CUPERTINO, Calif. — Steve Jobs, the Apple founder and former CEO who invented and masterfully marketed ever-sleeker gadgets that transformed everyday technology, from the personal computer to the iPod and iPhone, has died. He was 56.
Apple announced his death without giving a specific cause. He had been battling pancreatic cancer. “We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today,” the company said in a brief statement. “Steve’s brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.”
Jobs had battled cancer in 2004 and underwent a liver transplant in 2009 after taking a leave of absence for unspecified health problems. He took another leave of absence in January — his third since his health problems began — before resigning as CEO six weeks ago. Jobs became Apple’s chairman and handed the CEO job over to his hand-picked successor, Tim Cook.
By the time he turned the reins of the company over to Cook, Jobs had become one of the business world’s greatest comeback kids.
The company he founded, was fired from and then returned to had gone from also-ran to technology industry leader. Under Jobs’ intensely detail-oriented leadership, Apple created several iconic products, including the iPod, iPhone and iPad, that have changed the face of consumer technology forever.
In the process, he transformed Apple into one of the nation’s most valuable companies and himself into one of the world’s richest men.
Just Wednesday the company released a new version of the iPhone, the first such major product announcement in years that didn’t involve Jobs.
Cancer
Jobs’ family issued a statement: “Steve died peacefully today surrounded by his family. … We are grateful for the support and kindness of those who share our feelings for Steve. We know many of you will mourn with us, and we ask that you respect our privacy during our time of grief.”
Cook sent a statement to employees that in part read: “Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing human being. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend and an inspiring mentor. Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built, and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple.”
Microsoft co-founder and sometimes Jobs rival Bill Gates tweeted: “Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to Steve Jobs’ family & friends. The world rarely sees someone who made such a profound impact.”
Medical experts expressed sadness but not surprise at Jobs’ death, which followed treatment for a neuroendocrine pancreatic tumor, first diagnosed in 2004, a liver transplant in 2009, and then, likely, the recurrence of disease earlier this year.
“He not only had the cancer, he was battling the immune suppression after the liver transplant,” noted Dr. Timothy Donahue of the UCLA Center for Pancreatic Disease in Los Angeles.
In patients who have liver transplants after such tumors, the median survival rate is typically about two years.
“It’s even more remarkable he was able to do what he did,” Donahue said.
Job’s ability to continue working as long as he did likely was a result of his personal constitution, his dedication to his work and the care of doctors who could help him receive specialized therapies, said Dr. Jeffrey I. Mechanick, an endocrinologist with Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.
In the end, however, even the most dedicated patients have to bend to the disease, he added.
“Sometimes, they just have to say, ‘I’m going to spend time with my family,’” Mechanick said.
Beginnings
Steven Paul Jobs was born Feb. 24, 1955, in San Francisco to Joanne Simpson, then an unmarried graduate student, and Abdulfattah Jandali, a student from Syria. Simpson gave Jobs up for adoption, though she married Jandali and a few years later had a second child with him, Mona Simpson, who became a novelist.
Steven was adopted by Clara and Paul Jobs of Los Altos, California, a working-class couple who nurtured his early interest in electronics. He saw his first computer terminal at NASA’s Ames Research Center when he was around 11 and landed a summer job at Hewlett-Packard before he had finished high school.
Jobs is survived by his biological mother; sister Mona Simpson; Lisa Brennan-Jobs, his daughter by onetime girlfriend Chrisann Brennan; wife Laurene; and their three children, Erin, Reed and Eve.
Jobs enrolled in Reed College in Portland, Ore., in 1972 but dropped out after six months.
“All of my working-class parents’ savings were being spent on my college tuition. After six months, I couldn’t see the value in it,” he said at a Stanford University commencement address in 2005. “I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me figure it out.”
When he returned to California in 1974, Jobs worked for video game maker Atari and attended meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club — a group of computer hobbyists — with Steve Wozniak, a high school friend who was a few years older.
Wozniak’s homemade computer drew attention from other enthusiasts, but Jobs saw its potential far beyond the geeky hobbyists of the time. The pair started Apple Computer Inc. in Jobs’ parents’ garage in 1976. According to Wozniak, Jobs suggested the name after visiting an “apple orchard” that Wozniak said was actually a commune.
Their first creation was the Apple I — essentially, the guts of a computer without a case, keyboard or monitor.
The Apple II, which hit the market in 1977, was their first machine for the masses. It became so popular that Jobs was worth $100 million by age 25.
Talent for re-invention
During a 1979 visit to the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, Jobs again spotted mass potential in a niche invention: a computer that allowed people to control computers with the click of a mouse, not typed commands. He returned to Apple and ordered the team to copy what he had seen.
It foreshadowed a propensity to take other people’s concepts, improve on them and spin them into wildly successful products. Under Jobs, Apple didn’t invent computers, digital music players or smartphones — it reinvented them for people who didn’t want to learn computer programming or negotiate the technical hassles of keeping their gadgets working.
“We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas,” Jobs said in an interview for the 1996 PBS series “Triumph of the Nerds.”
The engineers responded with two computers. The pricier Lisa — the same name as his daughter — launched to a cool reception in 1983. The less-expensive Macintosh, named for an employee’s favorite apple, exploded onto the scene in 1984.
The Mac was heralded by an epic Super Bowl commercial that referenced George Orwell’s “1984″ and captured Apple’s iconoclastic style. In the ad, expressionless drones marched through dark halls to an auditorium where a Big Brother-like figure lectures on a big screen. A woman in a bright track uniform burst into the hall and launched a hammer into the screen, which exploded, stunning the drones, as a narrator announced the arrival of the Mac.
There were early stumbles at Apple. Jobs clashed with colleagues and even the CEO he had hired away from Pepsi, John Sculley. And after an initial spike, Mac sales slowed, in part because few programs had been written for it.
With Apple’s stock price sinking, conflicts between Jobs and Sculley mounted. Sculley won over the board in 1985 and pushed Jobs out of his day-to-day role leading the Macintosh team. Jobs resigned his post as chairman of the board and left Apple within months.
“What had been the focus of my entire adult life was gone, and it was devastating,” Jobs said in his Stanford speech.
“I didn’t see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life.”
He got into two other companies: Next, a computer maker, and Pixar, a computer-animation studio that he bought from George Lucas for $10 million.
Pixar, ultimately the more successful venture, seemed at first a bottomless money pit. Then in 1995 came “Toy Story,” the first computer-animated full-length feature. Jobs used its success to negotiate a sweeter deal with Disney for Pixar’s next two films, “A Bug’s Life” and “Toy Story 2.” In 2006, Jobs sold Pixar to The Walt Disney Co. for $7.4 billion in stock, making him Disney’s largest individual shareholder and securing a seat on the board.
With Next, Jobs came up with a cube-shaped computer. He was said to be obsessive about the tiniest details, insisting on design perfection even for the machine’s guts. The machine cost a pricey $6,500 to $10,000, and he never managed to spark much demand for it.
Ultimately, he shifted the focus to software — a move that paid off later when Apple bought Next for its operating system technology, the basis for the software still used in Mac computers.
By 1996, when Apple bought Next, Apple was in dire financial straits. It had lost more than $800 million in a year, dragged its heels in licensing Mac software for other computers and surrendered most of its market share to PCs that ran Windows. Jobs’ personal ethos — a natural food lover who embraced Buddhism and New Age philosophy — was closely linked to the public persona he shaped for Apple. Apple itself became a statement against the commoditization of technology — a cynical view, to be sure, from a company whose computers can cost three or more times as much as those of its rivals.
For technology lovers, buying Apple products has meant gaining entrance to an exclusive club. At the top was a complicated and contradictory figure who was endlessly fascinating — even to his detractors, of which Jobs had many.
Jobs was a hero to techno-geeks and a villain to partners he bullied and to workers whose projects he unceremoniously killed or claimed as his own.
Unauthorized biographer Alan Deutschman described him as “deeply moody and maddeningly erratic.” In his personal life, Jobs denied for two years that he was the father of Lisa, the baby born to his longtime girlfriend Chrisann Brennan in 1978.
Charismatic
Few seemed immune to Jobs’ charisma and will. He could adeptly convince those in his presence of just about anything — even if they disagreed again when he left the room and his magic wore off.
“He always has an aura around his persona,” said Bajarin, who met Jobs several times while covering the company for more than 20 years as a Creative Strategies analyst. “When you talk to him, you know you’re really talking to a brilliant mind.”
But Bajarin also remembers Jobs lashing out with profanity at an employee who interrupted their meeting. Jobs, the perfectionist, demanded greatness from everyone at Apple.
Jobs valued his privacy, but some details of his romantic and family life have been uncovered. In the early 1980s, Jobs dated the folk singer Joan Baez, according to Deutschman.
In 1989, Jobs spoke at Stanford’s graduate business school and met his wife, Laurene Powell, who was then a student.
When she became pregnant, Jobs at first refused to marry her. It was a near-repeat of what had happened more than a decade earlier with then-girlfriend Brennan, Deutschman said, but eventually Jobs relented.
Jobs started looking for his biological family in his teens, according to an interview he gave to The New York Times in 1997. He found his biological sister when he was 27. They became friends, and through her Jobs met his biological mother. Few details of those relationships have been made public.
But the extent of Apple secrecy didn’t become clear until Jobs revealed in 2004 that he had been diagonosed with — and “cured” of — a rare form of operable pancreatic cancer called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor. The company had sat on the news of his diagnosis for nine months while Jobs tried trumping the disease with a special diet, Fortune magazine reported in 2008.
In the years after his cancer was revealed, rumors about Jobs’ health would spark runs on Apple stock as investors worried the company, with no clear succession plan, would fall apart without him. Apple did little to ease those concerns. It kept the state of Jobs’ health a secret for as long as it could, then disclosed vague details when, in early 2009, it became clear he was again ill.
Jobs took a half-year medical leave of absence starting in January 2009, during which he had a liver transplant. Apple did not disclose the procedure at the time; two months later, The Wall Street Journal reported the fact and a doctor at the transplant hospital confirmed it.
In January 2011, Jobs announced another medical leave, his third, with no set duration. He returned to the spotlight briefly in March to personally unveil a second-generation iPad and again in June, when he showed off Apple’s iCloud music synching service. At both events, he looked frail in his signature jeans and mock turtleneck.
Less than three months later, Jobs resigned as CEO. In a letter addressed to Apple’s board and the “Apple community” Jobs said he “always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.”
“Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life,” he said in the 2005 Stanford speech. “Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure — these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important.”
Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
The man was a genius, and I'll miss him. He was the driving force behind Apple, and I just don't know what the world of consumer electronics will do without him.
Yup, if this is a prank it's one of the most far reaching pranks I've seen, so I'd say it's true. It seems the drive to run apple was what was keeping him alive!
On October 06 2011 08:48 Jedi Master wrote: Apple is the baddest company in the whole world. overprices and bad casual-hardware. hope they are gone in the near future.
Yeah that's really not appropriate here. Have some respect.
Rest in peace. Great man, great visionary. I'll miss him.
Holy shit, that was fast (not in a disrespectful way). It's just, it felt like last week he announced he wasn't going to be CEO of Apple any more. RIP.
RIP one of the greatest capitalist minds of nowadays, and may there be someone who can follow his thoughts and decision making to create the competition that was so good to all costumers.
Guy got a lot of hate, including from me, but there's no denying that he was a true visionary. To think he died with millions of dollars in the bank... Really unfortunate that money can't cure everything.
I never really like apple but he did so much for the world and technology. Turned his life around plenty of times and is a truly great man. Sucks to see someone like that die, the world shall be hit hard. RIP.
On October 06 2011 08:45 Enki wrote: Well shit. Never cared for Apple or its products but RIP, he seemed like a nice guy.
He was a visionary and the lauding that will come out of his death is well-deserved. But he was by all accounts not a nice guy; kind of a jerk actually.
Never really cared about him; didn't really believe the hype; Still don't care now that he's gone. While I'm in no way glad or joyous that he died and I do have some small measure of sadness for his family, friends and fans..
A great speech by him, where he talks about his near-death experience and how it affected the rest of his life. From 6 Years ago. Still relevant. Extremely inspirational --
Never was a huge fan of Apple, but definitely feel sorry for him. He did so much for the company and it's disappointing to see him pass away. Rest in peace, Steve. Despite me not being a fan, he was a marketing genius as well as his development in the field.
I just saw this and posted it on a tech website I go to.
Even if you don't like Apple, not a single person can deny the impact this man has had on the world of technology. He's had a huge impact on me. I've listened to an iPod (first a nano, then a video, then a classic that I use to this day) everyday for more than 6 years, and now use a Macbook Pro every single day as well (and will likely use for many more). My mood immediately dampened when I heard the news.
RIP Steve. Many nerds and geeks my age (thirtysomething) will remember cutting their teeth on Apple II computers, making logo the turtle draw geometric shapes on the screen, and playing Oregon Trail. From that to the iPad and iPhone, you've made a great impact.
Wow man, no matter what your opinion of Apple... so sad to see one of the fathers of the industry pass away.
On October 06 2011 08:53 travis wrote: What an intense dude. Only retired cuz he was about to die.
Was he hiding the fact he was about to go? I thought he retired just because he couldn't handle the job anymore with his bad health/age. Really sucks to know he left because time was ticking away and he knew.
Wow. He was an amazing human being. The one that helped pixar when they did not have money at all, he created the most amazing film company ever in my opinion. This guys deservers SO MUCH respect.
I wouldn't call myself a fan of apple nor would I say I cared all that much about him; however, I cannot deny what an influential person he has been on our technological world. It's a shame that such a brilliant mind has passed away. RIP Steve Jobs.
On October 06 2011 09:01 lightrise wrote: Gonna short apple for the morning
Why? He stepped down last week. Creditors are confident in Cook. Jobs will RIP, and Apple will continue to be ridiculously successful on the foundation he built.
Not a fan of Apple whatsoever, but I must say that what he has done for technology and the world in general was quite epic. Definitely deserves to win Man of the Year. RIP.
RIP to one of the best marketers ever, along with a pretty innovative baddass mofo (don't take that the wrong way, it's a compliment), except for Mac. But iPod, iPhone, iPad, and tablets/smartphones in general, you wouldn't have them without Steve. He spurred an era of innovation after releasing the iPhone.
Also, RIP Apple stock. Just yesterday, they released the severely underwhelming iPhone 4s, and now their figurehead is dead. D:
On October 06 2011 09:06 Torte de Lini wrote: RIP, big shame for the industry. I'm not a apple fan, but I'd be a fool not to recognize their revolutionary ideas and new approach to customers.
Yah treat them like mindless drones who will overpay..
Anyways, does anybody know what he actually did for Apple? All I know is he was CEO and spokesperson, but I think someone else designed the iPod/Phone/Pad
On October 06 2011 09:10 Monta wrote: RIP Steve Jobs.
Anyways, does anybody know what he actually did for Apple? All I know is he was CEO and spokesperson, but I think someone else designed the iPod/Phone/Pad
thats pretty much how every company is, the CEO doesn't design the stuff...
On October 06 2011 09:10 Monta wrote: RIP Steve Jobs.
Anyways, does anybody know what he actually did for Apple? All I know is he was CEO and spokesperson, but I think someone else designed the iPod/Phone/Pad
People, especially computer nerds, should probably brush up on their history now if all they think Apple has done was make a pricey portable music player.
On October 06 2011 09:13 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: as others said. i hate the "recent" apple hype. but no one can deny his impact on todays tech and even society.
RIP smart guy
Agreed. He is the reason why there is so much hype for Apple products.
This man truly did go out on top. He turned Apple from the depths of a struggling company, to the top company on Wall Street. Just think of all the stuff he has created. PIXAR, IPhones, IPads, Itunes. Mac O/S.
He also revived a struggling music industry. If you have ever bought a single song for .99 cents then you can pretty much thank him for it.
