EPTedit: what is this link http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/take-action.html ? Some petition? How do I know its legit, not just some laughable scam to collect emails? When money is involved, human trust disappears..
Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 9
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
edit: what is this link http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/take-action.html ? Some petition? How do I know its legit, not just some laughable scam to collect emails? When money is involved, human trust disappears.. | ||
Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 16:06 Dhalphir wrote: Bear bile has approximately the same effect as homeopathic remedies. That is to say, fuck-all. Do you know how many times I've had to post this already? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol#As_a_pharmaceutical So yes, it has clinical effectiveness against certain conditions. No, Chinese people aren't using it for those conditions so it has no effect for what they're using it for. | ||
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Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 16:04 KingofHearts wrote: Please take action now and sign the petition here http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/take-action.html we must do everything we can to help, including boycotting all bears and animals products. By the way, this'll do nothing. The Chinese government isn't going to crack down on this industry when it has better things to do with its time (currently trying to manage the massive scandal with large scale infrastructure projects), and those that buy these products are going to continue to do so, as they're virtually all incredibly superstitious people, generally without internet access anyway. But it's a good gesture. Unfortunately, there's pretty much nothing we can do about it. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:25 StorkHwaiting wrote: Hahaha, wow you must not know me at all. Lol, the only reason I quoted you on that was because you directed all the hate and abuse TOWARDS Chinese people. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:11 Flameling wrote: Lol, the only reason I quoted you on that was because you directed all the hate and abuse TOWARDS Chinese people. There is a difference between raising cows in an open pasture with tons of food, water, and sex before killing them in old age for our own survival, and trapping bears in cages smaller than they are while doing surgery without anesthesia then letting the bear live in excruciating pain for the rest of its life. Hell, had this bear not been trapped in his cage he would be out there murdering other furry creatures for her own. | ||
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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KingofHearts
Japan562 Posts
http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/take-action.html and it doesnt cost your bile to sign it. | ||
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PeaNuT_T
Sweden326 Posts
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GuYuTe-
United States550 Posts
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:17 KingofHearts wrote: just sign it .at least you are doing something . http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/take-action.html and it doesnt cost your bile to sign it. I'm not going to sign it. I have this long standing belief that petition, especially online petition, doesn't work jack shit. If I sign it, that would be going against my belief. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:11 Flameling wrote: Lol, the only reason I quoted you on that was because you directed all the hate and abuse TOWARDS Chinese people. Well you have to take into account that this thread is VERY emotional, this is pure torture. I was very close to direct all my hate towards the chinese as well, then I took a step back and realized this shit happens everywhere. Hate never wins anyway. There is always something you can do, as long as you take it into the correct direction. I have no idea what that direction is now :/ | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:19 GuYuTe- wrote: How could you so easily draw the conclusion that the mother bear was cognizant of the situation and killed her cub and then herself b/c it understood what was happening? That's laughable. The bear was probably driven to insanity from being caged like that, and just killed the cub for no apparent reason and then ran itself into a wall. To automatically assume that this mother bear understood pain and suffering on some deep level is just preposterous based on what little facts there are about this story. Did you just describe how human makes suicide? Aren't we also driven to insanity when commiting suicide? Wouldn't you also commit suicide in that situation? What makes a person commit suicide? | ||
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KingofHearts
Japan562 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:20 kaisen wrote: I'm not going to sign it. I have this long standing belief that petition, especially online petition, doesn't work jack shit. If I sign it, that would be going against my belief. jackie chan is lending his face and voice in that petition.. he is well known and rich,, what do you have to lose? it doesnt cost money and it's fast to sign. | ||
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Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 16:20 crappen wrote: Well you have to take into account that this thread is VERY emotional, this is pure torture. I was very close to direct all my hate towards the chinese as well, then I took a step back and realized this shit happens everywhere. Hate never wins anyway. There is always something you can do, as long as you take it into the correct direction. I have no idea what that direction is now :/ Often times it's to simply realize that you can't do anything about it and go on with your life. If you're really moved to action on the subject of animal treatment, you can try to make a small positive difference where you can by buying locally and humanely raised meat, factory/cage-free eggs, etc. | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:16 iCanada wrote: There is a difference between raising cows in an open pasture with tons of food, water, and sex before killing them in old age for our own survival, and trapping bears in cages smaller than they are while doing surgery without anesthesia then letting the bear live in excruciating pain for the rest of its life. Hell, had this bear not been trapped in his cage he would be out there murdering other furry creatures for her own. Is this REALLY how you guys raise cows? Really? If so, Im impressed by Canada. | ||
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:22 KingofHearts wrote: jackie chan is lending his face and voice in that petition.. he is well known and rich,, what do you have to lose? it doesnt cost money and its fast to sign. How do you know that Jackie Chan is actually supporting this petition? What if the site is using Jackie Chan's picture to drive more people to sign the petition? PETA has done this thing in the past so I'm not buying this whole petition supported by Jackie Chan, unless I get a valid source that he actually is. | ||
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meegrean
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Eleaven
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. I know animal cruelty happens in tons of areas of agriculture, but it always just makes me fking sad. Wish all agriculture used humane practices, even though that's mostly an empty gesture too. 
