendiary or uninformed statements.
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On January 23 2012 05:38 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:41 Sadist wrote:On January 23 2012 03:37 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect. Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school. to the best of our knowledge........ no he didn't. Stop lying. im sure he saw him around campus with children and knew he still had access to the facilities. but to say he himself saw sandusky and children getting out of showers together is an outright lie at this time. Think before you post. 1) He saw Sandusky going around campus with kids all the time 2) Since he was his boss at the time of his firing, he knew the concessions he got, i.e. he knew Sandusky had access to all the campus facilities at all times And all this was happening for 10 years heh... sure he knew, he just chose to protect the reputation of his college football program over the wellbeing of the kids.
you insinuated that he saw them coming in and out of showers together.
That is completely and utterly false considering what we know at this time.
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Respect to the dead as an absolutist principle to be enforced on all occasions is stupid. Whitewashing over allegations that he failed in his duty of care to his charges because he was a 'great football coach' is absolutely obscene. The mindset that an ability to organise a sports team well can put somebody's legacy beyond reproach is just abhorrent to me. I really am one of the least offended people I know, but this idea offends me.
On Paterno himself, I'm not 100% sure of the timeframe. I've read about this in the past but I don't live in the States so my following of College sports is somewhat limited. Perhaps if he's just died from cancer, then the spectre of ill-health has been shadowing him for a while and made him less effective in stopping the abuse. These things aren't always as black and white as has been made out by both parties
TLDR I'm offended more by the principle that we shouldn't discuss the shady legacy than willing to damn Paterno outright.
Thoughts with his family, people can make mistakes and that doesn't mean they are immoral monsters. Rest in peace.
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Tbh its a sad way to leave a legacy like that. He should of done something about it and he got what he deserves.
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I think the end of Joe's life is a sad one. RIP.
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On January 23 2012 05:12 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:09 FryktSkyene wrote:On January 23 2012 04:35 cydial wrote:
People die everyday, Joe Paterno was just another person, get over it we'll all be joining him someday.
And yes, he was ethically and morally wrong when he failed to take action. The common sense alarm should've been blaring out of the fucking ears when he noticed even though he reported Sandusky for child abuse, HE WAS STILL WORKING AT PENNSTATE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO FOLLOW.
He may have not committed anything legally wrong, but morally and ethically he was off. You don't just forget a legened of PSU football. Thats like forgetting MLK for black people (forgetting JoePa for PSU students) Your analogy wasn't really thought out was it?
generally analogies are really terrible and they don't add any argument at all. That one is no exception
Personally I don't care, I think whatever career/image he had should be ruined because he enabled things to happen which shouldn't have. Football is a game kids play, not one where they get molested in. Paterno should have acted and since he didn't, he is definitely part of the problem. People sometimes fail to look at the big picture imo
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People in here acting like JoePa was raping kids or something. As far as we know, he reported the situation to his superiors at the university, and those superiors are being indicted.
Paterno may have made a mistake in not reporting to the authorities what was happening, but it doesn't take away from the fact that for his players and almost anyone enrolled in PSU over the last 40 years he was a role model and an inspiration.
RIP JoePa, sad it had to end like this.
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He couldn't live without coaching... RIP JoePa
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On January 23 2012 06:12 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:38 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 03:41 Sadist wrote:On January 23 2012 03:37 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:On January 23 2012 02:50 BeanwhizzJax wrote:On January 23 2012 02:40 Witten wrote:
Reading this thread was a painful experience.