While I despise Macs and OSX, I have to thank Steve for three generations worth of beautiful iPods that have brought me much joy and boredom relieving. RIP. I hope Apple continues to live up to the legacy you built.
This is pretty sad and the only thing i can think about from this, is that it doesn't matter how rich or poor you are. You can die at anytime, any place. Makes me think about my life in general. RIP
People overvalue leadership in a brand name company in my opinion. apple had little inovation and even less of it came from jobs himself, i expect the price of the shares to drop because some shareholders are bound to be stupid enough to make a difference, then it'll return to equilibrium when people decide to come back to their senses.
The true question is Google going to have apples as the "oo" on their front page? It would be pretty classy of them if they did even though they are a competitor.
On October 06 2011 09:23 Endymion wrote: People overvalue leadership in a brand name company in my opinion. apple had little inovation and even less of it came from jobs himself, i expect the price of the shares to drop because some shareholders are bound to be stupid enough to make a difference, then it'll return to equilibrium when people decide to come back to their senses.
It's true, but Steve Jobs was a visible leader, a visionary in all senses, a person that everyone liked and very few hated. RIP.
I have tremendous amounts of respect for people who have the drive and motivation to make what they believe. And Jobs did that by creating Pixar and Apple, two amazing companies with a huge impact on technology and society.
Although I am never a big apple fan, I am amazed at his accomplishment and the way he revolutionized the tech industry. Bill Gates might have put computers in every office, but Steve changed the way we integrate technology into our daily lives, from smartphones, tablets, music players.
On October 06 2011 09:26 Catch]22 wrote: How come he's getting credit for all of apples work?
as in most of the companies: everyone does his job, just who is in charge takes the credit of the results.
People make it sound like he single handedly invented the iPod, the Mac, the iPad, the iPhone, charging twice as much as the competition for the same product to create the illusion of added value etc...
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
Don't be trapped by dogma—which is living the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your inner voice.
And most important, HAVE THE COURAGE TO FOLLOW YOUR HEART AND INTUITION. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
shame he couldn't survive until the cure for cancer.... which btw is an extreme form of ecstasy that has been modified to not be addicting or kill u but will kill cancer cells... u fought hard!
I'm sad for people who actually don't realise how importatnt his role in the way we use and see technology is.
He made Apple in the times where computers where viewed as a luxureies made for use only by trained experts and made decisions and investments that made them into what they are today,
He took mobile phone industry by storm by creating the first tuchphone, when everyone else was laughing at apple and thought that it would never be accepted, he was a true visionary and one of the boldest buisinessmen ever born, and we as a technological society owe him a lot.
If you can't appriciate that than at least you can realise that his leadership and influence made Pixar into the company that it is today, and that alone is more than enough to have respect for the man.
On October 06 2011 09:01 lightrise wrote: Gonna short apple for the morning
You're a week late on this, he stepped down a bit ago.
RIP Steve Jobs.
there is a big difference between jobs stepping down as CEO and him passing away. i think this will affect apple's stock without a doubt, they will recover of course, but im just curious on investor's reactions.
I’m truly saddened to learn of Steve Jobs’ death. Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to his family and friends, and to everyone Steve has touched through his work.
Steve and I first met nearly 30 years ago, and have been colleagues, competitors and friends over the course of more than half our lives.
The world rarely sees someone who has had the profound impact Steve has had, the effects of which will be felt for many generations to come.
For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it’s been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely.
Disliked his products and his attitude, but I respect the massive advances he's made in technology. The world has been robbed of one of its greatest innovative and business minds.
On October 06 2011 09:26 Catch]22 wrote: How come he's getting credit for all of apples work?
as in most of the companies: everyone does his job, just who is in charge takes the credit of the results.
People make it sound like he single handedly invented the iPod, the Mac, the iPad, the iPhone, charging twice as much as the competition for the same product to create the illusion of added value etc...
This is not the thread for complaints about apples high margins. You make it sound like he should get no credit for their success because he didn't single-handedly made everything himself. No one develop complex products on their own any more, not feasible. Did you miss the memo from last century?
He resigned days ago! Des anyone else think that's a little weird? Maybe he realized that he wasn't going to last much longer and resigned so that he could appoint the next CEO.
Either way, sad nonetheless. He pioneered technology in every way.
A transcript from that speech: "Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked, there is no reason not to follow your heart."
On October 06 2011 09:38 Jankisa wrote: I'm sad for people who actually don't realise how importatnt his role in the way we use and see technology is.
He made Apple in the times where computers where viewed as a luxureies made for use only by trained experts and made decisions and investments that made them into what they are today,
He took mobile phone industry by storm by creating the first tuchphone, when everyone else was laughing at apple and thought that it would never be accepted, he was a true visionary and one of the boldest buisinessmen ever born, and we as a technological society owe him a lot.
If you can't appriciate that than at least you can realise that his leadership and influence made Pixar into the company that it is today, and that alone is more than enough to have respect for the man.
The best die too young, RIP Steave Jobs.
Getting slightly annoyed at the statements that imply his biggest accomplishment was marketing/"inventing" a music player. I know nowadays the most contact people have had with Apple/Steve is the iPod, but... it's downplaying his role in history.
Regardless of one's opinion on Apple's line of products, Steve Jobs was a visionary in terms of implementing raw technological advancement into the daily human life. We are sadly short handed on such individuals, and it sad to lose one who has had such a tremendous effect on our lives. As a species, we are poorer for the loss of him.
On October 06 2011 09:26 Catch]22 wrote: How come he's getting credit for all of apples work?
as in most of the companies: everyone does his job, just who is in charge takes the credit of the results.
People make it sound like he single handedly invented the iPod, the Mac, the iPad, the iPhone,
People are mentioning only him in this thread and not listing everyone else too, because (in case you didn't notice) this is a thread about his death. But I doubt anyone thinks he did it singlehandedly.
charging twice as much as the competition for the same product to create the illusion of added value etc...
Just couldn't resist adding that there could you? I think I hear that Apple products are overpriced ten times every time someone dares to even mention apple.
Its not just the Ipod, although that is the largest part of it... the guy had a major hand in Pixar, which brought forth some of the most amazing animation films to date.
On October 06 2011 09:01 lightrise wrote: Gonna short apple for the morning
You're a week late on this, he stepped down a bit ago.
RIP Steve Jobs.
there is a big difference between jobs stepping down as CEO and him passing away. i think this will affect apple's stock without a doubt, they will recover of course, but im just curious on investor's reactions.
he's actually right, but there will be a second dip because he was chairmen of the board in my opinion.
While I am not a tremendous fan of apple products, I recognize what an iconic, brilliant mind Jobs was, and how he clearly changed the world with a visionary mind. That is something to praise, certainly. RIP
the world lost a great mind today. anybody hating on him is either completely ignorant or too young to realize what he did before computing became mainstream.
So he creates vastly overpriced products, and then removes all Jobs from America, sending them overseas, where they work in conditions Americans would find repulsive for slave level wages. The huge profits go to the very few. What a man. It's always interesting the heroes people have here in the US.
"Death is very likely the best invention of life. All pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure, these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important."
Rest in peace Steve. His impact on this world was tremendous.
Wow, I didn't know his condition was getting that bad. Terrible news, really smart guy and our world needs intelligent people now more than ever, condolences to his family.
On October 06 2011 10:09 Chylo wrote: So he creates vastly overpriced products, and then removes all Jobs from America, sending them overseas, where they work in conditions Americans would find repulsive for slave level wages. The huge profits go to the very few. What a man. It's always interesting the heroes people have here in the US.
apple made a difference in my life and a great many creative types.. when i was growing up.. ibm and windows were the beasts but they were not for the consumer.. they were for corperate related individuals. now because of apple.. we have access to music in your hand a phone a camera a computer and a internet device.. all in your pocket.. it lets most people do what they most likely do... but also let the creative types play and.. create! thanks for opening so many avenues apple/ steve jobs.. keep making the future become the present.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Were you in the transplant comittee that made this decision? I sincerely doubt it, so unless you have insider info on how the decision was made, shut up.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Without Steve Jobs, we probably would not have seen such a drastic trend towards the smartphones that we have today, the push for better aesthetics and form factors and clean styling. Sure android may have gotten there eventually, but Jobs was the motivator behind how fast it got pushed and how the mobile world turned on his products. I've never owned an apple product in my life but I know how much his influence permeates everything I own. It's sad to see him go at this age but he did change the world on a huge scale, not something many will ever achieve.
I don't personally own any apple products although if somebody gave me $2000 credit non-redeemable for cash, I can guarantee you Apple would be taking a lion's share of it. Just walking around my campus I can count hundreds of Apple products, and possibly even thousands in a single day if I was so inclined. Every third person has an iphone/ipad/macbook of some sort, and you can just walk around and count the number of apple earbuds. To the person who managed to do this, I have the utmost respect.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
These two comments are so hypocritical the irony could be cut with a knife. (who are the assholes? the dead man or the people trying to mock him?)
R.I.P. Steve Jobs. I didn't particularly like the man but I admit he managed to promote his vision to the world and how we use electronic devices today. He was a man of a rare caliber, and he will be missed.
It just shows though how quickly someone's life can disintegrate when they have terminal cancer. At least, he managed to tie loose ends before he died.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
And why was he rich in the first place? Oh maybe because he was smart unlike that mother of 3 huh?
So you believe being rich or smart are important factors in the decision of giving an organ to someone?
The poster you reply to is ignorant and silly, but your response is at least equally ignorant
The thing about him being richer and smarter than the mother of 3 is that Steve Jobs probably worked harder in life to achieve both things; that definitely IS something quite fair in judging who gets an organ.
i admire the leadership qualities that steve had that allowed apple to get to where it is int he world today, but I cant stand that alot of people think that Steve Jobs invented all of these revolutionary products.,
he wasnt sitting on his toilet and thought of the iphone, ipod, ipad, or whatever.
It took an enormous effort of ALOT of people bouncing ideas off on another, designing, and refining to get the products that are so successful today.
He was not personally that much of an innovator, but instead i view him as a maestro of creative business.
Dont get me wrong, only Steve could led the company to where it is today, but alot of that had to do with some of his brilliant marketing and shrewd business decisions.
RIP Steve, your efforts have advanced the world of technologies a ton.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
And why was he rich in the first place? Oh maybe because he was smart unlike that mother of 3 huh?
So you believe being rich or smart are important factors in the decision of giving an organ to someone?
The poster you reply to is ignorant and silly, but your response is at least equally ignorant
The thing about him being richer and smarter than the mother of 3 is that Steve Jobs probably worked harder in life to achieve both things; that definitely IS something quite fair in judging who gets an organ.
No it isn't, being a lazy ass or a hard worker is completely irrelevant in that decision.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Does a salary of $1 matter when you're already worth $8 billion?
Either way, a little insensitive for the previous people to be ragging on a guy who only just died. Did he do anything to you personally Hyuzak for you to call him an asshole?
This is extremely sad, RIP Steve Jobs. He really was a man who built his company from the ground up with his own hands. Many a time he was taken advantage of by corporate and got screwed over. He led a hard life man, abandoned by his parents and all, this is such a tragedy, him dying at only age 56. We can only wonder how the world would have changed in the future dramatically like it had in the past because of his innovations if he could continue to oversee Apple.
I'm not phased at all, Steve Jobs throughout his whole life has made a living off of exploitation and clever marketing. He's a successful guy, but I never agreed with how he did it. He never gave back to charities or helped the world at all if it didn't line his pockets even when he had enough money to buy everything twice over. R.I.P. Jobs, you'll be missed by people other than myself.
Alot of what apple does is for their shareholder, still it always was Steve Jobs that kept up the ideals the company was founded on. Develop new technologie, make work/life easier for every user and make all those SciFy dreams of computers come true some day. Steve Jobs was a role model for every idealistic hard-working man/woman who want to follow their dreams.
On October 06 2011 10:32 Xenocryst wrote: @hyuzak really?? what was so bad about him??? did u know him in real life? can u for sure say ur not the fucking prick here?
He was, by most accounts from people who meet him, an asshole. He wasn't interested in bettering the world like a lot of you morons think he was, he wasn't really even an inventor, he was just another self absorb douchebag businessman who would do anything for a dollar. I don't mean to be an asshole, but the amount of dick sucking happening in this thread is pathetic, so I feel the need to bring a little reality to you guys.
On October 06 2011 10:09 Chylo wrote: So he creates vastly overpriced products, and then removes all Jobs from America, sending them overseas, where they work in conditions Americans would find repulsive for slave level wages. The huge profits go to the very few. What a man. It's always interesting the heroes people have here in the US.
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On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Does a salary of $1 matter when you're already worth $8 billion?
Either way, a little insensitive for the previous people to be ragging on a guy who only just died. Did he do anything to you personally Hyuzak for you to call him an asshole?
He's only worth so much because of the shares of Apple he holds.. I wonder why the company is so valuable hmm.
Understand that many CEOs take $1 dollar salaries. They are compensated in stock and other benefits for their performance. Don't mistake $1 salary as generosity--it's an incentive for (typically) the CEO to be completely invested in the performance of the corporation.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Does a salary of $1 matter when you're already worth $8 billion?
Either way, a little insensitive for the previous people to be ragging on a guy who only just died. Did he do anything to you personally Hyuzak for you to call him an asshole?
He's only worth so much because of the shares of Apple he holds.. I wonder why the company is so valuable hmm.
It's how people "dodge" 40%+ income taxes. My parents are doing the same thing diverting almost all of their salary into retirement.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Does a salary of $1 matter when you're already worth $8 billion?
Either way, a little insensitive for the previous people to be ragging on a guy who only just died. Did he do anything to you personally Hyuzak for you to call him an asshole?
He's only worth so much because of the shares of Apple he holds.. I wonder why the company is so valuable hmm.
The point is he called him rich, it doesn't matter if that net worth is in cash, property, shares, or 1 cent pieces, he is still worth over $8 billion which = rich. If I owned $8bil worth of shares I wouldn't mind if I worked for a $1 salary.
holy god, you guys need to RELAX and stop calling each other names. if you have nothing respectful to say in the least, you can make a thread elsewhere or talk to a random friend online about your feelings over this.
While I mourn the death of a respectable individual, I find it ironic that so many are of this stance when there is a broad anti-establishment/big business air in the world today
To all the "fuck Mac" people in this thread, you missed the point. He was one of the largest pioneers in personal computing. You feel what he did even if you choose not to acknowledge it. And show some respect, please.
Wow. My mom told me about it earlier, I started seeing news feeds, then I found this thread. I actually teared up about it. Steve Jobs was an awesome man. RIP
For those of you who are bashing him, this is not the time nor the place to do it. Get the fuck out.
"Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.”
Despite the bais me and my friends have against apple products, this man was pretty cool and definitely shaped the way technology changed over the years.
Regardless of people's feelings about Apple as a company, no one can deny his importance in the technology market over the past decades. Steve Jobs, you were an innovator, a fantastic marketer, and a visionary, and I'm sad to see you go. Rest in peace.
Steve, on personal level, I never really liked what you and Apple did (and I still don't like), but I can't deny what you have accomplished. It's sad to lose someone like this, RIP.
I found out the news on my iPhone. So sad but I think Steve Jobs would have been satisfied with what he accomplished. RIP Steve. If there is something on the other side, make it a better place like you did with our world
we all knew it would happen sooner or later... only death could part steve from apple, and when he resigned as CEO I think we all knew it wouldn't be much longer before the day would come.
OHMYGOD.........this is so weird. My friend and I were just talking about how the iphone 4s kinda messed with apples market shares and then he as a joke said, "If Steve Jobs died then maybe they would get the shares back from sympathy" I'm paraphrasing, but that is really weird.
Even though I don't care for his products I still will admire his will and his dedication to his product and making it a brand. Making computers much how they are today.
