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On October 26 2011 11:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:[B]On October 26 2011 09:58Oh come on guys, unless you own a house and a career job you shouldn't be 'dating.' You shouldn't be spending a cent on any woman either, show her the door. Your cynicism saddens me  EDIT: Oh and on the discussion about whether or not you need to be good looking; Imo, girls categorise guys by looks in 3 ways; you're either fugly, ok, or hot. Not many guys are hot. You've gotta be tall, muscular, athletic, handsome, good hair, teeth and fashion sense...it's a big ask. 95% of women will go out with an 'ok' looking guy. It's not even that they're willing to settle; they just go by other factors when thinking about attractiveness. If you're fugly, sorry gents but you'll just have to have lower standards. It's not a big deal - so you're never gonna pull some curvy, gorgeous babe. Meh. (unless you get super rich, in which case enjoy your multiple young bimbos) That's my take anyhow. What? The guy is right even though it is a terrible generalization: having stability, a home and a satisfying career go along way. In fact, you can be a shoe-in to nab someone. As for whether you have to be good looking. My alarm went off. Great thing about being a guy is looks really don't matter to women. I'll steer clear from city nightlife/one night stands because that can go in all sorts of directions. You don't have to be the prettiest thing to look at. Men (here comes the silly generalizations) have it a lot easier when it comes to looks. I'll speak for myself, I know I need sexual tension/attraction if I'm going to take it another step. The female brain works a bit different. You have to accept this. I know plenty of women who like guys who can make them laugh. This is just one example. They look for a lot more in a guy rather than just looks. It's way more complex. Even then, we all have our categories for physical attraction as well: "What do you look for in a guy?" "Oh I like a guy with a nice smile" "I like a guy with a nice butt" (giggles) "I like a guy with pretty eyes" Whereas guys. "All about that ass" "I like a good rack" "I like a good smile" (sounds familiar, no?) Your looks is just the bare bones of attraction.
Seems like you are saying, "as long as I am attracted to the girl I am ready to take the next step, no matter how stupid she is". I hope that's not true... and I can tell you, if a girl finds you funny and intelligent but not attractive, you will be friend-zoned, and she will not be ready to take any "next step" with you.
I believe physical attributes are valued just as much from both sides. However, boobs and ass are easier to judge than how your abs look under your shirt. I do also think girls pay much much more attention to their looks, make-up, cloths etc which will make them more attractive in our eyes than what we look to them.
Take good care of yourself, your looks and your physics. It will help you throughout the whole life, not just with meeting girls, but with meeting new friends, being successful at your job and maybe the most important factor, your health!
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On October 26 2011 11:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:[B]On October 26 2011 09:58Oh come on guys, unless you own a house and a career job you shouldn't be 'dating.' You shouldn't be spending a cent on any woman either, show her the door. Your cynicism saddens me EDIT: Oh and on the discussion about whether or not you need to be good looking; Imo, girls categorise guys by looks in 3 ways; you're either fugly, ok, or hot. Not many guys are hot. You've gotta be tall, muscular, athletic, handsome, good hair, teeth and fashion sense...it's a big ask. 95% of women will go out with an 'ok' looking guy. It's not even that they're willing to settle; they just go by other factors when thinking about attractiveness. If you're fugly, sorry gents but you'll just have to have lower standards. It's not a big deal - so you're never gonna pull some curvy, gorgeous babe. Meh. (unless you get super rich, in which case enjoy your multiple young bimbos) That's my take anyhow. What? The guy is right even though it is a terrible generalization: having stability, a home and a satisfying career go along way. In fact, you can be a shoe-in to nab someone. As for whether you have to be good looking. My alarm went off. Great thing about being a guy is looks really don't matter to women. I'll steer clear from city nightlife/one night stands because that can go in all sorts of directions. You don't have to be the prettiest thing to look at. Men (here comes the silly generalizations) have it a lot easier when it comes to looks. I'll speak for myself, I know I need sexual tension/attraction if I'm going to take it another step. The female brain works a bit different. You have to accept this. I know plenty of women who like guys who can make them laugh. This is just one example. They look for a lot more in a guy rather than just looks. It's way more complex. Even then, we all have our categories for physical attraction as well: "What do you look for in a guy?" "Oh I like a guy with a nice smile" "I like a guy with a nice butt" (giggles) "I like a guy with pretty eyes" Whereas guys. "All about that ass" "I like a good rack" "I like a good smile" (sounds familiar, no?) Your looks is just the bare bones of attraction.
