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On November 04 2011 03:49 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:43 Hertzy wrote:On November 04 2011 01:28 Inertia_EU wrote:What is worse is that he wont face criminal charges after authorities said that the statute of limitations for causing bodily injury to a child is five years and the incident occurred seven years ago..  Does it count from the day seven years ago, from the day five years ago when the girl reached maturity, or from the day she moved out of the house and became independent of her father? In the criminal courts it matters when the incident took place. So since this event took place 7 years ago, he will not be prosecuted. BUT, if there happens to be evidence of some sort that he engaged in this type of "punishment" with his youngest daughter (Allison) within the last 5 years, he'll likely be prosecuted for his acts against Allison; but not against Hillary. So now he is not only going to be investigated for this conduct against Hillary, but any conduct he's had against his daughter and ex-wife.
I've heard of incidents where some extend past the statute of limitations due to certain circumstances.
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On November 03 2011 21:42 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:24 dani` wrote:On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:
Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ?
I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing. Are they really? I personally do not care what his cultural or religious beliefs are, what he is doing to his daughter is unacceptable and wrong. I'm shocked to read people in this thread are actually defending him. I can understand it if people think of disciplinary spanking as acceptable, but I hope you realize this was not disciplinary spanking but plain abuse. No father who loves his children would batter them while they scream in agony. It's disgusting. Where do you see me defending him, narrow-minded and mentally challenged fellow human ?
Mentally challenged fellow human? What the hell is wrong with you? Can we please keep this civil?
Now as for your response; when did I say you were supporting him? I specifically left that out because you explicitly said you don't (by saying "I never said I condoned such treatment"). While I have my doubts about that, I will not attack people for stuff they did not say. I said "people in this thread", which only includes those who explicitly mentioned this is the right way of disciplining kids. Maybe read more careful next time before calling me names like that lol.
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So she set this up? How do we know that she didn't provoke this sort of behavior? Anyone could flip with enough stimulation.
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On November 04 2011 04:26 riverkim09 wrote:
So she set this up? How do we know that she didn't provoke this sort of behavior? Anyone could flip with enough stimulation.
Against your own child, like that, for an extended period of time? Certainly not anyone.
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Am I the only one who doesn't find anything wrong with this?
From what I saw, she was illegally downloading music and got punished by her father who was a judge. She got spanked on the ass by a belt which hurts, but not a real beating. I got spanked by a belt all the time when I was little and talked back to my parents.
I feel like this whole "controversy" is ridiculous when there is real child abuse going on other places.
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On November 04 2011 04:31 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:26 riverkim09 wrote:
So she set this up? How do we know that she didn't provoke this sort of behavior? Anyone could flip with enough stimulation. Against your own child, like that, for an extended period of time? Certainly not anyone.
TBH that kind of corporal punishment is appalling now but it wasn't so uncommon when taht judge was growing up. It is highly likely that he also was beaten as a kid and grew up with the idea that it is ok to beat children like that. Obviously standards for what is right and wrong changes over time.
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On November 04 2011 04:26 riverkim09 wrote:
So she set this up? How do we know that she didn't provoke this sort of behavior? Anyone could flip with enough stimulation.
Even if she did set this up he did not go about handling whatever she did which must have been extreme to warrant this kind of punishment in the correct way. I do not think beating your children in this manner can ever be justified.
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On November 04 2011 04:11 PolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:49 metbull wrote:On November 04 2011 03:43 Hertzy wrote:On November 04 2011 01:28 Inertia_EU wrote:What is worse is that he wont face criminal charges after authorities said that the statute of limitations for causing bodily injury to a child is five years and the incident occurred seven years ago.. Does it count from the day seven years ago, from the day five years ago when the girl reached maturity, or from the day she moved out of the house and became independent of her father? In the criminal courts it matters when the incident took place. So since this event took place 7 years ago, he will not be prosecuted. BUT, if there happens to be evidence of some sort that he engaged in this type of "punishment" with his youngest daughter (Allison) within the last 5 years, he'll likely be prosecuted for his acts against Allison; but not against Hillary. So now he is not only going to be investigated for this conduct against Hillary, but any conduct he's had against his daughter and ex-wife. I've heard of incidents where some extend past the statute of limitations due to certain circumstances.
statutes of repose are stricter than SoL's. repose are a strict cutoff that you cannot get around, SoL's can be gotten around.
for instance, if this is ongoing behavior or an ongoing tort then the SoL begins to run from the LAST incident of abuse. so if he beat her once ever 2 weeks or one a month, on a regular basis, the SoL would start running from the last incident and basically "reset" every time he did it again.
the example commonly used is domestic abuse. usually that goes on for years and years before the victim does anything about it. it would be unfair to the victim to just count backward 5years from the day of her coming forward and only use abuses that fall within those 5years. (just picked 5years out of the sky)
also, SoL's have different triggers that start the clock. it can start when you first become aware of the cause of action, when you should have become aware of the cause of action, when a reasonable person would have been aware of the cause of action. probably some others i'm forgetting.
as opposed to the statutes of repose (most often used in consumer/production liability actions) that tend to start running when you purchased the product, as opposed to when the injury took place. ex. you buy a can of bug spray right before winter, it sits on your shelf all winter, you forget about it for like 6 years. you discover it on the shelf one day and want to use it. the can explodes when you use it and you lose your hand. a statute of repose that starts running when the product is purchased would in theory protect the company from any liability if the statute was less than 6 years. (assuming no defects in the product and whatnot)
edit, forgot why i came here. they talked about the judge on "the talk" today. it was funny listening to these ladies talk about getting spanked by their parents. obviously the white girls thought it was the worst thing in the world, and the black lady and asian lady were like, "i got beat all the time."