As his biggest fanyboy, I will miss him with all of my heart... Kind of weird that I am crying for someone I have never met... He was so revolutionary and changed everything. Sitting here so confused I'm not sure how to react. Love to his family.
i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where.
I think he was just private with his health. And you can hardly blame him, considering how Apple's stock took a dive every time his health took a turn for the worse.
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
Stepping down from CEO due to poor health is being private about his health?
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
Stepping down from CEO due to poor health is being private about his health?
i'm pretty sure he didn't make it clear why exactly he stepped down
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
of course he would want to be somewhat private about the extent of the cancer. But i think stepping down as CEO was a huge sign that he was not doing well. RIP.
he lived to see the iphone 4S get announced he lived a long time for being diagnosed with that type of cancer. He might have thought that it was a curse. to stay alive that long knowing someday you will die. but he didnt quit his job until he was on the verge of death. inspirational, that a mans job, is a mans passion. Rest in peace. Someday your family will see you again in iCloud.
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
It was pancreatic cancer... unless found incidentally in a really early stage, there's no "not that bad" possible.
On October 06 2011 10:07 Hyuzak wrote: Good riddance to that asshole.
Seriously, someone decided it was a good idea to waste a liver transplant on a pancreatic cancer patient, are you fucking kidding me?
Some poor mother of 3 probably died because she got bumped off the list thanks to this rich asshole
Poor mother of three?
Steve Jobs is/was a father of four (/5 if you count his illegitimate daughter?) Not to mention he's been taking a salary of $1 for how many years? How can you be so ignorant?
On a more relevant note.. RIP Steve Jobs :/ don't think Apple will ever be the same.
Does a salary of $1 matter when you're already worth $8 billion?
Either way, a little insensitive for the previous people to be ragging on a guy who only just died. Did he do anything to you personally Hyuzak for you to call him an asshole?
He's only worth so much because of the shares of Apple he holds.. I wonder why the company is so valuable hmm.
The point is he called him rich, it doesn't matter if that net worth is in cash, property, shares, or 1 cent pieces, he is still worth over $8 billion which = rich. If I owned $8bil worth of shares I wouldn't mind if I worked for a $1 salary.
The important difference here is that he made his stock worth 8 billion. Apple was on the brink of bankrupcy whem Steve Jobs took over. Steve's own wealth from his first run at Apple was also mostly gone with the struggles of NeXT and Pixar (before paying off with Toy Story).
Not a big fan of apple products because how crazy the fanboys and fangirls are (selling kidney for ipad2 for example) But this man has done some cool things in his life, deserve to be called one of the greatest mind in our times
What a tragic loss. Apple is definitely one of the top leading companies pushing the bar with technology. He was an absolute genius. It's weird to think of the world we'd be in if Steve Jobs didn't take Apple to where it's at today.
Rest in peace Steve. You literally changed the world
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
Stepping down from CEO due to poor health is being private about his health?
i'm pretty sure he didn't make it clear why exactly he stepped down
i'm pretty sure that he stepped down specifically for health related reasons.
Either way, sorry to hear about the world's loss, thoughts & prayers w/ his friends and family
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where.
I think he was just private with his health. And you can hardly blame him, considering how Apple's stock took a dive every time his health took a turn for the worse.
exactly. health is a personal thing, even if you're a tech celebrity. he's a professional man, steve jobs, who kept going till the end. i respect that.
I'm actually waiting for the moment the mods feel it's necessary for them to step in with a white bar above this thread. Hope it doesn't happen though. RIP.
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
It was pancreatic cancer... unless found incidentally in a really early stage, there's no "not that bad" possible.
i'm almost 100% sure steve jobs did not have an adenocarcinoma
if he did, he would've been dead a long time ago
edit: he had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour which has a far better prognosis.
PC for the forseeable future, but I love the iPod. Best touch screen I've ever used and it's an amazing product for all its criticism. I remember in middle school when having an iPod was a rarity and listening to music while walking around was never seen. Now almost everyone has an Apple product and you see earphones on people's heads all the time. Steve Jobs revolutionized the modern world. He was one of this century's geniuses.
Steve, I cannot say I have ever used your products or have ever believed in them. I've never bought one and have no idea how to operate that damn OS when my family member had trouble trying to use it. I've used Windows as long as I remember.
But I've watched every one of those "unveil" videos you hosted (I guess is the word), and I absolutely loved every one of them.
RIP Steve Jobs I don't even know anything about him and I wanted nothing to do with his products, but his personality striked me as very homely, as if he was a person who can easily be befriended. Who can keep their weapon and shield in their hands? No, you gotta drop them!
On October 06 2011 12:37 DminusTerran wrote: Truth be told I always thought of him as an arrogant ass who stepped on people on his way to the top(Though I guess everyone does).
However he was a visionary and I have always respected him for that. R.I.P.
I've been depressed since noon when I heard about this... I watched thiss interview with him andd bill gates on youtube a couple of months ago and I think that made me something more than just a fan. I'm so sad especially after watching some more of his videos today. RIP
I always thought Apple made shitty overpirced product and i never touch or would touch something they made except for the old Ipods. However non can deny that Jobs was an innovator and he was the guy who ran Apple in all aspects, honestly im not sure what apple will do without him. He was a great man and he deserves respect for being one of the first to come up with the PC concept.
not a mac fan myself, but he definitely made his mark on the technology industry. Probably revolutionized it to be honest.. But this isn't the place for such debate, so my condolences to the family and friends of Senor Jobs.
Not a fan of Apple, but that man is a genius who transformed Apple, you don't get many people in yourl lifetime who has that ability and charisma to do such great things. RIP.
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
It was pancreatic cancer... unless found incidentally in a really early stage, there's no "not that bad" possible.
i'm almost 100% sure steve jobs did not have an adenocarcinoma
if he did, he would've been dead a long time ago
edit: he had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour which has a far better prognosis.
everything i've read said he died of pancreatic cancer, and according to wikipedia "95% of pancreatic cancers are ductal adenocarcinomas" so yea, i dunno if it's right but it seems that's likely what it was(based on my 10 seconds of half assed research)
On October 06 2011 12:02 Motivate wrote: i don't get it... i thought everyone was saying how his cancer wasn't that bad and was largely in remission?
was steve jobs just very private with his health? this seemed to just come out of no where and there was basically nothing regarding his recent health in the news.
It was pancreatic cancer... unless found incidentally in a really early stage, there's no "not that bad" possible.
i'm almost 100% sure steve jobs did not have an adenocarcinoma
if he did, he would've been dead a long time ago
edit: he had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour which has a far better prognosis.
everything i've read said he died of pancreatic cancer, and according to wikipedia "95% of pancreatic cancers are ductal adenocarcinomas" so yea, i dunno if it's right but it seems that's likely what it was
first of all, it's a little confusing because often "pancreatic cancer" is used interchangeably with "adenocarcinoma". but strictly speaking adenocarcinoma is a type of pancreatic cancer.
Steve Jobs turned his company around and bears complete responsibility for Apple's wildly successful products and brands and the cult following it has.
Never been a fan of iStuff too much, but I can definitely appreciate success and hardwork..
He is leaving behind such an incredible legacy. It's amazing how humbling it can be to see such a legendary man die. Really makes me think about how short life is and how much I may be wasting.
My uncle died of the same thing horrible way to die. RIP fuck cancer man
Apple did great things with steve jobs while heavily commercialised they pushed many other tech companies to innovate i mean just look at the current smart phone market.
On October 06 2011 10:09 Chylo wrote: So he creates vastly overpriced products, and then removes all Jobs from America, sending them overseas, where they work in conditions Americans would find repulsive for slave level wages. The huge profits go to the very few. What a man. It's always interesting the heroes people have here in the US.
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well, i think this is SOOOO WRONG. but I respect the human be, RIP =(
I still consider most apple products to be overpriced trash that puts more emphasis on superficialities than on performance, but there's still no denying that steve jobs was a true visionary and one of the most gifted marketers or our times.
Even if he began to lose sight of his original company promise, he still knew how to market the hell out of a product and revolutionized how we view technology. We're the worst for his departure. Rest in peace.
I remember the press conference on the iPhone 4. The way when he opened his mouth and the audience applauded. I must say, despite being an Apple fan (not a fanatic, just a fan) I was relatively critical of Apple products, but I don't think anyone can really deny the impact he's had on the world. He's changed the way we interact with technology and internet, in particular portable technology.
He's brought us several steps closer to the future. He started Pixar and that's brought me some of my ABSOLUTE favourite movies.
Actually was neat learning more about him than I knew today, sad though that it took his death to let me learn about him and his life. Real icon lost. RIP.
On October 06 2011 14:53 Treva wrote: Actually was neat learning more about him than I knew today, sad though that it took his death to let me learn about him and his life. Real icon lost. RIP.
That is usually how it goes though. Icons die, then people reflect upon said icon's achievements and life.
I have no idea if he published a book or not though. That is obviously other way you learn about people's lives.
I have had a mixed relationship with Apple and it's products in it's past - i love some, and i hate others. But it's impossible to deny the fact that Steve Jobs was the biggest force inside the company, that carried Apple to the point where they are now.
Thanks for the awesome phones sir, cant say I bothered with any of apples computers because I dont really care about doing photography and I do care about playing video games easily. My mom sure is thankfull though
I'm not a fan of Apple or Steve Jobs, but that speech that you posted in the OP really made me think about his difficulties and what I should do in my life. Thank you, Steve jobs- I hated you but you changed the tech industry forever.
Say what you want about him, he was a visionary and Apple will struggle without him. He might be the closest to Willy Wonka the real world has ever seen.
RIP Steve Jobs, I might now have agreed with all your decisions, but no one can say you did not improve the industry. Imagne if Windows had no competitior...
Silicon Valley already feels emptier without Steve Jobs, the man and the personality. He will be missed by both friends, competitors, and spectators alike as only now do we fully realize all that he meant to us.
Not only did Steve Jobs build Apple out of his garage, but he also represented an era of great innovation that captured the hope, optimism, and innocent awe of a generation as consumer electronics redefined our lives. I envy his passion and dedication in the pursuit of something different as he continued to carry that optimistic spirit for the future while others began to settle for the present.
I remember using my first Macintosh with real "floppy" drives in elementary followed by candy colored and pearl white iMacs throughout middle school. I remember playing around on itunes in that library while I was supposed to be doing... something. I remember gazing at the first iPods in stores when I still carried around a CD player. I remember getting my first color-screen cellphone in 7th grade, dreaming with my dad about how future phones were going to be computers in your pocket, and then sitting on a bench outside an Apple Store six years later clutching my iPhone with a feeling of absolute joy and sly guilt. Do you remember?
I wasn't always a fan-boy, but Steve Jobs will always have my respect and admiration.
Rest in peace.
"Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."
I dont get why people call him a genius... This term is used so loosely nowadays i feel there is no point in using that term. He didnt show us the future, but i must say he was the force that drived the development, and he brought good stuff to the masses. Even though i dislike apple and most of its products (basically all) I still think Apple is a good thing since its drives the competition forward so other companies are looking for ways to make products better then Apple. Still, accomplishing what he did is amazing.
I keep struggling over which words to use. Visionary, great man, innovator, none of these are quite specific enough to describe how I feel about Steve Jobs. So I'll just say that he truly impressed me. He was a designer, not an engineer. But as much as Apple products are blamed for being nothing but style, the opposite is true. Steve Jobs' Apple made beautiful products that were a joy to use, while other tech companies, to this day, tend to make products whose feature lists are a joy to recite.
I am primarily a PC user (because I'm a gamer), but I've loved every Apple product I've ever owned, because they were beautiful devices that were intuitively pleasant to use every day.
I don't know why his death is impacting me on a more personal, emotional level. I guess it's a sad reminder of how transient everything is. But most of the sadness I feel is for those he left behind, because as far as Steve himself goes, he did more with his 56 years on earth than most people could do in 560, and he lived and died doing what he loved. I can only hope that when my day comes, I can say I lived doing what I love.
I can't believe this happens on my birthday... I am a proud owner of 4 iPods, an iPhone, and I think Macs are fucking stupid. Steve Jobs is my hero and I've always wished I could be more like him. He was brilliant, brave, and genuine.
Don't care much for Apple products in general, infact i hate many of them. But noone can deny that Steve Jobs had something special, he was a real visionary in many ways, so RIP.
I don't think I have ever really connected or cared that much the modern reverence for Apple products. But Jobs was a man with a unique understanding of memetics and marketing, and manage High-Tech cool in a way many thought could not be done. He was a hugely successful man, very influential and will be missed and lauded for his accomplishments - and remembered as one of the inspiring entrepreneurs in cultural memory.
He will be missed for his contributions to personal computers, music players, smartphones, tablets and CG animation. He will be missed for being a marketing innovator who had visionary ideas on consumer electronics and the latent needs that they could tap into once enabled by technological advances. He will be missed for being an icon of the era when the computing industry blossomed from a niche industrial field to a ubiquitous tool for everyone, the latest generation of innovation and development that has created knowledge and wealth. But we should not be saddened with his loss. We should celebrate his contributions, and try to be like him in vision.
“Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” -Steve Jobs
Great man with an even greater legacy. It is very inspiring to see what he has done in his life and i cant help but feel motivated to try and emulate it if not surpass it.
If everyone had this drive to change the world, it would be a much better place.
RIP, have never cared much for Apple in general (though I love the iPod) but his Stanford commencement speech has inspired me a lot when I first listened to it. Great man.
I despise apple products, and it's fanabse even more, but nobody can hate Pixar if they have a heart. For that alone, this is a sad thing. I know they'll continue to make movies, but they would not have existed today without him, and wonderful pictures like Wall-E or Up would never have existed. For that alone, I am sad that he has passed.
I've never bought a single Apple product and don't plan to buy one in the future, but his achivements are undeniable. He may have died early, but he is now immortalised in a way by his followers and his legacy. A great loss.
On October 06 2011 17:46 Muki wrote: I've never bought a single Apple product and don't plan to buy one in the future, but his achivements are undeniable. He may have died early, but he is now immortalised in a way by his followers and his legacy. A great loss.
It kinda makes me cringe when I see people opening the post with some form of I hate Apple (even tho they never used one of the company's products), I don't understand since I never saw a thread about anything PC related where people using Apple products had the need to come and open with I hate Windows.
That is terribly sad, specially since the devices you are typing (even more if you are on a mobile platphorm) would be a lot more behind if it not for Steave Jobs and Apple.
His ability to sell ideas and make people excited about anything no matter how minute or crazy it is (best demonstrated on his amazing keynote presentations) is why the tech world is not 10 years behind now.
It's quite intangible how much influence such a remote person, his visions, direction and passion had on my life.
Through the Macintosh I discovered my passion for graphic design, my love for all the little details and the satisfaction of creating something beautiful.
Without the Mac, I wouldn't have opted to work in the creative industry, I wouldn't have studied design, I wouldn't have the job I have now and never met the girl I'm in love with.
When I first heard that he had passed away, I was sad, of course, but outside of a "Well that sucks" I had no other reaction. So I proceeded to hit up a stream, and pass out to the wonderful sound of banelings melting marines. A few hours later I awoke, and after a quick trip to the bathroom, failed to return to my peaceful slumber. So, I refreshed TL to see who was streaming, and refreshed twitter to see what was going on and I saw a tweet by slasher.
"My first computer was on an Apple IIc. I started my Warcraft 2, Starcraft and Quake gaming on my iMac, part of the first ever mac-only clan." Which was followed by "My competitive gaming experience started on GameRanger, a mac-only client, and with mac-only players. A part of my childhood left today. RIP" Then it hit me...
I've spent most of my adult life being a PC elitist, trash talking every apple computer, the iphone, ipad, with the only piece of apple technology I own being an ipod, and I hated needing itunes on my computer to sync my stuff to it, as well as it not having a standard USB cable because im always losing my sync cable.