I don't know where you're from, but people seem a lot more reasonable there. In these parts, looks mean a hell of a lot. I go to some event (not anything formal, mind you) after a long day in classes and labs with glasses on, shorts, and a t-shirt? Not much interest from ladies. Do the same but without glasses, and wearing jeans and a nice shirt? Girls express definite interest.
I agree that it's way more complex, but a lot of that complexity goes towards having more serious relationships. In my experience, a lot of the really pretty girls who spend several hours a day looking up and employing every beauty technique and make-up aren't really that sort lol. They, in general, tend to be a bit vain, airheaded, not really serious, over-emotional and have little reason/intellect, etc. You know that type.
If you're going for One Nightstands, how's your luck? then be my guest and have a blast. However, as someone already noted, this thread isn't about that lol. In the rare occasion you find an extremely pretty girl that has her head on straight and on top of that the relationship works out, you struck gold.
That said, as an aside, make-up / beauty care makes a colossal difference. It's not been less than a few times I see a drop dead beautiful date go into the shower, and when she comes out, she still looks pretty, but quite noticeably less at the very least. This is even considering that even without the make-up, there's still the results of daily facial care to be had as well, so the make-up is only half the story. Imagine a girl that does neither? She'd look quite a bit different. Imagine a 'plain' girl that starts doing both? She'll be in that really pretty group, no doubt.
Also what Zpux said  .
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I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last. 
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On October 26 2011 20:00 ThePhan2m wrote:I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last.
Honest... And I like it
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So! After a recent revelation by an ex, it turns out that I date crazy.
And I mean got temporarily committed crazy ^_^.
They are the nicest people though- I have no regrets.
Funny date story:
I asked her on a date, and she was delighted- she had never been on a date before, ever. She was a sophomore in college. So, I picked her up, and her, being really happy, texted her mom about it.
Mom flips out.
She gets angry, demanding texts to stop immediately, call her, etc. Broken down completely into tears, we turn around before even getting where we're going, and I get to drive this crying girl back home. Couldn't resolve it, as the mom said she'd cut off college funding if she ever went on another date. Poor girl.
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I'm a hopeless (yet overly cautious) romantic.
I've only ever had one relationship. It was 3 years long, and I ended it nearly a year ago. For a long time afterwards I felt empty, because it felt like half of myself was being taken. Now, after giving it some time, I'm really glad I had the will power to break off the relationship.
I don't think I was ready for another relationship till now. I'm moving come December, and that feels like a good time to move on. I look forward to falling head over heels for the quiet girl in my English class, or the nerdy girl I always see sitting outside of Math. Now I know I can trust myself to realize weather we would really work out well in the end, thanks to my prior heartbreaking experience.
On October 26 2011 10:40 Disciple7 wrote:I started talking to this girl at work for about a week. Mostly texting, we've never hung out. Then she posted this gem of a status on FB: "If you can't get someone out of your head, then maybe they're supposed to be there " My friend is going out with her friend. He told me it was about me, since I told him to ask. Help.
My advice, not that I'm an expert, is to let is stew for a little bit longer. Wait for her to solidify the crush. If you try and approach her too fast, she might say no because she's not sure. Then even if she does end up totally falling for you later, it will be much more touchy/awkward subject and she may not even bring it up at all! You just never know what is going to go down in a female mind.
I always end up typing way more than I intend on TL =_= I always end up spewing my personal thoughts and private opinions! I suppose it just seems like the Starcraft community is so accepting, it's easy to say what I really feel. =P
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"When you have a girlfriend, then you get alot of female attention, when you are single, nobody pays attention to you"
This is all too true, i started in a university this august, and since i have a gf even before i started i am getting alot of attention from girls. I am not bragging, but 2 have already made their moves and a third expressed interest.