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All of you people who think it's okay to resort to physical abuse/"teaching" when your kids do anything wrong should get some fucking mental help. How the fuck is it EVER right to do such a thing? It's like you live under a fucking rock.
"a spank or two is okay" why would you even do that? Talk to your kids in a good way and make them know that if they do such a thing again they'll get a more severe punishment, take their phone, ground them or whatever. Getting grounded as a kid FUCKING SUCKS and most likely makes the kid never do such a thing again.
He does it again? Ground him/her longer or don't give him/her money to buy funny things for. There are SO MANY THINGS you can do that are not PHYSICAL which will teach your kids a lesson.
There's even evidence that prove that physical punishment is not effective.
All I can see is "hurr durr I got beat as a child too"... are you fucking retarded? like seriously? makes me so unbelievably mad to even read that shit, as if it makes it right... You just use it as a reason to approve of your own physical punishments that you will most likely use in the future on your kids.
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Anything I could say has already been said multiple times already. What a fucking joke this is.
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On November 03 2011 07:29 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything. I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit.
Then break the fucking gameboy?
Don't see how that's hard to understand... every kid has something that they value alot, take that thing instead of hitting the child.
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On November 04 2011 04:48 sereniity wrote:
All of you people who think it's okay to resort to physical abuse/"teaching" when your kids do anything wrong should get some fucking mental help. How the fuck is it EVER right to do such a thing? It's like you live under a fucking rock.
"a spank or two is okay" why would you even do that? Talk to your kids in a good way and make them know that if they do such a thing again they'll get a more severe punishment, take their phone, ground them or whatever. Getting grounded as a kid FUCKING SUCKS and most likely makes the kid never do such a thing again.
He does it again? Ground him/her longer or don't give him/her money to buy funny things for. There are SO MANY THINGS you can do that are not PHYSICAL which will teach your kids a lesson.
There's even evidence that prove that physical punishment is not effective.
All I can see is "hurr durr I got beat as a child too"... are you fucking retarded? like seriously? makes me so unbelievably mad to even read that shit, as if it makes it right... You just use it as a reason to approve of your own physical punishments that you will most likely use in the future on your kids.
By my count, this exact argument has happened at least three times in this thread. If you must debate corporal punishment, maybe you should take it to a dedicated thread. The events being discussed here have about as much to do with corporal punishment as they do with bondage and discipline. (If someone wants to talk about that, maybe you should post a dedicated thread, preferably on a dedicated site)
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On November 04 2011 04:57 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:29 Daozzt wrote:On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything. I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit. Then break the fucking gameboy? Don't see how that's hard to understand... every kid has something that they value alot, take that thing instead of hitting the child.
Why?
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I mean if she just bent over like her father told her to she wouldn't have got it that bad. I know its a natural reaction to resist it, but since she taped this I assume she got beat regularly. This video isn't that bad. Some factors that would elicit our pity more so than another video of a beating would be the fact that she was a female child, her resistance in the form of her screams, which pissed her father off even more.
Basically just re imagine this video with a male child who just bent over the bed and took it and we could have been spared this whole dramatic event.
EDIT: I do not support this behavior, and I believe the father should be punished etc etc. The beating was unusually cruel.
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On November 04 2011 05:14 Digitalis wrote:
I mean if she just bent over like her father told her to she wouldn't have got it that bad. I know its a natural reaction to resist it, but since she taped this I assume she got beat regularly. This video isn't that bad. Some factors that would elicit our pity more so than another video of a beating would be the fact that she was a female child, her resistance in the form of her screams, which pissed her father off even more.
Basically just re imagine this video with a male child who just bent over the bed and took it and we could have been spared this whole dramatic event.
Hey you highlighted the problem. If that ever happens it's not dicipline it's just you doing it to please yourself.
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On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote:
While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad.
For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful.
And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you.
Not pointing a finger but trying to educate all.
I just love how you say don't pull out the mentally scarring because when there is abuse "you will see/feel the effects" things like that don't just go away overnight in fact that this has come out years later would be proof that the person thought about it again. Just to say don't use it is stupid you don't give it much thought when you use that, you see the effects on the person in their life and their day to day business. Think of celebrities like Oprah and M. Jackson(There are obviously more than them.) who went through tough times in their lives,the thing is people usually keep it bottled up and never discuss things that are meant to be discussed openly it's too taboo or we say stupid things like I hope everything turns out ok without putting in any effort and most people just run off saying "I don't want to hear about it" or anything about it just pisses me off to my core.