But it hasn't always been that way. Like slasher, I too started on a Macintosh computer. When I was still in grade school I passed the nights away, staying up until 3AM, playing Starcraft, Warcraft, and Command and Conquer, and then catching a few hours of sleep before leaving for school. Somewhere in life I forgot this. I forgot I played amazing games on a Mac, and became a complete hater of almost everything apple. I laughed at the idea of the ipad. I searched for ways to show the inferiority of the iphone.
Because of Jobs genius, vision and his companies I got into RTS games, and fell in love with every movie Pixar has released. To that all I can say is thanks. Thanks for the experience, thank you for the pleasure, and thank you for helping shape me into the gamer I am today, even though it took a long haired, short-shorts wearing dude to make me realize it.
On October 06 2011 09:23 Endymion wrote: People overvalue leadership in a brand name company in my opinion. apple had little inovation and even less of it came from jobs himself, i expect the price of the shares to drop because some shareholders are bound to be stupid enough to make a difference, then it'll return to equilibrium when people decide to come back to their senses.
I agree completely, however Apple's innovation came from an advertising/PR perspective, making everything they made seem like it was something new and innovative and Steve Jobs was basically the image of Apple. I'd be surprised if share prices don't drop even if his involvement right now was very low.
When I think of Steve Jobs I don't think of him as another CEO or rich tech guy. Billionaire he was but there's many that have and will eclipse him in that regard.
He grows up an adopted child. Drops out of Reed College. Goes to India, becomes a Buddhist, get into psychedelic drugs. Starts up a computer company in his garage, leads it to glory, gets ousted in his prime by corporate underlings. Starts a new company and leads it to success. Is taken back by a floundering Apple. Somewhere in there he buys Pixar for $10 million, turns it into a movie animation company, and then sells it for billions. Leads apple back from the dead and all the way to the largest market cap company on the planet, this time in a new arena with various portable devices and not desktop computers. Works through failing health for 7 years, seemingly as productive as ever.
I was going to say that it was his unique personality among the tech community that made me think of him in a seperate category. I think his life and personality was just unique among like...humans.
There are very few people about whom we can genuinely say that the world would be different in significant ways if they hadn't existed. Steve Jobs had an enormous impact on the role that technology plays in our lives, the form that technology takes and our attitude toward it. He was in a league of his own.
RIP Steve Jobs and the other hundreds of thousands of people that died this day.
I just hope he donated half his money to cancer research so maybe he can actually do something important for the world.
When i think about it all he did was lead a company that advanced technology so that my boss could bother me while im on vacation. Personally i believe the people that invented the light bulb, electricity, indoor plumbing and even toilet paper have had a more important impact on humanity.
Although I never really liked their products and fans, Steve jobs did an amazing job greating one of the biggest companies on earth. He also pushed the tech industry forward with innovating idea's forcing the other tech companies to move forward by force too.
I've never been a personal fan of apple products, although I do own an iPod. But Steve Jobs deserves as massive amount of respect as an entrepreneur, a visionary, and a trendsetter. RIP
On October 06 2011 09:23 Endymion wrote: People overvalue leadership in a brand name company in my opinion. apple had little inovation and even less of it came from jobs himself, i expect the price of the shares to drop because some shareholders are bound to be stupid enough to make a difference, then it'll return to equilibrium when people decide to come back to their senses.
I agree completely, however Apple's innovation came from an advertising/PR perspective, making everything they made seem like it was something new and innovative and Steve Jobs was basically the image of Apple. I'd be surprised if share prices don't drop even if his involvement right now was very low.
PR (which is nowadays called corporate communication or busniess communication in the usa) actually has a lot to do with the stories behind a company or organisation. so steve jobs was the best marketing/PR tool apple could have wished for. his death will be a huge blow to apple.
On October 06 2011 19:25 Stonedviper wrote: RIP Steve Jobs and the other hundreds of thousands of people that died this day.
I just hope he donated half his money to cancer research so maybe he can actually do something important for the world.
When i think about it all he did was lead a company that advanced technology so that my boss could bother me while im on vacation. Personally i believe the people that invented the light bulb, electricity, indoor plumbing and even toilet paper have had a more important impact on humanity.
Was it really neccesary to make such a smart-ass post?
RIP. Sucks he wasn't able to retire and grow old with his wife while watching younger generations develop new ideas and solutions knowing he made the ground for them.
On October 06 2011 19:25 Stonedviper wrote: RIP Steve Jobs and the other hundreds of thousands of people that died this day.
I just hope he donated half his money to cancer research so maybe he can actually do something important for the world.
When i think about it all he did was lead a company that advanced technology so that my boss could bother me while im on vacation. Personally i believe the people that invented the light bulb, electricity, indoor plumbing and even toilet paper have had a more important impact on humanity.
Also I don't know why so many people feel the need to insult the man. If you wouldn't stand up and say it at his funeral, keep it out of this thread.
He did great things with his life. Some of these things people may personally disagree with, but that doesn't mean he didn't impact the world. I for one would rather not have it written on my tombstone "His life was inconsequential".
For every visionary there are a dozen critics, for every innovator there are hundreds of sceptics and it seems for every poor soul who dies, there are countless randoms on the internet ready to point fingers and troll from behind the safety of their computer desk.
Steven jobs is such a hero a geniuse and a role model, great guy should be made a saint I'm so sad rite now might as well binge on sugare for a whole weake.
I never really understood the apple/steve jobs hype until I got my own Ipod. With all what he has done I see now why he is a genius. Exellent video btw, very inspirational. RIP.
On October 06 2011 19:25 Stonedviper wrote: When i think about it all he did was lead a company that advanced technology so that my boss could bother me while im on vacation. Personally i believe the people that invented the light bulb, electricity, indoor plumbing and even toilet paper have had a more important impact on humanity.
May I direct your attention to the site you're on. It's the site for Team Liquid.
Do you know who Team Liquid's main sponsor is? It's TLAF, i.e. The Little App Factory. A company that makes software for Apple computers and devices.
You may think that only inventions that directly increase the survival rate of human beings are worthwhile. I, and I would imagine a lot of others, would disagree. Inventions that allow us to enjoy our lives, allow us to be creative, and foster human interaction are important too. Because if all we've got going for us as a species is that we've figured out how to minimize contact with the pathogens in our fecal matter, then we might as well not be here.
Regardless of how "important" you think his contributions were, they were significant and affected millions around the world, and his early passing is a huge loss in the field of information technology and consumer electronics. And making asinine comments in a thread where people are paying their respects to the departed is in colossally bad taste.
I don't understand the people who think they are different and cool by being cynical towards a great man's death. He was responsible for bringing elegance and technology together, and for shaping the way we view and use and purchase our gadgets. Given his millions (or is it billions now) of fans, he must have done something right. Before you go criticising him for his Apple Newtons or plateless Mercedes, realise he actually achieved greatness while most of us languish in mediocrity.
Here's something to think about that didn't happen so long ago:
RIP to one of the gratest minds of our time...even if i am no way near an "Apple fanboy" ...i cannot ignore the genius that he was. The world is a better place because of his mind...huge loss
Why are people saying he was a genius and such. He was only the greatest salesman so far, nothing more and nothing less. A great achievement but nothing close to many other people from the past.
On October 06 2011 21:08 exnomendei wrote: Nikola Tesla. Thomas Edison. Albert Einstein. Steve Jobs.
And I'm not kidding.
I can't belive someone can say this.
I have huge respect towards Steve Jobs and I'm very sad mostly because now I know how awful is cancer. He had so much money and he couldn't win this battle. And I'm sad because he was a big mind.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them. That products are like Fifa, PES or Football Manager, they come every year and have little improvements. But many of you will stand in big rows to get those products. And because of that I admire him. He wasn't a pop star or movie star but he made all of you jump when he says JUMP.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
I really don't want to intervene with your style. But I guess this is a grand event for humanity, and deserves a little more attention. Could you replace the OP with the one below? I've also asked mods to edit the title to something more elegant, more Steve Jobs-like. Thanks a lot.
CUPERTINO, Calif. — Steve Jobs, the Apple founder and former CEO who invented and masterfully marketed ever-sleeker gadgets that transformed everyday technology, from the personal computer to the iPod and iPhone, has died. He was 56.
Apple announced his death without giving a specific cause. He had been battling pancreatic cancer. “We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today,” the company said in a brief statement. “Steve’s brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.”
Jobs had battled cancer in 2004 and underwent a liver transplant in 2009 after taking a leave of absence for unspecified health problems. He took another leave of absence in January — his third since his health problems began — before resigning as CEO six weeks ago. Jobs became Apple’s chairman and handed the CEO job over to his hand-picked successor, Tim Cook.
By the time he turned the reins of the company over to Cook, Jobs had become one of the business world’s greatest comeback kids.
The company he founded, was fired from and then returned to had gone from also-ran to technology industry leader. Under Jobs’ intensely detail-oriented leadership, Apple created several iconic products, including the iPod, iPhone and iPad, that have changed the face of consumer technology forever.
In the process, he transformed Apple into one of the nation’s most valuable companies and himself into one of the world’s richest men.
Just Wednesday the company released a new version of the iPhone, the first such major product announcement in years that didn’t involve Jobs.
Cancer
Jobs’ family issued a statement: “Steve died peacefully today surrounded by his family. … We are grateful for the support and kindness of those who share our feelings for Steve. We know many of you will mourn with us, and we ask that you respect our privacy during our time of grief.”
Cook sent a statement to employees that in part read: “Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing human being. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend and an inspiring mentor. Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built, and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple.”
Microsoft co-founder and sometimes Jobs rival Bill Gates tweeted: “Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to Steve Jobs’ family & friends. The world rarely sees someone who made such a profound impact.”
Medical experts expressed sadness but not surprise at Jobs’ death, which followed treatment for a neuroendocrine pancreatic tumor, first diagnosed in 2004, a liver transplant in 2009, and then, likely, the recurrence of disease earlier this year.
“He not only had the cancer, he was battling the immune suppression after the liver transplant,” noted Dr. Timothy Donahue of the UCLA Center for Pancreatic Disease in Los Angeles.
In patients who have liver transplants after such tumors, the median survival rate is typically about two years.
“It’s even more remarkable he was able to do what he did,” Donahue said.
Job’s ability to continue working as long as he did likely was a result of his personal constitution, his dedication to his work and the care of doctors who could help him receive specialized therapies, said Dr. Jeffrey I. Mechanick, an endocrinologist with Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.
In the end, however, even the most dedicated patients have to bend to the disease, he added.
“Sometimes, they just have to say, ‘I’m going to spend time with my family,’” Mechanick said.
Beginnings
Steven Paul Jobs was born Feb. 24, 1955, in San Francisco to Joanne Simpson, then an unmarried graduate student, and Abdulfattah Jandali, a student from Syria. Simpson gave Jobs up for adoption, though she married Jandali and a few years later had a second child with him, Mona Simpson, who became a novelist.
Steven was adopted by Clara and Paul Jobs of Los Altos, California, a working-class couple who nurtured his early interest in electronics. He saw his first computer terminal at NASA’s Ames Research Center when he was around 11 and landed a summer job at Hewlett-Packard before he had finished high school.
Jobs is survived by his biological mother; sister Mona Simpson; Lisa Brennan-Jobs, his daughter by onetime girlfriend Chrisann Brennan; wife Laurene; and their three children, Erin, Reed and Eve.
Jobs enrolled in Reed College in Portland, Ore., in 1972 but dropped out after six months.
“All of my working-class parents’ savings were being spent on my college tuition. After six months, I couldn’t see the value in it,” he said at a Stanford University commencement address in 2005. “I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me figure it out.”
When he returned to California in 1974, Jobs worked for video game maker Atari and attended meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club — a group of computer hobbyists — with Steve Wozniak, a high school friend who was a few years older.
Wozniak’s homemade computer drew attention from other enthusiasts, but Jobs saw its potential far beyond the geeky hobbyists of the time. The pair started Apple Computer Inc. in Jobs’ parents’ garage in 1976. According to Wozniak, Jobs suggested the name after visiting an “apple orchard” that Wozniak said was actually a commune.
Their first creation was the Apple I — essentially, the guts of a computer without a case, keyboard or monitor.
The Apple II, which hit the market in 1977, was their first machine for the masses. It became so popular that Jobs was worth $100 million by age 25.
Talent for re-invention
During a 1979 visit to the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, Jobs again spotted mass potential in a niche invention: a computer that allowed people to control computers with the click of a mouse, not typed commands. He returned to Apple and ordered the team to copy what he had seen.
It foreshadowed a propensity to take other people’s concepts, improve on them and spin them into wildly successful products. Under Jobs, Apple didn’t invent computers, digital music players or smartphones — it reinvented them for people who didn’t want to learn computer programming or negotiate the technical hassles of keeping their gadgets working.
“We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas,” Jobs said in an interview for the 1996 PBS series “Triumph of the Nerds.”
The engineers responded with two computers. The pricier Lisa — the same name as his daughter — launched to a cool reception in 1983. The less-expensive Macintosh, named for an employee’s favorite apple, exploded onto the scene in 1984.
The Mac was heralded by an epic Super Bowl commercial that referenced George Orwell’s “1984″ and captured Apple’s iconoclastic style. In the ad, expressionless drones marched through dark halls to an auditorium where a Big Brother-like figure lectures on a big screen. A woman in a bright track uniform burst into the hall and launched a hammer into the screen, which exploded, stunning the drones, as a narrator announced the arrival of the Mac.
There were early stumbles at Apple. Jobs clashed with colleagues and even the CEO he had hired away from Pepsi, John Sculley. And after an initial spike, Mac sales slowed, in part because few programs had been written for it.
With Apple’s stock price sinking, conflicts between Jobs and Sculley mounted. Sculley won over the board in 1985 and pushed Jobs out of his day-to-day role leading the Macintosh team. Jobs resigned his post as chairman of the board and left Apple within months.
“What had been the focus of my entire adult life was gone, and it was devastating,” Jobs said in his Stanford speech.
“I didn’t see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life.”
He got into two other companies: Next, a computer maker, and Pixar, a computer-animation studio that he bought from George Lucas for $10 million.
Pixar, ultimately the more successful venture, seemed at first a bottomless money pit. Then in 1995 came “Toy Story,” the first computer-animated full-length feature. Jobs used its success to negotiate a sweeter deal with Disney for Pixar’s next two films, “A Bug’s Life” and “Toy Story 2.” In 2006, Jobs sold Pixar to The Walt Disney Co. for $7.4 billion in stock, making him Disney’s largest individual shareholder and securing a seat on the board.
With Next, Jobs came up with a cube-shaped computer. He was said to be obsessive about the tiniest details, insisting on design perfection even for the machine’s guts. The machine cost a pricey $6,500 to $10,000, and he never managed to spark much demand for it.
Ultimately, he shifted the focus to software — a move that paid off later when Apple bought Next for its operating system technology, the basis for the software still used in Mac computers.
By 1996, when Apple bought Next, Apple was in dire financial straits. It had lost more than $800 million in a year, dragged its heels in licensing Mac software for other computers and surrendered most of its market share to PCs that ran Windows. Jobs’ personal ethos — a natural food lover who embraced Buddhism and New Age philosophy — was closely linked to the public persona he shaped for Apple. Apple itself became a statement against the commoditization of technology — a cynical view, to be sure, from a company whose computers can cost three or more times as much as those of its rivals.
For technology lovers, buying Apple products has meant gaining entrance to an exclusive club. At the top was a complicated and contradictory figure who was endlessly fascinating — even to his detractors, of which Jobs had many.
Jobs was a hero to techno-geeks and a villain to partners he bullied and to workers whose projects he unceremoniously killed or claimed as his own.
Unauthorized biographer Alan Deutschman described him as “deeply moody and maddeningly erratic.” In his personal life, Jobs denied for two years that he was the father of Lisa, the baby born to his longtime girlfriend Chrisann Brennan in 1978.
