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On January 04 2013 11:40 deathgod6 wrote:
To recap: Drow is a 30 year old who has never kissed or had sex because he is ugly from a car crash. He does not get women because smart people are less likely to, and he is a smart person. However, he is speaking generally and never said it applies to him. He wishes to be stupider even though being smart doesn't hold him back and smart people get more money and have better jobs according to him. But that's a different story.
What?
No, I'm not 30.
Yes, I'm not exactly successful with women.
No, it's not because I'm smart, nor have I ever said so.
Yes, I think I'm smart, that's irrelevant.
Yes, I never said it applied to me.
Yes, I sort of wish I was more stupid, but it's a tough decision to make if I had the chance to make it.
No, of course it holds me back in a lot of ways. Never said it didn't.
Yes, IQ correlates (positively) with income. It's not really just according to me.
Nice try though, I guess? Maybe you could stop trolling now, because you really don't seem to understand a lot.
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On January 04 2013 11:45 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:44 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:27 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:20 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 10:42 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:37 r.Evo wrote:On January 04 2013 10:34 drowisimba wrote:
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I gave my advice and you started trolling me. Who's the prick? Your advice is "I know girls don't look for smart guys." - which is terrible advice. You keep repeating that as if it was a mantra, it's not. It's bullshit. That wasn't really the advice. I made a big post that explains my reasoning. And no, it's not bullshit. Men around 95-105 IQ get way, way, way more girls than men that are 140+. It's just fact. Smart people tend to get pretty boring hobbies, or at least hobbies that don't attract the median people (which most people are, for obvious reasons). They also tend to have anti-social behaviors. Where are your data for this "fact" because as far as I can tell you're just extrapolating your personal observations which are SUPER TINGED with your insane personal bias. Like, none of what you posted is "fact", it's just stuff that you've confirmed through imperfect personal observation and experience. I tend to find the exact opposite, but I'm not going to go around spewing that my opinions and self-tendencies are FACT. I'm sure there are lots of studies confirming this. I would have thought it was a pretty obvious concept, and easy to realize, but I guess not. I asked you to provide support for your statement of "fact" You said "it's obvious duh" real It's up to you to study it if you're interested. I know it for a fact, and was just sharing that fact. I'm not obligated to find you anything. And yes, it is obvious. Just look around you, man. Who are getting laid the most, the mathematicians? On January 04 2013 11:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:15 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:10 r.Evo wrote:On January 04 2013 11:06 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:57 sam!zdat wrote:On January 04 2013 10:52 drowisimba wrote:
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Well, you haven't pointed to a single reason why. You just post your stupid bullshit over and over again. Get lost.
To realize why I'm right you just have to realize the following:
1) Smart people tend to be more introverted than dumber people.
2) Introverted people tend to get laid less than extroverted people.
Done and done. see now you are just trumpeting your correlation causation fallacy and feeling self-righteous about it What? Do you even know what you're saying? Have you just learned the correlation-is-not-causation-fallacy and think it applies to everything? Fact remains: Smart people tend to be introverted, and introverted people tend to get laid less. I mean, it's not that controversial, is it? Smart people also tend to be able to analyze & solve complex situations more efficiently and recognize emerging patterns better than "dumber" people. Pretty much all pioneers of the modern PUA scene for example got their form of success by, well... being huge fucking nerds about it. I guess so, but it's not a complex issue getting a girl or getting laid (if you're not thinking about it, which smart people tend to do too much). Yeah, it's totally not a complex issue, and that's why you've never bothered to deal with it? Come on, dude, just accept that there's something else holding you back besides "being smart", which should OBVIOUSLY BE AN ADVANTAGE. No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic. What I'm saying is that as a psychologist studying for my doctorate I don't just take casual assumptions as social tendency without documented data because that kind of thinking is what gets you into huge shit and makes you look like a total dumbass when your obvious assumption is proven wrong. Provide me with ONE source and I'll completely drop it. Until then, don't call it a fact. You keep saying shit like "fact remains" when you have yet to prove anything. I think the real issue that's keeping you from getting any kind of social reciprocation from women is that you tend to polarize people against you wherever you go because of your unrealistically over-inflated sense of self-worth. I wasn't speaking to you as a psychologist to another. (Besides, taking casual assumptions as fact is pretty much everything that psychologists do). Just a question to you: Why do you think the average IQ is the average? Because, evolutionary it's been the best IQ to have. If you want something to read, here: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.phpAlso, feel free to shut up about me. I'm not talking about myself. Just like the average height is the average height because, evolutionary, it's been the best height to have. Right? RIGHT?
