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On August 12 2011 15:34 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:32 Jojo131 wrote:On August 12 2011 15:29 Chrispy wrote:
Can anyone explain why in those photos there white people holding the dead bear and white people all around? It's a tad shady, but I'd hesitate to believe that it'd be Chinese news reporters spreading the news. Not to say that white people are always the good guys, but given how the government has a chokehold on everything, I dont think a story like this would fly without some foreign media getting involved. Well if it's authenticity is questionable, the next line is - who has an interest in rallying people against an imaginary atrocity?
Actually looking at the article more carefully it appears the photos are just intended to illustrate what bear farms are generally like, taken from an organization that has previously entered one. It doesn't claim this is the farm where the incident occurred.
So I don't really see any holes in the article, just don't have any other sources atm.
EDIT: man this thread is moving so fast, important link at bottom of last page
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On August 12 2011 15:33 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:24 x-Catalyst wrote:On August 12 2011 15:14 TheLOLas wrote:
1. Very sad story
2. It is terrible that this was ever practiced
3. I kind of doubt the legitimacy of this story. I mean how in the hell can a bear be able to understand the concept of putting its cub out of its misery. You'd be surprised the way a mother animal will act to protect her babies from potential harm or danger. A mother rabbit will kill her own babies rather then have a predator or other threat do so. There's a difference between a tangible threat (predator) and an intangible concept (lifetime of suffering.) The latter requires a level of brain function that's basically just unique to humans, as far as we know. Problem solving is one thing. Planning is another.
Ah, you do have a point there. But I'd still like to believe even if there's the basic concept of protection by death when danger's right in front of you, that the concept can go even farther if not just that instance.
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This is why I stopped giving a shit about earthquakes and tsunamis a long time ago.
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On August 12 2011 15:32 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:31 Slago wrote:
this makes me hate people, that's so horrible, how can people do this, I can't understand, we kill so many vital animals in our ecosystem and cause them so much pain and distress, people fin sharks than throw the writhing body in the ocean, they do this fucked up shit to bears, they hunt elephants for tusks, and although most of these practices are greatly reduced, things like shark finning are so prodominent still and it makes me sick, such regal beautiful important animals destroyed for no reason :'( There's reason. It's always money. Capitalism, materialism, greed, are evil things!!!
I guess you prefer the communist variety that has proven to work out so well?
Funny I work with someone who went from homeless to now buying a brand new car..and you cite capitalism? The system is fine, shitty people are your issue.
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<3 mama bear
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Sad event, amazing though that the mother bear thought of doing that in order to save the cub from having to suffer for life.
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Milking bears for their bile, foie gras and other practices that subject animals to an unnatural degree of continued suffering are all disgusting practices.
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That's pretty fucking fucked up.
How can you even "work" with these animals and completely not give a fuck. We're all so going to hell.
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Are there any other possible explanations for this?
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Really strange and sad story indeed. Wasn't really surprised that this happened in China..
People who does these things just disgusts me.
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This is some fucked up shit, what is wrong with the world? :/
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On August 12 2011 15:41 Jayson X wrote:
That's pretty fucking fucked up.
How can you even "work" with these animals and completely not give a fuck. We're all so going to hell.
The same way factory farmers can slaughter and gut hundreds of cows a day. At some point, you just stop caring and start thinking of it as business.
EDIT: Of course, this isn't to say that it's an absolutely disgusting practice, but this is only from our point of view.
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SAVE THE FLUFFY AND FURRY ANIMALS MAN!
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On August 12 2011 15:35 lizzard_warish wrote:
God I despise how humans have this apparently unending need to believe animals are just like us. Bears arent smart enough to understand concepts like euthanasia, its literally impossible for the bear to have done what was described with the intention of what was implied. Bears cant commit suicide, they dont murder bears or humans, they kill them. It's just meaningless actions brought about by instinct and learned behavior. The bear was driven mad and killed things around it > The bear has advanced concepts and a secular western sense of morality and the value of life, planned its escape blah blah blah
Seriously people. -_-
Horror and maternal protectiveness are not "secular western senses of morality".
I'm not sure the mother bear committed suicide either. It could more likely be that she was simply too enraged and grief-stricken to care about her own safety or understand what she was doing. I'll agree with you there.
Animals may not have "advanced concepts" as you put it, but they do have a central nervous system that works the same ways ours does. When we see our child get tortured, we don't "plan", we don't "conceptualize", we're reduced to our base feelings of pain. It is a natural instinct inherent in all animals, bears and humans alike.
I don't think anyone is arguing we offended the bear's "morality". To say the bear's actions are "meaningless", "brought about by instinct and learned behavior", the same could be said about people.
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Haha Empyrean shang huo right? My relatives said that all the time while I was in China this summer. And I think herbal and traditional remedies actually do work a lot of the time and have scientific reasoning behind them when analyzed closely. That said, I don't use them that much, but they are definitely not something to be discredited. In a thousand years people might call our medicines 'traditional' and useless, but does that mean they really are?
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The worst part is that the bear bile is totally worthless as a drug, of course.
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In this topic we have righteous westerners lamenting Chinese habits and superstitions? Give me a break, look to your god damned countries before acting "outraged". Better yet, spend a little of your wealth to help those organizations that actively campaign against animal cruelty, or maybe help a couple of starving children once in a while.
Yes, this is very sad and you will find similar criticism from the Chinese people living in the cities. However, there are many parts of China that have been left behind during the past 50 years, and a lot still cling to old beliefs because that's all they ever knew. That's reality, and unfortunately, there is not much you keyboard warriors can do about that.
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On August 12 2011 15:46 Superiorwolf wrote:Haha Empyrean shang huo right? My relatives said that all the time while I was in China this summer. And I think herbal and traditional remedies actually do work a lot of the time and have scientific reasoning behind them when analyzed closely. That said, I don't use them that much, but they are definitely not something to be discredited. In a thousand years people might call our medicines 'traditional' and useless, but does that mean they really are?
Yes, oh my goodness that concept is ridiculous.
As an aside, whenever I have a sore throat, I use an infusion of sterculia as a tisane to address it. It's incredibly effective and I have no idea why. I'm really hoping someone (...or an institution, hopefully) runs a study on its efficacy and identifies the effective ingredient so I can stop drinking tea and just take a fucking pill.
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On August 12 2011 15:47 MangoTango wrote:
The worst part is that the bear bile is totally worthless as a drug, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol
The FDA would beg to differ.
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This is true, I've seen many news reports. Its sickening.
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