Charismatic
Few seemed immune to Jobs’ charisma and will. He could adeptly convince those in his presence of just about anything — even if they disagreed again when he left the room and his magic wore off.
“He always has an aura around his persona,” said Bajarin, who met Jobs several times while covering the company for more than 20 years as a Creative Strategies analyst. “When you talk to him, you know you’re really talking to a brilliant mind.”
But Bajarin also remembers Jobs lashing out with profanity at an employee who interrupted their meeting. Jobs, the perfectionist, demanded greatness from everyone at Apple.
Jobs valued his privacy, but some details of his romantic and family life have been uncovered. In the early 1980s, Jobs dated the folk singer Joan Baez, according to Deutschman.
In 1989, Jobs spoke at Stanford’s graduate business school and met his wife, Laurene Powell, who was then a student.
When she became pregnant, Jobs at first refused to marry her. It was a near-repeat of what had happened more than a decade earlier with then-girlfriend Brennan, Deutschman said, but eventually Jobs relented.
Jobs started looking for his biological family in his teens, according to an interview he gave to The New York Times in 1997. He found his biological sister when he was 27. They became friends, and through her Jobs met his biological mother. Few details of those relationships have been made public.
But the extent of Apple secrecy didn’t become clear until Jobs revealed in 2004 that he had been diagonosed with — and “cured” of — a rare form of operable pancreatic cancer called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor. The company had sat on the news of his diagnosis for nine months while Jobs tried trumping the disease with a special diet, Fortune magazine reported in 2008.
In the years after his cancer was revealed, rumors about Jobs’ health would spark runs on Apple stock as investors worried the company, with no clear succession plan, would fall apart without him. Apple did little to ease those concerns. It kept the state of Jobs’ health a secret for as long as it could, then disclosed vague details when, in early 2009, it became clear he was again ill.
Jobs took a half-year medical leave of absence starting in January 2009, during which he had a liver transplant. Apple did not disclose the procedure at the time; two months later, The Wall Street Journal reported the fact and a doctor at the transplant hospital confirmed it.
In January 2011, Jobs announced another medical leave, his third, with no set duration. He returned to the spotlight briefly in March to personally unveil a second-generation iPad and again in June, when he showed off Apple’s iCloud music synching service. At both events, he looked frail in his signature jeans and mock turtleneck.
Less than three months later, Jobs resigned as CEO. In a letter addressed to Apple’s board and the “Apple community” Jobs said he “always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.”
“Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life,” he said in the 2005 Stanford speech. “Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure — these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important.”
Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
of course it is not the same thing because there is big difference between fiat and bmw (but not all the models, of course). You should compare BMW and Audi. Or just to say it, Skoda has same engine as Audi and it lasts longer than Audi, but it is 100 - 200 % cheaper. I have HP Pro 3130 Microtower PC, i7 and it was 1100$ here in CRO. You can't find here any new model of MAC that is less than 2000$ and it is not so much better than one I have. No, one I have is in so many things better than Mac and more compatible etc. Compatibility have a big role. Some products (like iPod) are worth every penny and some aren't because they aren't the best on the market (iPhone, iPad).
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
Agreed. He was more of a salesman than a genius.
Guys stop it please. There is a time and place to argue that. This is NOT the time and place.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
Agreed. He was more of a salesman than a genius.
Guys stop it please. There is a time and place to argue that. This is NOT the time and place.
This is not a Steve Jobs memorial thread, if you wanna make one - go for it.
This is a thread dedicated to the news that he has died - he was a largely polarizing figure when he was alive.
Is it ok for someone to put him in the same sentence as Tesla, but I'm not able to offer some rebuttal to that?
He was a great mind and his innovations will be missed for sure.
RIP to one of the greatest industry leaders of this century. Not everyone can agree to exactly where he ranks amongst the historic figures in technology, but I don't think anybody can argue against the fact that he was the number one driving force behind Apple's incredible surge in the past decade.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
This shouldn't be a pro/against apple thread. If Bill Gates would've died I doubt it would've been the same thing. Apple IS a revolutionary company. Whether the products are worth purchasing or not, it's each individual's choice.
Personally, I had about 5 apple products, and I do not think that the price/quality ratio is very good. But that's just me and what I use from each product. It can very well be worth it for the next person, or completely useless for someone else. Arguing about this is silly.
P.S.: The era of inventors is over. Now-a-days, technological breakthroughs come from teams of scientists founded by major corporations, such as apple, or governments. I doubt we'll ever have just ONE GUY come up with major theories/inventions/etc. Sure, we'll hear of a name, but it will be quickly buried. The world has changed, information and how it works has changed.
Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Rest in peace Steve, I dislike apple as a company but I have high respect ans sympathy for that guy, I really enjoyed the video speech posted by the OP.
I have huge respect towards Steve Jobs and I'm very sad mostly because now I know how awful is cancer. He had so much money and he couldn't win this battle. And I'm sad because he was a big mind.
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them. That products are like Fifa, PES or Football Manager, they come every year and have little improvements. But many of you will stand in big rows to get those products. And because of that I admire him. He wasn't a pop star or movie star but he made all of you jump when he says JUMP.
Look at your right hand (unless you're a leftie, or on a laptop - getting to that in a sec). Do you see that thing there? It's a mouse. The mouse was designed to be used with user interfaces. Jobs saw the potential of them and made them a mass-market appeal. He didn't invent them - he marketed them. That's not advertisements, that's finding people who were willing to use a thing. That's marketing, not the 'I'm a mac' and 'If you don't have an iPhone' things.
Back to laptops. I'm gonna guess that your laptop (if you have one) has an LCD screen on a hinge, a keyboard and an input device for the cursor in front of it. Jobs saw the technologies (it was a ball back then, but details) and worked to make them come together in a design that is used today by virtually every portable computer out there.
Those other three great men I mentioned all had their own areas of expertise, and Jobs did as well. He made information technology into a mass-market consumer area. He's one of the few men (and trust me, I am not forgetting about Gates or other big players here) that gave us the Internet - not invent it, but giving it to consumer and making it practical. The three other great men didn't quite give us things directly, but they helped shape science so things like GPS and, well, electronics, could be made.
Steve Jobs was a visionary, not a scientist, this is true, but he is in that list because he gave the world a great part of what shapes our lives today. The man did not deserve to die of cancer at this age, and the money you are implying he 'stole' from the consumers did not help him one bit. The man hardly ever made any extravagant purchases since the iPod came out.
And just like Einstein, I think his legacy will live on after Apple has done many a good or bad thing.
Personally I hate the Mac products and a lot of the sales tactic they (Apple) do, i.e. have a new "upgraded" model of w.e item in less than 3 months to force fans to buy it essentially...
However Steve Job was an innovative and an intelligent man. I may be a Microsoft fan but I believe that anybody that is at least semi-interested in the technology field should respect him.
So please pay your respect for a man who has been influential in this era. Set the differences aside for a second because this man deserves some respect.
RIP Steve
edit: Considering how Jobs "hand-picked" Mr. Cook I can't help but wonder what Cook's potential is to have Jobs choose him
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: . Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Dean Kamen is the one that I can think up at the top of my head. But not many people know him for what he's done (Segway, Insulin pump, etc.). But yeah, I can't think of many after him. RIP Steve!
But his products were (and are) too expensive and I will never understand all the hype about them.
They're better. Saying you don't understand why more expensive Apple products are deemed worth buying is like saying you don't understand why anyone would by a BMW when they could get a perfectly nice FIAT.
Better for the average person, maybe.
It's like the difference between an automatic and manual transmission in a car. Sure automatic is easier to use, but does that make it better?
It really comes down to preference, and he was correct - for the price you pay, what you get with apple products (talking primarily computers) is usually obsolete technology at a largely inflated price. You're buying into a brand name and that's about it.
Any electronic device is more than the sum of its tech specs.
Build quality and industrial design, and especially software matter. They matter much, much more than how fast the FSB is, or whether your mp3 player has a built-in FM radio.
How easy is syncing content? How responsive and intuitive is the UI? How good is the build quality? Those things matter to me far more than random bells and whistles. Every device except my PC is in essence an appliance. If Apple made refrigerators, they would be energy efficient, beautiful, and perfectly designed to refrigerate food. If Apple's competitors made refrigerators, they would have internet browsers running Windows XP Tablet Edition on the door.
a lot of the sales tactic they (Apple) do, i.e. have a new "upgraded" model of w.e item in less than 3 months to force fans to buy it essentially...
Wha? That's the opposite of what they do. Apple has an incredibly compact product line, and they update their specs annually at most. The iPhone 4 came out in June 2010. The 4S is an updated version with newer hardware, and is coming out 14 months later.
How many versions of the Galaxy has Samsung put out since June 2010?
On October 06 2011 22:32 heroyi wrote: Personally I hate the Mac products and a lot of the sales tactic they (Apple) do, i.e. have a new "upgraded" model of w.e item in less than 3 months to force fans to buy it essentially...
There are no models in Apple's line up that are ever changed within 3 months. Few are below a yearly cycle.
Furthermore, Apple products are very upgradeable. Sure, 1-2 features are always reserved for the newest version (Video recording on the iPhone 3GS, Siri on the new 4S), but the iPhone 3GS, a phone from 2009, is being upgraded where Android phones from 2011 are not. The same goes for their other products.
However, I'd like to remind people of something:
We're talking about Steve Jobs, and not Apple, here. The two are hard to seperate, and everybody's got an opinion on Apple, but let's try and keep things about the man, not the corporation.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
We're talking about Steve Jobs, and not Apple, here. The two are hard to seperate, and everybody's got an opinion on Apple, but let's try and keep things about the man, not the corporation.
I agree completely, but I think it's at least relevant to the man that the types of products he excelled at creating were not just shiny, overpriced crap. The company that created was above all devoted to industrial design, to making beautiful things that are a pleasure to use.
I have watched both Bill Gates and now Steve Jobs commencement speech, it seems Steve Jobs had a very rough road to Apple. Apple will never be the same I think. We need more people like Steve Jobs in the world...
On October 06 2011 21:36 yeint wrote: How many versions of the Galaxy has Samsung put out since June 2010?
Just enough, it takes alot to open the eyes of the apple blinded. And thankfully their "apple" has fallen very far from the tree...
But on a serious note the galaxy series has not yet had one single mdoel where it is simply a slight upgrade on an existing phone. The closest you will come to that is between the Galaxy S and the S2. But compare the differences between those handsets, and in turn compare this with the difference between Apples and the "S" versions. You'll see one is like a new phone and the other is a tech upgrade in order to stop it getting severly outclassed.
Personally I hate the Mac products and a lot of the sales tactic they (Apple) do, i.e. have a new "upgraded" model of w.e item in less than 3 months to force fans to buy it essentially...
However Steve Job was an innovative and an intelligent man. I may be a Microsoft fan but I believe that anybody that is at least semi-interested in the technology field should respect him.
So please pay your respect for a man who has been influential in this era. Set the differences aside for a second because this man deserves some respect.
RIP Steve
edit: Considering how Jobs "hand-picked" Mr. Cook I can't help but wonder what Cook's potential is to have Jobs choose him
There are no models in Apple's line up that are ever changed within 3 months. Few are below a yearly cycle.
Furthermore, Apple products are very upgradeable. Sure, 1-2 features are always reserved for the newest version (Video recording on the iPhone 3GS, Siri on the new 4S), but the iPhone 3GS, a phone from 2009, is being upgraded where Android phones from 2011 are not. The same goes for their other products.
However, I'd like to remind people of something:
[b]We're talking about Steve Jobs, and not Apple, here. The two are hard to seperate, and everybody's got an opinion on Apple, but let's try and keep things about the man, not the corporation.[b]
Nice try, but did you even bother reading the rest? I stated MY stance, MY OPINION on Apple.
Apple =/= Steve Jobs.
The main point of my post was to PAY RESPECT FOR HIM.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
Whats the thing your using to put this message on the forum?
Anybody having a hardware/platform argument in this thread is missing the point, and I can safely assume they miss the point in a lot of social situations. Let it go guys.
On October 06 2011 22:50 HaXXspetten wrote: While I do think Apple fanboys are a little extreme, this is indeed a severe loss of a great human being. RIP.
Seems like this topic is proof of the anti-Apple fanboys being a little extreme.
I agree completely, but I think it's at least relevant to the man that the types of products he excelled at creating were not just shiny, overpriced crap. The company that created was above all devoted to industrial design, to making beautiful things that are a pleasure to use.
I wholeheartedly agree. However, considering all the haters and lovers and the way anything about Apple derails into discussions about how Apple is or isn't making crap (there's no middle ground, obviously).
Forget not that Jobs had an influence not just on Apple products, but on every single consumer electronic device you use today. Your Android device, your Windows or Linux computer, even your TV is influenced by the man (and the company), even if you refuse to believe that. The graphical user interface, the laptop computer, and a whole bunch of other things. He has 338 patents on his name, and no matter how crap the patent system is, he did invent things.
Let's talk about Pixar too - he was CEO of that company when, in 10 years, it went from $10 million to billions of dollars in worth. He saw potential (again) in a strange company (it wasn't a good time for animation studios) and made it huge. The guy, yesterday, was a living legend. Now, he's just a legend.
There's a whole generation of people who were inspired using things he helped create or envisioned, a generation that is now rising up to take the world even further. Scientists, teachers, artists, politicians, world leaders, etc.
So yeah, the man, to me, is more than the company.
While I hate Apple, Steve Jobs was still a great buisness man and a visionnary. He was really good at what he did (milking the market), he really made a huge impact. RIP.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
That wasn't the point wtf?
I was replying to the "list of great men" or w/e you wanna call it: tesla, edison, einstein, bla bla. I'm saying that you won't see another person revolutionize the industry by themselves. It's just not gonna happen.
These days, revolution goes too fast to notice just one "stand-alone" point. And are you seriously saying that apple has made no technological advancements? Do they not invest tones of money in developing new shit to add to their gadgets? Are you saying that the first ipod looks/feels/acts exactly the same as the new one?
I know they're buying stuff from other manufacturers, sure, but they are advancing their own products as well. Like the display on the iPhone that's pretty much better than anything else on the market. Or the touch/multi-touch technology that was only "REALLY" usable when the iWhatever gadgets came out with touch displays.
Heck, even now, most of the touch displays are much, much harder to use that what Apple has.
And no, I'm not an apple fan. I'm not using any product from them at the moment (as I think they're overpriced). I'm just trying to be objective.
Don't forget that Apple was not the only contribution Steve Jobs made to the world. Think about Pixar and all the revolutionary things it has achieved in the field of animated film. It's impressive. Please drop the offensive anti-Apple and Steve Jobs comments, they have no place here.
I won't lie and say that there ever was a time in which I liked the policy of the company Apple, at least not in the latest phase of Steve Jobs as CEO in this century. For me as a nerd, Apple has gained the same reputation as Microsoft over the past years and everyone knows of Microsoft's reputation. During the last century Apple changed from a brand for quality-computers to a brand for overly expensive lifestyle products and nearly has the same monopolistic traits as Microsoft nowadays. However, Steve Jobs was a genius of our age, perhaps his loss will have a negative impact on the computer market. The Apple II and the Macintosh were revolutionary products, the NeXT computers he developed after his first years with Apple were extremely effective work stations. I guess I don't need to adress the popularity of the Pixar movies he invested in. I still think it's fascinating that Jobs worked for one dollar a year after he came back to Apple and as vegan and buddhist he was definitely an interesting personality. In the computer market he's on the same low level as Bill Gates for me these days, but now that he's dead, it's time for me to speak out positive words about his work and his life.
On October 06 2011 23:08 OneOther wrote: Don't forget that Apple was not the only contribution Steve Jobs made to the world. Think about Pixar and all the revolutionary things it has achieved in the field of animated film. It's impressive. Please drop the offensive anti-Apple and Steve Jobs comments, they have no place here.
John Lasseter and especially Ed Catmull revolutionized things in the field of animated film.