Yes.
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Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man.
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On January 04 2013 11:36 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:30 sc4k wrote:
Where are the data to support the claim that girls don't like smart guys?
There are loads of stupid or average intellect guys who fail at getting girls, in my experience the common thing failures share is a lack of confidence, not a presence of superior intellect. There are lots of people failing at many things. Not really that interesting. It was my opinion. I'm sorry that you took it for fact. (The FACT is that smart people get laid less than dumb people). Also, "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity", etc. (Regarding confidence). 
But are there actually any data which support the claim that clever men find it harder to get girls? Or are you simply making the claim that clever men have sex less or take longer to have it in their lives? Because the explanation that jumps out at me in that instance is that they have other interesting things to occupy their lives and maybe aren't so concerned with getting their junk wet!
From my experience, being someone who regularly pays attention to people around me and comes up with as many mental statistical trends as you can shake a stick at, I haven't noticed a larger proportion of clever people failing to hook up with girls than of regular joes. For every insular nerd you can find I'll find an insular non-nerd, and for every nerd who suffers from analysis paralysis I'll find a guy who is horrified to speak because he knows he never says anything worth hearing and has no wit. From my experience at least. So I'd need some data to counter my personal impression and I haven't seen any yet...
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man.
This is such an epic post, like really, one of the best I've seen on TL.
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To be fair. Drow did cite a source. Though I have not checked out how credible it is, it is indeed an article that supports his statement of "smart people get laid less".
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On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I have literally not said or meant ANYTHING you think I have said or meant.
I don't think I know everything. I learn a lot of things every day.
Stop it with your bullshit, seriously. You don't know anything about me, and I haven't talked about me so I don't know why you are trying to give me advice in the first place.
Leave me alone.
edit: Is it really so fun to troll me just because I'm unsuccessful with women? And what do the moderators do? Nothing, of course...
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The amount of times you contradict yourself is insane, Drow.
No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic.
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On January 04 2013 11:09 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 10:56 Alryk wrote:On January 04 2013 10:02 drowisimba wrote:
See, this is what I mean.
I'm battling people that can't comprehend things. You make your posts that you think has relevance, but hasn't. This is why I can't stand people. This is why being smart sucks, because you don't really belong anywhere. You see holes in people's reasoning, and you cannot explain it to them because they will not understand. It's a bit annoying...
Goodbye. The irony is the grammar error.  No need to be so antagonistic. I'm not from an english-speaking country nor have I ever lived in one, and I typed quickly. Oh, please forgive my grieving error! I still don't see the error in the second sentence you bolded though, so maybe I just suck. Or you. "You see holes in people's reasoning." Nope. I don't see what's wrong with it.
Hahaha. The point was you asserting that "you find holes in people's reasoning" when you can't bother to write your sentences properly. Not that I'm the biggest grammar police, I just find it funny that you say things like that and then make a pretty simple mistake.
Instead of spouting nonsense about how smart people get laid less, please state facts. For example, lets examine some things that could arguably help your argument.
1) There are more "average" people than smart people, just by the nature of being average.
2) A larger group of people will get laid more than a smaller group of people, on average.
Now, from a pure proportional perspective, yes. Smart people get laid less. But this whole "correlation isn't causation" is definitely relevant. Link some proof, as burden of proof is on you. You didn't address anything in my post.
Smart people might tend to be introverted, but then, who do they seek out, if they can't attract "average" people? Other smart people. So even if smart people were uniformly attracted to smart people and "average" people were uniformly attracted to the like, are you saying that smart people are incapable of attracting each other?
If so: I don't know what your issue is. What makes smart people incapable of attracting other smart people?
If not: What exactly is the problem?
Your problem, again, is correlation and causation. Being smart means you can be introverted. Being introverted might make you less likely to have a relationship. Being smart does NOT make you less likely to have a relationship. Why?
You don't have to be smart to be an introvert. Being an introvert is a separate "quality" of its own. You can have smart introverts and "dumb" introverts. Just because more introverts are smart does not mean being smart makes you less attractive. And for like the second or third time, if you still believe that, then surely you must acknowledge that, as failures in normal society's eyes, smart people will gravitate towards each other for relationships, making them just as likely to start relationships with each other as the average person would be with another average person, right? If you wanted to look at specific numbers, then sure, smart people get laid less, but that's because there are less of them. Proportionally, it would be about the same. If you think it isn't, it's because -introverts- have less social interaction (and choose not to seek it out), not smart people.