Odd since before i had my gf, it was like i had aids, i couldnt even get a flirty look, like i was invisible. I dont know why that is, perhaps when we guys are single we ooze desperation or release some desperational fluid that the female noses pick up :p. I am sure there is a scientific explanation, maybe Myth Busters should get on this
Good luck guys, either you are starving or you are too full, there is no happy medium
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On October 26 2011 20:00 ThePhan2m wrote:I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last.
it's not good to think that way. you'll probably scare her off with your neediness.
remember. each relationship has an intrinsic "perfect" clock. the purpose of that relationship is to last no longer than the perfect time, and no shorter than the perfect time. in other words, go with the flow and do what's best, and if what's best is to let it go, then that's your goal.
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The phenomenon of getting more interest from other girls when you have a girlfriend isn't really that difficult to explain.
1. When girls see you with another girl, it increases your value. It means you're an object of someone's desire, and knowing that other people desire something is the easiest way to determine its value. Guys do this, too. If every guy you know seems to stay away from a particular girl, you're more likely to be hesitant in dating her, even if you personally think she's cute/cool.
2. When you're with a girl, you have a more attractive personality. Having a girlfriend means you get A LOT of practice talking and flirting with her, smiling, and doing other things that indicative of confidence around women. This translates into your interactions with other girls, making you more attractive. Compare this to being single, when you're more likely to spend your free time... playing StarCraft.
3. When you're with a girl, you're more likely to care about your own appearance. Best-case scenario, you're just less likely to go out without looking your best if you know you're going to interact with a girl (your girlfriend). Worst-case scenario, she's a constant nagger and insists you wear X and do Y to look your best.
4. Your own perception of the world is changed. I'm sure a small part of the explanation is that, sometimes, your newly-increased confidence convinces you that some girls are hitting on you when they probably aren't :-D
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Dating, wtf is that?
All I do is sit and play Stacraft 2.
lol
No, seriously, I have never been in a relationship, but have been in love for countless times, and all the times (ecxept one) it have only been me feeling what I felt.
The one time that girl actually did have some feelings for me, were she in a relationship with my best mate at that time..
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On October 26 2011 20:00 ThePhan2m wrote:I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last.
A hole in one rarely happens but I'm happy for you bro.
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On October 26 2011 21:23 Tyree wrote:
"When you have a girlfriend, then you get alot of female attention, when you are single, nobody pays attention to you"
This is all too true, i started in a university this august, and since i have a gf even before i started i am getting alot of attention from girls. I am not bragging, but 2 have already made their moves and a third expressed interest.
Odd since before i had my gf, it was like i had aids, i couldnt even get a flirty look, like i was invisible. I dont know why that is, perhaps when we guys are single we ooze desperation or release some desperational fluid that the female noses pick up :p. I am sure there is a scientific explanation, maybe Myth Busters should get on this
Good luck guys, either you are starving or you are too full, there is no happy medium
its because when u have a girlfriend you feel more confident and you dont actually want to date said girls, which they get naturally attracted to
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On October 26 2011 22:56 couches wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 20:00 ThePhan2m wrote:I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last. A hole in one rarely happens but I'm happy for you bro.
I see what u did there
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On October 26 2011 10:50 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:40 Disciple7 wrote:I started talking to this girl at work for about a week. Mostly texting, we've never hung out. Then she posted this gem of a status on FB: "If you can't get someone out of your head, then maybe they're supposed to be there " My friend is going out with her friend. He told me it was about me, since I told him to ask. Help. The fuck, you don't need help. Keep texting, ask her to hang out. No doubt she already knows you told your friend to ask whether it was about you. Seriously, no doubt at all, girls tell eachother everything like that. You're in, keep going, don't pussy out, ask her out for coffee or food or something.
To all the responses in general. Am I the only one that views that status as negative? There is NO WAY she should be that into me right now. I think the problem is the fact that I was just talking to her cause she's mildly hot... I have no feelings whatsoever right now, so the fact that she likes me already just puts me off.