RIP Joe Paterno, my thoughts go out to his family. I'm so sorry that reading this thread was painful. I'm sure the boys he witnessed getting molested aren't in any pain. On a serious note, why does everyone love football so much? I mean, everyone is so quick to say, "Joe Paterno was such a legend, he spent 48 years coaching a team." Jesus christ, this guy let children, CHILDREN, get molested. Do you guys love football so much you can't realize that child molestation is the most despicable, disgusting thing that could happen to someone? I bet for the record that half of you who are supporting this enabler didn't even care about PENN state. You know, just because it's football doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. If you really want to dish out condolences, give them to the children and children's families. This will be my last post in this thread. The uninformed responses and general hate is not worth reading. Joe Paterno did not molest children. Joe Paterno, heard second hand reports of molestation occurring. He reported it to his superiors as as expected in these situations. JoePa was in his mid 70s when these allegations occurred. He did not even coach on a sideline due to his weak physical health. He took appropriate action. Could Joe have done more? Of course. Did Joe fully understand the scope of what was occurring under his eyes? I doubt it. He's an old man who has not been physically sound for a number of years. I am completely uncertain of his mental capacity to understand the severity of the issue occcuring. IN SPITE OF THIS. Back off, the man is dead. Show some fucking respect for the dead. You will never know what Joe knew about child molestiation, you will never know his thoughts nor the reports he gave to his superiors. He was an old man then, and as a dead man he deserves respect. Paterno also saw Sandusky getting in and out of the school's gyms and showers with kids for 10 freaking years... knowing what he did know and doing nothing then is a complete moral fail. It is just fair for him to be remembered as a pedofile enabler, because he simply was one along with many others at that school. to the best of our knowledge........ no he didn't. Stop lying. im sure he saw him around campus with children and knew he still had access to the facilities. but to say he himself saw sandusky and children getting out of showers together is an outright lie at this time. Think before you post. 1) He saw Sandusky going around campus with kids all the time 2) Since he was his boss at the time of his firing, he knew the concessions he got, i.e. he knew Sandusky had access to all the campus facilities at all times And all this was happening for 10 years heh... sure he knew, he just chose to protect the reputation of his college football program over the wellbeing of the kids. you insinuated that he saw them coming in and out of showers together. That is completely and utterly false considering what we know at this time.
Fine, he didn't see them coming out of the shower together, he just was told Sandusky was caught with a boy in the showers.. same difference.
Are you really saying Paterno couldn't have possibly known what Sandusky was doing with the kids around the gyms and showers for 10 years? If so, I have a bridge to sell you..
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On January 23 2012 05:50 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:46 HazMat wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. Yeah, kind of silly people are being banned for speaking out about this guy. College football must be a big deal to some mods. Seriously, wtf is going on here?
nothing is going on. I was probably one of the most vocal against this coach but i didn't call ppl retards so i didn't get banned.
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Can't believe so many people are getting banned for telling the truth. Mods need to stop being retards and allow people to continue to tell the truth about this guy. He may be dead, but that doesn't mean he all of the sudden is a great person now. Giving him a pass just because he's famous and coached a long time is disgusting.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 23 2012 18:09 Hyuzak wrote:
Can't believe so many people are getting banned for telling the truth. Mods need to stop being retards and allow people to continue to tell the truth about this guy. He may be dead, but that doesn't mean he all of the sudden is a great person now. Giving him a pass just because he's famous and coached a long time is disgusting.
they didn't give him a pass. only ppl that got banned are the ones that went over the line. You know what they say right ? don't like it ? GTFO
I'm sure calling mods retards will go over well, cya.
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On January 23 2012 17:50 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:50 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 05:46 HazMat wrote:On January 23 2012 01:21 Nizaris wrote:On January 23 2012 01:19 Dispersion wrote:On January 23 2012 00:48 big_boat wrote:
Extremely glad he's gone. Call him a legend all you want, but he was a horrible person. Get out. This man made Penn State what it is. RIP Penn State what it is: a college where it was OK to sexually abuse boys, if you were the coach. I can safely say that he won't be missed. Yeah, kind of silly people are being banned for speaking out about this guy. College football must be a big deal to some mods. Seriously, wtf is going on here? nothing is going on. I was probably one of the most vocal against this coach but i didn't call ppl retards so i didn't get banned.
I think the question was more about how his defenders are getting away with it.
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On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys!
You clearly don't know anything about Joe Paterno. First off on the issue of the scandal, he did everything he was supposed do. He contacted his superiors AND the head of the penn state police. Joe Paterno didn't even know the full extent of what was happening because "out of respect" for him Miike McQueary didn't tell him exactly what he saw, just told him some vague things, but Paterno still did everything he was legally and morally required to do there.
And outside of football Joe Paterno is a legend too. The hospital he died in, guess who paid for the damn thing? Do you have any idea how much money Joe donated not only to Penn State but to charities and hospitals and things of the sort? He kept barely any of his salary, and gave it all back to the school, the community, and to people who needed it. The man lived in a tiny tiny house while making millions of dollars because he thought his money was better of spent helping people.
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People are very ignorant. The man made Penn State what it is. R.I.P a legend and a great man. He was a family friend so he will be missed dearly, and by all. Very sad he is gone
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one of the most recognizable faces in football, will be remembered & respected.
it's a shame there are so many children who don't know what maturity or respect are.
karma, people.