Edit: I'm kind of assuming he's a troll, but I'm on winter break and the Fiesta bowl is on commercial.
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On January 04 2013 11:56 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have literally not said or meant ANYTHING you think I have said or meant. I don't think I know everything. I learn a lot of things every day. Stop it with your bullshit, seriously. You don't know anything about me, and I haven't talked about me so I don't know why you are trying to give me advice in the first place. Leave me alone. edit: Is it really so fun to troll me just because I'm unsuccessful with women? And what do the moderators do? Nothing, of course...
The "leave me alone." line generally indicates a troll. Drow continuing to come back to this thread is not going to help your cause if you truly wish for people to leave you be. You can just as easily walk away and never re-open this thread ever again.
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On January 04 2013 11:59 deathgod6 wrote:The amount of times you contradict yourself is insane, Drow. Show nested quote +No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic.
Name one.
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On January 04 2013 11:59 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:09 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:56 Alryk wrote:On January 04 2013 10:02 drowisimba wrote:
See, this is what I mean.
I'm battling people that can't comprehend things. You make your posts that you think has relevance, but hasn't. This is why I can't stand people. This is why being smart sucks, because you don't really belong anywhere. You see holes in people's reasoning, and you cannot explain it to them because they will not understand. It's a bit annoying...
Goodbye. The irony is the grammar error. No need to be so antagonistic. I'm not from an english-speaking country nor have I ever lived in one, and I typed quickly. Oh, please forgive my grieving error! I still don't see the error in the second sentence you bolded though, so maybe I just suck. Or you. "You see holes in people's reasoning." Nope. I don't see what's wrong with it. Hahaha. The point was you asserting that "you find holes in people's reasoning" when you can't bother to write your sentences properly. Not that I'm the biggest grammar police, I just find it funny that you say things like that and then make a pretty simple mistake.
Okay? Yes, sometimes I make mistakes. Hilarious.
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On January 04 2013 12:00 Pucca wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:56 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have literally not said or meant ANYTHING you think I have said or meant. I don't think I know everything. I learn a lot of things every day. Stop it with your bullshit, seriously. You don't know anything about me, and I haven't talked about me so I don't know why you are trying to give me advice in the first place. Leave me alone. edit: Is it really so fun to troll me just because I'm unsuccessful with women? And what do the moderators do? Nothing, of course... The " leave me alone." line generally indicates a troll. Drow continuing to come back to this thread is not going to help your cause if you truly wish for people to leave you be. You can just as easily walk away and never re-open this thread ever again.
Ah, so I should walk away from the thread even though I'm the one being trolled? Alright. Why don't you give the same advice to the trolls?
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On January 04 2013 12:00 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:59 deathgod6 wrote:The amount of times you contradict yourself is insane, Drow. No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic.
Name one.
I thought you were smart enough to realize that the line I quoted was a direct contradiction to something that you have said. Or possibly you do not read posts correctly yet claim others are incapable of doing so.
"No, of course it holds me back in a lot of ways. Never said it didn't."
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On January 04 2013 11:56 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have literally not said or meant ANYTHING you think I have said or meant. I don't think I know everything. I learn a lot of things every day. Stop it with your bullshit, seriously. You don't know anything about me, and I haven't talked about me so I don't know why you are trying to give me advice in the first place. Leave me alone.
I know from your self-report that you've never kissed a woman in your straight life and I think that's a horrible tragedy. Look, man, I know you're not going to listen to me right now because you don't like me (and don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like you), but maybe this will sink in a few years down the road and you'll realize that you can have romance in your life. That bar doesn't have to be a 0 when you balance your life chart. You're right about the intelligent people having less sex thing, I'll give you that, and I knew that from the get-go. I was really just picking holes in your argument for fun because if you failed to argue correctly I could just lolol my way to the bank.
BUT HERE'S THE BIG POINT
WE CAN'T ASSUME INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HAVE LESS SEX BECAUSE IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO GET LAID
Maybe, just maybe, there are other things in life than sticking your penis inside a vagina, some of which may be more interesting.