Steve Jobs was basically the smart business man.
Anyways i really don't want to sack on the guy, he obviously has done stuff others could only dream of.
On October 06 2011 22:40 Technique wrote: Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
the mouse is a pretty good example of a technology that they made mainstream, hard to play starcraft without one. or Universal serial bus. They were the first to popularize a GUI.
and its not necessarily being the first one to develop or try the technology. its being the first one to make people realize they need it.
On October 06 2011 22:40 Technique wrote: Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
the mouse is a pretty good example of a technology that they made mainstream, hard to play starcraft without one. or Universal serial bus. They were the first to popularize a GUI.
and its not necessarily being the first one to develop or try the technology. its being the first one to make people realize they need it.
"However, the mouse remained relatively obscure until the appearance of the Apple Macintosh, which included an updated version of the original Lisa Mouse. "
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
Tell me what exactly is new bout the iphone? Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?
That's the strength of Steve Jobs (apple), which is a very respectable skill to have.
But to come back on the Pixar comment, Ed Catmull IS some1 that made huge technological advancements.
RIP one of the best business men in modern time (for better and worse).
The analogy I think of when thinking about Steve is that he was the Blizzard of technology (to put in terms people might understand). He didn't really create anything new, but he would take other peoples ideas and expand upon and improve them. On top of that he could sell it and artificially increase it's value like nobody else. That takes talent.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
Tell me what exactly is new bout the iphone? Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?
That's the strength of Steve Jobs (apple), which is a very respectable skill to have.
But to come back on the Pixar comment, Ed Catmull IS some1 that made huge technological advancements.
Technological advancements doesn't neccesarily be something completely new.
"Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward.
Maybe they have to be crazy.
How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that’s never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?
We make tools for these kinds of people.
While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
Tell me what exactly is new bout the iphone? Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?
That's the strength of Steve Jobs (apple), which is a very respectable skill to have.
But to come back on the Pixar comment, Ed Catmull IS some1 that made huge technological advancements.
Tell me what exactly was so new about fire? Other than it being a well rubbed together bunch of existing sticks.
Steve Jobs whas a genius. He understood good techonology alone doesnt sell without great marketing. In fact, Steve Jobs pointed out you can make mediocre crap and still be seen as a messiah.
I think that all the Iphone, Imac or ipad business scheme talk does not belong here. A familiy man died, a visionary man died. It's time to show some humility folks. He got 8 billion dollars but even that could not save him from death, thats what death is, death makes us all equal in one way. So don't annoy us with your criticism about his ex company, go open a new thread if you got the urge to trashtalk.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
Tell me what exactly is new bout the iphone? Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?
That's the strength of Steve Jobs (apple), which is a very respectable skill to have.
But to come back on the Pixar comment, Ed Catmull IS some1 that made huge technological advancements.
Tell me what exactly was so new about fire? Other than it being a well rubbed together bunch of existing sticks.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
Tell me what exactly is new bout the iphone? Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?
That's the strength of Steve Jobs (apple), which is a very respectable skill to have.
But to come back on the Pixar comment, Ed Catmull IS some1 that made huge technological advancements.
Unusable technological advancements are useless. Design is the most important and neglected aspect of advancement and one that is missing in almost every other technology company. That's the genius of Steve Jobs.
i find it naive to think jobs invented i-pad/phone/pod. he sure had his influences as apple boss, but many people make him look like some sort of thomas edison. even in apple's earliest days it was steve wozniak who was inventive. jobs was always the marketing person, and there he sure was some kind of genius. furthermore he was also able to see the potential of certain technology and didn't hesitate to invest into it. but i would be careful to go any further.
On October 06 2011 22:21 CubEdIn wrote: Think about all the technological advancements in the past 20 years. Can you think of 5-6 names of people who made such discoveries/inventions/etc.?
Apple has made no technological advancements.
Anyways to stay on topic.
R.I.P. master of making shiny things that every1 wants.
troll?
if not, have you ever heard of the iphone?
... Other then it being a well put together mixture of existing technology?...
that is one hell of a ignorant statement.
any sort of evolution in technology=technological advancement
I'm done. I already have peers who think otherwise. No need to attempt to prove to you.
I feel like I have to make a stand for the quality of apple-products. Actually I work in video and grafik editing and apple develops the best software or hardware for these areas. Working on an Mac is so much more efficient than on any other computer. What makes apple apple, always was good decision-making, new inovative things and the fact that all the parts work together to make work or the normal use of a product better. Sure apples success is part of its marketing, but still they have the best products.
A few things for example: Up to now the touch-screen of an iPhone 1 ist still better and more smooth than most of the touchscreens in 2011 smartphones. The way you navigate through a 16gb music libary on a iPod nano simply amazes you. I can work with the track-pad on my macbook and its more acurate than a mouse (using the mouse-trackpad on any other notebook is a pain in the ass) + I have gestures that actually help me while working and are not just funny extras to play with. My macbook never crashed and eventhough its 3 years old the battery still holds 4+ hours while working on it. And the screen even allows me to work while sitting outside in the sun. Apple supports open-source. In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. Apple-Software is much more intuitive, you feel that they actually put thoughts behind what they were doing. The first thought you have when you work on programms like pages, iweb, imovie or keynote is: "I am saving alot time and as by miracle everything looks better created on a mac". And I never ever had a virus or mysteriously unsolveable network problems on my mac (on my computer all the time "...why am I not connected to the internet anymore?").
If you are a gamer, eventhough gaming isnt everything you do on your computer its hard to understand the value of a computer that is simply made to make your work easier and not for gaming. Still I value it (+ I have Starcraft and Diablo3 which is everything I need) and for ppl like me, apple makes the best products. All this was Steve Jobs philosophy and thats why he was such a great man. He was an idealist and not a marketing guy. Regarding marketing and market research he always had this quote: "Henry Ford supposedly said if he had asked his customers what they wanted, before coming up with the Model T, they’d have asked for a faster horse."
I can work with the track-pad on my macbook and its more acurate than a mouse (using the mouse-trackpad on any other notebook is a pain in the ass) + I have gestures that actually help me while working and are not just funny extras to play with.
Maybe you're special, but the vast majority of people are far more accurate with a mouse. Trackpads on PC laptops can also do gestures just fine. In fact, the whole reason we need gestures is because trackpads are usability nightmares otherwise.
My macbook never crashed and eventhough its 3 years old the battery still holds 4+ hours while working on it.
OSes never crash these days. Crashes are almost always caused by bad drivers or bad hardware. Official drivers on PCs tend to be a lot better than on Macs, and bad hardware is a crapshoot on both Macs and PCs. I also find it hard to believe your 3 year old battery still holds that much charge; you must've not used it much. There's nothing special about Mac batteries, they are physically the same as all other batteries. And batteries deteriorate, it's a simple fact of life.
And the screen even allows me to work while sitting outside in the sun.
This is odd. If there's one thing glossy screens suck at, it's being used in the sun. A matte screen is way better at this.
Apple supports open-source. In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it.
LOL. Apple's support for OpenGL is notoriously bad. They're always the slowest to adopt new versions.
Apple-Software is much more intuitive, you feel that they actually put thoughts behind what they were doing. The first thought you have when you work on programms like pages, iweb, imovie or keynote is: "I am saving alot time and as by miracle everything looks better created on a mac". And I never ever had a virus or mysteriously unsolveable network problems on my mac (on my computer all the time "...why am I not connected to the internet anymore?").
This is just your Apple bias. We all have pre-conceived biases and it's simply a matter of what you're used to. I personally think Apple software is not very intuitive. When I use iTunes, for example, I hate how I can't create a new smart playlist without going into the menu bar. And why is the new playlist button outside the playlist pane, and on the bottom? And why can't I create one using a context menu? Moreover, Apple's continued use of a menu bar is strange, given that menu bars are probably the least intuitive thing ever. On the PC side, the menu bar is getting less and less attention. None of my browsers have one (Chrome and IE9). Office doesn't have one. IM clients don't have one.
All kidding aside, he was a great man, who moved our world forward significantly. He designed his own business model for christ's sake, that's used widely today!
The man was amazing at noticing the potential in some obscure piece of technology and storming the tech industry with it. Where would the tech industry be today without Apple bringing out the iPod, iPad and iPhone? Knowing the US, we'd be sitting here squabbling over the merits of having laptops the size of Hummers.
So is this officially the Mac vs PC/What is Steve Jobs real accomplishment thread?
I share the urge to also discuss these issues guys, but please let's do it somewhere and some time else. This is the time for mourning, for a man of immense vision and contribution to humanity. Respect.
My personal idol and hero. A true visionary to the IT industry, the changes he brought and his dedication to creating the complete product will never be forgotten. RIP.
Thanks to him I was able to play Plant's vs Zombie's on my phone while on lunch today... seriously to all those people saying he never made technological advances, that may be true... but he put that technology into an easy to use package that was available to everyone, and usable by everyone. That's way more important than each piece of technology on it's own. Ford did the same with the Model T. How many people did you see walking around with an MP3 player before the iPod came out? How many mass marketable TRUE smartphones were out before the iPhone? The answer for both of those is basically none.
As far as computers go, if you sat someone that's never used a computer before infront of a PC and then a Mac, which one is that person going to find easier to use? Honestly I'd say the Mac, and I'm a diehard PC user. That is part of the price hike... yeah you're paying more for a technologically inferior product... but the user experience, and the quality of that experience, is going to be unmatched, and many people are more than willing to pay the price for it.
With that said, RIP Steve... you changed the world of personal computers in ways that will probably never be seen again.
For those arguing about Jobs' memory, I think you're caught up looking at it through the lens of an engineer, when Jobs' greatest strength was that of a business man. They require completely different skillsets and he was unquestionably one of the greatest business men in modern history. The normal processes of product development through the HoQ, AHP, etc. don't apply to people like Jobs. That's what's special.
I don't know that he was a great person, as he was a notoriously unphilanthropic and difficult to work for, but he was still a legend in his craft and died too young.
On October 07 2011 02:30 Jibba wrote: For those arguing about Jobs' memory, I think you're caught up looking at it through the lens of an engineer, when Jobs' greatest strength was that of a business man. They require completely different skillsets and he was unquestionably one of the greatest business men in modern history. The normal processes of product development through the HoQ, AHP, etc. don't apply to people like Jobs. That's what's special.
I don't know that he was a great person, as he was a notoriously unphilanthropic and difficult to work for, but he was still a legend in his craft and died too young.
On October 07 2011 02:30 Jibba wrote: For those arguing about Jobs' memory, I think you're caught up looking at it through the lens of an engineer, when Jobs' greatest strength was that of a business man. They require completely different skillsets and he was unquestionably one of the greatest business men in modern history. The normal processes of product development through the HoQ, AHP, etc. don't apply to people like Jobs. That's what's special.
I don't know that he was a great person, as he was a notoriously unphilanthropic and difficult to work for, but he was still a legend in his craft and died too young.
On October 07 2011 02:29 Cain0 wrote:
On October 07 2011 02:20 onymous wrote: In the end, it was cancer that took our Jobs.
FUCK YOU. Seriously, no respect at all, what an asshole.
It's a clever joke. In no way disrespectful. Calm down.
He's joking about someones who has just died. Maybe he should think about Job's widow and 4 children before he starts making "clever" jokes.
Lots of people use jokes to overcome death. It's not insulting his character in any way. I find his comment no less valuable than a bunch of empty "RIP" posts.
On October 07 2011 02:29 Cain0 wrote: Your a total idiot. Seriously, no respect at all, what an asshole.
On October 07 2011 02:29 Cain0 wrote: Your a total idiot.
On October 07 2011 02:29 Cain0 wrote: Your
edit: vvv It's "You're". Short for "you are". "Your" is a possessive. Don't fuck it up because it makes you look stupid, especially when you're calling someone an idiot.
I found his joke quite witty. Some times people take things too seriously, and this happens. You're making the thread worse than the cliché "RIP" posts.
Steve was a great man, and he pioneered smart phones and the MP3 and without him, we wouldn't have all those scene kids on the street corners listening to their indie tracks, or making train journies shorter.
On October 07 2011 02:20 onymous wrote: In the end, it was cancer that took our Jobs.
edit: too soon?
Or the the fact that Steve Jobs died from PC (pancreatic cancer). Read that carefully if you get it or not, lol, but yeah, that was probably stated already in this thread.
Honestly, what was said above is right. Everyone mourns a death differently. Not everyone is gloomy and depressed when someone passes away. Some people like to laugh it off and try to lighten the mood.
On October 07 2011 02:20 onymous wrote: In the end, it was cancer that took our Jobs.
edit: too soon?
My god, man! Now I have to get a new keyboard!
Never good when someone dies, but it sits ill with me that one man gets so much attention over the other nameless thousands. Not like he deserved to live more than anyone else. Whatever the case, it's still sad.
On October 07 2011 03:19 FreshVegetables wrote: Brilliant businessman indeed! Funny how media keeps saying that he created trends and culture... not really.
Rest in peace!
I see the trends and culture part though. There is that stereotype of people buying Apple products because it makes them look sophisticated and I guess having money. Not to mention some people consider it hopping on the bandwagon by buying whatever Apple puts out for sale. I personally don't hate Apple since I have some of their products. I just face palm whenever a person tells me that they bought a Macbook Pro for primary school (I.E. typing papers, Facebook, E-mail, etc). I know it's their money, but they could have invested in just a regular Macbook for those needs. If that person was a Graphic Design or Music major, then I can see why they would get a Macbook Pro since programs like Final Cut Pro is an excellent editing software and the laptop itself is pretty strong.
Any rational person would agree that Jobs has had a tremendous impact on the computing and electronics world over the last 20 years. Who cares if he's not an inventor, who cares if people like android or iOS more... this is a huge loss for the community.
R.I.P. I didn't even know the man but, as many people did, I read about his life and his remarkable achievements from the internet. It is sad that he couldn't enjoy the fruits of his labor and had to die so soon.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
On October 07 2011 03:19 FreshVegetables wrote: Brilliant businessman indeed! Funny how media keeps saying that he created trends and culture... not really.
Rest in peace!
Agreed.
Although a great business leads a trendsetting e.g. Coal, Cars, diamonds, whether or not they bring actual value or otherwise (see diamonds xD).
Also, I believe marketing under the guise of a culture is something Apple has done very successfully. Doesn't take brilliance to spot =)
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
Not to mention OpenGL hasn't been competition for DirectX for a while.
Apple is the very opposite of open. Even Microsoft is more open than Apple.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
Out of the thousands and hundreds of thousands of businesses in the world, Apple is arguably the best or most successful in achieving cult status + elegance of design. Every business in the world would love to have even a fraction of such brand loyalty.
You have no idea how difficult it is to replicate such business success in the real world. You think it is easy to create such a solid fad, but it isn't. It takes absolute business genius and vision to be able to do what Steve Jobs did.
Name me one other company in the world that is comparable on such scale. You can't.
On October 07 2011 04:15 oneofthem wrote: so how will apple turn this death into a marketing event. oh wait maybe the wheels are already in motion on that.
I know, I remember growing up that M$ was the evil corporate empire that only cared about money. Now Apple is in that position and Bill Gates is known as one of the most generous philanthropists.
That said, I hope there is no attempt to profit from this.
On October 07 2011 04:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 07 2011 03:44 Jindo wrote:
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
Out of the thousands and hundreds of thousands of businesses in the world, Apple is arguably the best or most successful in achieving cult status + elegance of design. Every business in the world would love to have even a fraction of such brand loyalty.
You have no idea how difficult it is to replicate such business success in the real world. You think it is easy to create such a solid fad, but it isn't. It takes absolute business genius and vision to be able to do what Steve Jobs did.
Name me one other company in the world that is comparable on such scale. You can't.
I would say that Nike and Coca-Cola have done something equivalent, although perhaps not as profitably.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
pretty much all of Apple's rivals follow apple's fads too, you know, not just teens. Every time Jobs and Apple released a new device, he would change the technology market, companies would change their business plans, create rival products, and are the people running these massive corporations also "not right in the head"?
