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On November 04 2011 07:52 MartynX wrote:
How/why was this on video is what I kept thinking through this. (sorry if already asked, I looked through 10 pages and could not see anything on it)
this wasn't the first time something like this had happened. And she wanted visual evidence against him. I'm guessing people wondered why she was showing up to gym class with huge bruises all over her legs, when she's a piano player and not big sports person (i don't know that to be fact, just trying to make an argument for her). And they didn't believe her when she told them that her father gave the bruises to her.
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On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse.
I'm sorry but this does not compute.
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And people like this get to decide what is morally acceptable and what isn't? This world is so fucked up.
edit: Take away the computer ..... problem solved. But it's of course alot more logical to beat up their own child, you know..... there are animals who are less cruel than this.
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This guy should burn in hell.
This is freaking disgusting...
This guy deserves to die straight up.
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On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute.
Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house.
Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse.
Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child).
Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know.
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On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know.
Yes it is abuse. It's scientifically proven to be vastly inferior to other teaching methods. I do not know why you want to defend you right to hit children so zealously. But it might be time to start looking for alternative methods.
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On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know.
It's people like you who hold back our society, people like you are the reason we are stuck with capitalism and democracy, you are primitive. You are probably religious aswell, which wouldn't surprise me at all. It's mainly religious people who beat up their children.
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On November 04 2011 08:00 Thermia wrote:
...I used to get belted like that as a kid (hell, my parents used a wooden paddle they called "big bertha") until I was maybe 14 whenever I did things my parents said not to, and I think I turned out just fine and thank them for it. I know a lot of kids whose parents never spanked them or really disciplined them at all beyond "you're grounded" and now they just (for example) smoke weed, have bad relationships with their parents, and haven't done anything with their lives at all. That's not to say I think it's necessarily a good thing all the time, but I have absolutely no problems looking back on it and saying "Yeah, I probably deserved that and it was good for me" in the long run.
So why don't we do this to adults, do something I don't like and I get to punch you in the face?
To clarify, I'm not making fun of it but why do people that think it's okey to beat kids seldome beat adults.
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On November 04 2011 07:38 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 07:20 NoobSkills wrote:On November 04 2011 05:46 Brosaurus wrote:
Why is everyone getting worked up. I know it's hard to understand, but it's a cultural thing. I seriously don't see anything wrong with that video. I understand how someone who never experienced that would be upset but based on that video, it's not that bad. Now he may be a terrible parent, but I don't think that video is enough proof.
On another note, the reason she uploaded the video now was because her father wanted her car back. Probably the one HE bought her. She threatened to upload the video and he didn't care, because he didn't think it was bad.
Lastly, why are people lashing out against corporal punishment but then turning around and saying that the father should get the shit kicked out of him. I find that weird. Human Sacrifice is a "cultural thing" too. Sup? Edit: Also I don't see how getting rid of the computer and I actually mean getting rid of it isn't the actual solution. Being without something because you don't know how to use it properly teaches more of a lesson than a beating. Like taking a way a child's car for speeding, making them then walk to school. Now, the child thinks "This is much harder without Y I should probably use Y properly." Perhaps writing out her 16 page English paper a few times because of the rough draft process might make her think twice before pirating again. So is female mutilation. But hey, it's culture!
When I brought up the cultural aspect, I didn't mean you had to condone it. What I'm trying to say is that the father isn't an "abomination" because he is reflecting the culture he was brought up around. No i don't agree with female genital mutilation or human sacrifice. But I also don't agree that Africans who practice genital mutilation are bad or evil people, nor do I believe the Aztecs deserved to be killed and enslaved by the Spanish for making human sacrifices.
I wasn't saying that you all must accept punishing children in that way, but I think that you should accept that there are places (actually most of the world i believe) where a punishment like that isn't uncommon.
I guess that this story struck a chord with me because I remember being spanked with a belt like that when I was younger. Now I'm 20 and could never imagine throwing my parents under the bus like that, because I have a great relationship with them and I'm thankful for everything they've done for me. No I am not brainwashed nor do I believed I was ever abused, I'm a completely healthy college student.
The only people that know the true story are the girl and her family. Yeah, maybe the Dad's an asshole, but the daughter could be a real bitch also, so I won't judge.
On a side note, she's not retarded. People keep saying that and it's flat out wrong. She has a slight form of cerebral palsy, I have a cousin that has that and he's perfectly capable of doing most things except physically demanding sports.
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On November 04 2011 08:13 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know. Yes it is abuse. It's scientifically proven to be vastly inferior to other teaching methods. I do not know why you want to defend you right to hit children so zealously. But it might be time to start looking for alternative methods.
Inferior to what methods that a 3 year old can understand? Do tell wise masters (directed at doko100 as well).....or continue attacking me.
Also I said that "I CAN" not that "I DO."
But as a parent I am well within my rights to not have you "meddle" with how I raise my children, unless there is a compelling governmental interest to withhold my "right to be let alone."(child abuse would fall in that category) So check yourself when you start saying that I am what is holding society back, and pull your head out of the sand and look around at a wider world that exists beyond your 20 inch computer monitor.