That is not an excuse to completely disregard romance and sex in your life, though. Sex is a BASIC HUMAN NEED which keeps us physically and psychologically healthy.
Take slow steps and move towards being a more attractive person.
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On January 04 2013 11:56 drowisimba wrote:
edit: Is it really so fun to troll me just because I'm unsuccessful with women? And what do the moderators do? Nothing, of course...
Who here is actually trolling you? My troll detector is not picking up any major blips. Also, why would you want to be stupider? Being smart is epic as hell. Plus, according to this study, less suicide attempts lol
http://www.cnn.co.uk/2010/HEALTH/06/03/iq.men.suicide/index.html
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On January 04 2013 12:02 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:00 Pucca wrote:On January 04 2013 11:56 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Drow, we're trying to help you. At least, I am.
You can change your life for the better. All you have to do is get rid of those traits which are disgusting to women and turn an entire forum of people you've never met against you. Stop insisting that you're right with no proof except your opinion. Get rid of the notion that because you're so smart, dumber people can't teach you anything. YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T AS SMART AS YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO VALUE. Your social life is so lacking because of your self-limiting beliefs and your overinflated ego. Just let go of all your beliefs and get rid of the notion of "being smart". I promise you it will help you be much happier.
I know this is unsolicited advice but someone once told me that I should want the best for everyone in life, even total losers on the internet who I'm probably never going to meet. And I do, I really do. I want you to succeed in life and be happy and find love, but you're not going to do that the way you are now. Let go of your ego and learn to accept things that are not comfortable to you, like being wrong and being embarrassed and stuff like that. You have to make mistakes to learn. Either you're the best person you're ever going to be RIGHT NOW or you admit that you're going to make mistakes in life and improve yourself from them. There's still time for you. 30 is YOUNG, and you can improve yourself an incredible amount. There's no comfort in the growth zone, and there's no growth in the comfort zone. Step out of your neat little box where you think you know everything and nobody can teach you anything.
Good luck, man. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have literally not said or meant ANYTHING you think I have said or meant. I don't think I know everything. I learn a lot of things every day. Stop it with your bullshit, seriously. You don't know anything about me, and I haven't talked about me so I don't know why you are trying to give me advice in the first place. Leave me alone. edit: Is it really so fun to troll me just because I'm unsuccessful with women? And what do the moderators do? Nothing, of course... The " leave me alone." line generally indicates a troll. Drow continuing to come back to this thread is not going to help your cause if you truly wish for people to leave you be. You can just as easily walk away and never re-open this thread ever again. Ah, so I should walk away from the thread even though I'm the one being trolled? Alright. Why don't you give the same advice to the trolls?
I have not scrutinized this conversation at all. I just keep on seeing "Drow" in many posts of my skimming of the thread. People are writing blocks of text addressed to you. I doubt a troll would do so. However, in this case if they are indeed trolls the best thing to do is ignore their comments and move on.
Think about why people troll? They like the reactions of how people will react to the trolling. So if they take joy in your battle to defend yourself. Take away their stimuli by either not responding or two walk away.
EDIT: You can't give advice to trolls because then they troll even harder.
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On January 04 2013 12:04 deathgod6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:00 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:59 deathgod6 wrote:The amount of times you contradict yourself is insane, Drow. No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic.
Name one. I thought you were smart enough to realize that the line I quoted was a direct contradiction to something that you have said. Or possibly you do not read posts correctly yet claim others are incapable of doing so. "No, of course it holds me back in a lot of ways. Never said it didn't."
There's no contradiction in the quote. The first "holding back" is in regard to my success with women. The second is in regard to, well, life and everything in it.
No, my being smart does not hold me back with women.
Yes, my being smart does hold me back in a lot of other ways. It's just life, you can't be perfect.
Sorry for the confusion, but it should be clear if you read it in context. Anything else?
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Dating, finding a significant other, building a family... such an appalling ideas. I often don't even like my friends so why would I get more people involved with my life? Yet friends have proven to be useful more than occasionally, and my family is the only thing I would trade my life for. I probably should change something in me for my future self but I'm not going to. Currently my dating life is non existent and will stay that way for now.
On January 04 2013 11:45 r.Evo wrote:
Just like the average height is the average height because, evolutionary, it's been the best height to have.
Right? RIGHT?
So how does it work? I just can't think of any disadvantages for being tall in terms of producing offspring. There seems to be only advantages, atleast for now in western countries, and humans will just keep getting taller. Hmm, time to google this.
