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On August 12 2011 17:18 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:14 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On August 12 2011 17:11 kaisen wrote:On August 12 2011 17:10 Misanthrophic13 wrote:
By the way.
Some Human life is more precious than animal life, to say otherwise is lunacy.
Fixed. ALL human lives are more precious man, even the dirtiest scum in arkham asylum is more important then that bear. Just want to say that i disagree with you. I would easily 'trade' some scumbag molester or rapists life for animals life. I don't give a fuck about those who does horrible things to other human beings. i.e murder, rape and all that shit. Yeah, might sound cold but that is how i think.
Yes it does sound cold. A rapist child molesters life is equal value of ours. When you direct hatred towards other humans, it only fuels your mind with fear(hate). You do not know what that child molester did, or experience. People are driven to insanity and commit suicide, people do crazy things, but hating them is simply not a good solution for yourself.
What did Ghandi say to a man who confessed he killed a little kid from another religion? He said, find a homeless/parentless boy about his same age, raise him as your own, but with the kids religion. This increases growth in us and is different then just judging them as scumbags who are lesser values of.. everything.
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On August 12 2011 17:31 Misanthrophic13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:24 crappen wrote:On August 12 2011 17:10 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 12 2011 17:06 Rorra wrote:On August 12 2011 16:57 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I support the Chinese on this 110%
Who gives a fuck about animals feelings, only thing that's important is it's bile to make medicine for us humans. Also anyone who doesn't support this must be a vegetarian, please don't eat meat because farms are torture to animals as well your being unfair to the chickens and cows. Oh I'm a vegetarian, and I definitely agree that there are plenty of hypocritical people arguing about this sort of thing to a certain degree. However in the end it isn't as comparable as you think, Having a life of torture and dying from disease, or just pain etc is hardly the same as living alive in a field for a long time then being slaughtered. Sure as a vegetarian I disagree with both but they definitely don't fall under the same umbrella. Come on man, you were trolled. By the way. Human life is more precious than animal life, to say otherwise is lunacy. Your name tells me you are trolling? Either way, I feel better valueing human beings along side animals. I kill annoying bugs, I fish etc, its not the killing that is mistreating animals, its when we are responsible for their entire lifes, that it would be better if we treated them with equal respect as humans. So yes, I am saying, killing is perfectly fine, but treating them when they are alive should be of high quality. Greed. In China, the wholesale price of Bear Bile is around 4000 yuan (approximately $580) per kilogram. I have a pet dog who has been in the family for 7 years, god forbid, if my family had run out of resources, I would not hesitate to kill him to feed my family. Call me callous.
There is NOTHING wrong in killing, but you most likely would never mistreat the family dog. I would also kill the dog.
But yes, the word "profit" is such an evil word.
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your using a modifier thats throwing me off.
What good is a bear? What good is your average human? I would hope the metric is success to the human species. This is the height of preponderance though, as it eschews vary many values and practices in human society.
We have to measure against our own survival. Then we have to measure against our needs and wants. Then we have to measure against the needs and wants of everybody else. cattle easy beef, comes in as an undefeated heavy weight and i willn't disparage those who consume. On a micro level the same can be said for the backwards CTM people who still feed this practice.
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Can a biologist tell me, if animals are capable of such thinking? I don't think I've ever heard a story like this where a mother would kill its child so it doesn't need to suffer anymore and then ran into a wall to kill itself (wtf).
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It's more likely that it was driven insane from the torture and inadvertently killed the cub.
EDIT: I'm not a biologist, but come on now, this just makes more sense :/
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On August 12 2011 17:32 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:18 Grettin wrote:On August 12 2011 17:14 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On August 12 2011 17:11 kaisen wrote:On August 12 2011 17:10 Misanthrophic13 wrote:
By the way.
Some Human life is more precious than animal life, to say otherwise is lunacy.
Fixed. ALL human lives are more precious man, even the dirtiest scum in arkham asylum is more important then that bear. Just want to say that i disagree with you. I would easily 'trade' some scumbag molester or rapists life for animals life. I don't give a fuck about those who does horrible things to other human beings. i.e murder, rape and all that shit. Yeah, might sound cold but that is how i think. A rapist child molesters life is equal value of ours.
Interesting moral framework you have there.
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On August 12 2011 14:54 Equity213 wrote:
Im not one of those PETA freaks, but is this shit really necessary? Even zoos dont seem to be worth the mild amusement we get from them.
Theres nothing wrong with eating animals, but do we really have to torture them and keep them in cages?