I've had a few girlfriends and none of them have ever fallen for me THAT fast. Maybe I'm the one being weird, should that NOT put me off?
Also if this helps for perspective on the situation: I'm 17.
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On October 26 2011 09:13 arbitrationus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 07:51 Amlitzer wrote:
I don't mean to be insulting, but you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. I can easily score a 300 on my APFT, weight lift 3 times a week, and have only a 7% bf. Your looks matter very little when it comes to girls. Girls don't date guys because they actually like us, they do it to prove their worth their their girl friends. Why do you think a girl who so easily before rejected you will all of a sudden be all over you when she sees you with a hot girl? If you want a hot girlfriend, the best thing to do is either pay a hot girl to pretend to be your girlfriend or pay some high status rich frat boys to let you hang out with them. That will show off your status and thus your worth to females. I would respond with another page tearing apart everything you said, but Cedstick and Chinesewife seem to have handled you already, lol. So Ill keep it simple: 1) I doubt you would've said anything you did if what you told us about your physique, test scores, and overall appeal were true. Perhaps on Mars, where Martian women do not find physical appearance attractive but instead find psyonic potential as the most arousing quality, you would be right. But to this day, I havent met a single Earthbound girl who has not found a physically attractive man to be, well, attractive. 2) I think your remedy for finding a hot girlfriend (paying a hot girl to pretend to be your girlfriend or paying some frat dudes to let you chill with them and be a cool kid) speaks to your knowledge of woman or socialization. You tell me I dont know what Im talking about, and then go on to give the dating advice and attraction tactics of a fat 12 year old in a Disney channel movie. Paying frat boys (which by your post you seem to revere) to let you hang with them? Pathetic. I want to be that frat guy who attracts the girls, not the loser who gives them his lunch money and repulses them. Since Im out of college, Ill settle for well toned and physically attractive instead : ) 3) Finally, since both of your sad methods entailed paying off somebody, Im assuming your insecure about your personal worth outside of $$$. I dont need cash in my wallet to know a girl finds me attractive, I got weights and my own grit and determination for that. Its a sad sad day when a man has to lean on everything but himself to be attractive. Remove the crutch and THEN examine whether your genuinely attractive or not. This is why I believe, with all due respect, that your the one here who knows absolutly nothing about woman or anything outside of a Spawning Pool. Stop pretending to be a warrior behind a keyboard, get up pick up a dumbell and prove your worth instead of always trying to buy it, you marshmellow you.
Wow, I wasn't being insulting before, rather just demonstrating how flawed your approach is, but now I realize you really are just plain stupid. I'm sorry but I am going to take great pleasure in tearing you apart. Yes, clearly I must be fabricating everything because my example disproves your theory. Great argument there! If you knew what APFT stood for you would have known I was talking about the required army physical examination. I'm sorry all those long hours you spent reading book upon book about dating tips were all for naught.
What is this crap about martian women? Did you honestly think you were being funny or clever? Pathetic, just truly pathetic. I never even said that women don't find men physically attractive, you just pulled all that shit out of your ass. All I said was women date men to increase their standing and show off their supposed value to their girlfriends. Hence why physical strength is unnecessary. Believe it or not, a lot of women don't even like bulky muscular men. Look at what a lot of the top male models are these days; skinny guys in skinny jeans. Maybe if you actually went out into the world occasionally, you would notice a lot of fat and ugly guys with cute girlfriends. But according to you this is just impossible! Well, as I was saying women are attractive more so to a man's status in society. Why the hell do you think every single millionaire has a hot model as a wife or girlfriend?
I truly love how you classify any advice that is not from your mouth as "pathetic". Working out to impress girls? Good stuff! Never mind the fact that wasting money at the gym, spending hours upon hours over the course of a few years to get buff for the sole hope that maybe you will get a girlfriend now is in actuality a really pathetic approach. Never, and I mean never do anything that you wouldn't do in some vain attempt to impress other people, especially women. You want to work out and get stronger? Good, you should do it, but only if it's because it's what you want because you want to get stronger. I go to the gym because I like the progress I make each week, I consider it more like a hobby than actual work. I also have to do it for my job too.