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On January 04 2013 11:44 drowisimba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:27 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:20 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 10:42 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:37 r.Evo wrote:On January 04 2013 10:34 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:32 rezoacken wrote:
That's sad but that doesn't excuse being such a prick. I gave my advice and you started trolling me. Who's the prick? Your advice is "I know girls don't look for smart guys." - which is terrible advice. You keep repeating that as if it was a mantra, it's not. It's bullshit. That wasn't really the advice. I made a big post that explains my reasoning. And no, it's not bullshit. Men around 95-105 IQ get way, way, way more girls than men that are 140+. It's just fact. Smart people tend to get pretty boring hobbies, or at least hobbies that don't attract the median people (which most people are, for obvious reasons). They also tend to have anti-social behaviors. Where are your data for this "fact" because as far as I can tell you're just extrapolating your personal observations which are SUPER TINGED with your insane personal bias. Like, none of what you posted is "fact", it's just stuff that you've confirmed through imperfect personal observation and experience. I tend to find the exact opposite, but I'm not going to go around spewing that my opinions and self-tendencies are FACT. I'm sure there are lots of studies confirming this. I would have thought it was a pretty obvious concept, and easy to realize, but I guess not. I asked you to provide support for your statement of "fact" You said "it's obvious duh" real It's up to you to study it if you're interested. I know it for a fact, and was just sharing that fact. I'm not obligated to find you anything. And yes, it is obvious. Just look around you, man. Who are getting laid the most, the mathematicians? On January 04 2013 11:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2013 11:15 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 11:10 r.Evo wrote:On January 04 2013 11:06 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:57 sam!zdat wrote:On January 04 2013 10:52 drowisimba wrote:On January 04 2013 10:50 sam!zdat wrote:
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it's funny how you know absolutely nothing about me
the point is we think your explanation is what we call in the business "bullshit"
of course if you are smart you are going to face some special obstacles when it comes to dating. saying that therefore "girls don't like smart guys" is puerile Well, you haven't pointed to a single reason why. You just post your stupid bullshit over and over again. Get lost. To realize why I'm right you just have to realize the following: 1) Smart people tend to be more introverted than dumber people. 2) Introverted people tend to get laid less than extroverted people. Done and done. see now you are just trumpeting your correlation causation fallacy and feeling self-righteous about it What? Do you even know what you're saying? Have you just learned the correlation-is-not-causation-fallacy and think it applies to everything? Fact remains: Smart people tend to be introverted, and introverted people tend to get laid less. I mean, it's not that controversial, is it? Smart people also tend to be able to analyze & solve complex situations more efficiently and recognize emerging patterns better than "dumber" people. Pretty much all pioneers of the modern PUA scene for example got their form of success by, well... being huge fucking nerds about it. I guess so, but it's not a complex issue getting a girl or getting laid (if you're not thinking about it, which smart people tend to do too much). Yeah, it's totally not a complex issue, and that's why you've never bothered to deal with it? Come on, dude, just accept that there's something else holding you back besides "being smart", which should OBVIOUSLY BE AN ADVANTAGE. No idea what you're on about. I'm not talking about myself. I have never ever claimed that my being smart is holding me back. It's not, even though I would probably be a happier person if I was dumber. But that's another topic. What I'm saying is that as a psychologist studying for my doctorate I don't just take casual assumptions as social tendency without documented data because that kind of thinking is what gets you into huge shit and makes you look like a total dumbass when your obvious assumption is proven wrong. Provide me with ONE source and I'll completely drop it. Until then, don't call it a fact. You keep saying shit like "fact remains" when you have yet to prove anything. I think the real issue that's keeping you from getting any kind of social reciprocation from women is that you tend to polarize people against you wherever you go because of your unrealistically over-inflated sense of self-worth. I wasn't speaking to you as a psychologist to another. (Besides, taking casual assumptions as fact is pretty much everything that psychologists do). Just a question to you: Why do you think the average IQ is the average? Because, evolutionary it's been the best IQ to have. If you want something to read, here: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.phpAlso, feel free to shut up about me. I'm not talking about myself.
Good read man, chillout though. People want to help.
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I'm no longer trying to troll you. I'm being a real, caring person here. I want you to change your life for the better, because your story is so heartbreaking to me. You deserve better, and you can get it. Everyone deserves the chance to love and be loved.
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