EPTMother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 11
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Leave the animal rights and treatment discussion out of this topic. Thanks. -Nyovne | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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AustinCM
Canada275 Posts
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Nella
United States64 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:34 .Aar wrote: The way I see it.. if people make a big enough deal over this, the Chinese government might go ahead and take action to show the world how modern/civilized it is? Good PR move IMO. The Chinese government's official stance on this is that bile farms deter moon bear, the type of bear used, poaching. Its estimated that 10,000 bears would die each year to poaching compared to the ~8000 bears kept in captivity. I suppose from a pure numbers standpoint this is true, since the captive bears could reproduce and leave the wild population untouched. However, imo the conditions the bears face on the farms is disgusting and changes must be made. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote: They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it. Differences is the chickens are killed usually within a couple weeks not kept alive to be repeatedly harvested. Killing an animal and keeping one alive in extreme pain is very different. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:25 crappen wrote: Is this REALLY how you guys raise cows? Really? If so, Im impressed by Canada. Yup. Here's a picture of a farm just off the highway inbetween Edmonton and Calgary: ![[image loading]](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2514288659_26fa33b2a3_z.jpg?zz=1) I mean yeah we kill them, but they still lead a full and carefree life before then. We do however keep them in stables during the winter, but I'd like to think it is preferable that way... -40 is a touch cold. | ||
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RoyaleBrainSlug
United States295 Posts
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Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 16:43 acker wrote: We got rid of most of the quackery in America over the last century the same way...it takes a while, but it's more certain. Superstition tends to die fast when science comes around. I'm not saying that it'll get rid of all of it, but it permanently reduces it. It's actually incredibly hard to articulate my entire line of thought, but traditional Chinese beliefs have been entrenched in the collective psyche for millennia, and I highly doubt that the government's going to do away with them, even among a small portion of the population. Traditional beliefs come with the idea of China's inherent superiority to other cultures, and traditional medicine is widely considered to be a useful line of inquiry, parallel or even superior to modern medicine. Like...I can't explain it. You're never going to get rid of these beliefs in a large segment of the population. | ||
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Empyrean
17057 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:46 iCanada wrote: Yup. Here's a picture of a farm just off the highway inbetween Edmonton and Calgary: I mean yeah we kill them, but they still lead a full and carefree life before then. Please don't delude yourself that this is how all, or even the majority, of Canadian livestock is treated. Most Canadian livestock is raised in the same way that most American livestock is: in factory settings on an industrial scale. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
I didn't know bears where this smart or 'human like' (Seeing as it knew the pain of killing a child [to save it from tourtue] and then feel remorse for what is has done) In other news. This is pretty sickening. | ||
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Empyrean
17057 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:50 FryktSkyene wrote: Wow. I didn't know bears where this smart or 'human like' (Seeing as it knew the pain of killing a child [to save it from tourtue] and then feel remorse for what is has done) In other news. This is pretty sickening. Again, this is ascribing purpose to action. It's more likely that the bear was driven insane by the torture and inadvertently killed its child and itself. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:46 iCanada wrote: Yup. Here's a picture of a farm just off the highway inbetween Edmonton and Calgary: I mean yeah we kill them, but they still lead a full and carefree life before then. We do however keep them in stables during the winter, but I'd like to think it is preferable that way... -40 is a touch cold. You are kidding me right? Most Canadian cows are produced in a factory setting just like America. Mongolia, however, actually raises cows like that. I love Mongolia. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:51 Empyrean wrote: Again, this is ascribing purpose to action. It's more likely that the bear was driven insane by the torture and inadvertently killed its child and itself. either or, it doesn't really matter, those bears shouldn't be treated that way in the first place. On August 12 2011 16:47 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: So... does this mean that there actually isn't enough human suicides to satisfy the news? we have to look towards animals? ... wow sympathy much, you're not even vaguely disturbed by this... why even post that here, why post at all? | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
Somedays, I just hate being Chinese. Can't wait to be back in the states.....15 more days.... | ||
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jarrydesque
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Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 16:53 Rorra wrote: either or, it doesn't really matter, those bears shouldn't be treated that way in the first place. Oh, I completely agree with you, I was just annoyed at all the posts claiming that the bear is somehow incredibly intelligent and has developed a sense of altruism and complex morality. On August 12 2011 16:52 neoghaleon55 wrote: God! What is it with these assholes and being a dick to animals. If you want to use it's stuff than fucking kill it already! Fucking chinese! I'm ashamed to be one. My parents tell me stories like these that I never want to hear. Like how villagers would chop off half a fish at the right angle so that it'll barely survive...that way you can save it for later meals. Fucking retarded animal cruelty. :/ | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
Who gives a fuck about animals feelings, only thing that's important is it's bile to make medicine for us humans. Also anyone who doesn't support this must be a vegetarian, please don't eat meat because farms are torture to animals as well your being unfair to the chickens and cows. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:47 Empyrean wrote: It's actually incredibly hard to articulate my entire line of thought, but traditional Chinese beliefs have been entrenched in the collective psyche for millennia, and I highly doubt that the government's going to do away with them, even among a small portion of the population. Traditional beliefs come with the idea of China's inherent superiority to other cultures, and traditional medicine is widely considered to be a useful line of inquiry, parallel or even superior to modern medicine. Like...I can't explain it. You're never going to get rid of these beliefs in a large segment of the population. The same thing is starting to happen to Korea and has been happening to Japan...they still use traditional stuff, but they've thrown away a lot of the counterproductive and useless remedies over the last few decades. And it's not like they don't have millennia of culture...admittedly, most of it derived from China. On August 12 2011 16:57 Empyrean wrote: Oh, I completely agree with you, I was just annoyed at all the posts claiming that the bear is somehow incredibly intelligent and has developed a sense of altruism and complex morality. Actually, altruism is a trait selected for by evolution in almost every organism, from bacteria to humans (I literally mean bacteria). Intelligence really isn't necessary for altruism, though it certainly increases its complexity. | ||
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. I know animal cruelty happens in tons of areas of agriculture, but it always just makes me fking sad. Wish all agriculture used humane practices, even though that's mostly an empty gesture too. 