Most animals you eat have been tortured and kept in cages before landing on your plate. That's the big deal. If we were only a few millions of hunter-gatherers across the globe, there would be nothing wrong with eating animals. Unfortunately that's not the case.
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On August 12 2011 17:38 Empyrean wrote:
It's more likely that it was driven insane from the torture and inadvertently killed the cub.
EDIT: I'm not a biologist, but come on now, this just makes more sense :/
well that's what I think, but the news seems to suggest otherwise (or maybe trying to be sensationalist) Unable to free the cub from its restraints, the mother hugged the cub and eventually strangled it.
It then dropped the cub and ran head-first into a wall, killing itself.
I know there are animals which kill their cubs if they are ill/infected/somehow physically disabled but I'm sure it's not because they want to spare them from suffering thinking death will be better for them.
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I think its possible that the bear could kill its cub, but the mother bear killing itself with driving its head into the wall. I think its a bit hard to comprehend.
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absolute fluke the cub died, and the mother so shocked that she killed her own child that she killed herself.
fluke why? because it tried to save the cub by i guess pulling it out the cage, and killing it in the process.
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On August 12 2011 17:48 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 14:54 Equity213 wrote:
Im not one of those PETA freaks, but is this shit really necessary? Even zoos dont seem to be worth the mild amusement we get from them.
Theres nothing wrong with eating animals, but do we really have to torture them and keep them in cages? Most animals you eat have been tortured and kept in cages before landing on your plate. That's the big deal. If we were only a few millions of hunter-gatherers across the globe, there would be nothing wrong with eating animals. Unfortunately that's not the case.
nope
Animals are treated if they are sick, are fed, and least around here, arent locked up 24 per 7. I realize there are lots of cases when the conditions arent good, but still let s be realistic this is far too extreme.
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That's... sad, strange and interesting all at once. Would never have suspected something like this would happen.
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This is so fucked up. Can't believe this is legal in China.
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On August 12 2011 17:38 Empyrean wrote:
It's more likely that it was driven insane from the torture and inadvertently killed the cub.
EDIT: I'm not a biologist, but come on now, this just makes more sense :/
This is ofcourse very possible but as always when discussing animals (or small children) thoughts we just dont have a clue. That´s why it´s so silly to say that for instance monkeys are stupid. Sure, they probably are pretty stupid but there is a possibility that they just dont really feel like showing off hehe. Extreme example but you get my point.
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Did they cut off the paws afterwards? Bear paw is a delicacy. (people eat strange stuff and like it)
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On August 12 2011 17:48 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 14:54 Equity213 wrote:
Im not one of those PETA freaks, but is this shit really necessary? Even zoos dont seem to be worth the mild amusement we get from them.
Theres nothing wrong with eating animals, but do we really have to torture them and keep them in cages? Most animals you eat have been tortured and kept in cages before landing on your plate. That's the big deal. If we were only a few millions of hunter-gatherers across the globe, there would be nothing wrong with eating animals. Unfortunately that's not the case.
There are still moral problems with meat eating at a small scale though. Why does an animal deserve to die? Why do we need to eat meat when we can eaqually easily live off a plant based diet nowadays?
The only time I can say that I feel that eating meat is morally justifiable is in a live or die situation, but hell. If I was in one of those I would eat human aswell.
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On August 12 2011 16:00 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:59 nalgene wrote:
That "heat" thing is actually more ingrained in their language... since they always use the word "hot"+"air" or something... whenever they talk about things relating to fried food of any sort... Yes, and it has little basis in physical fact.
Not condoning this at all, but after reading the thread, i just find it annoying people keep attacking the chinese/ chinese medicine culture. As for the many people stating the chinese saying"hot air" is utter crap. As far as i know, the "hot air" term refers to having to many free radicals in your body from eating refined foods etc or "high heat", which is indeed harmful to your health. and the remedies for this is to consume foods that "lower heat" aka foods rich in antioxidants which inhibit free radical production. I think its just a lack of actual biological understanding of many chinese people, so they cant explain it. But the principles and practices actually make sense.
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Disgusting, really I can't believe that people can do this shit....
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If this is true then that's really weird :S. After all Bear's are just animals, but they must be really intelligent to make a decision like that.
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Frankly, this kind of thing just makes me want to blow my brains out, humans are the most disgusting, violent animals on the earth, i am truly ashamed that our minds can think of things like this, torturing animals/people, is truly unbelievable and makes me sick to my stomach, we are the ones ruining this planet. am i wrong?
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