EPTthe worker who reported it, obviously
it sounds more like a cover story
Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 12
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
the worker who reported it, obviously it sounds more like a cover story | ||
Empyrean
16953 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:58 acker wrote: The same thing is starting to happen to Korea and has been happening to Japan...they still use traditional stuff, but they've thrown away a lot of the counterproductive and useless remedies over the last few decades. And it's not like they don't have millennia of culture...admittedly, most of it derived from China. Ahem. (but yes, I see your point. Unfortunately, China is behind both Korea and Japan in terms of development). | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:47 Empyrean wrote: Please don't delude yourself that this is how all, or even the majority, of Canadian livestock is treated. Most Canadian livestock is raised in the same way that most American livestock is: in factory settings on an industrial scale. This is atleast how they do it here in Alberta anyway, we've had rules in place about most livestock for years. Your average cow lives 10-15 years, all but about a 100 days in a pasture, the last 100 has them drugged up eating as much as possible. Here, read as much as you want: http://www.albertabeef.org/res/cp-RecCodeOfPracticeBeefCattle.pdf Due note that while it says "reccomended code" it is pretty well universally followed as the tax breaks you get for passing inspections is more than worth it from what I understand. Especially since the vast majority of Canadian farming in general is done by small family farms. It isn't like we don't have an excess of land available. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote: the worker who reported it, obviously it sounds more like a cover story my thoughts exactly, it feels like something made up to cover for the death of the bears. maybe they were mishandled or something. running into a wall to kill yourself just doesn't really feel... possible. but maybe it is for bears who knows | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
Do we have reason to think that it works? - A causal mechanism that makes sense given what we currently know (i.e. current medical science) - Any good experimental evidence regarding its efficacy | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:03 arbitrageur wrote: Do we have reason to think that it works? - A causal mechanism that makes sense given what we currently know (i.e. current medical science) - Any good experimental evidence regarding its efficacy I don't think a case has been made for acupuncture's effectiveness other than the placebo effect in clinical double blind trials. | ||
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Empyrean
16953 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:03 arbitrageur wrote: Do we have reason to think that it works? - A causal mechanism that makes sense given what we currently know (i.e. current medical science) - Any good experimental evidence regarding its efficacy Before people post studies, I'm going to jump in real fast and request that the studies be carried out by a large research or government affiliated institution, double-blind, placebo-controlled, with good experimental design. Studies "proving" the efficacy of acupuncture abound on the web. They're just often bunk. | ||
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Giwoon
Korea (South)431 Posts
is this real? omg wtf china | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:57 Kamais_Ookin wrote: I support the Chinese on this 110% Who gives a fuck about animals feelings, only thing that's important is it's bile to make medicine for us humans. Also anyone who doesn't support this must be a vegetarian, please don't eat meat because farms are torture to animals as well your being unfair to the chickens and cows. Oh I'm a vegetarian, and I definitely agree that there are plenty of hypocritical people arguing about this sort of thing to a certain degree. However in the end it isn't as comparable as you think, Having a life of torture and dying from disease, or just pain etc is hardly the same as living alive in a field for a long time then being slaughtered. Sure as a vegetarian I disagree with both but they definitely don't fall under the same umbrella. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:06 Rorra wrote: Oh I'm a vegetarian, and I definitely agree that there are plenty of hypocritical people arguing about this sort of thing to a certain degree. However in the end it isn't as comparable as you think, Having a life of torture and dying from disease, or just pain etc is hardly the same as living alive in a field for a long time then being slaughtered. Sure as a vegetarian I disagree with both but they definitely don't fall under the same umbrella. You've been trolled sir, the only proper response is to not reply. | ||
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Misanthrophic13
Bahrain22 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:57 Kamais_Ookin wrote: I support the Chinese on this 110% Who gives a fuck about animals feelings, only thing that's important is it's bile to make medicine for us humans. Also anyone who doesn't support this must be a vegetarian, please don't eat meat because farms are torture to animals as well your being unfair to the chickens and cows. Rofl | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:06 Rorra wrote: It's absolutely comparable, do you know what happens in the factories? Pretty much same thing to the bear. Cramped, shitty living conditions, tortured at times killed slow etc etc.Oh I'm a vegetarian, and I definitely agree that there are plenty of hypocritical people arguing about this sort of thing to a certain degree. However in the end it isn't as comparable as you think, Having a life of torture and dying from disease, or just pain etc is hardly the same as living alive in a field for a long time then being slaughtered. Sure as a vegetarian I disagree with both but they definitely don't fall under the same umbrella. | ||
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Misanthrophic13
Bahrain22 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:06 Rorra wrote: Oh I'm a vegetarian, and I definitely agree that there are plenty of hypocritical people arguing about this sort of thing to a certain degree. However in the end it isn't as comparable as you think, Having a life of torture and dying from disease, or just pain etc is hardly the same as living alive in a field for a long time then being slaughtered. Sure as a vegetarian I disagree with both but they definitely don't fall under the same umbrella. Come on man, you were trolled. By the way. Human life is more precious than animal life, to say otherwise is lunacy. | ||
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:08 johanngrunt wrote: You've been trolled sir, the only proper response is to not reply. I wasn't certain whether or not it was the case, and it may or may not be. I've met people that argue just like that poster in real life, so as abstract as it may seem to most people that have any sympathy at all, its possible. so why not respond. Edit: Ok seeing his follow up post he's obviously trolling. Wasn't aware that was so acceptable at tl. the troll can laugh all he wants at his successful troll or whatever, I don't really care. The sad thing is that there are real people with that point of view. | ||
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:10 Misanthrophic13 wrote: By the way. Some Human life is more precious than animal life, to say otherwise is lunacy. Fixed. | ||
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Empyrean
16953 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:09 Kamais_Ookin wrote: It's absolutely comparable, do you know what happens in the factories? Pretty much same thing to the bear. Cramped, shitty living conditions, tortured at times killed slow etc etc. It's sarcasm ._. | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
"However, it is believed more than 12,000 bile bears are kept on farms in China, Vietnam and South Korea for the purpose of harvesting ursodeoxycholic acid. Ursodeoxycholic acid is found in large quantities in bear bile." That's a lot of bears . . I wouldn't have guessed that it's happening in South Korea too. Poor bears  ... That said, I think people should realize it's not just China doing this. A lot of shit needs to change around the world. | ||
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