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On January 23 2012 18:34 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! You clearly don't know anything about Joe Paterno. First off on the issue of the scandal, he did everything he was supposed do. He contacted his superiors AND the head of the penn state police. Joe Paterno didn't even know the full extent of what was happening because "out of respect" for him Miike McQueary didn't tell him exactly what he saw, just told him some vague things, but Paterno still did everything he was legally and morally required to do there. And outside of football Joe Paterno is a legend too. The hospital he died in, guess who paid for the damn thing? Do you have any idea how much money Joe donated not only to Penn State but to charities and hospitals and things of the sort? He kept barely any of his salary, and gave it all back to the school, the community, and to people who needed it. The man lived in a tiny tiny house while making millions of dollars because he thought his money was better of spent helping people.
his legacy has been permanently scarred by sandusky. whatever he did prior to this is lost unfortunately. and it is painfully obvious that he did what was "legally" supposed to be done. the legitimate facts about what happened following the assistant coach letting paterno know, he let the school know. That is it. That was the only legal obligation he had and he fulfilled it but he didn't bring up any moral obligations. its unfortunate that he died and my condolences but pelase don't say that he morally did everything that he was supposed to do. It isn't true and there were a lot of people who suffered following this.
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On January 23 2012 18:43 lightrise wrote:
People are very ignorant. The man made Penn State what it is. R.I.P a legend and a great man. He was a family friend so he will be missed dearly, and by all. Very sad he is gone
You are very ignorant. He made Penn State what it is, a place where it was ok to sexual assault boys if you were an assistant coach. I can safely say he won't be missed.
Such disregard for the victims is disgusting. Would you have been so insensitive if you/your son got raped ? I doubt it.
On January 23 2012 18:53 fumikey wrote:
one of the most recognizable faces in football, will be remembered & respected.
it's a shame there are so many children who don't know what maturity or respect are.
karma, people.
It's a shame you value football over pedophilia. Ppl like you need to get their priorities straight. He will be remember as a criminal who willfully let little boys be raped.
BTW i'm 30. Karma, come get me bro.
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If I were Joe Pa I would have stopped Sandusky. If I were a billionaire I would donate all my money to poor people and make a difference in the world. If I were drafted to war I would be an honorable soldier and never commit any atrocities. Wow, I just realized I am such a great human being when I have the benefit of hindsight and hypothetical situations. Now I am going to pat myself on the back for being so awesome.
A lot of other people could have stopped Sandusky that also didn't. It seems that would not make Joe Pa the worst person ever, but just another average person that also didn't do enough. It also means his integrity didn't rise above everyone else's and allow him to do the right thing. Again, just average, and for that I don't feel the need to honor his passing, but I also don't feel the need to piss on his grave.
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On January 23 2012 03:57 Brosy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 03:55 kcaz wrote:
All I'm saying, is that if I knew someone was getting raped, I'd alert the higher ups (If I was in a school etc.) And call the police so that it ends, and that noone else experiences what the others did. And don't gimme this BS about your friends sister getting raped lalala bullshit. Everyone knows rape is serious, and I'm not trying to underplay it. But if he thought the situation was serious as it was, he would've done more ... He did report the situation to his higher ups. And you are and ignorant little piece of shit. Go fuck off User was warned for this post
Obviously he was not a child molestor, and as you say, he alerted his superiors. But surely the reasonable thing to have done would be perhaps the week after ask his superiors if they followed up on the whole child rape thing, and when they obviously haven't, the only non-culpable thing to do is go to the police.
I'm sorry he died, he obviously did many important things for his community, but this seems to have been a pretty fucking big omission on his part.
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Simply alerting his superiors was not enough. All he did was tell them, then wiped his hands clean of the situation without even taking a glance back at it. Extremely irresponsible and selfish behavior.
I feel terrible loss for the kids, not Paterno. Sorry, but my respect is earned, not granted.
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This man was truly a legend, sad to see him go.
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As per usual, I find most of the warnings/bans in this thread to be hilarious. But some people who question this topic as "news worthy" actually have a point. College football isn't very popular outside of the U.S. and the people posting these comments are from Poland, U.K., etc. We can assume they know about the Penn State controversy before Paterno's death, but that doesn't mean they can't question why a thread is being created about his death.
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I remember the first time I saw Coach Paterno in real life at the Big House in 05. It was surreal seeing a legend like that so close. Watched him ever since I came to the States and read about his history. Sad to see him go, truly a legend in his community.