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Don't know if it's been put on this thread yet, but now there's a statement from the judge:
http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/03/judge-william-adams-speaks-about-about-belt-lashin/
It basically confirms my original thoughts I had about the girl and how the description in the video was suspect. The judge provided her with a nice large room with wooden furniture, a PC, an iPhone, and a Mercedes-Benz. Then she went on to drop out of school to work in a video game store. Sounds like the girl was a spoiled brat who pushed her father to a breaking point. The video was leaked when her blackmail against her father failed.
Also, if someone with cerebral palsy can play a piano well and drive a car, then the cerebral palsy isn't that detrimental. She played it up.
Anyway, not saying the judge was in the right here (what he did was absolutely terrible), but now I don't have any sympathy for the girl, either.
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On November 04 2011 08:28 andrea20 wrote:Don't know if it's been put on this thread yet, but now there's a statement from the judge: http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/03/judge-william-adams-speaks-about-about-belt-lashin/It basically confirms my original thoughts I had about the girl and how the description in the video was suspect. The judge provided her with a nice large room with wooden furniture, a PC, an iPhone, and a Mercedes-Benz. Then she went on to drop out of school to work in a video game store. Sounds like the girl was a spoiled brat who pushed her father to a breaking point. The video was leaked when her blackmail against her father failed. Also, if someone with cerebral palsy can play a piano well and drive a car, then the cerebral palsy isn't that detrimental. She played it up. Anyway, not saying the judge was in the right here, but I don't have any sympathy for the girl now.
I'm sorry but that's apples and oranges.
He can take away her PC, her iPhone and car. It's still no reason to beat her for at least 5 minutes. Yes she may be a spoiled brat and he should still go to jail or at least loose his job.
He clearly overstepped and this had no educational value. By his "defense" you shouldn't be charged for hitting your lazy wife whom you bought jewlery for. I'm amazed that there's even a discussion about this.
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she saved it for 7 years.
if she was rele worried, send it to police on the day.. but she rather be manipulative bitch and release on election time...
hmmm..
and we all fall for it 
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On November 04 2011 08:40 xlep wrote:
I'm sorry but that's apples and oranges. ... By his "defense" you shouldn't be charged for hitting your lazy wife whom you bought jewlery for. I'm amazed that there's even a discussion about this.
The wife can divorce. Now, for the girl, she could've gone to the Children's Aid Society back in 2004 and removed herself from the abusive situation. But no, she endured it and set up a video to blackmail him, while dropping out of school and begging him for a car. Only when the car was about to be taken away did she throw a temper tantrum and leaked the video. It wasn't leaked so that the judge could "get help", as stated by the girl. It was done purely out of vengeance. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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On November 04 2011 08:13 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know. Yes it is abuse. It's scientifically proven to be vastly inferior to other teaching methods. I do not know why you want to defend you right to hit children so zealously. But it might be time to start looking for alternative methods.
I hate parents who try to be their kids best friend, and I hate parents who beat their kids as well. There is nothing wrong with giving your child a swat on the butt for acting inappropriately, I was brought up that way and so were my 4 sisters and we turned out just fine and dandy.
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On November 04 2011 08:27 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:13 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know. Yes it is abuse. It's scientifically proven to be vastly inferior to other teaching methods. I do not know why you want to defend you right to hit children so zealously. But it might be time to start looking for alternative methods. Inferior to what methods that a 3 year old can understand? Do tell wise masters (directed at doko100 as well).....or continue attacking me. Also I said that "I CAN" not that "I DO." But as a parent I am well within my rights to not have you "meddle" with how I raise my children, unless there is a compelling governmental interest to withhold my "right to be let alone."(child abuse would fall in that category) So check yourself when you start saying that I am what is holding society back, and pull your head out of the sand and look around at a wider world that exists beyond your 20 inch computer monitor.
Just let me tell you this. If I ever saw you (or anyone else) spank your(their) child I would not wait a single second to kick your ass.
What exactly makes you think that adults have a better understanding of what is morally acceptable than children do? Yes, children make mistakes, but adults are far worse than that. You know what our understanding of morality is? We send people to jail for 5 years for downloading illgeal coyprighted media on the one hand, but on the other hand we let some rapists get away with alot less than that. You can get a longer jail sentence for illegally downloading copyrighted materials than actually assaulting other people in some countries. Our understanding of morality is retarded. Our law system is retarded.
Downloading copyrighted material SHOULD NOT be a crime, yes you in a sense steal from other people, but you steal from people who have too much money anyway. Hollywood is full of shit, they are far richer than anyone who watches their movies and no actor should earn 20 million per movie, it's absurd, actors have no value for society. The really important people are doctors, logicians, or just normal labourers, they keep this society alive. Movie stars are worthless people they don't help humanity survive, yet they are full of themselves and have alot more money than people who are actually useful and who help our society. This is how retarded our society is, we give money to people who don't even deserve it and we put people in jail who refuse to do so. We put some of them to jail for more than a few years and we let people who actually commit physical crimes get away with far less than that. This my friend, is how morally absurd our society is.