He was a great innovator, a great man at public relations, a great businessman, and a great communicator.
That doesn't mean he deserves quite the level of deification I've been hearing on the radio today. It's like the media thinks the man was some kind of mixture of Albert Einstein, PT Barnum and Jesus.
On October 07 2011 04:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 07 2011 03:44 Jindo wrote:
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
pretty much all of Apple's rivals follow apple's fads too, you know, not just teens. Every time Jobs and Apple released a new device, he would change the technology market, companies would change their business plans, create rival products, and are the people running these massive corporations also "not right in the head"?
Uhh I would say they are fine. Not sure why you would think they are not. I'm just pointing out that it's far more often that Apple sells a consumer product because of the popularity cult they've established, rather than their stuff actually being good (especially for cost), adding on to what the original person I replied to said. I find it a bit hard to believe that 50+ year-old nerds (these rivals of Apple) who actually understand what they're buying and things about consumer electronics just buy things because it's "cool", and not because it's something 10x better for its cost (which Apple products are not). The few that actually do so, some do out of preference, some do because they've been using Apple products for decades, but how many will you find that will honestly tell you "I got this because it's the cool thing" ? A negligible number, at best. It's because they actually understand what they are buying, and are at least a bit more mature than the "oh em gee I want this because all the other kids have it and I want to be cool like them". I will say though that the iPod is a decent product, but most other things like their personal computers are just bad, and terribly overpriced. In fact, the only old Mac computer and Mac OS users I've known are from the "old guard" so to speak, whose first computers were the first apple computers.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
Most of the movies you see, the magazines you read and the tv (even NASL) you watch is done on a mac, and not cause macs look cool and "every cool kid wants to have it". All these ppl/companys work with mac for a reason. To be honest, these are also the areas where it doesnt matter if a product is maybe overpriced. The whole creative-scene would look alot diffrent today without Steve Jobs.
If all what you know about mac is the price and the most stupid programm apple has ever done "itunes" and you never really worked on mac for a long time. Please stop complaining about it in this thread. Cause then for sure you wouldnt understand Steve Jobs acomplishments.
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
Apple supports open source. There is more than just the iOS developer agreement.
Every single iOS, Android, WebOS, Safari and Chrome web browser out there is based on WebKit, an open source web rendering engine that is led and maintained by Apple. Apple is a big supporter of open web standards, including but not limited to HTML5.
Apple is the main factor why HTML5 video has gained traction. If it wasn't for the iOS devices, there would be no incentive to serve pure h.264 video instead of only Flash.
The core of OSX is based on BSD, an open source project. Apple not only makes enhancements to their core OS, they also return a lot of these enhancements to the community. An example is the technical bits that allowed the development of Time Machine, such as the support of hard links pointing to directories. An other example is the support of anonumous blocls to the GNU C compiler, introduced in Snow Leopard.
There is more than rivalries involved in the case of DirectX. 1. licensing fees. 2. you are always going to play catch up. 3. you are at the mercy of a third party vendor able to determine your own technology stack. Apple very well learned that 2 (Java) and 3 (Internet Explorer, later also shown on Flash) are very dangerous.
The difference is that Apple is pragmatic about open source. They will use ir where they think it can provide a better solution and yes, is convenient, but not just for bragging rights.
See Google. If they are so about open source, why can't you download the source of the latest Android build? Where is the Page Rank source code? Every company protects their most valuable assets.
I have no problem with people hating on Apple and their users. I have a problem when its done based on inaccurate bullshit or double standards. You have no idea how many open source personalities use Apple computers on a daily basis, starting with Linus Torvalds.
On October 07 2011 04:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 07 2011 03:44 Jindo wrote:
On October 07 2011 01:13 esperanto wrote: Apple supports open-source. No they don't. Apple has a strict "Iphone Developer Program License Agreement" that every developer must sign before using Apple Sofware. You can read it here to see just how much Apple loves to "support" open-source.
In fact thats one of the reason why there are not so many games for apple computers. Apple decided not to go with directX, which is a non-free licenced code. Instead they went with OpenGL which is free, actually alot faster than directX and anyone can work with it. There are not so many games on Mac because developers wants to makes games for Windows. Windows is still the main computer gaming platform. And Apple chooses OpenGL instead of DirectX because DirectX is developed by Microsoft, their rival.
Comments in bold. No disrespect to the deceased, but Apple products are overpriced and it pains me to see people paying more for less.
This, 9000 times over. You see, the reason for Apple's success is they were able to generate a popularity cult of their products. That is, "If you don't have Apple shit, you're not cool." Seeing as how a lot of teens and young adults just aren't there in the head, it's not terribly difficult to create such a fad. Bingo. You're in business.
pretty much all of Apple's rivals follow apple's fads too, you know, not just teens. Every time Jobs and Apple released a new device, he would change the technology market, companies would change their business plans, create rival products, and are the people running these massive corporations also "not right in the head"?
Uhh I would say they are fine. Not sure why you would think they are not. I'm just pointing out that it's far more often that Apple sells a consumer product because of the popularity cult they've established, rather than their stuff actually being good (especially for cost), adding on to what the original person I replied to said. I find it a bit hard to believe that 50+ year-old nerds (these rivals of Apple) who actually understand what they're buying and things about consumer electronics just buy things because it's "cool", and not because it's something 10x better for its cost (which Apple products are not). The few that actually do so, some do out of preference, some do because they've been using Apple products for decades, but how many will you find that will honestly tell you "I got this because it's the cool thing" ? A negligible number, at best. It's because they actually understand what they are buying, and are at least a bit more mature than the "oh em gee I want this because all the other kids have it and I want to be cool like them". I will say though that the iPod is a decent product, but most other things like their personal computers are just bad, and terribly overpriced. In fact, the only old Mac computer and Mac OS users I've known are from the "old guard" so to speak, whose first computers were the first apple computers.
you missed the reason of why people in this thread are calling Jobs a genius, and why apple is so successful. They aren't saying that because Jobs found a way to make money off the masses.
Jobs innovated. When I said apple's rivals, i meant the companies as a whole, all these touch-screen smart phones that are the norm today, those sprung from the iPhone. All the other tablets on the market, they are able to survive because the Ipad was released and the tablet market exploded.
It's not about whether apple products are more expensive than their counterparts. These counterparts would've never existed had it not been for apple.
How is a link that show a list of open sourced software Apple used to built its Mac OS X supposed to support your assumption that Apple is pro open source? Are you aware that the OS X was built using the BSD version of Unix, an open sourced OS?
These software are open sourced because that's what they are, not because Apple wants them to be.
Why are people polluting this thread with "Apple sucks and is overpriced" discussion. That may be so and I also hold that opinion, but are you really that much of a blind hater to try to discredit Jobs' accomplishments in his industry? It is pathetic.
Did Steve Jobs & Apple do things that moved the computing industry forward? Yes, especially in the field of consumer computing. For that he should get some respect. What you personally think of their current product line is irrelevant.
RIP Steve Jobs. Steve has pretty much made business what it is. He had the brain power to shape civilization into what it is today. If his cancer was cured he could've continued and eventually we would see the world go from Star Trek to Meet The Robinson's in technology.
its sad to hear that he died, being an inspirational man to so many people. but the company he built up is a slap in the face for anyone that can see the deception it uses to sell its products to consumers who can't tell the difference between quality and crap.
On October 07 2011 07:05 onewingedmoogle wrote: its sad to hear that he died, being an inspirational man to so many people. but the company he built up is a slap in the face for anyone that can see the deception it uses to sell its products to consumers who can't tell the difference between quality and crap.
Someone else said something similar. I commented on that:
I was sadder about Steve Jobs's death than I've ever been about a stranger's, because I've loved Apple products for years and following the company is a longtime hobby. I'm worried that the tech world won't move as fast or create products I enjoy without Mr. Jobs's involvement (think of all of the milestones in consumer electronics Jobs was behind: the first modern personal computer, the first popular MP3 player, the first successful touchscreen handheld, the first mass market tablet). The guy shared (and shaped) my design aesthetic and my concept of the purpose and nature of technology (simplify; do fewer things better).
Watching Mr. Jobs's keynotes over the years, I became really enamored with his "straight man" presentation and his obvious excitement over and pride in his products. Mr. Jobs had this infectious wide-eyed tech-nerdiness; he was a billionaire CEO but he was also any guy whose face lights up when he figures out a new gadget. Steve Jobs stood for everything good about 21st-century consumer technology.
Here's a video that had me feeling a bit teary-eyed this morning.
Listen and watch the crowd!
ps. lol @ everyone in this thread taking Jobs's death as an opportunity to take up their problems with his company. Show some class?
I've always found it a bit strange how reluctant people are to stop working. It's eerily similar to Jack Layton; he gets unprecedented results for his party in the last election, and then he dies.
I guess when you have that much momentum you just don't want to get off. That, and cancer is a bitch.
Can we just stop arguing about Apple or open source or anything unrelated to paying respects or asking about the man who died? I, myself, admitted not caring too much but please stay on topic and if you can't.. type RIP and open a blog. (Like so)
"The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it."
"You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life."
he is a very inspirational man and will be missed. none the less there's nothing to feel sorry about. he has lived a very very passionate and fulfilling life so much so that only 1 in a million or billion people are even capable of accomplishing so there's no need to mourn in my opinion. far better to live 56 years and accomplish everything you desire than to live up to 100 and live in mediocrity and regret.
RIP Steve your products were cool.. your life an inspiration. PD. Damn nerds, can you just chill and pay your respects to the deceased instead of arguing about some stupid shit that is not relevant to the topic?
This man did things with Pixar that made them a company that reliably makes amazing movies, he lead the movement in digital downloads for media, and he built the computers that run final cut studio.
As a videographer I have a great deal of admiration for Steve Jobs. Whether you like Macs or not, there arent a whole lot of people who have done as much as this man did.
He was responsible for the Apple][ in my elementary school back in the early 80s, and without him I would not have had my entire career (15 years at Pixar). I miss him, even though we only personally interacted a few times, and when we did, I was scared out of my mind and incoherently stupid.
It's hard for me to fully comprehend how much of our world is the way it is due to his influence, but it's maybe even harder for you younger people who didn't grow up in the 80s or earlier, when computer technology was really esoteric, clunky, unsexy, hard to use, and purely functional. I tried to write out my thoughts about it but it didn't come out right. It suffices to say that as a pretty techie, gadgety guy, I feel like a huge part of the way I live is due to Steve's influence, and I'm sad for his passing.
Well you can say what you want about the technical specs and price of the apple products. Steve Jobs hit the nail exactly on the top of the head when it comes to marketing on a global scale.
On October 06 2011 22:13 OpticalShot wrote: RIP to one of the greatest industry leaders of this century. Not everyone can agree to exactly where he ranks amongst the historic figures in technology, but I don't think anybody can argue against the fact that he was the number one driving force behind Apple's incredible surge in the past decade.
and the consumer technology world. you have to admit, without ipod, iphone, macbook air and ipad, the competitors would have taken a few more years to step up their game.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
RIP still wondering how the newspapers would look like if bill gates died. He almost did the same things with other methods but still he revolutionized the computer to a personal computer and a product everyone can own. Would maybe been awesome to have both those guys in ONE company. Anyways I hope bill gets some deserved credit too when dies, same as Steve deserves (t)his credit right now.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Yes, I would add that Steve Jobs certainly made the world more interpersonal. Without iPhone, as you pointed out, we'd probably still be stuck with the so-called engineer smart phones that were a pain to use. Apple has had a huge impact in making the internet available and useable to us all the time. And in making people want to be connected to the internet all the time. That is how Steve Jobs certainly changed the world.
On October 06 2011 22:13 OpticalShot wrote: RIP to one of the greatest industry leaders of this century. Not everyone can agree to exactly where he ranks amongst the historic figures in technology, but I don't think anybody can argue against the fact that he was the number one driving force behind Apple's incredible surge in the past decade.
and the consumer technology world. you have to admit, without ipod, iphone, macbook air and ipad, the competitors would have taken a few more years to step up their game.
better cheaper versions of most of those things already existed, it took the rabid fanboyism of apple lovers to make it popular. he was half way between the worlds greatest salesman and a cult leader.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Yes, I would add that Steve Jobs certainly made the world more interpersonal. Without iPhone, as you pointed out, we'd probably still be stuck with the so-called engineer smart phones that were a pain to use. Apple has had a huge impact in making the internet available and useable to us all the time. And in making people want to be connected to the internet all the time. That is how Steve Jobs certainly changed the world.
if they wanted to spread the usage of the internet they wouldnt price themselves out of 90% of markets. dont give apple praise for some humanistic qualities when they are clearly just another business
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Though we will never know how the world would have looked like without the iPhone interface... so still its a useless comment imo
I think that steve jobs created a competitive market place for smart phones. My 3 year old nokia had more hardware features than the newest iphone, but apps are what people want now.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
I don't really see how. I had an mp3 player long before the iPod came out, and it is not as if their macbooks significantly changed how widespread laptops were distributed.
The vast majority of lay men did not care about this man leading up to his death, and now that he died he's suddenly a divine, revered figure. It doesn't make any sense. It reeks of cheap sentimentality and I find it to be insulting to the actual death of this man.
May he Rest in Piece, but the event people make out of this disgust me. He was a brilliant entrepreneur, and if that was something I had interest in, I would probably look a to the guy. It's unbelievable how he built up apple during the last ~10 years. But making a smart phone that's a bit easier to use and a bit nicer to look at is NOT "changing the way we XY". As I said, you can call him an economic genius for making apple be able to put a 30% margin on everything, including stuff that competitors can't make money with at all, but stop pretending he's Jesus or NaDa or something.
On October 06 2011 22:13 OpticalShot wrote: RIP to one of the greatest industry leaders of this century. Not everyone can agree to exactly where he ranks amongst the historic figures in technology, but I don't think anybody can argue against the fact that he was the number one driving force behind Apple's incredible surge in the past decade.
and the consumer technology world. you have to admit, without ipod, iphone, macbook air and ipad, the competitors would have taken a few more years to step up their game.
better cheaper versions of most of those things already existed, it took the rabid fanboyism of apple lovers to make it popular. he was half way between the worlds greatest salesman and a cult leader.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Yes, I would add that Steve Jobs certainly made the world more interpersonal. Without iPhone, as you pointed out, we'd probably still be stuck with the so-called engineer smart phones that were a pain to use. Apple has had a huge impact in making the internet available and useable to us all the time. And in making people want to be connected to the internet all the time. That is how Steve Jobs certainly changed the world.
if they wanted to spread the usage of the internet they wouldnt price themselves out of 90% of markets. dont give apple praise for some humanistic qualities when they are clearly just another business
Don't build strawmen. Of course they are just another business. But they are a particularly large business. And by being so large they have had a large effect on the markets. And it just happens that Apple's market is interpersonal computing market.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Though we will never know how the world would have looked like without the iPhone interface... so still its a useless comment imo
I respect Steve Job for what he has done to the world and society in general but I must agree that even without iPhone, everything would stay relatively the same. Wouldn't Samsung Galaxy Tab, Blackberry and etc do the same thing? I actually like the interface without Itune better to get musics, just drag and drop.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market.
The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market.
The Apple Store in the Louvre was "sieged" by fans of Steve, putting down flowers, pictures, rememberance letters or just some phrases written in every language imaginable. It was actually a moving sight.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market.
The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market.
That's just 2 things.
The choice of using windows 7, windows xp, or any other linux distribution in my single pc wasn't a concept he brought into the market though.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market.
The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market.
That's just 2 things.
In Triumph of the Nerds, a fairly mainstream documentary about the rise of the computer industry, they state that xerox originally invented the concept of a mouse, and that someone stole the idea.