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the hating in this thread pisses me off to no end. the guy was extremely charitable and is a legendary head coach. he will be missed RIP
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On January 23 2012 23:10 TheToaster wrote:
As per usual, I find most of the warnings/bans in this thread to be hilarious. But some people who question this topic as "news worthy" actually have a point. College football isn't very popular outside of the U.S. and the people posting these comments are from Poland, U.K., etc. We can assume they know about the Penn State controversy before Paterno's death, but that doesn't mean they can't question why a thread is being created about his death.
Given that the op is a truly respected member of the community should validate the reason why it warrants a thread. Other peoples deaths have warranted their own thread. Its just a shame that he had to pass away with this storm brewing around him. That and if you have something negative and hateful to say about him, the threads not about that, best left unspoken.
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On January 23 2012 19:14 BlackJack wrote:
If I were Joe Pa I would have stopped Sandusky. If I were a billionaire I would donate all my money to poor people and make a difference in the world. If I were drafted to war I would be an honorable soldier and never commit any atrocities. Wow, I just realized I am such a great human being when I have the benefit of hindsight and hypothetical situations. Now I am going to pat myself on the back for being so awesome.
A lot of other people could have stopped Sandusky that also didn't. It seems that would not make Joe Pa the worst person ever, but just another average person that also didn't do enough. It also means his integrity didn't rise above everyone else's and allow him to do the right thing. Again, just average, and for that I don't feel the need to honor his passing, but I also don't feel the need to piss on his grave.
Exactly.
He did great things... but sadly, letting that go without alerting the police or going to the media, destroyed is reputation. And it was deserved. He valued the school reputation more than those kids. Yes, a lot of people could have stopped Sandusky and did not. I would have puted them in the same boat but I just don't know them...
He had the power to stop all this. To save so many kids... but he didn't. And for that, I feel no sympathy. Nothing he did worth all the life of all those boys that got molested... I seriously can't feel any sympathy.
But I can see why some people are honoring him.
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On January 23 2012 18:34 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! You clearly don't know anything about Joe Paterno. First off on the issue of the scandal, he did everything he was supposed do. He contacted his superiors AND the head of the penn state police. Joe Paterno didn't even know the full extent of what was happening because "out of respect" for him Miike McQueary didn't tell him exactly what he saw, just told him some vague things, but Paterno still did everything he was legally and morally required to do there. And outside of football Joe Paterno is a legend too. The hospital he died in, guess who paid for the damn thing? Do you have any idea how much money Joe donated not only to Penn State but to charities and hospitals and things of the sort? He kept barely any of his salary, and gave it all back to the school, the community, and to people who needed it. The man lived in a tiny tiny house while making millions of dollars because he thought his money was better of spent helping people.
Actually yeah I do know a bit about joepa considering three of my cousins went to penn state and I visit them every year during thanksgiving to watch FoOtBaLl
And no, he did not do everything "morally" required, wtf is wrong with you. He even said so himself.
And guess what, at the end of the day someone who facilitates child rape is not a legend, no matter how many
Hospitals they built.
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On January 23 2012 18:34 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! You clearly don't know anything about Joe Paterno. First off on the issue of the scandal, he did everything he was supposed do. He contacted his superiors AND the head of the penn state police. Joe Paterno didn't even know the full extent of what was happening because "out of respect" for him Miike McQueary didn't tell him exactly what he saw, just told him some vague things, but Paterno still did everything he was legally and morally required to do there . And outside of football Joe Paterno is a legend too. The hospital he died in, guess who paid for the damn thing? Do you have any idea how much money Joe donated not only to Penn State but to charities and hospitals and things of the sort? He kept barely any of his salary, and gave it all back to the school, the community, and to people who needed it. The man lived in a tiny tiny house while making millions of dollars because he thought his money was better of spent helping people.
What the @#$#@ is wrong with you? what kind of moral person allows a reportedly child rapist hang around with kids in the school gyms and showers under his watch for TEN freaking years?
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there is a thread already for the sandusky situation. this shit should not be discussed in a person's death thread, and if you have something negative to say about it, then there is probably a much better place to do it than here. it's just disrespectful even if you disagree with JoePa
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On January 23 2012 02:44 p4NDemik wrote:If so, he did something that almost every other college football coach in america does. His legacy was then bloated in retrospect but he was not a deplorable human being. He does not deserve the same treatment Sandusky deserves. He deserves more respect than that.