Tell me, how is paying for a hot girl to impress other girls pathetic, but spending money on nice clothes to impress girls not? Oh wait, they're both as equally pathetic. Going to club and buying drinks is alright, but getting connections with people who know hot women is wrong? Frankly, spending any of your money in a superficial attempt to attract ladies is full retard. You will most likely end up sinking a lot of money and with nothing to show for it. However, if you got a lot of money on hand and you really want a girl, then go ahead and go for it I guess. It's accurate though that you said "I don't need cash in my wallet to feel attractive", because with the poor advice you are giving you wont end up with any.
I love all the petty assumptions you made about me, they were really funny. Obviously I don't care about monetary worth if I'm in the army now do I? I've also never even personally attempted to do any of my advice, I just know they work so I thought I would share. I'm perplexed though that you go on about using things as a crutch when you are the individual who originally recommended that people bulk up and wear expensive clothes. Sounds awfully like a crutch to me. You go on and on about your shallow vain physical appearance, but speak nothing about personal character and intelligence. Despite all your effort, your physical appearance will eventually wither away by the time you're in your 40s. So if you truly based your entire "game" off of just your appearance, then your wife/girlfriend will just end up getting a divorce, which brings you back to square one without your crutch anymore. Social status on the other hand, is something that typically only gets higher and higher. Hell, if you really wanted to you could divorce your wife and remarry or take on a mistress.
All of your "advice" basically boils down into turning yourself into a tool. I just went a step further, stating that if you are going to be a tool you might as well go all the way. If you just stay confident in who you want to be, and tell everyone else to fuck off then eventually you will get some respect. The more respect you gain in turn increases your status, which increases your appeal in women. Why do you think the average age of marriage for women is 26 where as for men it's 30? It's because men at that point have careers and most of their shit straightened out and the appeal to women which comes from such accomplishments and standing.
Pro tip; the vast majority of people meet their current significant other either through friends or friends of friends. The whole "hook up" approach just does not work, unless you are just interested in some one night stand (which depending on her condition could get you in trouble for rape).
I'm honestly not surprised you want to be in a fraternity considering the poor quality of your spelling and argumentative skills. But hey, if being delusional makes you happy then go for it
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On October 26 2011 11:48 StarStruck wrote:
What meatbox said was very tongue-in-cheek sort of like that youtube. =p
My post holds merit, if you're dating and you don't own a home or have a career job you're wasting your time, it's a jungle out there, quite ignorant of one to be emotionally invested into a relationship especially if they're in a dead end job and are yet to figure out a plan for their future.
It is easy to defend a rush with scouting, you should maximise your macro first, you'll need to wall off to all women, eventually you'll be victorious, rushing is risky.
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On October 26 2011 20:00 ThePhan2m wrote:I'm 25 and I just recently got my first girlfriend and hopefully my last.
Well done mate, perfect age to start, would have finished tertiary education and/or have a career job and be looking into purchasing a home.
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My girl story.
+ Show Spoiler +I am a really introverted guy. I’m 17 and I’ve never had a girlfriend. I’ve never kissed a girl. I’ve never even hugged a girl outside of my mother. I don’t really talk to girls at all and when I do it comes off as extremely awkward and I typically just make a fool of myself. I don’t go to any parties because I think I will have to talk to girls there and I try to avoid all social events. Whenever I’m with my group of friends and a girl walks up to it and starts talking I normally look at my shoes and just stand there not saying anything until she is gone.
The only time I’ve been around a girl for extended period of time outside of school was when I went to my friends Halloween party last year. Typically when my friend has parties he doesn’t really invite girls and it’s more of a guy’s only thing. This year however he invited a bunch of girls and it was extremely awkward for me the entire night. I remember just sitting in his basement with half of my friends drunk (I don’t drink so I can’t use that to help take away my nerves) not being able to talk about anything. My hands were sweaty as can be. I just sat there dead silent.