I actually want to thank the engineers who made this technology possible. everyone has ideas, we all do. There were tons of people who thought of the idea, but noone can make it come true, other than the brilliant skilled engineers and programmers who have the brain of mark zuckerberg.
Mark zuckerberg is the only person I'll thank since he programmed facebook on his own, atleast the majority of the back-end before it went public. Steve Jobs.... just meh Sure people can give him credit but if you really wanna get technical, he didn't contribute that much other than be at the meeting taking in ideas from people and picking the good ones. Ideas are not hard, making it come true is the hardest part.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work.
Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away.
Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty.
And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work".
Though we will never know how the world would have looked like without the iPhone interface... so still its a useless comment imo
I respect Steve Job for what he has done to the world and society in general but I must agree that even without iPhone, everything would stay relatively the same. Wouldn't Samsung Galaxy Tab, Blackberry and etc do the same thing? I actually like the interface without Itune better to get musics, just drag and drop.
You shouldn't give examples of products that came out after the Apple version,
Jobs made people realize what they want, whether you take that as a genuine compliment or a backhanded one, it's true. the Galaxy Tab wouldn't have survived in the market if nobody wanted a tab. Only with the Ipad did people want tablets. Don't you remember the weeks before the Ipad's anouncement? people were talking about how dumb it was as a product, and the name too.
it's kinda like scientific discoveries, when you look back at the history for each discovery, you'll often see different groups of people working on the same idea at the same time, though in the end, only one is remembered by many.
Blackberry is still doing what it's doing, iPhone just offers different stuff, like the touchscreen, which is all the craze with phones nowadays. And the App store, that, has changed a lot, though I don't know if Jobs had a hand with this, the App store is one of the craziest things, it allows your phone to do almost anything you can imagine, (also portable games for 99c? completely changed the handheld gaming market, Nintendo's 3DS had to drop like 100$ in 6 months).
Of course you can give tons of examples of products that do something in someway better than the apple products, but when you look at the technology markets, and at the trends around the world. You see that Jobs and Apple were able to change markets so drastically, it was as if there was some new scientific discovery. As if the tablet didn't exist until Jobs said it did... that's the kind of change he was capable of. Like I said. people didn't realize what they wanted, until Jobs told them.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market.
The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market.
That's just 2 things.
In Triumph of the Nerds, a fairly mainstream documentary about the rise of the computer industry, they state that xerox originally invented the concept of a mouse, and that someone stole the idea.
Bringing a concept into the market in a practical way isnt the same as having the initial concept of the item.
I would say he was THE most successful CEO in the history of America.
Here's an interesting interview with him. Some horrible questions but pretty funny to see how he handles them. Gonna miss his interviews and keynotes. The guy was just so intriguing just by the way he spoke.
On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote: I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday:
I cannot understand why this is such a big deal.
He changed the way people live forever.
Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
It's hard to explain fully, but, I think if you dig deeply, you'll find that almost all of the technology you use on a daily basis is in some way influenced by Steve Jobs.
Even if you don't have an iPhone or iPod or Mac computer, the fact that almost all of your devices are intuitive and easy to use is due to at least in part to him. He's not just a guy that said, "hey, there's an mp3 player, let's throw a click wheel on it and sell it for more money." He had direction, a clear vision of what he wanted the future to look like, and was an amazing leader and ceo who was able to make it happen. He cared about not just the functionality of the products, but the usability of it. Without him all your microsoft products would still be ugly, hard to use. You'd probably be running Starcraft with
dir cd c:\games\strcrft2 dir strcrft2.exe
, but not before running your dos4gw memory extender. and fixing your config.sys and autoexec.bat to make sure your mouse and os are running in high memory.
I dunno, it sounds simple, but the thing about making things simple, easy to use, and incredibly intuitive is that it's incredibly difficult, and when you've done your job right, it seems like it was always that way, and you can't imagine it any different.
It's hard, but just rewind 5 years, pre iPhone. Yeah, my phone back then could sort of access the internet too, and take pictures, and even had some super shitty scrolly games on it. But just try to imagine back then looking up something on teamliquid, or google maps, or finding directions to a restaurant. First of all, you didn't know it then, but your phone was ugly as sin because it probably slid open sideways and rotated in some random direction, so like 15% of the form factor was actually cheap plastic hinges, and then you've got some cursor controls and an activate button in the middle, and the web was some custom text-only or mostly-text thing, and it was buried 4 clicks down through some unintuitive menu system, and it was slow, and then when you got to where you wanted the menu bar would take up the first 3 screens of text.
Fast forward to now, and even if you're not on an iPhone, the fact that your phone is slick, sexy, fast, and... "maps, restaurants, yelp, google directions, call... 2 minutes later I have directions by walking or car or public transport to a restaurant 20 blocks away and reservations, too" - the reason that seems so natural, so obvious, and so easy, is Steve.
I think the Onion's article might sum it up best: "Last American Who Knew What The Fuck He Was Doing Dies." Dude had serious vision, a plan, and the talent and leadership to reshape the future.
Also, personal computers in general (Apple 1, Apple 2) Also, Gui (mouse keyboard, windows) in personal computer.
Why are people in this thread saying he invented the mouse, the operating system, GUIs and who knows what else. This is all false. The mouse is Doug Engelbart's and the modern GUI (the WIMP paradigm) comes from Xerox.
Jobs popularised them (and therein lies the greatness) but he was not some discoverer of computing. In fact, almost none of the things currently attributed to "Apple" were invented at Apple. Great design? Yes. Inventors? No...
I did not mean to imply that Steve Jobs invented the mouse and keyboard. Yah, xerox parc invented the wimp paradigm. But I think the fact that you are using them now (well, ok, the fact that they appeared in the personal market as early as they did) is attributable in part to him.
All the technology existed to listen to music on the go existed before the ipod, yes; the genius is integrating all the various pieces together; an mp3 player with a sexy sleek futuristic shell, integration with itunes, which made both purchasing music and organizing them painless (before you'd be ripping cds and tagging them or hoping your cheesy freeware software would correctly find cddb and tag it for you, throw them in the right folders, make sure your bitrate and file naming template was set right, etc etc ad nauseum). Then he leveraged that into the video ipod and iphone and videos on itunes, appletv, etc..
In retrospect the progression to the point where you're hooked up to the internet all the time and can watch streaming movies on netflix or youtube directly to your phone while you sit in a bus or airport while checking for your flight status and renting a car at your destination may seem obvious, but looking forward from 2000 it wasn't so obvious. I think he was a total badass.
On October 11 2011 15:55 frugalfungal wrote: you guys don't have to make a debate about every single thing that happens on TL. He died and that's all to it, RIP Steve Jobs
is this your first death memorial thread? TL users were quick to shit on ryan dunn and amy whinehouse without giving a second thought.
On October 11 2011 15:42 RibsNGibs wrote: I did not mean to imply that Steve Jobs invented the mouse and keyboard. Yah, xerox parc invented the wimp paradigm. But I think the fact that you are using them now (well, ok, the fact that they appeared in the personal market as early as they did) is attributable in part to him.
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I think he was a total badass.
I agree with you. The greatness was in enforcing a good design and having a good vision for how to combine features that already existed (oh, and marketing). But I just didn't want people to think that Apple somehow invented the tech or interaction. Love him or hate him, RIP to a visionary.
On October 11 2011 15:55 frugalfungal wrote: you guys don't have to make a debate about every single thing that happens on TL. He died and that's all to it, RIP Steve Jobs
is this your first death memorial thread? TL users were quick to shit on ryan dunn and amy whinehouse without giving a second thought.
Did you just compare Amy winehouse and Ryan Dunn to Steve jobs. She had it coming for years now. Perhaps Steve Jobs did too with his cancer but whole different level here man. And whoever is shitting on Steve Jobs needs to get their life checked out because that man is a legend and has done more than anyone here will ever do in their life even in only 56 years. RIP.
I still think it was a disgruntled Iphone user who was upset that it was only a 4gs release and there won't be Iphone 5 yet!
On October 11 2011 11:17 Rhine wrote: Why are people in this thread saying he invented the mouse, the operating system, GUIs and who knows what else. This is all false. The mouse is Doug Engelbart's and the modern GUI (the WIMP paradigm) comes from Xerox.
Jobs popularised them (and therein lies the greatness) but he was not some discoverer of computing. In fact, almost none of the things currently attributed to "Apple" were invented at Apple. Great design? Yes. Inventors? No...
I don't think anybody worth two cents gives Steve Jobs the credit for inventing the GUI, or the mouse, or the WIMP paradigm. However, Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology. Steve Jobs did. He not only had the vision of what to do with technology; he also had the vision to pick the right people and give them the adequate resources—and direction—to create.
Steve Jobs was not the most prolific inventor in a technical level, but he understood technology far more than people give him credit for.
Here are some good pieces:
1. technology by itself is useless; it needs to provide something to the customer. Furthermore, it should be invisible to the user.
To provide some context, OpenDoc started as an IBM/Apple initiative to make document creation vendor-independent. In paper it was great, but it never produced something people could reliably use, and the end result was not better. It was one of the first things that Jobs killed when returning to Apple.
2. seamless cloud computing. And by seamless, completely transparent to the user, no need to know the data is in the server. iCloud is *a lot* like this, where the cloud is integrated at the application level, and changes are synced "automagically". This is a step further from say, Dropbox, where you need to specify what files are to be synced by a third party program.
3. "It's incredibly stupid for Apple to be in a position where for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose". The basis of Apple's long-term winning strategy.
Steve Jobs understood back then that Apple should not play the game of the competition (Microsoft in software, Wintel in hardware). This is what allowed them to do their own thing, and be the one company than no matter the market share, they remain profitable and successful. See what happened with HP, current market share leader in the consumer market. if you don't know, performance is so bad HP is seriously considering to exit the market, like IBM did with Lenovo.
(This is also why I think Kindle Fire will be the most successful non-Apple tablet: unlike everybody else, especially the Android tablet makers, Amazon is not going after Apple. Amazon is doing their own thing, focusing on the value of their own market, just like how Apple does.)
Really, watch all five parts. This is right after Steve Jobs' return to Apple in 1997, and you can see how Jobs had a very good idea of where he wanted Apple to go. This is also in a Developer Conference, so you get to see him talk to technical people, outside of the usual Keynote style most people only know him for.
Steve Jobs also was a big driver of the architecture of the NeXT operating system and development toolkit. The machines were extremely expensive, but they were truly ahead of their time. It is no coincidence that despite the price they were very popular for research, and technologies such as the World Wide Web were created on NeXT computers.
It may not look like much today, but this is from the early 90s, where most people was still on DOS and had little notion of networking.
On October 09 2011 10:33 HellRoxYa wrote: You're talking about marketing. And that's what he did. Almost all that he did. And yes, he was an expert at it.
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford.
It's a lot more than marketing. Regular users will be biased towards what they already know, and that is not a good way to figure out the next big thing.
Before the iPhone, the notion of a "good" smartphone having no keyboard was laughable, web browsing was an painful gimmick, and touch screens were nowhere as good as a stylus.
That was because the most popular smartphones were Blackberrys, there was no such thing as a real good mobile web browser (Mozilla was working on a version for the Nokia N series but took them too long), and the best touch screen cellpones available were clunky.
Sure, touch screen typing is mot as good as keyboard, but Apple provided way too many advantages with everything else.
(This is also why I think Kindle Fire will be the most successful non-Apple tablet: unlike everybody else, especially the Android tablet makers, Amazon is not going after Apple. Amazon is doing their own thing, focusing on the value of their own market, just like how Apple does.)
Android, as a strategy, exists to push Google's services onto consumers so its by no means as benevolent as everyone wants to make it out to be. The Amazon Fire is literally a Trojan horse in that they basically take Google's operating system and cut out everything Google wants Android to do: Amazon is pushing their own web service and data collector, that is Silk (Opera 2.0?), as well as push their own digital stores.
Amazon is likely going to subsidies the hardware and recoup it on increased usage of their services - Amazon can probably decrease the total cost per unit since I imagine they're extremely good at inventory management. Its cheap enough for people to buy it without thinking too much about it, its cheaper than Android tablets that offer nothing compared to the iPad, and it allows Amazon to start pushing/branching out their digital services more strongly. Its probably not going to be very good as an actual device but its so cheap that buyer's remorse probably isn't going to kick in.
This is an example of good marketing. Marketing isn't just pushing advertisements. Marketing includes building business relationships, targeting areas where you can outmaneuver your opponent, building good relationships with suppliers/manufacturers to decrease production costs, as well as branding (which is the only thing people only look at it seems).
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Quote from his biography. What a douche, somehow i'm glad his thermonuclear war epicly failed. Too bad he isn't here anymore to witness Apple lose their number 1 smartphone maker spot to Samsung.
A stolen product ? iphone is nothing more then a ripoff too..
I just saw on the news that he didn't want to have surgery and tried to eat fruits and vegetables or some shit, then wanted surgery when it was too late. What the hell?
You should read the wikileaks page. The last sentence says 'Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.' So you should have at least said 'May have been HIV positive'.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
thanks
It's a risky thing man, good to hear your father pulled through though.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
thanks
It does work, but to do so it weakens the body first, nutrition is the better way to go, my friend's father decided to opt for chemo, everything the nutritionist said would happen did, he passed away unfortunately...
You should read the wikileaks page. The last sentence says 'Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.' So you should have at least said 'May have been HIV positive'.
On October 21 2011 21:04 John Madden wrote: He wasn't a douche like that, you are reading it out of context.
No, the context of it is pretty bad. He hated Schmidt after he left Apple's board and believed Google stole their ideas, which is ironic for Jobs himself. And there's a lot of other indications that he was a douche like that. He was not a kind person. His greatness doesn't extend outside the upper class or the business and technology world. Everything he worked on was a first world problem, and the people mourning him are those who are lucky enough to pay for his products. When they say he "changed the world," they mean "he made things more convenient for rich folks."
It's one thing to mourn a man, but people have taken it too far with the idolatry, especially in California.
On October 21 2011 21:04 John Madden wrote: He wasn't a douche like that, you are reading it out of context.
No, the context of it is pretty bad. He hated Schmidt after he left Apple's board and believed Google stole their ideas, which is ironic for Jobs himself. And there's a lot of other indications that he was a douche like that. He was not a kind person. His greatness doesn't extend outside the upper class or the business and technology world. Everything he worked on was a first world problem, and the people mourning him are those who are lucky enough to pay for his products. When they say he "changed the world," they mean "he made things more convenient for rich folks."
It's one thing to mourn a man, but people have taken it too far with the idolatry, especially in California.
I agree with this. You can respect the man for a lot of things, but being a nice guy isn't one of them. hell, ask just about anyone that worked with him what kind of character he had. Steve Jobs was a marketing (and arguably technological) genius, but he certainly wasn't a philanthropist. Don't turn his achievements into a personality cult; people already did that when he was alive.
It's amazing to me how much mourning there is over a guy whose chief contribution to society was a bunch of cheap, unsafely-made, but shiny consumer electronics on a 9 month replacement cycle. I also love how in 'innovation' has completely replaced 'progress' in the modern lexicon, especially when dealing with worship of our corporate overlords.
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Quote from his biography. What a douche, somehow i'm glad his thermonuclear war epicly failed. Too bad he isn't here anymore to witness Apple lose their number 1 smartphone maker spot to Samsung.
A stolen product ? iphone is nothing more then a ripoff too..
Damn but people have short memories. Do you remember Microsoft Windows? A shameless copy of the Mac OS in many ways, and it went on to dominate the market. When Android came to do the same (the contention here is that Android contains a lot of code that was stolen from iOS), Jobs said 'enough is enough', and wasn't willing to let that happen again.
IF he is right and Android is a stolen product, then I can completely understand and support his crusade against it.
Everyone has varying opinions of Steve Jobs but to me I truly admire his amazing passion for good design. Good design changes the world and it's nice to see it penetrating the mainstream market for once.