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On November 04 2011 08:18 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:00 Thermia wrote:
...I used to get belted like that as a kid (hell, my parents used a wooden paddle they called "big bertha") until I was maybe 14 whenever I did things my parents said not to, and I think I turned out just fine and thank them for it. I know a lot of kids whose parents never spanked them or really disciplined them at all beyond "you're grounded" and now they just (for example) smoke weed, have bad relationships with their parents, and haven't done anything with their lives at all. That's not to say I think it's necessarily a good thing all the time, but I have absolutely no problems looking back on it and saying "Yeah, I probably deserved that and it was good for me" in the long run. So why don't we do this to adults, do something I don't like and I get to punch you in the face? To clarify, I'm not making fun of it but why do people that think it's okey to beat kids seldome beat adults.
Well, like I said, my parents stopped doing any kind of physical punishment when they thought I was too old for it (which happened to coincide with the beginning of high school. I think it's pointless to do physical punishment to adults because adults are at least supposed to be more mature and shouldn't require such extremes. Kids/younger teens, on the other hand, are generally completely dependent on their parents for everything - food, shelter, etc. and should live by their parents rules. I too am against abuse but when a rule is laid out with a known punishment (such as the girl in the video - she clearly knew what was going to happen) and then broken, parents should then follow through with the punishment. Now, the father in the video was clearly going off the deep end with the language and whatnot, but I think that the basic punishment is quite alright, on the whole.
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On November 04 2011 08:10 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:02 Paperplane wrote:On November 04 2011 07:36 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 07:06 ampson wrote:
It seems like half the people in this thread didn't read the whole OP and article. She was punished for pirating, which IS a crime, NOT using the internet. And while the father did undoubtedly go too far for beating her for the length of time that he did, and said some things that I'm sure he regrets, corporal punishment is not a bad thing, he just went too far with it. I agree the OP is wrong in part not in whole. According the reports she was caught pirating some form of software that wasn't legally available for purchase. But you have to be on the internet to download something. Yeah its a bit misleading; but if someone does 1 google search they will learn what the situation is. So if the op was changed to reflect she was beat for pirating does that make the father justified in doing what he did then? Ok, so now if I catch you speeding on your way to work.... I now get to pull you out of your car and beat the shit out of you? I say you, but I don't direct it at you ampson, but its a collective "you." Does the fact that you broke the law justify your punishment? No. Also, how many times must a person go "too far with it" for it to be criminal? You've got to have a serious answer for me somewhere in there. Also I am for corporal punishment. But I am against Child Abuse. I'm sorry but this does not compute. Sure it does. I can punish my 3 year old with a swat on the butt. I cannot pick her up, throw her on the bed, then hit her repeatedly with my belt, and scream into her face that she doesn't belong in my house. Corporal punishment is NOT Abuse. Because corporal punishment (as i was taught) serves a clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action for the offender(the child). While Abuse serves no clearly defined goal to deter a prohibited action of the offender (the child). Perhaps you are not old enough to understand parenthood, i don't know.
Well that is your law. Corporal punishment in Denmark for example is illegal and seen as abuse. If you make a difference between the two, you create a grey area - in which case it is better to ban it all together.
You are still exerting power and force which is bad for everyone. You could try and solve issues through caring and establishing a meaningful correlation between what is right and wrong instead of creating a physical reaction to events which the child ( in your example a 3-year old) cannot understand any way. Violence does not explain. It does not make you smarter or more self-sufficient. It is only that - violence.
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On November 04 2011 08:45 Scrimpton wrote:she saved it for 7 years. if she was rele worried, send it to police on the day.. but she rather be manipulative bitch and release on election time... hmmm.. and we all fall for it
I think the value of the video is that her motives are irrelevant. I dont care if she is the spawn of the devil, what happened stepped over a line and I think most people know it. Just reading the official response from the father is telling. He is so focused on the daughters reasoning and is no way defending his actions. If he thought he had a case for convincing us she deserved this somehow, that would be his line of defense.
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Just let me tell you this Doko100, if I had to swat my child and you came up and acted like a tough guy, id just swat you too. Your posts are really just redundant and stupid. I think the video was disturbing, and one wack with the belt was definitely enough (although I disagree with the use of an object, what is wrong with the palm of a hand?). I dont see a problem with a swat when theyre out of line, when I was a kid I kept ignoring my mother when she would tell me to stay out of the road. My mother would tell me repeatedly and I wouldnt listen. Finally I walked out into the road and was almost hit by a speeding vehicle. My mother swatted me twice on the bottom and told me sternly "you do NOT play in the road". and guess what? I didnt play in the road anymore. She should of just kept trying to "talk it out" with me, until I ignored her again and actually was hit by a vehicle? My point being that there is in at least my opinion a enormous difference between discipline and abuse. A good portion of the people who cant stand abuse also probably wonder why the youth of today is getting more violent, more out of control. You must also consider the backgrounds older generations had to come from, What is completely unacceptable now in public eye (Physical discipline in general now, but particularly with objects.) was completely standard back in the day. My grandfather has scars on his hands from being hit on the knuckles with rulers by his school teachers.
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