Occasionally a group of my friends would come over to me and talk to me for a couple of minutes before getting up to talk or to dance or to drink, but usually I was just alone on the couch not drinking sitting there with a stupid smile on my face like I had just had a really funny conversation with somebody. So finally I get up and walk over to the table where all the food is at. He’s got like some chips laid out and some other snacks. So I start eating a couple and that is when it happens. Four of the girls just run up to me and start dancing around me. I just stood there. There was literally nothing I could do there to stop myself from looking like a loser.
Eventually after like a minute of me not moving and not saying anything they all walked away and everyone at the party was just laughing at me. It was humiliating. I just sat back down on the couch waited like ten minutes and then pretending I got a call and had to take off. That way nobody would think I left just because of the girls dancing around me. After that I stopped going to parties. I stopped talking to girls. And I started despising everyone person I know in real life.
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On October 27 2011 09:59 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Four of the girls just run up to me and start dancing around me. I just stood there. There was literally nothing I could do there to stop myself from looking like a loser.
Honestly, you're doing great not hanging out with these people on some stupid parties! You deserve respect from others and it wasn't silly joke from your close friends, just plain stupid behavior. You got some self-respect too so why force yourself into situations like that?
There's just one thing you should change, your attitude. Be friendly. Not to those people you already know (scratch them), but when you meet someone new, try to be nice. Not sure when do you change school in USA but whenever you meet new people. Learn to chit-chat, ask questions (like what are you studying, whats your hobby, then follow with "tell me more about it"). I am sure I couldn't do that when I was 17 (no drinking no parties no girls too) so give yourself time for learning that.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 27 2011 05:15 Amlitzer wrote:Wow, I wasn't being insulting before, rather just demonstrating how flawed your approach is, but now I realize you really are just plain stupid. I'm sorry but I am going to take great pleasure in tearing you apart. Yes, clearly I must be fabricating everything because my example disproves your theory. Great argument there! If you knew what APFT stood for you would have known I was talking about the required army physical examination. I'm sorry all those long hours you spent reading book upon book about dating tips were all for naught. What is this crap about martian women? Did you honestly think you were being funny or clever? Pathetic, just truly pathetic. I never even said that women don't find men physically attractive, you just pulled all that shit out of your ass. All I said was women date men to increase their standing and show off their supposed value to their girlfriends. Hence why physical strength is unnecessary. Believe it or not, a lot of women don't even like bulky muscular men. Look at what a lot of the top male models are these days; skinny guys in skinny jeans. Maybe if you actually went out into the world occasionally, you would notice a lot of fat and ugly guys with cute girlfriends. But according to you this is just impossible! Well, as I was saying women are attractive more so to a man's status in society. Why the hell do you think every single millionaire has a hot model as a wife or girlfriend? I truly love how you classify any advice that is not from your mouth as "pathetic". Working out to impress girls? Good stuff! Never mind the fact that wasting money at the gym, spending hours upon hours over the course of a few years to get buff for the sole hope that maybe you will get a girlfriend now is in actuality a really pathetic approach. Never, and I mean never do anything that you wouldn't do in some vain attempt to impress other people, especially women. You want to work out and get stronger? Good, you should do it, but only if it's because it's what you want because you want to get stronger. I go to the gym because I like the progress I make each week, I consider it more like a hobby than actual work. I also have to do it for my job too. Tell me, how is paying for a hot girl to impress other girls pathetic, but spending money on nice clothes to impress girls not? Oh wait, they're both as equally pathetic. Going to club and buying drinks is alright, but getting connections with people who know hot women is wrong? Frankly, spending any of your money in a superficial attempt to attract ladies is full retard. You will most likely end up sinking a lot of money and with nothing to show for it. However, if you got a lot of money on hand and you really want a girl, then go ahead and go for it I guess. It's accurate though that you said "I don't need cash in my wallet to feel attractive", because with the poor advice you are giving you wont end up with any. I love all the petty assumptions you made about me, they were really funny. Obviously I don't care about monetary worth if I'm in the army now do I? I've also never even