I can tell you for a fact from a top 5 college football program in the country with one of the most famous coaches in the last decade, with complete and total knowledge of the inner workings of the conduct office, this would NEVER have flown and has decidedly not occurred.
Edit: Also, I find it odd that people say that because Joe Paterno is dead, that we should have more respect for him. Does the same apply for other more vilified persons from history? Does their passing somehow undo wrongs they committed?
"Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking."Jackson Browne
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I don't understand why so many people are bashing Joe Pa for one mistake he made and acting like that erases everything good he did in his 40+ years as the head football coach of Penn State. Did he make a mistake, hell yeah he did, it got him fired. Is that mistake enough to bash his entire life's work? I don't think so. RIP Joe Pa
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On January 24 2012 00:57 FrankWalls wrote:
there is a thread already for the sandusky situation. this shit should not be discussed in a person's death thread, and if you have something negative to say about it, then there is probably a much better place to do it than here. it's just disrespectful even if you disagree with JoePa
We are not discussing the Sandusky situation, we are talking about the legacy of Paterno, which is fine to do here. There are people who talks about his football legacy and others who focus on his negatives. I don't see any problem with it.
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You can't just write off the 40+ years he had as an exceptionally generous and influential man to so many peoples lives, but you also can't just write off the horrific error he made later in life. Just goes to show nobody is perfect - not even close.
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RIP JoePa. When I was playing HS Football in New Jersey, we actually took a two day training camp at the PSU summer camp. I met him during those two guys. He was such a presence and an awesome individual - a true legend. I am truely saddened by his passing. I know it says that he died of cancer on his Death Certificate, but I think, more than anything, Coach Paterno died of a broken heart.
Rest in Peace, Coach.
~Jitsu
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It's sad that he died the way he did, especially considering how much stress he must have been under throughout the ordeal. I just hope he passed away peacefully.
However, I can not turn a blind eye to his "mistake". It's surprising how many fanboys blow this under the rug like no big deal. Like somehow, a lifetime of college football accomplishments overwrite his willful ignorance of the shit Sandusky did. Sorry, college football pales in comparison to child rape and molestation.
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On January 24 2012 00:48 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 18:34 PHILtheTANK wrote:On January 23 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
People calling this guy a hero/legend is mind boggling. No one can deny he was a great football coach, but when you start calling him a hero after what he let happen...
what is wrong you with guys! You clearly don't know anything about Joe Paterno. First off on the issue of the scandal, he did everything he was supposed do. He contacted his superiors AND the head of the penn state police. Joe Paterno didn't even know the full extent of what was happening because "out of respect" for him Miike McQueary didn't tell him exactly what he saw, just told him some vague things, but Paterno still did everything he was legally and morally required to do there . And outside of football Joe Paterno is a legend too. The hospital he died in, guess who paid for the damn thing? Do you have any idea how much money Joe donated not only to Penn State but to charities and hospitals and things of the sort? He kept barely any of his salary, and gave it all back to the school, the community, and to people who needed it. The man lived in a tiny tiny house while making millions of dollars because he thought his money was better of spent helping people. What the @#$#@ is wrong with you? what kind of moral person allows a reportedly child rapist hang around with kids in the school gyms and showers under his watch for TEN freaking years?
Its pretty clear that you are a moron, and you only have a tenuous grasp on what happened here. Its amazing that you can say he allows a child rapist to hang around, when Mike McQueary witnessed the act in 2002, three years after Sandusky had already been retired, because Joe Paterno pushed him out the door. He didn't let him hang around, in fact after Joe Paterno reported him(even though he didn't know he had actually commited rape because McQueary didn't tell him that "out of respect for him") he was banned from the campus facilities and everything of that nature. Trying to insinuate that Joe Paterno enabled, or allowed him to do these things only proves that you are a complete fucking idiot. Maybe you should find out what was going on before posting on the internet and acting like Joe Paterno is some fucking deviant.
And to the people who continue to say "oh he told his superior, but he should have gone to the police, he clearly didn't do enough." Guess what... the 2nd superior he went to IS THE HEAD OF PENN STATE POLICE. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.
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lots of sad posts in this thread. I'm not defending Joe Pa's actions regarding the whole molestation thing, but it's really sad when in the minds of a lot of people, one mistake (granted, a big one) can erase a lifetime of good accomplishments. he fucked up, sure, but he also did a lot of good things that went beyond football. people need to stop acting like it's such a black and white issue. show some respect for a man who positively effected the lives of COUNTLESS people.
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