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Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 16
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Leave the animal rights and treatment discussion out of this topic. Thanks. -Nyovne | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Disgusting. | ||
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raviy
Australia207 Posts
2. Someone come up with a succinct argument as to why the torture and harvesting of poultry, cows, pigs, fish, etc., is different to the torture and harvesting of bears, monkeys, turtles, dogs, cats, <insert anything else that people deem "cute">. 3. If you don't believe Western societies torture animals in a similar way, look up how you get foie gras. 4. Firstly, most practitioners of Chinese medicine are against using controversial traditional ingredients. The minority who do by choice. They don't have to use those specific ingredients, just as you don't have to eat chicken. The point being that, despite some saying that meat is a necessity for mankind, chicken is not. Why not eat the meat bearing creature that suffers the least? Why not restrict the entire human consumption of meat to just beef for example? 5. I don't see why people are shocked to discover that animals have emotions, and can act on them. A gorilla used sign language to describe his mother being shot as he watched. Humans are animals, we are different in the sense that we are a different species. We don't consider that animals share such similarities with us because the vast majority of people don't want to think about it. | ||
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Mortal
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(No I'm not some vegetarian douche that thinks animals shouldn't be eaten. I love meat as much as the next guy; this is another matter entirely) | ||
Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
 r.i.p. bears | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:24 StarBrift wrote: Torturing animals for some superstitious vodoo shit that is clearly doesnt work in reality. The peoples of this world are so fucking stupid. This kind of post infuriates me because it's completely devoid of logic and irrelevant to the issue at hand. What is the problem at hand? Torturing animals for the sake of superstitious voodoo bullshit, you say. First, the Chinese people using it disagree. You respond that science proves it's bullshit (which it doesn't, actually. Read Emp's posts in this thread) which leads me to the crux of the problem in your post. The problem is not that they are torturing animals for the sake of superstitious voodoo bullshit. The problem is that they are torturing animals. If it turned out bear bile had an incredibly important and unique property, lending itself to provide the cure for cancer, is torturing animals then not a problem? I'd wager most of you will say yes. Human life more valuable than bear life, etc. That's fine, it's a judgement call. Now, what if bear bile contained properties which could only aid something more mild, such as arthritis and joint damage or reverse the effects of osteoporosis? Then is it worth farming and torturing them? That leads us back to reality. A horrible practice is taking place, for the sake of slight medicinal value. StarBrift, your argument, and the argument of many people in this thread, is contingent on the consequence of the action, when the action itself is inherently horrible and disgusting. | ||
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Bakkendepao
Netherlands185 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2095 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:32 Bakkendepao wrote: This is inhumane... really what has become to this fucked up world? These types of practices have been around for a long time. Not something that has just suddenly happened recently. | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:41 Slakter wrote: Once again, since I dont feel that my english is good enough to actually have an intelligent discussion without making myself and my cause look retarded I refrain from the discussion. However I do hope you read the book "Animal Liberation" by Peter Singer and watch this video. A man who not only is more moral than me but also a lot smarter. And with that I´m done with the offtopic! Thanks for this. good video, might have to check out the book as well. | ||
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craque
United States32 Posts
A couple thoughts: What sense does bashing the Chinese, or traditional Chinese medicine make? It's the Chinese media reporting on this thus they also think the practice is abhorrent and are working to try to change it. As for the bears acting in a "human" manner, I think it should be fairly obvious that the connection is most probably non-existent but is being played up to stir up more public outrage. If bears actually possessed these "human" qualities there would be much more evidence than just this one example to back it up. I don't think people using animals as a resource is inherently evil. In fact in this case, if the harvesting of the bile were done in a more humane manner there would be less ethical issues with it than using animals for food, since the bears wouldn't be killed. | ||
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
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Kattfisk
Sweden29 Posts
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Josri
Netherlands219 Posts
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Psychobabas
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:21 raviy wrote: most practitioners of Chinese medicine are against using controversial traditional ingredients. The minority who do by choice. Source? | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
This shit saddens me. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Even though I'm not the biggest animal rights patriot, shit like this is plain wrong. | ||
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
Still though, awesomely done by mama-bear to break herself and her cub free from torture, as death>torture into death. | ||
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