personally attempted to do any of my advice, I just know they work so I thought I would share. I'm perplexed though that you go on about using things as a crutch when you are the individual who originally recommended that people bulk up and wear expensive clothes. Sounds awfully like a crutch to me. You go on and on about your shallow vain physical appearance, but speak nothing about personal character and intelligence. Despite all your effort, your physical appearance will eventually wither away by the time you're in your 40s. So if you truly based your entire "game" off of just your appearance, then your wife/girlfriend will just end up getting a divorce, which brings you back to square one without your crutch anymore. Social status on the other hand, is something that typically only gets higher and higher. Hell, if you really wanted to you could divorce your wife and remarry or take on a mistress. All of your "advice" basically boils down into turning yourself into a tool. I just went a step further, stating that if you are going to be a tool you might as well go all the way. If you just stay confident in who you want to be, and tell everyone else to fuck off then eventually you will get some respect. The more respect you gain in turn increases your status, which increases your appeal in women. Why do you think the average age of marriage for women is 26 where as for men it's 30? It's because men at that point have careers and most of their shit straightened out and the appeal to women which comes from such accomplishments and standing. Pro tip; the vast majority of people meet their current significant other either through friends or friends of friends. The whole "hook up" approach just does not work, unless you are just interested in some one night stand (which depending on her condition could get you in trouble for rape). I'm honestly not surprised you want to be in a fraternity considering the poor quality of your spelling and argumentative skills. But hey, if being delusional makes you happy then go for it
Cool foaming at the mouth bro.
The tldr version of your story: your an army guy who brags about army guy stuff, like APFT and his happiness that Dont Ask Dont Tell was revoked.
I get it, you have zero self confidence and think that working out and looking your best is a "crutch", but paying off a bunch of guys that you call tools to be your friend for an hour isn't. You also believe that getting yourself into better shape is nothing more then "wasting money at the gym", and that because exceptions exist in this world (like a hot chick dating an ugly dude) its ok to look like a total turd and still cling onto a sentiment of hope that somewhere, SOMEHOW, a girl will look your way.
Seriously dude, you just said that purchasing nice clothes for yourself to look good is just as pathetic as paying off a hot chick to pretend to be your pal. Think about that for a second.
No, really. Think about it.
When your done thinking about it, you might begin to realize (as most people that read what you've written probably already do) that your wall of rage amounts to nothing more then various fallacies in logic and argumentation, with the periodic injection of nerd spasms and rage.
Your general lack of critical analyzation tools might be the reason why you began to bring up MARRIAGE numbers in a thread that is clearly about DATING girls. Save your sad 401k talk for the sorry saps that think they can blind a girl's ability to see their weaknesses and insecurities with $$$. If hiding behind Washington is your thing, thats fine, afterall I would expect nothing less from the individual who equips Nickolodean romance tactics in their hunt for female game.
Overall, the approach I suggested has been proven to work in countless coffeshops, highschool hallways, clubs, and generally social-friendly atmospheres: If a girl has the choice between two men, with equal intellectual/emotional/social worth, she will ALWAYS throw her attention first and foremost at the feet of the man WHO LOOKS BETTER. The truth hurts. Whether you continue to prowl the landscapes of the delusional existence you call your life, or accept this stark reality is completely up to you soldier.
My advice summed up was this: exercise to look better and pick up some nice clothes for yourself so that girls will find you attractive. Somehow, in your book, this suggestion to take care of oneself equates to being a "tool".
Honestly, I couldnt grasp the extent of such idiocy at first. It ached me, pained me to realize that there was an actual human being sitting somewhere in this world typing what you did. But that was only until I realized that this definition was coming from the same sperm cell that said a "powerful man" was one who paid hot chicks and frat boys to associate with them out of desperation.
I breathed a sigh of relief for both myself and humanity, as I realized that thankfully this same idiocy of yours would save the gene pool as it would most likely prevent you from ever breeding.
So in summary, I will reiterate my original point to all the other dudes here: Get fit, look good, and watch the ladies pour in. Its a simple, effective, and proven approach.
Amlitzer, this is your cue to pose several new straw man arguments for me to cringe at. I await your moronic prowess, do not dissapoint.
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