One thing I'd like to say is I'm a black guy who grew up with "Corporal Punishment"the thing I'd like to point out is saying that it's not mentally scarring is stupid because most people remember shit, they do not forget they can be in denial but they do not forget! I'll share 4 personal stories quickly: 1. I was a youth going to church I continued to complain on the way about not wanting to go to church pissed my dad off and he presumed to beat me while the car was still driving in motion going 100/km on the highway my mom had to convince him to "pull over" and then continue beat me. 2. I remember going outside in the living room there was some big debate on going to church or my brother was being disobedient at the time next thing I know my father jumps onto my older brother and starts punching in his face. 3. My sister was a bully sent home from school one day because she tormented this girl that still lives in my area but the plain thing I remember was that my mother asked why she bullied the kid and my sisters answer was that she just didn't like that persont. 4. I was bullied in the 6th grade right up until graduation in middle school by these 3 black girls I will not use their names. Though due to the history of events across my life I am not attracted to black women at all, I have come to learn the reason why but have never dated nor will I ever marry one, let alone knowing what my sister was like and imo my mother being really incompetent at those times.
My final point if I even had one in the above messes of grammar and punctuation is don't even say for people not to pull out the mentally scarring card, the only thing I would say when corporal punishment is allowed is when you want to "teach" the child a lesson and you are able to ask yourself through logic and reason is this necessary? If you can do that you must be able to ask yourself the 2nd question again through logic and reason is this excessive? If you can't ask before punishment or during then please do something else. All he could have done was take away the computer end of story
We need to talk about things like this openly with each other with kids, friends, strangers, and family because one people get away with TOO MUCH practically everything way more than you think they do. My sister is well of into her career now however not everyone else is so fortunate.
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On November 04 2011 05:04 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:57 sereniity wrote:On November 03 2011 07:29 Daozzt wrote:On November 03 2011 07:25 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:21 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:20 gentile wrote:On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. Unfortunatly for your kids there father seems to be a fucking prick. (I take the ban, dont care) Lol whut? Was a pretty reasonable argument I thought. Where did the "fucking prick" part come from? O.o Actually allready in your first sentence, I gladly explain it to you. Religion does not cause damage it is the people that do (I am not religous at all), but it is Anthropolgy that is the last riddle of Religion (This you dont have to understand). Secondly, you punish your children cause you, yes the "YOU" is important here, cannot reason with them, cannot think of a solution diffrently then resolving to matters like that. You will find one day that you caused damage on you children (I am sure you love them) by not thinking a bit more what else you could do then doing the EASY solution...it works at the end says everything. I don't understand, what is wrong with spanking your kids when they do something wrong (that's serious)? I'm pretty sure when I was 8, the only way I'd listen to my parents is if they pulled out the belt or broke my gameboy. Grounding or talking to a kid seriously doesn't do shit. Then break the fucking gameboy? Don't see how that's hard to understand... every kid has something that they value alot, take that thing instead of hitting the child. Why?
It's been proven that as children age, they see corporal punishment as being less and less frightening. They know that they just take hit, wait, then everything is back normal. Destroying the object that caused the wrongdoing inthe first place tends to have bigger effect.
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On November 04 2011 05:14 Digitalis wrote:
I mean if she just bent over like her father told her to she wouldn't have got it that bad. I know its a natural reaction to resist it, but since she taped this I assume she got beat regularly. This video isn't that bad. Some factors that would elicit our pity more so than another video of a beating would be the fact that she was a female child, her resistance in the form of her screams, which pissed her father off even more.
Basically just re imagine this video with a male child who just bent over the bed and took it and we could have been spared this whole dramatic event.
Except this is total bullshit since we pretty recently had another huge storm of rage when a woman pretty much tortured her son.
And dont even try justifying it by saying she should have done what he told her, if you really think so then Fuck you. First of all it´s been proven that hitting your children does not work so even if she had done it like he wanted to it would not have been a good solution. And in what fucking universe is it okay to punish someone both mentally and pysichally simply because they didnt feel like letting their guard down and take a beating?
I dont even care anymore if I make people angry, you´re a terrible person.
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The physical abuse is not the line crossed here, the verbal abuse is just apalling to me. I'm tired of hearing the "It happened to me and I turned out okay" excuse. It wasn't ok that it happened to you and it isn't ok that it happened to this girl.
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The fucking mom joins in and spanks her aswell. Oh my fucking god. These parents should be locked up, key threwn away and this daughter should come to a family that's loving.
This is fucking sickening and disgusting, some of the worst shit I've seen.
That this girl doesn't run away from home / absolutelly manhandle her parents is wierd. Hopefully she contacts me, I'll help her with both of those.
That just made me so god damn pissed off, ARGH
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